View Full Version : GOP Threatens to Sue Cafe Press
Knightskye
07-17-2008, 10:39 PM
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/gop-threatening.html
Heh.
Ron Paul's not suing any websites. I'm sure he welcomes something that gets his name out there. Why does the GOP want to be so secretive?
Eureeka
07-17-2008, 10:45 PM
They must not like my new additions, e.g.,
http://images.cafepress.com/product/285383560_240x240_Front.jpg (http://www.cafepress.com/libertygoods.285383560)
http://images.cafepress.com/product/285341998v1_240x240_Front.jpg (http://www.cafepress.com/libertygoods.285341998)
revolutionary8
07-17-2008, 10:48 PM
Sean Cairncross, the party's chief counsel, wrote (.pdf) the Foster City, California online vendor that the GOP "takes infringements upon its trademarks seriously."
"Please cease and desist from allowing vendors to utilize the federally registered trademarks of the RNC or we will be forced to consider a legal remedy," Cairncross wrote CafePress.
CafePress attorney Paul Alan Levy, of Public Citizen, noted Thursday that some uses of the party's trademarks are critical of the GOP, but many are not.
"The majority of the images over which the RNC has threatened to sue reflect positive opinions about Republicans," he said. "Several designs simply put the elephant logo on a T-shirt, so that the wearer can walk around bragging about his or her adherence to Republicanism."
Others, Levy pointed out, "make highly favorable comments on Republicanism, such as a design portraying a larger elephant trailed by two smaller elephants and the words, 'I'm raising my children right.'"
Absolutely DISGUSTING.
Yet ANOTHER PLOY to usher in the Police State. :rolleyes:
They won't stop.
Neither should we.
every single time "this happens" we should mail out info. :D
It'll happen A LOT I am guessing.
Fox McCloud
07-17-2008, 11:34 PM
I'm sure they're doing this just to flush out the 'bad' T-shirts on Cafe' Press.
I didn't even know the RNC symbol was trademarked.....I guess they better prosecute who knows how many other people on the 'net for using it as well.
I'm for Trademarks in most cases, but it's pretty ridiculous for the RNC to do this, considering the type of symbol it is and how frequently it comes up.
AdamT
07-18-2008, 12:37 AM
They must not like my new additions, e.g.,
http://images.cafepress.com/product/285383560_240x240_Front.jpg (http://www.cafepress.com/libertygoods.285383560)
http://images.cafepress.com/product/285341998v1_240x240_Front.jpg (http://www.cafepress.com/libertygoods.285341998)
HA!
sidster
07-18-2008, 12:49 AM
A few favorites:
http://www.politicsandtechnology.com/images/gop.elephant.dead.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2678659425_880fd1cbfd.jpg
Sally08
07-18-2008, 07:15 AM
I'm sure they're doing this just to flush out the 'bad' T-shirts on Cafe' Press.
I didn't even know the RNC symbol was trademarked.....I guess they better prosecute who knows how many other people on the 'net for using it as well.
I'm for Trademarks in most cases, but it's pretty ridiculous for the RNC to do this, considering the type of symbol it is and how frequently it comes up.
Either trademarks are legally enforceable or they're not. If they're not enforceable, they're worthless across the board.
Has CFL considered getting a trademark?
If not, look how easily CFL can be hijacked by the opposition/ridiculed by Cafe Press and anyone else with morphing software or Photoshop-
I'll bet the RP supporters would take "bomb" actions if the shoe were on the other foot-
Also, Cafe Press used to have Terms of Service against using trademarks/copyrights/proprietary property of others. So when did they start allowing customers to set up online stores for the purpose of selling such itmes?
The related stores should have been brought down immediately upon having received notice, as a violation of its TOS.
JosephTheLibertarian
07-18-2008, 07:20 AM
I'm against trdemarks...but I'd obtain them if I knew it was in my best interests. CFL should.
Kludge
07-18-2008, 07:25 AM
They'll only be hurting themselves and if they do have copyrights on them, more power to 'em. (@ GOP, not CFL ;) )
noxagol
07-18-2008, 07:27 AM
I want one of those republicrat shirts!
Sally08
07-18-2008, 07:42 AM
I'm against trdemarks...but I'd obtain them if I knew it was in my best interests. CFL should.
