T. Boone Pickens has a plan?

[dcbpe]

Has anyone else seen this?

http://push.pickensplan.com/

Is Mr. Pickens setting himself up for a Perot, or is he just a concerned oil man? Or, is he a wealthy Paulite that will throw his money behind the C4L?

I dunno, I haven't researched him or his politics...

I've signed up because I think that energy independence is the #1 issue facing us...without our dependence on foreign oil bad wars and bad economics go away, afterall.

[Maximus]

I don't think the natural gas thing of his plan will go anywhere

But I like the windfarms

[Veritas1]

He's a smart Texas oilman who has just invested millions - maybe billions- in water rights, wind farms, alternative energy.

[Kludge]

Pickens is no libertarian....

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Has anyone else seen this?

http://push.pickensplan.com/

Is Mr. Pickens setting himself up for a Perot, or is he just a concerned oil man? Or, is he a wealthy Paulite that will throw his money behind the C4L?

I dunno, I haven't researched him or his politics...

I've signed up because I think that energy independence is the #1 issue facing us...without our dependence on foreign oil bad wars and bad economics go away, afterall.

"energy indepenence" is a weasel term for protectionism. let's not. I prefer that we let the free market work, which is where Mr. Pickens hails from, this thing called the free market of ideas. Ever hear of it?

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

He's a smart Texas oilman who has just invested millions - maybe billions- in water rights, wind farms, alternative energy.

When you say "smart Texas oilman," you should state that he made his money in domestic oil and gas production. He is a survivor who wasn't made a shambles of by the two Bush administrations in the interests of foreign oil producers. Namely the Saudis who have had a tendency in the past to flood the worldwide market with oil to wreck the U.S. energy industry.
T. Boone Pickens is not long for this world and has begun the process of leaving a legacy giving hundreds of millions to charities and such.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

"energy indepenence" is a weasel term for protectionism. let's not. I prefer that we let the free market work, which is where Mr. Pickens hails from, this thing called the free market of ideas. Ever hear of it?

Wow. Send a message back to the 1980's. The problem isn't with supply because we have billions of barrels of oil in reserves. The problem is with the atmosphere burning us to a crisp. Yes, the scientists are long haired weirdos. Yes, Gore is a flake. But the Polar Bears are indeed miserable. So, the price of oil is never coming back down. It is going to be taxed to death just as cigarettes are today in order to pay for global warming.
Your "free market of ideas" sure works well for the insurance and the pharmaceutical industries whose businesses rarely ever lose money but not so well for the airline industry who just keeps on bleeding and bleeding in the free market. Same with the telecommunications industry.
Meanwhile, the banking industry does whatever it wants to unseen. It can waste, squander and hoard at will because when the economy evaporates it is insured to be the only industry to remain.
The U.S. Automobile industry can't catch a break either. Perhaps they need to go back to building a great lawn mower first? Figure the free market for illegal aliens mowing lawns will go through the roof.
How does business really work in the free market of the U.S.? Well, just take a look at the Enron scandel. Involved in the scheme were Enron in Houston, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson in Chicago, and quite a lot of finacial companies in New York City as they all were aware that thousands of investors were getting ripped off. The free market allowed the investors of Enron and Arthur Anderson to lose big while the executives at Enron got prosecuted. This put the wholesale energy market out of business as it stood in Houston. The financial companies in New York City that should have gone out of business for their part in the crime got a slap on the wrist. Hmmm. Free market? Nope.

[Kraig]

Well he's a doofus because he doesn't seem to realize that the bigger problem is our dollar decline and monetary policy. Probably just trying to make some money off the current OMG WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF GAS trend.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Wow. Send a message back to the 1980's. The problem isn't with supply because we have billions of barrels of oil in reserves. The problem is with the atmosphere burning us to a crisp. Yes, the scientists are long haired weirdos. Yes, Gore is a flake. But the Polar Bears are indeed miserable. So, the price of oil is never coming back down. It is going to be taxed to death just as cigarettes are today in order to pay for global warming.

Even if GW exists, it's not a government issue. Government is incapable of solving the problem, or any problem for that matter. Government is typically the cause of most of our problems anyway.


Your "free market of ideas" sure works well for the insurance and the pharmaceutical industries whose businesses rarely ever lose money but not so well for the airline industry who just keeps on bleeding and bleeding in the free market. Same with the telecommunications industry.

Are you joking? The airline and telecommunications industry are both extremely regulated, what the hell are you smoking? Ohh..free market, eh? If so, tell me, can I can start my own airline with just a small plane? It's not a free market. Can I start my own phone company? Hells no.


Meanwhile, the banking industry does whatever it wants to unseen. It can waste, squander and hoard at will because when the economy evaporates it is insured to be the only industry to remain.

That would be of the government's own doing.


The U.S. Automobile industry can't catch a break either. Perhaps they need to go back to building a great lawn mower first? Figure the free market for illegal aliens mowing lawns will go through the roof.

The reason our automobile industry is suffering is because we have politicians that do nothing in gov but pass legislation that HURT us.


How does business really work in the free market of the U.S.? Well, just take a look at the Enron scandel.

Are you dense? We're talking about free market in energy, you seem to have ADD, since you can't stick to one topic.

Enron was a monopoly created and sustained by government.



