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libertythor
07-24-2008, 01:48 PM
Its on the front page!

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_Promises_to_Continue_US_Warmongering_in_Berl in_Speech

speciallyblend
07-24-2008, 02:03 PM
sorry cannot digg this since it would help mccain and i cannot help mccain in any way. I will be encouraging democrats to vote;) lets digg mccain crap not obama junk

Andrew-Austin
07-24-2008, 02:03 PM
sorry cannot digg this since it would help mccain and i cannot help mccain in any way. I will be encouraging democrats to vote;) lets digg mccain crap not obama junk

How pointless.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:05 PM
sorry cannot digg this since it would help mccain and i cannot help mccain in any way. I will be encouraging democrats to vote;) lets digg mccain crap not obama junk


Trust me. I will be submitting McCain dirt real soon. :) I am all for bashing both using the same angles. That way 3rd party candidates start to look more attractive.

I do respect your decision though and promise that a good anti-mccain one is in the works.

OhioMichael
07-24-2008, 02:14 PM
dugg

brandon
07-24-2008, 02:18 PM
dugg

libertarian4321
07-24-2008, 02:20 PM
Be sure to add your comments.



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I disagree with Obama politically.

I disagree with McCain and DESPISE him on a personal level because of the way he has treated Ron Paul and Ron Paul's supporters.

I won't do anything that will help McCain.

Frankly, I wouldn't piss on McCain if he was on fire...

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:22 PM
I disagree with Obama politically.

I disagree with McCain and DESPISE him on a personal level because of the way he has treated Ron Paul and Ron Paul's supporters.

I won't do anything that will help McCain.

Frankly, I wouldn't piss on McCain if he was on fire...

I understand. You will enjoy the anti-McCain submission that will be coming out tomorrow or the day after. :)

Kade
07-24-2008, 02:23 PM
I didn't get that impression from reading the transcript.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:25 PM
I didn't get that impression from reading the transcript.

"The Afghan people need our troops and your troops; our support and your support to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, to develop their economy, and to help them rebuild their nation. We have too much at stake to turn back now."


It sounds like a Bush speech on Iraq.

mport1
07-24-2008, 02:25 PM
dugg

Kludge
07-24-2008, 02:26 PM
We will be greeted as liberators!

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:28 PM
we will be greeted as liberators!

lmao

Kade
07-24-2008, 02:30 PM
"The Afghan people need our troops and your troops; our support and your support to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, to develop their economy, and to help them rebuild their nation. We have too much at stake to turn back now."


It sounds like a Bush speech on Iraq.

You must not have really been paying attention.

I don't see a lie embedded in his speech. I don't agree with it, but it is not the same. Don't even pretend to go there.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:34 PM
You must not have really been paying attention.

I don't see a lie embedded in his speech. I don't agree with it, but it is not the same. Don't even pretend to go there.

Did I say lie? He uses the same euphemisms as Bush does.
In the Cold War, freedom defeated the ideology of communism and led to a democratic movement that freed the nations of Eastern and Central Europe from Soviet domination. And today these nations are allies in the war on terror.




As we fight the terrorists, we're working to build capable and effective Iraqi security forces, so they can take the lead in the fight and eventually take responsibility for the safety and security of their citizens without major foreign assistance.

BUSH: And on the economic side, we're helping the Iraqis rebuild their infrastructure, reform their economy and build the prosperity that will give all Iraqis a stake in a free and peaceful Iraq.

In doing all this, we've involved the United Nations, other international organizations, our coalition partners and supportive regional states in helping Iraqis build their future.

In the days ahead, I'll be discussing the various pillars of our strategy in Iraq. Today I want to speak in depth about one aspect of this strategy that will be critical to the victory in Iraq, and that's the training of Iraq security forces.

To defeat the terrorists and marginalize the Saddamists and rejectionists, Iraqis need strong military and police forces.

