Medved's at it again at Townhall.com

[wgadget]

This guy really needs to be told that Ron Paul is NOT a yipping puppy!

There is a comments section after the article:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2007/08/29/the_worst_gop_field_ever--or_the_best?page=full&comments=true

[constituent]

f* medved and all the wankers at townhall....

if they have some snivelling little drip like medved payed to make submissions then they are completely wanker and irrelevant (outside of their little dipshit community).


don't sweat the small stuff (or even the petty, small 'meme's in the repug party)

[LibertyEagle]

f* medved and all the wankers at townhall....

if they have some snivelling little drip like medved payed to make submissions then they are completely wanker and irrelevant (outside of their little dipshit community).


don't sweat the small stuff (or even the petty, small 'meme's in the repug party)

You mean like the Republican Party whose nomination we are seeking? Is that what you mean?

Ignore them at our own peril.

BTW, Constituent... Townhall is the #1 Republican website.

[constituent]

for now. just wait... people are changing their registration left and right (i've taken several folks to do just that) from dem to repug...

parties are not fixed entities...

partisans are.

But the partisans voted for Sen(~)or Bush twice... they'll not be voting for RP in the primaries (not in the numbers we need them too.... not for the effort one would have to expend to convince them Freddie and Mitt-Witt aren't their guy).

it is relatively easier however, to convince your friends/families/and neighbors of RP's many merits, give them a week or two to kick it over... and then offer to ride w/ them to the DMV.

and none of them care what a weasel like Medved have to say.... i'd never heard of him until yesterday... despite the great ring his name has to it! LOL!

[LibertyEagle]

for now. just wait...

It's great what you said, but I disagree we wait to spend 5 little minutes and go over to that article and put an intelligent comment under the article, showing those who read it, that Medved is wrong in his argument. I said, "intelligent", not cursing him out. The comments are not for Medved, they are for all those others who read his column and then the comments. We want them to consider what we wrote in making their determinations.

[constituent]

sorry: pm material.

[Dustancostine]

Const.

If that is your attitude then we will lose. Plain and simple. We can get the Republican base to vote for Ron Paul. I am the Republican Precinct Chair for my precinct and am a RP supporter. So is our County Republican Chairman.

I don't care how many people you get to switch, 80%-90% of people that go to the polls on primary day are going to be normal everyday Republicans that normally vote in the primary. If you ignore them or put them at a distance then we will lose. If you don't understand that, then you are dislusional.

--Dustan

[constituent]

Const.

If that is your attitude then we will lose. Plain and simple. We can get the Republican base to vote for Ron Paul. I am the Republican Precinct Chair for my precinct and am a RP supporter. So is our County Republican Chairman.

I don't care how many people you get to switch, 80%-90% of people that go to the polls on primary day are going to be normal everyday Republicans that normally vote in the primary. If you ignore them or put them at a distance then we will lose. If you don't understand that, then you are dislusional.

--Dustan

then i am dillusional? i'll pardon your arrogance in advance (jerk).

Also, you've essentially made my point. No one online at townhall.com is going to be convinced of much of anything... they have too much invested (monetarily, socially, and emotionally) to back off of what little faction they're pushing. I've attended a few political functions in the past and found 90% of the people to be absolute social parasites. Logic is not the concern... unless maintaining the party's power is the logic (in which case, no thanx... i've had enough of the reich already).

That worries me. Think about the democratic party hacks that still run that party. You see how effectively they crush dissent within their own party... why would it ever be any different w/ the repugs?

Just as a word of caution to anyone attending a political function (particularly on the local level) prepare to feel really isolated.

[LibertyEagle]

Constituent,

This is what you don't seem to understand. There are a LOT of people who read the articles/comments on Townhall. It is the number one Republican news source on the internet. A lot of these people do not make comments. It is primarily those people for whom we are making the comments.

