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Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 07:53 PM
Inside the Mind of a Sociopath

This excerpt is from: "The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless vs. the Rest of Us" by Martha Stout Ph.D. (Broadway Books, New York, 2005, ISBN 0-7679-1581-X). Martha Stout is a clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School and elaborates on the tales of ruthlessness in everyday life based on her 25 years of practice as a specialist in the treatment of psychological trauma survivors.

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences, will most likely remain undiscovered.

How will you live your life? What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)? The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and non-violent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites.

Maybe you are someone who craves money and power, and though you have no vestige of conscience, you do have a magnificent IQ. You have the driving nature and the intellectual capacity to pursue tremendous wealth and influence, and you are in no way moved by the nagging voice of conscience that prevents other people from doing everything and anything they have to do to succeed. You choose business, politics, the law, banking or international development, or any of a broad array of other power professions, and you pursue your career with a cold passion that tolerates none of the usual moral or legal encumbrances. When it is expedient, you doctor the accounting and shred the evidence, you stab your employees and your clients (or your constituency) in the back, marry for money, tell lethal premeditated lies to people who trust you, attempt to ruin colleagues who are powerful or eloquent, and simply steamroll over groups who are dependent and voiceless. And all of this you do with the exquisite freedom that results from having no conscience whatsoever. You become unimaginably, unassailably, and maybe even globally successful. Why not? With your big brain, and no conscience to rein in your schemes, you can do anything at all.

Or no - let us say you are not quite such a person. You are ambitious, yes, and in the name of success you are willing to do all manner of things that people with conscience would never consider, but you are not an intellectually gifted individual. Your intelligence is above average perhaps, and people think of you as smart, maybe even very smart. But you know in your heart of hearts that you do not have the cognitive wherewithal, or the creativity, to reach the careening heights of power you secretly dreams about, and this makes you resentful of the world at large, and envious of the people around you.

As this sort of person, you ensconce yourself in a niche, or maybe a series of niches, in which you can have some amount of control over small numbers of people. These situations satisfy a little of your desire for power, although you are chronically aggravated at not having more. It chafes to be so free of the ridiculous inner voices that inhibit others from achieving great power, without having enough talent to pursue the ultimate successes yourself. Sometimes you fall into sulky, rageful moods caused by a frustration that no one but you understands.

But you do enjoy jobs that afford you a certain undersupervised control over a few individuals or small groups, preferably people and groups who are relatively helpless or in some way vulnerable. You are a teacher or a psychotherapist, a divorce lawyer or a high school coach. Or maybe you are a consultant of some kind, a broker or a gallery owner or a human services director. Or maybe you do not have a paid position and are instead the president of your condominium association, or a volunteer hospital worker, or a parent. Whatever your job, you manipulate and bully the people who are under your thumb, as often and as outrageously as you can without getting fired or held accountable. You do this for its own sake, even when it serves no purpose except to give you a thrill. Making people jump means you have power - or this is the way you see it - and bullying provides you with an adrenaline rush. It is fun.

Maybe you cannot be a CEO of a multinational corporation, but you can frighten a few people, or cause them to scurry around like chickens, or steal from them, or - maybe, best of all - create situations that cause them to feel bad about themselves. And this is power, especially when the people you manipulate are superior to you in some way. Most invigorating of all is to bring down people who are smarter or more accomplished than you, or perhaps classier, more attractive or popular or morally admirable. This is not only good fun; it is existential vengeance. And without a conscience, it is amazingly easy to do. You quietly lie to the boss or to the boss's boss, cry some crocodile tears, or sabotage a coworker's project, or gaslight a patient (or child), bait people with promises, or provide a little misinformation that will never be traced back to you.

Or now let us say you are a person who has a proclivity for violence or for seeing violence done. You simply murder your coworker, or have her murdered - or your boss, or your ex-spouse, or your wealthy lover's spouse, or anyone else who bothers you. You have to be careful, because if you slip up, you may be caught and punished by the system. But you will never be confronted by your conscience, because you have no conscience. If you decide to kill, the only difficulties will be the external ones. Nothing inside you will ever protest.

Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all. If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. In fact, terrorism (done from a distance) is the ideal occupation for a person who is possessed of blood lust and no conscience, because if you do it just right, you may be able to make a whole nation jump. And if that is not power, what is?