Iraqi troops bring knowledge and capabilities to the fight that coalition forces cannot. Iraqis know their people, they know their language and they know their culture, and they know who the terrorists are.

BUSH: Iraqi forces are earning the trust of their countrymen who are willing to help them in the fight against the enemy. As the Iraqi forces grow in number, they're helping to keep a better hold on the cities taken from the enemy. And as Iraqi forces grow more capable, they're increasingly taking the lead in the fight against the terrorists.

Our goal is to train enough Iraqi forces so they can carry the fight. And this will take time and patience.

And it's worth the time and it's worth the effort, because Iraqis and Americans share a common enemy. And when that enemy is defeated in Iraq, Americans will be safer here at home.

(APPLAUSE)

The training of the Iraqi forces is an enormous task and it always hadn't gone smoothly. We all remember the reports of some Iraqi security forces running from a fight more than a year ago. Yet in the past year, Iraqi forces have made real progress.

At this time last year there were only a handful of Iraqi battalions ready for combat. Now there are over 120 Iraqi army and police combat battalions in the fight against the terrorists, typically comprised of between 350 and 800 Iraqi forces.

Of these, about 80 Iraqi battalions are fighting side by side with coalition forces, and about 40 others are taking the lead in the fight. Most of these 40 battalions are controlling their own battlespace, conducting their own operations against the terrorists with some coalition support, and they're helping to turn the tide of the struggle in freedom's favor.

BUSH: America and our troops are proud to stand side by side with these brave Iraqi fighters.

(APPLAUSE)

The progress of the Iraqi forces is especially clear when the recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal Afar are compared with last year's assault in Fallujah.

In Fallujah, the assault was led by nine coalition battalions, made up primarily of United States Marines and Army, with six Iraqi battalions supporting them.

The Iraqis fought and sustained casualties, yet in most situations the Iraqi role was limited to protecting the flanks of coalition forces and securing ground that had already been cleared out by our troops.

This year in Tal Afar it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces, 11 Iraqi battalions backed by five coalition battalions providing support.

Many Iraqi units conducted their own anti-terrorist operations and controlled their own battlespace, hunting for enemy fighters and securing neighborhoods, block by block.

To consolidate their military success, Iraqi units stayed behind to help maintain law and order. And reconstruction projects have been started to improve infrastructure and create jobs and provide hope.

BUSH: One of the Iraqi soldiers who fought in Tal Afar was a private named Tariq Hasam (ph). This brave Iraqi fighter says, quote, "We're not afraid. We're here to protect our country. All we feel is motivated to kill the terrorists," end quote.

Iraqi forces not only cleared the city, they held it. And because of the skill and courage of the Iraqi forces, the citizens of Tal Afar were able to vote in October's constitutional referendum.

As Iraqi forces increasingly take the lead in the fight against the terrorists, they're also taking control of more and more Iraqi territory.

At this moment, over 30 Iraqi army battalions have assumed primary control of their own areas of responsibility.

In Baghdad, Iraqi battalions have taken over major sectors of the capital, including some of the city's toughest neighborhoods.

Last year, the area around Baghdad's Haifa Street was so thick with terrorists it had earned the nickname Purple Heart Boulevard. Then Iraqi forces took responsibility for this dangerous neighborhood, and attacks are now down.

Our coalition has handed over roughly 90 square miles of Baghdad province to Iraqi security forces. Iraqi battalions have taken over responsibility for areas in south-central Iraq, sectors of southeast Iraq, sectors of western Iraq, and sectors of north-central Iraq.

As Iraqi forces take responsibility for more of their own territory, coalition forces can concentrate on training Iraqis and hunting down high-value targets, like the terrorists Zarqawi and his associates.

We're also transferring forward operating bases to Iraqi control. Over a dozen bases in Iraq have been handed over to the Iraqi government, including Saddam Hussein's former palace in Tikrit, which has served as the coalition headquarters in one of Iraq's most dangerous regions.