It sounds to me what Dustan was saying is that we should not ignore Republicans. That is, if we expect to win the Republican Party nomination. He's right. I've seen people on the forum here who seem to think we can insult them, or flat out ignore them and still win. That IS delusional, not to mention, stupid. Republicans are not some kind of 3 headed monster. They are everyday people. Store owners, small business owners, students, employees and everything in between. Many are disillusioned with Bush, but sure don't want to vote for a leftist in the Democrat party. Many have never even heard of Ron Paul, still to this day and those who have, have only heard the negative spin put out there by people like Medved. It is these people we need to get to, and in a professional manner.

We have to embrace Republicans, or we will lose. It's as simple as that.

[Dustancostine]

We have to embrace Republicans, or we will lose. It's as simple as that.

Exactly, It is not the Hannitys, or Medved's we have to convince, it is the people that listen to them. They are everyday people. To ignore them is not a winning strategy.

Sorry Const. if you think I am being a jerk. I am just being truthful. If you think we can win the Republican nomination without the support of Republicans then you are dislusional.

Do you understand that Ron Paul only got 500,000 votes when he ran as a libertarian, and that is not even enough to win the Texas GOP Primary?

Do you understand that no matter how many people "convert" to the GOP party for this primary, it is still going to be 80%-90% Republican base that votes?

I know it may be distasteful to you, but you need to start talking to, calling, mailing the GOP in your area if you want to win.

If we don't target Republicans we can forget it.

--Dustan

[Dustancostine]

Just as a word of caution to anyone attending a political function (particularly on the local level) prepare to feel really isolated.

Then apparently you forgot to read about the Maryland event. They have been getting along great with the Maryland GOP. Or the Greenville, SC, they actually got the party to change the platform. Actually everyone seems to be getting along pretty good.

So maybe the reason you are isolated is you and not your political stance.

In my meetups we have a lot of Republicans, what you would consider the base, actually we are the majority in our groups. In my groups we have: Precint Chairs, a County Chair, former state delegates, the President of a local Young Republican Orgn, the former President of that same organization, an officer of the College Republicans, and a conservative Russian Orthodox Preist.

--Dustan

[Bossobass]

for now. just wait... people are changing their registration left and right (i've taken several folks to do just that) from dem to repug...

parties are not fixed entities...

partisans are.

But the partisans voted for Sen(~)or Bush twice... they'll not be voting for RP in the primaries (not in the numbers we need them too.... not for the effort one would have to expend to convince them Freddie and Mitt-Witt aren't their guy).

it is relatively easier however, to convince your friends/families/and neighbors of RP's many merits, give them a week or two to kick it over... and then offer to ride w/ them to the DMV.

and none of them care what a weasel like Medved have to say.... i'd never heard of him until yesterday... despite the great ring his name has to it! LOL!

I agree with this. It's been my point since day one.

There are 100 million apathetic non-registered, non-voters in this country, and those are the ones I'm interested in introducing to Ron Paul for POTUS.

Tap into that demobraphic and the election is assured.

That's not to say that defending RP's platform to those who would twist it into a senseless pretzel is a wasted effort, but I spend a whole lot less time trying to call Rush Limbaugh (a metaphor) than I do in spreading the good news to those who believe they can't change anything because all politicians are the same.

Bosso

[jj111]

Post a comment on Townhall - both on Medved's piece, as well as the piece(s) on Huckabee and other Presidential candidates.

[SeanEdwards]

We have to embrace Republicans, or we will lose. It's as simple as that.

You might be right, but let me ask you something. Did the neocons embrace the Goldwater/libertarian republicans? I don't think so. I think at most the current crop of GOP leaders made placating noises to the small government conservatives, while actually following a radically socialist policy.

Paul is leading the fight to recapture the GOP from the neocon socialists who currently hold it. Just as many small government conservatives were forced out of the GOP by the neocons, a successful Paul campaign will ultimately drive the neocons out of the party, or at least into the shadows where libertarian republicans have had to dwell for so many years.