Or let us imagine the opposite extreme: You have no interest in power. To the contrary, you are the sort of person who really does not want much of anything. Your only real ambition is not to have to exert yourself to get by. You do not want to work like everyone else does. Without a conscience, you can nap or pursue your hobbies or watch television or just hang out somewhere all day long. Living a bit on the fringes, and with some handouts from relatives and friends, you can do this indefinitely. People may whisper to one another that you are an underachiever, or that you are depressed, a sad case, or, in contrast, if they get angry, they may grumble that you are lazy. When they get to know you better, and get really angry, they may scream at you and call you a loser, a bum. But it will never occur to them that you literally do not have a conscience, that in such a fundamental way, your very mind is not the same as theirs.

The panicked feeling of a guilty conscience never squeezes at your heart or wakes you in the night. Despite your lifestyle, you never feel irresponsible, neglectful or so much as embarrassed, although for the sake of appearances, sometimes you pretend that you do. For example, if you are a decent observer of people and what they react to, you may adopt a lifeless facial expression, say how ashamed of your life you are, and talk about how rotten you feel. This you do only because it is more convenient to have people think you are depressed than it is to have them shouting at you all the time, or insisting that you get a job.

You notice that people who do have a conscience feel guilty when they harangue someone they believe to be "depressed" or "troubled." As a matter of fact, to you further advantage, they often feel obliged to take care of such a person. If, despite your relative poverty, you can manage to get yourself into a sexual relationship with someone, this person - who does not suspect what you are really like - may feel particularly obligated. And since all you want is not to have to work, your financier does not have to be especially rich, just relatively conscience-bound.

I trust that imagining yourself as any of these people feels insane to you, because such people are insane, dangerously so. Insane but real - they even have a label. Many mental health professionals refer to the condition of little or no conscience as "anti-social personality disorder," a non-correctable disfigurement of character that is now thought to be present in about 4 percent of the population - that is to say, one in twenty-five people. This condition of missing conscience is called by other names, too, most often "sociopathy," or the somewhat more familiar term psychopathy. Guiltlessness was in fact the first personality disorder to be recognized by psychiatry, and terms that have been used at times over the past century include manie sans délire, psychopathic inferiority, moral insanity, and moral imbecility.

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AmericaFyeah92
07-24-2008, 09:18 PM
Inside the Mind of a Sociopath

[Or now let us say you are a person who has a proclivity for violence or for seeing violence done. You simply murder your coworker, or have her murdered - or your boss, or your ex-spouse, or your wealthy lover's spouse, or anyone else who bothers you. You have to be careful, because if you slip up, you may be caught and punished by the system. But you will never be confronted by your conscience, because you have no conscience. If you decide to kill, the only difficulties will be the external ones. Nothing inside you will ever protest.
Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all. If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. In fact, terrorism (done from a distance) is the ideal occupation for a person who is possessed of blood lust and no conscience, because if you do it just right, you may be able to make a whole nation jump. And if that is not power, what is?



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Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 09:20 PM
I first thought of the Clintons. ;)

Carole
07-24-2008, 09:44 PM
I can truly say that I have seen this sociopath condition in many, many people, especially some of our politicians. :D

slothman
07-24-2008, 09:47 PM
I first thought of the Clintons. ;)
I first thought of the Bushes.
I second thought of corporations.

Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice
07-24-2008, 09:49 PM
i think i've known a few in my time.
Very scary people.
They can seem completely normal and very convincing when pretending to be emotionally vulnerable.
The key to spotting one for sure is their intimate relationship history.

Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 09:50 PM
TPTB obviously. ;)

Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 09:52 PM
Kennedys? ;)

Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 09:57 PM
Huckabee?

Truth Warrior
07-24-2008, 10:02 PM
Cheer up folks. Only about ~12,320,000 of 'em out there in the USA? ;)

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 08:46 AM
bump

constituent
07-25-2008, 08:55 AM
I second thought of corporations.

lol, can a corporation be a sociopath?

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 11:06 AM
Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us (Paperback)
by Robert D. Hare (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510/ref=pd_sim_b_4

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 11:24 AM
Your post prompted me unlock my ammo cabinet and check my supply of Max slugs.

Ahhh...

My 12 gauge, is happy.

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 11:34 AM
Your post prompted me unlock my ammo cabinet and check my supply of Max slugs.

Ahhh...