BUSH: From many of these bases, the Iraqi security forces are planning and executing operations against the terrorists and bringing security and pride to the Iraqi people.

Progress by the Iraqi security forces has come in part because we learned from our early experiences and made changes in the way we helped train Iraqi troops.

When our coalition first arrived, we began the progress of creating an Iraqi army to defend the country from external threats, and an Iraqi civil defense corps to help provide the security within Iraq's borders.

The civil defense forces did not have sufficient firepower or training. They proved to be no match for an enemy armed with machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars. So the approach was adjusted.

Working with Iraq's leaders, we moved the civil defense forces into the Iraqi army. We changed the way they're trained and equipped. And we focused the army's mission on defeating those fighting against a free Iraq, whether internal or external.

Now all Iraqi army recruits receive about the same length of basic training as new recruits in the U.S. Army: a five-week core course followed by an additional three to seven weeks of specialized training.

With coalition help, Iraqis have established schools for their Iraqi military services: an Iraqi military academy, a noncommissioned officer academy, a military police school, a bomb disposal school, and NATO has established an Iraqi joint staff college.

There's also an increased focus on leadership training, with professional development courses for Iraqi squad leaders and platoon sergeants and warrant officers and sergeants major.

A new generation of Iraqi officers is being trained: leaders who will lead their forces with skill, so they can defeat the terrorists and secure their own freedom.

BUSH: Similar changes have taken place in the training of the Iraqi police. When our coalition first arrived, Iraqi police recruits spent too much time of their training in classroom lectures and they received limited training in the use of small arms.

This did not adequately prepare them for the fight they would face. And so we changed the way the Iraqi police are trained.

Now police recruits spend more of their time outside the classroom, with intensive hands-on training in anti-terrorism operations and real-world survival skills.

Iraq has now six basic police academies and one in Jordan that together produce over 3,500 new police officers every 10 weeks.

The Baghdad police academy has simulation models where Iraqis train to stop IED attacks and operate roadblocks. And because Iraqi police are not just facing common criminals, they're getting live-fire training with AK-47s.

As more and more skilled Iraqi security forces have come on-line, there's been another important change in the way new Iraqi recruits are trained.

When the training effort began, nearly all the trainers came from coalition countries. Today, the vast majority of Iraqi police and army recruits are being taught by Iraqi instructors.

By training the trainers, we're helping Iraqis create an institutional capability that will allow the Iraqi forces to continue to develop and grow long after coalition forces have left Iraq.

BUSH: As the training has improved, so has the quality of the recruits being trained.

Even though the terrorists are targeting Iraqi police and army recruits, there is no shortage of Iraqis who are willing to risk their lives to secure the future of a free Iraq.

The efforts to include more Sunnis in the future of Iraq were giving a significant boost earlier this year. More than 60 influential Sunni clerics issued a fatwa calling on young Sunnis to join the Iraqi security forces, quote, "for the sake of preserving the souls, property and honor of the Iraqi people."

These religious leaders are helping to make the Iraqi security forces a truly national institution, one that is able to serve, protect and defend all the Iraqi people.

Some critics dismiss this progress and point to the fact that only one Iraqi battalion has achieved complete independence from the coalition.

To achieve complete independence, an Iraqi battalion must do more than fight the enemy on its own. It must also have the ability to provide its own support elements, including logistics, airlift, intelligence, and command and control through their ministries.

Not every Iraqi unit has to meet this level of capability in order for the Iraqi security forces to take the lead in the fight against the enemy.

BUSH: As a matter of fact, there are some battalions from NATO militaries that would not be able to meet this standard.

The facts are that Iraqi units are growing more independent and more capable. They are defending their new democracy with courage and determination. They're in the fight today and they will be in the fight for freedom tomorrow.

(APPLAUSE)

We're also helping Iraqis build the institutions they need to support their own forces.

For example, a national depot has been established north of Baghdad that is responsibility for supplying the logistical needs of the 10 divisions of the Iraqi army.

Regional support units and base support units have been created across the country with the mission of supplying their own war- fighters.

Iraqis now have a small air force that recently conducted its first combat airlift operations, bringing Iraqi troops to the front in Tal Afar.

The new Iraqi navy is now helping to protect the vital ports of Basra and Umm Qasr.

An Iraqi military intelligence school has been established to produce skilled Iraqi intelligence analysts and collectors.

By taking all these steps, we're helping the Iraqi security forces become self-supporting so they can take the fight to the enemy and so they can sustain themselves in the fight.

Over the past two and a half years, we've faced some setbacks in standing up a capable Iraqi security force and their performance is still uneven in some areas. Yet many of those forces have made real gains over the past year and Iraqi soldiers take pride in their progress.

BUSH: An Iraqi first lieutenant named Shokut (ph) describes the transformation of his unit this way: "I really think we've turned the corner here. At first, the whole country didn't take us seriously. Now things are different. Our guys are hungry to demonstrate their skill and to show the world."

Our troops in Iraq see the gains that Iraqis are making. Lieutenant Colonel Todd Wooder (ph), Richmond Hill, Georgia, is training Iraqi forces forces in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit. He says this about Iraqi units he's working with: "They're pretty much ready to go it on their own. What they're doing now would have been impossible a year ago. These guys are patriots, willing to go out knowing the insurgents would like nothing better than to kill them and their families. They're getting better and they'll keep getting better."

Our commanders on the ground see the gains the Iraqis are making. General Marty Dempsey is the commander of the Multinational Security Transition Command. Here's what he says about the transformation of the Iraqi security forces: "It's beyond description. They're far better equipped, far better trained than they once were.

"The Iraqis," General Dempsey says, "are increasingly in control of their future and their own security. The Iraqi security forces are regaining control of the country."

As the Iraqi security forces stand up, their confidence is growing. And they're taking on tougher and more important missions on their own.

As the Iraqi security forces stand up, the confidence of the Iraqi people is growing, and Iraqis are providing the vital intelligence needed to track down the terrorists.

And as the Iraqi security forces stand up, coalition forces can stand down. And when our mission of defeating the terrorists in Iraq is complete, our troops will return home to a proud nation.

(APPLAUSE)

BUSH: This is a goal our Iraqi allies share. An Iraqi army sergeant named Abbas Abdul Jabbar (ph) puts it this way: "We have to help the coalition forces as much as we can to give them the chance to go home. These guys have been helping us; now we have to protect our own families."

America will help the Iraqis so they can protect their families and secure their free nation. We will stay as long as necessary to complete the mission.

If our military leaders tell me we need more troops, I will send them. For example, we've increased our force levels in Iraq to 160,000, up from 137,000, in preparation for the December elections.

My commanders tell me that as Iraqi forces become more capable the mission of our forces in Iraq will continue to change.

We will continue to shift from providing security and conducting operations against the enemy nationwide to conducting more specialized operations targeted at the most dangerous terrorists.

We will increasingly move out of Iraqi cities, reduce the number of bases from which we operate and conduct fewer patrols and convoys.

As the Iraqi forces gain experience and the political progress advances, we will be able to decrease our troop levels in Iraq without losing our capability to defeat the terrorists.

BUSH: These decisions about troop levels will be driven by the conditions on the ground in Iraq and the good judgment of our commanders, not by artificial timetables set by politicians in Washington.

(APPLAUSE)

Some are calling for a deadline for withdrawal. Many advocating an artificial timetable for withdrawing our troops are sincere, but I believe they're sincerely wrong.

Pulling our troops out before they've achieved their purpose is not a plan for victory. As Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman said recently, "Setting an artificial timetable would discourage our troops because it seems to be heading for the door. It will encourage the terrorists. It will confuse the Iraqi people."

Senator Lieberman is right: Setting an artificial deadline to withdraw would send a message across the world that America is weak and an unreliable ally.

Setting an artificial deadline to withdraw would send a signal to our enemies that if they wait long enough, America will cut and run and abandon its friends.

And setting an artificial deadline to withdraw would vindicate the terrorist tactics of beheadings and suicide bombings and mass murder and invite new attacks on America.

To all who wear the uniform, I make you this pledge: America will not run in the face of car bombers and assassins so long as I am your commander in chief.

(APPLAUSE)

BUSH: As we train Iraqis to take more responsibility in the battle with the terrorists, we're also helping them build a democracy that is worthy of their sacrifice.

And in just over two and a half years, the Iraqi people have made incredible progress on the road to lasting freedom. Iraqis have gone from living under the boot of a brutal tyrant to liberation, free elections and a democratic constitution, and in 15 days they will go to the polls to elect a fully constitutional government that will lead them for the next four years.

With each ballot cast. the Iraqi people have sent a clear message to the terrorists: Iraqis will not be intimidated. The Iraqi people will determine the destiny of their country. The future of Iraq belongs to freedom.

Despite the costs, the pain and the danger, Iraqis are showing courage. And are moving forward to build a free society and a lasting democracy in the heart of the Middle East. And the United States of America will help them succeed.

(APPLAUSE)

Some critics continue to assert that we have no plan in Iraq except to, quote, "Stay the course."

BUSH: If by "Stay the course," they mean, "We will not allow the terrorists to break our will," they're right.

If by "Stay the course," they mean, "We will not permit Al Qaida to turn Iraq into what Afghanistan was under the Taliban, a safe haven for terrorism and a launching pad for attacks on America," they're right, as well.

If by "Stay the course," they mean that we're not learning from our experiences or adjusting our tactics to meet the challenges on the ground, then they're flat wrong.

As our top commander in Iraq, General Casey, has said, "Our commanders on the ground are continuously adapting and adjusting, not only to what the enemy does, but also to try to outthink the enemy and get ahead of him."

Our strategy in Iraq is clear. Our tactics are flexible and dynamic. We have changed them as conditions required and they are bringing us victory against a brutal enemy.

(APPLAUSE)

Victory in Iraq will demand the continued determination and resolve of the American people. It will also demand the strength and personal courage of the men and women who wear our nation's uniform.

And as the future officers of the United States Navy and Marine Corps, you're preparing to join this fight. You do so at a time when there is a vigorous debate about the war in Iraq.

I know that, for our men and women in uniform, this debate can be unsettling. When you're risking your life to accomplish a mission, the last thing you want to hear is that mission being questioned in our nation's capital.

BUSH: I want you to know that, while there may be a lot of heated rhetoric in Washington, D.C., one thing is not in dispute: The American people stand behind you.

And we should not fear the debate in Washington. It's one of the great strengths of our democracy that we can discuss our differences openly and honestly, even at times of war.

Your service makes that freedom possible. And today, because of the men and women in our military, people are expressing their opinions freely in the streets of Baghdad as well.

Most Americans want two things in Iraq: They want to see our troops win and they want to see our troops come home as soon as possible. And those are my goals as well. I will settle for nothing less than complete victory.

In World War II, victory came when the empire of Japan surrendered on the deck of the USS Missouri.

In Iraq, there will not be a signing ceremony on the deck of a battleship. Victory will come when the terrorists and Saddamists can no longer threaten Iraq's democracy, when the Iraqi security forces can provide for the safety of their own citizens, and when Iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists to plot new attacks on our nation.

As we make progress toward victory, Iraqis will take more responsibility for their security and fewer U.S. forces will be needed to complete the mission.

America will not abandon Iraq. We will not turn that country over to the terrorists and put the American people at risk. Iraq will be a free nation and a strong ally in the Middle East. And this will add to the security of the American people.

In the short run, we're going to bring justice to our enemies. In the long run, the best way to ensure the security of our own citizens is to spread the hope of freedom across the broader Middle East.