I don't particularly care about converting or co-opting the message of the neocon warmongers. I'm quite content to see them follow their failed ideology into political irrelevance.

In any case, it's not really up to us. Paul is who he is, and he clearly isn't going to modulate his message to woo the statist warmongers, and that's one of the most appealing things about the man. I think we should just stay positive and enthusiastic about Paul, and let Paul speak for himself about the issues. If the medveds of townhall can't recognize a quality candidate when they see one, then to hell with them. I'd just politely say "I'm for Paul", and move on.

[LibertyEagle]

You might be right, but let me ask you something. Did the neocons embrace the Goldwater/libertarian republicans?

No, because the Neocons were Democrats back then. You are confusing neocons with Rockefeller Republicans.



Paul is leading the fight to recapture the GOP from the neocon socialists who currently hold it.

This is much what Goldwater was trying to do, but back then he was trying to wrest it from the Rockefeller Republicans.



Just as many small government conservatives were forced out of the GOP by the neocons, a successful Paul campaign will ultimately drive the neocons out of the party, or at least into the shadows where libertarian republicans have had to dwell for so many years.

Pretty much. But, you are forgetting that there are a lot of traditional conservatives (libertarian-conservatives) IN the Republican Party. Some of these have been propagandized by the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans, from the likes of FOX news and the similar statist BS on CNN, etc. Are you suggesting we just forget about these people? If we do, we will lose. I promise you.

We have to reach them with Dr. Paul's message. They know something is wrong. Some can't put their finger on it; others haven't heard of Ron Paul; still others haven't heard HIS message, but have been propagandized against him by the statist wings of the Party; others agree with him on most of the issues, but are hung up on the Iraq war, because they don't understand. We need to reach these people somehow. These are the people who vote in the Republican primary. We ignore them at our own peril.


I don't particularly care about converting or co-opting the message of the neocon warmongers. I'm quite content to see them follow their failed ideology into political irrelevance.

No one is suggesting you try to "co-opt" the message of the neocons. But, we need to be aware of where Republicans are going for their information and get them where they live. Spending a few minutes to write a comment to show the other side of the coin than what the neocon author is shining, seems well worth our time.

You seem to think we can/should wholesale disregard Republicans. This is a losing strategy.

[LibertyEagle]

"If the medveds of townhall can't recognize a quality candidate when they see one, then to hell with them. I'd just politely say "I'm for Paul", and move on."

Do you use the same strategy when you see someone saying that he blamed America for 9-11? I ask, because if we do not stand up and explain the deal, how the hell is anyone supposed to know that this is NOT what he said.

Ok, just sit back and let it happen. Who is everyone going to blame when he comes in with a whopping 2-3 percent in the Republican primaries??? The media, the voting machines, or WHAT?

When this happens, please go walk to your closest mirror AND LOOK IN IT. There, you will find the answer of who is to blame.

Out.

[trispear]

If we are absent among other republicans and the places they attend, we are giving total power to the shrill neocons among them to define us and our positions.

That is bad.

The other option is to preach to the choir. That is redundant.

[speciallyblend]

I have to say it this way to many republicans.Its really in the republicans court.They can choose Ron Paul and WIN the next election or they can choose to lose the next election by not nominating Ron Paul.I'm a former democrat,now libertarian,and of course registered republican to vote for Ron Paul.
The republican party needs to understand its Ron Paul or nothing.If they choose to ignore Ron Paul and his message then they choose to lose the next election,pretty simple argument.If they don't believe me they will after the election.I'm over both parties as most Americans already are.so the ball really is in the republican court.If they choose to attack Ron Paul and his message,then they choose to lose.If they want to blame me as a voter for losing then listen to my message,which is Ron Paul's message. Ron Paul 2008

There is no wasted vote,only a vote for change. Ron Paul 2008 ,more americans have voted outside the 2 old parties in record numbers in the last 3 elections,change is being demanded and the demand will not go away.

[SeanEdwards]

Pretty much. But, you are forgetting that there are a lot of traditional conservatives (libertarian-conservatives) IN the Republican Party. Some of these have been propagandized by the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans, from the likes of FOX news and the similar statist BS on CNN, etc. Are you suggesting we just forget about these people? If we do, we will lose. I promise you.


I don't think we need them to win. I welcome any of them that come to their senses, but I don't think it's critical to accomplish deprogramming them of 20 years of Hannity style brainwashing. I think we win just as well by letting their own demoralized state keep them away from the polls.



Spending a few minutes to write a comment to show the other side of the coin than what the neocon author is shining, seems well worth our time.


I don't object to that. I object to the frantic "we HAVE to convert everyone on Townhall to Paul or we're gonna DIE" hysteria that you seem to be espousing. I don't think we're ever going to convert medved or his ilk, and I don't particularily care. We're going to win despite those fools.



You seem to think we can/should wholesale disregard Republicans. This is a losing strategy.

I just don't think neocons on townhall.com are the keepers of Republican party destiny.

[mconder]

In addition there are the yipping pups (Hunter, Brownback, Tancredo, Paul) who prevent any of the Big Dogs from looking fierce and formidable. They have no more chance of winning the nomination than former governors Jim Gilmore and Tommy Thompson, who already dropped out. And every time the distraction candidates appear alongside serious contenders, it makes them all look less significant – more like the proverbial Nine Dwarves. With too many Indians in their Presidential tribe, the Republicans face a tougher time settling on a chief.

Yes, we need people like you to make it easy on us and just tell us who to vote for. To tell us, who are the top tier and who are the "angry fringe" candidates. I need to be protected from their hatefulness. Thanks for showing me the way to peace, security, and everlasting joy!

[LibertyEagle]

I don't think we need them to win.

Let me see. Townhall is the number 1 Republican website in existence. WE are trying to win the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. Seemed like a fit to me.


I welcome any of them that come to their senses, but I don't think it's critical to accomplish deprogramming them of 20 years of Hannity style brainwashing. I think we win just as well by letting their own demoralized state keep them away from the polls.

If they do not have the information, how can they "come to their senses", oh wise one?


I don't object to that. I object to the frantic "we HAVE to convert everyone on Townhall to Paul or we're gonna DIE" hysteria that you seem to be espousing.

I never said that at all. What I do find hilarious is the fact that you have chosen the route of spending your time saying how stupid it is to talk to Republicans where they live, rather than just going over there and spending 5 minutes to make a comment.


I don't think we're ever going to convert medved or his ilk, and I don't particularily care.

A lot of people read his column that don't necessarily agree with him. But, if they see claims by him and no refutations, they eventually are going to believe it is true.


We're going to win despite those fools.

That's the way, Sean. Slam all the Republicans out there. After all, if they haven't seen the way, the truth and the light, like you, they must be evil and deserve to be chastised. Oh, I forgot...it is the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION we are trying to win. ooops.


I just don't think neocons on townhall.com are the keepers of Republican party destiny.

Again, what you don't seem to understand is that a lot of people read this site that are NOT neocons. Otherwise, how do you attribute Doug's blog being number 1 on Townhall? eh?

[constituent]

Then apparently you forgot to read about the Maryland event. They have been getting along great with the Maryland GOP. Or the Greenville, SC, they actually got the party to change the platform. Actually everyone seems to be getting along pretty good.

So maybe the reason you are isolated is you and not your political stance.


Dustin, if you want to get quippy we can do so... but let's save it for the PMs.

Now just fyi, i was not refering to attending meetup groups. i was refering to attending any sort of public hearings, things of that nature. i'm glad to hear things went so well somewhere else... it will not always be the case.

yes ron paul does attract a very diverse crowd, I won't disagree w/ you on that one. but i'll let you know, at the bbq in Texas City my politics were way way way off from most folks i talked to...

no, it isn't me it is the politics. you can't speak for me or where I live, so in these sorts of areas (where you're absolutely not qualified) it's probably best you keep your mouth shut (lest ye look like just another @$$hole).

[constituent]

Otherwise, how do you attribute Doug's blog being number 1 on Townhall? eh?


i don't know... shameless self-promotion?

kidding douglas.

[Revolution9]

You might be right, but let me ask you something. Did the neocons embrace the Goldwater/libertarian republicans? I don't think so. I think at most the current crop of GOP leaders made placating noises to the small government conservatives, while actually following a radically socialist policy.

Paul is leading the fight to recapture the GOP from the neocon socialists who currently hold it. Just as many small government conservatives were forced out of the GOP by the neocons, a successful Paul campaign will ultimately drive the neocons out of the party, or at least into the shadows where libertarian republicans have had to dwell for so many years.

I don't particularly care about converting or co-opting the message of the neocon warmongers. I'm quite content to see them follow their failed ideology into political irrelevance.

In any case, it's not really up to us. Paul is who he is, and he clearly isn't going to modulate his message to woo the statist warmongers, and that's one of the most appealing things about the man. I think we should just stay positive and enthusiastic about Paul, and let Paul speak for himself about the issues. If the medveds of townhall can't recognize a quality candidate when they see one, then to hell with them. I'd just politely say "I'm for Paul", and move on.

Holy crap. I agree with you:eek:

Best
Randy

[LibertyEagle]

Holy crap. I agree with you:eek:

Best
Randy

Hell has truly frozen over. :D

Better check yourself, Rev.

[Mort]

Let me see. Townhall is the number 1 Republican website in existence.



Really? I thought it would be freerepublic.com.

[LibertyEagle]

Really? I thought it would be freerepublic.com.

Hardly.

[Revolution9]

Hell has truly frozen over. :D

Better check yourself, Rev.

Got a magic marker and a pair of skates?

Best
Randy

[LibertyEagle]

Then apparently you forgot to read about the Maryland event. They have been getting along great with the Maryland GOP. Or the Greenville, SC, they actually got the party to change the platform. Actually everyone seems to be getting along pretty good.

Apparently YOU forgot that the SC GOP couldn't stand him, UNTIL they heard him explain his position and answer their questions.

What about all those that have NOT heard him speak? Should we just forget them? Just write them off?


So maybe the reason you are isolated is you and not your political stance.



I wasn't aware I was isolated. What are you implying?

[wgadget]

Are we still having fun over there at Medved's post? I just wrote the 150th comment.

[angelatc]

Hey, there's a post on this board somewhere that illustrates that Paul does indeed vote for defense spending - can anybody find it?

[stevedasbach]

It's great what you said, but I disagree we wait to spend 5 little minutes and go over to that article and put an intelligent comment under the article, showing those who read it, that Medved is wrong in his argument. I said, "intelligent", not cursing him out. The comments are not for Medved, they are for all those others who read his column and then the comments. We want them to consider what we wrote in making their determinations.

Exactly!

[constituent]

Apparently YOU forgot that the SC GOP couldn't stand him, UNTIL they heard him explain his position and answer their questions.

What about all those that have NOT heard him speak? Should we just forget them? Just write them off?



I wasn't aware I was isolated. What are you implying?


Liberty Eagle.... I was quoting Dustin's post..... i just hate the blue boxes like the one above what you're reading right now. they ruin the overall appearance of the page.

in other words, i wasn't talking to you.

[Dustancostine]

no, it isn't me it is the politics. you can't speak for me or where I live, so in these sorts of areas (where you're absolutely not qualified) it's probably best you keep your mouth shut (lest ye look like just another @$$hole).

Const.,

I will make an apology for saying it is you. I was writing quickly and that is not what I meant. (That it was your personality). You are correct that I meant that it was your politics.

What I see as the problem is that you are writing off the members of the party that RP is trying to win the nomination of. These people are just as receptive to the message of freedom just like everyone else, it just takes a little more work to explain to them that the current Neocons are not conservative but actual "con" men.