My 12 gauge, is happy. If the estimate stats are near correct for the entire human population ~4% of the Aussies are sociopaths too. ;)

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 11:39 AM
If the estimate stats are near correct for the entire human population ~4% of the Aussies are sociopaths too. ;)

Only when necessary. :)

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 11:42 AM
Only when necessary. :) That's just what THEY all say. ;)

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 11:43 AM
That's just what THEY all say. ;)

Rip it up! :D

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Rip it up! :D THAT too, you're on a roll. :D

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 11:59 AM
THAT too, you're on a roll. :D

I am a product of wickedness. With a mortality rate of 100%.

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 01:47 PM
I am a product of wickedness. With a mortality rate of 100%.
Killed them all, huh?

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 02:05 PM
I accept that I am mortal, and 100% will die.

It gives me solace...

Being a natural born killer.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-25-2008, 02:38 PM
I can truly say that I have seen this sociopath condition in many, many people, especially some of our politicians. :D

Is this how you understood the . . . uhm . . . whatever it was, Carole? Could you please highlight the thesis statement for me? I generally begin at the thesis statement so that I can avoid reading any of the European political jargon that is often posted in here by European wannabe Americans.

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 02:43 PM
Is this how you understood the . . . uhm . . . whatever it was, Carole? Could you please highlight the thesis statement for me? I generally begin at the thesis statement so that I can avoid reading any of the European political jargon that is often posted in here by European wannabe Americans.

That's an interesting statement, considering America is the "melting pot" of the world.

You must be a indigenous American.

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Cherokee, Navajo, Apache, Hopi...

Which is it mastermind?

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 02:53 PM
Geez Uncle Emanuel...

I'm guessing one of your ancestors was a "wanabee" European.

Perry
07-25-2008, 03:40 PM
Inside the Mind of a Sociopath

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life (etc etc etc...)

Don't buy it. At least...not the majority of those people called sociopaths.
Now there definitely are individuals with physiological medical problems such as classic bipolar mania(which the majority of diagnosed patients don't actually have) however I don't believe that people like most serial killer and the lot are sociopaths. I believe that the large majority start out like the rest of us and allow themselves to remove conscience.
I would say this is true for 95% of those people classified as sociopaths.

Ozwest
07-25-2008, 04:17 PM
Humankind lives on a knifes edge.

Were thousands in Germany sociopaths? Bosnia, Iraq, Rwanda?

It's your mind you have to convince.

Truth Warrior
07-25-2008, 08:33 PM
Don't buy it. At least...not the majority of those people called sociopaths.
Now there definitely are individuals with physiological medical problems such as classic bipolar mania(which the majority of diagnosed patients don't actually have) however I don't believe that people like most serial killer and the lot are sociopaths. I believe that the large majority start out like the rest of us and allow themselves to remove conscience.
I would say this is true for 95% of those people classified as sociopaths.
So I guess that you are saying that the estimate of ~12,320,000 sociopaths is incorrect and that there are really only ~616,000 that have allowed themselves to remove conscience today in the USA. Is that about it? :)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath

Serial killers seem pretty antisocial to me. :D

AmericaFyeah92
07-25-2008, 08:51 PM
Don't buy it. At least...not the majority of those people called sociopaths.
Now there definitely are individuals with physiological medical problems such as classic bipolar mania(which the majority of diagnosed patients don't actually have) however I don't believe that people like most serial killer and the lot are sociopaths. I believe that the large majority start out like the rest of us and allow themselves to remove conscience.
I would say this is true for 95% of those people classified as sociopaths.

most of them do start out normal, and are turned into sociopaths. ur right that very few are actually born that way. But a developed sociopath and a born one are still both sociopaths

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-26-2008, 06:33 PM
That's an interesting statement, considering America is the "melting pot" of the world.

You must be a indigenous American.

I assume you are proud of the British culture and heritage that penalized your forefathers onto the Island wasteland that is Australia? Congratulations.
You tell me how the American political spectrum is different from the old Aristotilian one that the Europeans use. America is supposed to have a two party system which lends to moderate political system.
Read the novel "Remains of the Day" to see how American transcendentalism created a different master class in the United States than the ones in Europe.
Up till Ralph Waldo Emerson shined a light on the founding fathers, The Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, Americans acted like Europeans. When the nation erodes to tyranny, Americans lose their souls and act like primitive Europeans.

humanic
07-26-2008, 07:16 PM
lol, can a corporation be a sociopath?

That's the subject of this film (http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=312). You can watch it for free on Google Video (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+corporatin&sitesearch=#q=the%20corporation&sitesearch=&dur=3&start=20).