BUSH: We've seen freedom conquer evil and secure the peace before.

In World War II, free nations came together to fight the ideology of fascism and freedom prevailed. And today, Germany and Japan are democracies and they are allies in securing the peace.

In the Cold War, freedom defeated the ideology of communism and led to a democratic movement that freed the nations of Eastern and Central Europe from Soviet domination. And today these nations are allies in the war on terror.

Today in the Middle East, freedom is once again contending with an ideology that seeks to sow anger and hatred and despair.

And like fascism and communism before, the hateful ideologies that use terror will be defeated by the unstoppable power of freedom. And as democracy spreads in the Middle East, these countries will become allies in the cause of peace.

Kade
07-24-2008, 02:41 PM
Did I say lie?

Again, Bush lied in his speeches, and misled the American public. Obama does not appear to be bending truths. There is a difference. We should at least appreciate transparency. Quit acting offended.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:46 PM
Again, Bush lied in his speeches, and misled the American public. Obama does not appear to be bending truths. There is a difference. We should at least appreciate transparency. Quit acting offended.

He has been bending his platform quiet a bit, but do note that I don't call him a liar anywhere in the Digg submission.

Kade
07-24-2008, 02:48 PM
He has been bending his platform quiet a bit, but do note that I don't call him a liar anywhere in the Digg submission.

You compared him to Bush, which is in effect, calling him a liar.

Knut Schreiber
07-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Obamafest on all channels here. It's really annoying.

Kade
07-24-2008, 02:54 PM
Obamafest on all channels here. It's really annoying.

There is always ESPN.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 02:55 PM
You compared him to Bush, which is in effect, calling him a liar.

Well, it was more on his interventionism. Yeah Obama isn't lying about it.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
The bury brigade has gotten wind of it. Please shout this out to your buddy lists.

Kade
07-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Watch this. =P

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:24 PM
Watch this. =P

I guess you are undusting the bury hammer.... LOL

Kade
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I guess you are undusting the bury hammer.... LOL

Oh no. I don't have an account on DIGG.

I posted it in my forum with no real explanation. It's a social experiment really... we'll see what they do.. if anything.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:27 PM
Oh no. I don't have an account on DIGG.

I posted it in my forum with no real explanation. It's a social experiment really... we'll see what they do.. if anything.

What is the link to your forum?

Kade
07-24-2008, 03:33 PM
What is the link to your forum?

Lol.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:35 PM
Lol.

Don't tell me that its an Obama forum. j/k

brandon
07-24-2008, 03:40 PM
How can you tell when someone buries an article?

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:40 PM
How can you tell when someone buries an article?

http://www.ajaxonomy.com/buryrecorder/

brandon
07-24-2008, 03:44 PM
http://www.ajaxonomy.com/buryrecorder/

thanks

libertythor
07-24-2008, 03:49 PM
thanks

No problem.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 04:25 PM
67 diggs!

Kim4Paul
07-24-2008, 04:29 PM
Dugg.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 04:45 PM
75 diggs

libertythor
07-24-2008, 05:03 PM
This is now on the hot list for 2008 US Elections with 85 diggs.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 05:25 PM
It is off of the hotlist but hasn't been buried yet. Keep pushing to get this on the front page. Last reply until this evening.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 07:09 PM
It is back on the hotlist!

libertythor
07-24-2008, 07:50 PM
113 Diggs!

libertythor
07-24-2008, 08:51 PM
bump The onetime brigade is hitting the comments hard.

libertythor
07-24-2008, 10:27 PM
Its on the front page!

Kade
07-25-2008, 09:07 AM
My posting this had the exact opposite effect that I had expected... I must emphasize that I did not entirely intend to sink it originally, I was more curious at how my forum would react...

I think it was a trust thing.

Andrew-Austin
07-25-2008, 09:25 AM
After I posted the article on my forum, to my surprise, they actually digged it...

Haha whoops, nevermind my comment..