I am not sure why you support Paul (I am not saying this in a neg. way), I just don't know your issues. But Ron Paul is a very strong Republican and a strong Conservative, so I don't see why you write off people of the same party and claim the same values. Yes most of these people have been fooled by the neocons, but they are the ones who are going to be the majority of the voters on primary day.

--Dustan

[SeanEdwards]

That's the way, Sean. Slam all the Republicans out there. After all, if they haven't seen the way, the truth and the light, like you, they must be evil and deserve to be chastised. Oh, I forgot...it is the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION we are trying to win. ooops.



I didn't slam all republicans. I slammed 'medved and his ilk'. Please don't hack up my comments to make it appear I said something that I didn't say.

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry, Sean. If that is not what you meant, I apologize. The thing is, that the same people who read Medved's column on Townhall, will also probably be reading Pat Buchanan's and Phyllis Schlafly's. People just skim over the titles and pick something to read that sounds interesting. In other words, you don't have to be a Medved fan to read a Medved column. Have you taken a look at Townhall's layout? Maybe what I am saying would make more sense if you took a look over there. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/

[Thelibertywire]

Wow some of those posts are depressing.

[constituent]

i don't recall ever suggesting that we ignore them...

someone show me where i said that...

see you make a false argument to try and build on it and knock it down.

for example:

He's right. I've seen people on the forum here who seem to think we can insult them, or flat out ignore them and still win. That IS delusional, not to mention, stupid. Republicans are not some kind of 3 headed monster.

Who are these people? I'm not these people.

[LibertyEagle]

f* medved and all the wankers at townhall....

if they have some snivelling little drip like medved payed to make submissions then they are completely wanker and irrelevant (outside of their little dipshit community).

don't sweat the small stuff (or even the petty, small 'meme's in the repug party)

What did you mean by this post?

[constituent]

yea the petty small memes in the repug party who would follow some guy like medved.... exactly... i don't care what you do to try and 'convert' them. why? read my posts above.

[constituent]

90% of the republican 'base' has probably never been to townhall.com.... 75% of that 90 has probably never sent an e-mail.

perhaps our efforts, and yours would be better spent handing out fliers and talking to our real life (in person) friends and convincing them to vote for ron paul than those who would listen to some weasely scum like medved.

[LibertyEagle]

Constituent, I could care less that you personally do not want to help. You seem much more comfortable courting groups like moveon.org. Power to you. But excuse some of us who actually think that spreading Dr. Paul's message to Republicans, might be a good thing to do if we want to win the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.

[constituent]

Constituent, I could care less that you personally do not want to help. You seem much more comfortable courting groups like moveon.org. Power to you. But excuse some of us who actually think that spreading Dr. Paul's message to Republicans, might be a good thing to do if we want to win the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.


You get more insane as the hours tick away. I'm fine w/ talking to republicans..

and when did I ever say anything about moveon.org?
is that supposed to be some sort of insult?

Don't you have some sort of church choir event or something to get to?

you're completely irrational almost all the time... i'm done discussing with you.

[LibertyEagle]

90% of the republican 'base' has probably never been to townhall.com.... 75% of that 90 has probably never sent an e-mail.

I seriously doubt the number is anywhere near that high. Pleaes cite your source. Furthermore, constituent, that just gives more fodder to my claim that we need to spend much more time OFF the internet, going outside and putting real campaign literature in the hands of people.


perhaps our efforts, and yours would be better spent handing out fliers and talking to our real life (in person) friends and convincing them to vote for ron paul than those who would listen to some weasely scum like medved.



Yes, I agree. But, this thread was about going over to an article and spending 5 minutes making a rebuttal to Medved's negative comment about Ron Paul. You spent MUCH more than that in this thread complaining about it.

[LibertyEagle]

Constituent, most of what I see you do is complain. Do you ever DO anything to spread Ron Paul's message? Just wondering.