Truth Warrior
07-27-2008, 09:37 AM
bump

Perry
07-27-2008, 11:13 AM
So I guess that you are saying that the estimate of ~12,320,000 sociopaths is incorrect and that there are really only ~616,000 that have allowed themselves to remove conscience today in the USA. Is that about it? :)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath

Serial killers seem pretty antisocial to me. :D

Actually serial killers are at the top of my list for people that I believe started out normal. If you listen to many of them talk you can see that they do show remorse. It's something that must be worked at to be eliminated. Ted Bundy says that pornography made him what he was.
He had an addiction to porn that was carried into sadistic pornography and he let it run rampant. There is a certain power in evil and I believe anyone can let themselves become a part of that world. It was very easy for the nazis to find brutal murderers to help them run their regime.
In the beginning of the death camps Heinrich Himmler would get sick and vomit at the site of death yet he toughened himself quickly over time with discipline. I firmly believe that in most cases the removal of guilt is a conscious decision.

amy31416
07-27-2008, 11:34 AM
Actually serial killers are at the top of my list for people that I believe started out normal. If you listen to many of them talk you can see that they do show remorse. It's something that must be worked at to be eliminated. Ted Bundy says that pornography made him what he was.
He had an addiction to porn that was carried into sadistic pornography and he let it run rampant. There is a certain power in evil and I believe anyone can let themselves become a part of that world. It was very easy for the nazis to find brutal murderers to help them run their regime.
In the beginning of the death camps Heinrich Himmler would get sick and vomit at the site of death yet he toughened himself quickly over time with discipline. I firmly believe that in most cases the removal of guilt is a conscious decision.

What about those kids that have a natural affinity for torturing animals though? I think there's circumstantial (war), environmental (abuse) and genetic flavors of sociopathy. Imagine when you have one, two or all three of those factors.

Truth Warrior
07-27-2008, 11:49 AM
Actually serial killers are at the top of my list for people that I believe started out normal. If you listen to many of them talk you can see that they do show remorse. It's something that must be worked at to be eliminated. Ted Bundy says that pornography made him what he was.
He had an addiction to porn that was carried into sadistic pornography and he let it run rampant. There is a certain power in evil and I believe anyone can let themselves become a part of that world. It was very easy for the nazis to find brutal murderers to help them run their regime.
In the beginning of the death camps Heinrich Himmler would get sick and vomit at the site of death yet he toughened himself quickly over time with discipline. I firmly believe that in most cases the removal of guilt is a conscious decision. Their REMORSE is in getting caught.<IMHO> And a mere part of their CON, without conscience. They just ain't like the non-sociopath folks.

Wired so differently as to be almost another species altogether.<IMHO>

itsthepathocrats
01-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us (Paperback)
by Robert D. Hare (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510/ref=pd_sim_b_4


It is my understanding that Hare has determined the genealogical psychopathy can now be determined via an MRI examination.

While one may argue the 4% figure for genealogical psychopathy, it is clear that those who engineer society have successfully transferred ("ponerized") psychopathic behavioral traits on to normal humans. I argue that the percentage of humans who employ psychopathic traits and exhibit psychopathic behaviors is extremely high.

Truth Warrior
01-26-2009, 03:42 PM
It is my understanding that Hare has determined the genealogical psychopathy can now be determined via an MRI examination.

While one may argue the 4% figure for genealogical psychopathy, it is clear that those who engineer society have successfully transferred ("ponerized") psychopathic behavioral traits on to normal humans. I argue that the percentage of humans who employ psychopathic traits and exhibit psychopathic behaviors is extremely high. Given both of her parents, look out for Chelsea Clinton. :eek:

Sociopaths tend to be very persuasive. Hitler didn't do WWII, all on his own. Charles Manson is another classic case.

Politics Is a Sociopathic Cult (http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer96.html)

"The instinct to command others, in its primitive essence, is a carnivorous, altogether bestial and savage instinct. Under the influence of the mental development of man, it takes on a somewhat more ideal form and becomes somewhat ennobled, presenting itself as the instrument of reason and the devoted servant of that abstraction, or political fiction, which is called the public good. But in its essence it remains just as baneful, and it becomes even more so when, with the application of science, it extends its scope and intensifies the power of its action. If there is a devil in history, it is this power principle." -- Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin

heavenlyboy34
01-26-2009, 03:42 PM
My sister is like this. :eek:

"Or let us imagine the opposite extreme: You have no interest in power. To the contrary, you are the sort of person who really does not want much of anything. Your only real ambition is not to have to exert yourself to get by. You do not want to work like everyone else does. Without a conscience, you can nap or pursue your hobbies or watch television or just hang out somewhere all day long. Living a bit on the fringes, and with some handouts from relatives and friends, you can do this indefinitely. People may whisper to one another that you are an underachiever, or that you are depressed, a sad case, or, in contrast, if they get angry, they may grumble that you are lazy. When they get to know you better, and get really angry, they may scream at you and call you a loser, a bum. But it will never occur to them that you literally do not have a conscience, that in such a fundamental way, your very mind is not the same as theirs.