Involved in the scheme were Enron in Houston, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson in Chicago, and quite a lot of finacial companies in New York City as they all were aware that thousands of investors were getting ripped off. The free market allowed the investors of Enron and Arthur Anderson to lose big while the executives at Enron got prosecuted. This put the wholesale energy market out of business as it stood in Houston. The financial companies in New York City that should have gone out of business for their part in the crime got a slap on the wrist. Hmmm. Free market? Nope.

You're the typcal socialist. blah blah blah. Stay on topic, lefty

[Kraig]

Wow. Send a message back to the 1980's. The problem isn't with supply because we have billions of barrels of oil in reserves. The problem is with the atmosphere burning us to a crisp. Yes, the scientists are long haired weirdos. Yes, Gore is a flake. But the Polar Bears are indeed miserable. So, the price of oil is never coming back down. It is going to be taxed to death just as cigarettes are today in order to pay for global warming.
Your "free market of ideas" sure works well for the insurance and the pharmaceutical industries whose businesses rarely ever lose money but not so well for the airline industry who just keeps on bleeding and bleeding in the free market. Same with the telecommunications industry.
Meanwhile, the banking industry does whatever it wants to unseen. It can waste, squander and hoard at will because when the economy evaporates it is insured to be the only industry to remain.
The U.S. Automobile industry can't catch a break either. Perhaps they need to go back to building a great lawn mower first? Figure the free market for illegal aliens mowing lawns will go through the roof.
How does business really work in the free market of the U.S.? Well, just take a look at the Enron scandel. Involved in the scheme were Enron in Houston, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson in Chicago, and quite a lot of finacial companies in New York City as they all were aware that thousands of investors were getting ripped off. The free market allowed the investors of Enron and Arthur Anderson to lose big while the executives at Enron got prosecuted. This put the wholesale energy market out of business as it stood in Houston. The financial companies in New York City that should have gone out of business for their part in the crime got a slap on the wrist. Hmmm. Free market? Nope.

LOL airlines and free market? Have you not seen them being raped by the TSA since 9/11? Above all other things, as long as the Federal Reserve is active we are not an example of a free market in any form. I mean what a suprise, we have a private banking group joined at the hip with the government and they are using government force to give themselves exclusive rights to the creation of our currency, and they own this country, what a fucking surprise. Is it really the failure of free markets or did the free markets get raped by a banking cartel?

[Mesogen]

T. Boone Pickens is a huge Bush donor/supporter. He bankrolled the swiftboat ads. I'm no fan of John Kerry, but the swiftboat ads were basically lies. Kerry's claims about what he did in Vietnam were lies too, though.

So then Pickens offered $1 million to people who could prove that the swiftboat ads were lies. People that served with Kerry proved it and Pickens reneged.

So trust Pickens at your own peril.

[dcbpe]

"energy indepenence" is a weasel term for protectionism. let's not. I prefer that we let the free market work, which is where Mr. Pickens hails from, this thing called the free market of ideas. Ever hear of it?


I'm not quite sure why you equate energy independence and protectionism. I didn't say anything about protecting anything. I'm perfectly in agreement about the "free market of ideas". Can you explain your position there...I'm curious...

I think if alternative energy sources are profitable, then the market will promote them. If a guy like T Boone is jumping on the bandwagon it means he smells profits. Sure he may also be doing his patriotic duty to help America, but there isn't anything the matter with profiting from doing something right...and stopping the giant sucking sound of (evermore worthless) dollars flying to the Middle East seems liek the right thing to do to me.

If T Boone can use his clout to inspire others, then what's the harm? The more people that are working toward the goal the better...especially if they are investing their own time and energy (no pun intended) rather than taking subsidies from Washington.

If the plan doesn't work, then so be it. Maybe it leads to another. I dunno...I signed up in any event.

[dcbpe]

T. Boone Pickens is a huge Bush donor/supporter. He bankrolled the swiftboat ads. I'm no fan of John Kerry, but the swiftboat ads were basically lies. Kerry's claims about what he did in Vietnam were lies too, though.

So then Pickens offered $1 million to people who could prove that the swiftboat ads were lies. People that served with Kerry proved it and Pickens reneged.

So trust Pickens at your own peril.

So? He has a right to support whom he choses...be they Bush or the Swiftboat Vets. I've never heard of this $1 million dollar offer...nor do I really care who proved or disproved what. Kerry has been and always will be a two faced liar, regardless of the Swiftboat Vets. They weren't even slightly relevant to my 2004 vote for Bush.

Yes, I supported Bush too. Donated a little to his campaign. I really wish I had the money back I spent on two baseball caps which I now refuse to wear. I was as bamboozled by his Conservative campaign tongue as many, many other people were. Maybe you were smarter...kudos. I'm not in a position to judge T Boone on that. Glass houses, etc. I take solace in knowing I got Alito and Roberts, and that I bought the hats at a discount after the campaign. :)

As for trusting T Boone at my peril...I don't see where the peril is. So far, it's his dime and his risk. If he profits, we all profit. If he fails, we are stuck win the same place we already were. There really isn't any risk for me or you....

[driller80545]

T. Boone's ideas may not be the ultimate solution to energy and the middle east, but it is the most rational idea that I have heard yet. We have tons and tons of natural gas in this country and it doesn't need the intensive refining that crude does to be utilized as fuel. Should be cheaper. Altering a vehicle to use NG is simple and quick. I hope he does make money. I see this as a perfect example of the free market at work. The price of crude is what makes his ideas plausible.