If you are against trademarks, are you against your name being yours? Is your picture yours?
When I temporarily used Sandra's avatar picture as mine, was that okay?
I strongly believe that creators of intellectual property should reap the benefits of their efforts. I have been surprised to see that many RP supporters apparently disagree with that concept-
Note a related lawsuit against LifeLock below. Which side are you on?
If I started sending out massive SPAM campaigns, with "Ron Paul" as the sender, would that be legal or illegal? On what grounds?
In fact, aren't RP supporters planning to do exactly that for CFL?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/55217
~Saturday/Sunday August 2/3 InfoSpam Weekend Bomb For Liberty~
Is the use of DailyPaul to publicly plan a SPAM ATTACK *in CFL's name* against the law?
At a "minimum", isn't this "creative" marketing plan the best way to get Campaign For Liberty to be a SPAM filter phrase by ISPs?
I do know that if I suddenly got "Campaign For Liberty" from every activist/on every site/on every blog, I would be extremely *irritated*, kinda like "increase your size"! I certainly wouldn't use any link that was included!
=====================
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/lifelock-sued-f.html
trade practices.
LifeLock Sued for Corporate Identity Theft
According to papers filed in Tennessee, Namesafe claims that LifeLock stole its trademark and deceptively diverted traffic meant for Namesafe's web site to LifeLock's own web site.
JosephTheLibertarian
07-18-2008, 07:47 AM
If you are against trademarks, are you against your name being yours? Is your picture yours?
I don't own my name. If I did, I'd be making lawsuits left and right! haaaaaa
When I temporarily used Sandra's avatar picture as mine, was that okay?
Yeah.
I strongly believe that creators of intellectual property should reap the benefits of their efforts. I have been surprised to see that many RP supporters apparently disagree with that concept-
I disagree. I <3 warez. I'm not going to pay $170 for software when I can get it for free.
Note a related lawsuit against LifeLock below. Which side are you on?
If I started sending out massive SPAM campaigns, with "Ron Paul" as the sender, would that be legal or illegal? On what grounds?
Legal. You receive junk mail in your mailbox, yes? Same grounds.
In fact, aren't RP supporters planning to do exactly that for CFL?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/55217
~Saturday/Sunday August 2/3 InfoSpam Weekend Bomb For Liberty~
I don't care. Didn't they sign up for the newsletter in the first place?
Is the use of DailyPaul to publicly planning a SPAM ATTACK *in CFL's name* against the law?
Not against my law.
At a "minimum", isn't this "creative" marketing plan the best way to get Campaign For Liberty to be a SPAM filter phrase by ISPs?
I do know that if I suddenly got "Campaign For Liberty" from every activist/on every site/on every blog, I would be extremely *irritated*, kinda like "increase your size"! I certainly wouldn't use any link that was included!
=====================
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/lifelock-sued-f.html
trade practices.
LifeLock Sued for Corporate Identity Theft
According to papers filed in Tennessee, Namesafe claims that LifeLock stole its trademark and deceptively diverted traffic meant for Namesafe's web site to LifeLock's own web site.
hmm. you worry too much.
Sandra
07-18-2008, 07:51 AM
If they switched the red and blue fields on the elephant... problem solved.
luvfreedom
07-18-2008, 08:27 AM
How about turning the stars right side up?
Sandra
07-18-2008, 08:37 AM
How about turning the stars right side up?
Ho about using swastikas instead of stars! :D
I just ordered these:
http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/mens-clothing/design/19253093
http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/stickers/design/28512954
Sally08
07-18-2008, 10:20 AM
Not against my law.
Shrug.
You are a great example for the MSM news articles that constantly refer to RP's Libertarian beliefs that have harmed his credibility with conservatives.
I hope you're not running, now or in future, for any office in my local area, state, or country.
Truth Warrior
07-18-2008, 10:49 AM
Wear a plain black T shirt. That's the anarchy flag. ;) :D
Miniarchists could wear dark gray ones. :)
acptulsa
07-18-2008, 10:59 AM
Hmmm... Libel and slander laws are specifically inapplicable to political speech. Trademark laws are not.
Yes, I can understand the G.O.P. wanting to avoid some of the ridicule they've earned. And trademark laws can do this for them. And there's a point there. Why should they go to the trouble to design a logo just to be abused with it?
But the free speech notion keeps coming back to my mind. I thought the primary purpose of the parties was to provide an organization to groom and provide those citizens who are capable of governance. I didn't know that licensing revenues were more important. This seems to indicate that the real purpose of the G.O.P. is to make not governance, but money.
I don't think they need to be prevented from protecting their trademark. I just think they're damned fools to do it.
dannno
07-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by luvfreedom View Post
How about turning the stars right side up?
Ho about using swastikas instead of stars! :D
Heh, that's the spirit!
Truth Warrior
07-18-2008, 11:26 AM
Hmmm... Libel and slander laws are specifically inapplicable to political speech. Trademark laws are not.
Yes, I can understand the G.O.P. wanting to avoid some of the ridicule they've earned. And trademark laws can do this for them. And there's a point there. Why should they go to the trouble to design a logo just to be abused with it?
But the free speech notion keeps coming back to my mind. I thought the primary purpose of the parties was to provide an organization to groom and provide those citizens who are capable of governance. I didn't know that licensing revenues were more important. This seems to indicate that the real purpose of the G.O.P. is to make not governance, but money.
I don't think they need to be prevented from protecting their trademark. I just think they're damned fools to do it.
"If you want to understand what's really going on, just follow the money." ;)
:D
Truth Warrior
07-18-2008, 11:31 AM
How about turning the stars right side up?
Upside down stars are Satanism symbols. TPTB lame humor attempt. :rolleyes:
Knightskye
07-18-2008, 12:12 PM
TPTB lame humor attempt. :rolleyes:
What's TPTB mean?
acptulsa
07-18-2008, 12:13 PM
What's TPTB mean?
The Powers That Be.
The One
07-18-2008, 12:14 PM
I want one of those republicrat shirts!
+1
JosephTheLibertarian
07-18-2008, 01:00 PM
Shrug.
You are a great example for the MSM news articles that constantly refer to RP's Libertarian beliefs that have harmed his credibility with conservatives.
I hope you're not running, now or in future, for any office in my local area, state, or country.
I'm not a truther, so I don't know what [redacted by moderator] you're talking about. Make some sense next time, k? If I were running, I would run a pragmatic campaign, [redacted by moderator]. You're the one backing protectionist Baldwin, and you're the one calling me a radical? ha
And what's "Libertarian beliefs"? The capital "L" refers to Libertarian Party, are you referring to libertarianism? Maybe you should know what you're talking about before you begin typing anything.
You fail.
I don't want to run. I rather let the socialists tax you to death. [Redacted by Moderator]
HOLLYWOOD
07-18-2008, 03:14 PM
You will see the NEW SAFETY SIGNS around the St. Paul and the EXCEL Center Arena... during the GOP convention:
I would LOVE to see SIGNS @ every intersection!
http://thenaturestore.com/prodimg/crx59.jpg
HOLLYWOOD
07-18-2008, 03:23 PM
A few favorites:
http://www.politicsandtechnology.com/images/gop.elephant.dead.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2678659425_880fd1cbfd.jpg
Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :)
How about some Swastikas and GOP text on those puppies?
The NEOCONS need a good spoonful of their OWN MEDICINE!
So is the McCain/GOP Campaign 2008 theme song: BAD MEDICINE by Bon Jovi?
Knightskye
07-21-2008, 01:32 AM
You will see the NEW SAFETY SIGNS around the St. Paul and the EXCEL Center Arena... during the GOP convention:
I would LOVE to see SIGNS @ every intersection!
http://thenaturestore.com/prodimg/crx59.jpg
I don't get it. :p
constituent
07-21-2008, 06:51 AM
they must really be hard-up for cash.
hillertexas
07-21-2008, 10:34 AM
they must really be hard-up for cash.
+1
This would be an interesting case...a private company that performs a very public function. The GOP won't win IMO because a reasonable person would not think that the iconography of the GOP is trademarked...due to the GOP's public function. They must be desperate for cash and grabbing at straws.
Knightskye
07-21-2008, 09:47 PM
Problem solved:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/gop-caving-from.html
I guess even the RNC can come to their senses - at least when it comes to t-shirts. :D
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