The panicked feeling of a guilty conscience never squeezes at your heart or wakes you in the night. Despite your lifestyle, you never feel irresponsible, neglectful or so much as embarrassed, although for the sake of appearances, sometimes you pretend that you do. For example, if you are a decent observer of people and what they react to, you may adopt a lifeless facial expression, say how ashamed of your life you are, and talk about how rotten you feel. This you do only because it is more convenient to have people think you are depressed than it is to have them shouting at you all the time, or insisting that you get a job.

You notice that people who do have a conscience feel guilty when they harangue someone they believe to be "depressed" or "troubled." As a matter of fact, to you further advantage, they often feel obliged to take care of such a person. If, despite your relative poverty, you can manage to get yourself into a sexual relationship with someone, this person - who does not suspect what you are really like - may feel particularly obligated. And since all you want is not to have to work, your financier does not have to be especially rich, just relatively conscience-bound."

heavenlyboy34
01-26-2009, 03:43 PM
Given both of her parents, look out for Chelsea Clinton. :eek:


:eek::eek::eek:

mconder
01-26-2009, 04:06 PM
In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all

It's interesting that the main event at the Bohemian grove is called "The Cremation of Care" and one of the lines from the ceremony is "mid-summer night sets us free." It's a ritual of a mock child sacrifice symbolizing the release of ones conscience from guilt. The ultimate association of the guiltless IMHO.

mconder
01-26-2009, 04:12 PM
How will you live your life? What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?

I think this can depend on whether your born to rags or riches. Some become common thugs and serial killers, while others receive Ivy League educations and go on to commit the greatest crimes in this world.

Original_Intent
01-26-2009, 04:24 PM
I first thought of Hill and Bill Clinton.

Then I thought of myself I am ashamed to admit. Not that I am that way all or even most of the time, but I have certainly had some episodes of extreme indifference to anyone else. My conscience does eventually catch up to me and make me feel terrible, but I honestly have been thru experiences where I could relate to some of those personalities in the OP. Tending toward laziness and wanting to be taken care of, and there was one unique circumstance 25+ years ago when I intentionally hurt loved ones (psychologically, not physically) and i was so detached from the situation that I almost felt like an outside observer.

Scary stuff.

t0rnado
01-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Conscience is a man made concept and it's subjective. PETA will say you're immoral and have no conscience if you eat meat, lunatic priests will say you have no conscience if you burn a Bible, and the list goes on.

Someone who repeatedly violates the rights of others is a sociopath in my opinion. I figure that's the libertarian view as well.

Truth Warrior
01-26-2009, 06:03 PM
Politics Is a Sociopathic Cult (http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer96.html)

steve005
01-26-2009, 11:20 PM
I watched myself(from above) beat someone up who sucker punched me in junior high

Grimnir Wotansvolk
01-26-2009, 11:22 PM
http://www.prisonexp.org/


Our planned two-week investigation into the psychology of prison life had to be ended prematurely after only six days because of what the situation was doing to the college students who participated. In only a few days, our guards became sadistic and our prisoners became depressed and showed signs of extreme stress.

http://www.takepart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/lucifer.jpg

Chosen
01-27-2009, 12:29 AM
I wonder if Obama is a sociopath or a malignant narcissist? Or possibly both. To me he exhibits the actor/chameleon traits of a full fledged sociopath, but he is very narcissistic.

He has the same parental configuration as Stalin, Hitler, Saddam and Bill Clinton.

Truth Warrior
01-27-2009, 05:52 AM
I wonder if Obama is a sociopath or a malignant narcissist? Or possibly both. To me he exhibits the actor/chameleon traits of a full fledged sociopath, but he is very narcissistic.

He has the same parental configuration as Stalin, Hitler, Saddam and Bill Clinton. Stay tuned. Time will tell. Given Amerika's election track record, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL. ;)

Add in his CFR Director wife, and it may just be "NWO PARTY TIME". :eek: :rolleyes: