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Falseflagop
07-15-2008, 03:46 PM
This was great!


http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=793876610&play=1



Bunning says abolish the FED now RON has a partner!

ButchHowdy
07-15-2008, 03:58 PM
Ball players make for great Congressmen!

satchelmcqueen
07-15-2008, 04:05 PM
and they make light of it all.

rp4prez
07-15-2008, 04:08 PM
Yeah he was amazing! We need more congress men like him and RP crushing their nuts!

mconder
07-15-2008, 04:14 PM
I'm surprised no one has called for a Bernanke resignation at this point...not that it would help.

RSLudlum
07-15-2008, 04:26 PM
funny...Glenn Beck was railing about the Federal Reserve today talking about the Inflation Tax, and saying it's a private bank but there's really no 'shadow gov't' bc. they're doing everything right infront of our eyes :rolleyes:

forsmant
07-15-2008, 04:28 PM
Bernanke's response was childish. Other central banks have that power...What an idiot.

aspiringconstitutionalist
07-15-2008, 04:29 PM
Did Bunning actually call for abolishing the Fed in that video? I didn't notice that. I saw him say we need to take away some of the Fed's powers.

Regardless, it's good that he's getting serious about the Fed problem, and hopefully more join him.

Kludge
07-15-2008, 04:29 PM
Where's the section afterwords when he railed hard against Paulson? He was even more intense and aggressive.

purplechoe
07-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Wow, he called Bernake a socialist! Good for him!!!

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 04:39 PM
This guy voted for FISA and he co-sponsored the bill to designate the Iranian National Guard as a Foreign Terrorist Organization, and those votes are just the recent ones. lol.
People like him that want to abolish the Fed - I tend to believe they want to wipe out the Fed and replace it with the Central Banks of Europe and usher in the Amero.

Ethek
07-15-2008, 05:58 PM
Interesting, his fellow Senator from here in KY is Mitch McConnell. As the minority leader he pretty much gets nod approval for any big policy stances. Maybe this just slipped under the scope or is not really seen as an important issue so Bunning got to run with it. I dunno.

RCA
07-15-2008, 06:33 PM
I now have a favorite Senator!

I'm going to contact his office and thank him for stepping up to the plate for America!

http://bunning.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

TheTyke
07-15-2008, 06:35 PM
Bunning has voted for a lot of terrible things. I wouldn't get too excited about him. He has only a 60% constitutional voting record (this year) on the Conservative Index compared to RP's 100%. He also spoke at the Kentucky State Convention where they ignored the rules to silence us, he spoke in support of McCain, and pushed pro-McCain resolutions in his district.

I guess you can't get everything wrong though. I heard he's been a critic of the Fed for some time, which is good but... don't get carried away in admiration. :P

The_Orlonater
07-15-2008, 06:42 PM
Edit:

Maybe not.

bucfish
07-15-2008, 06:59 PM
He knows Rand Paul lives in his state so he better preempt the inevitable. But I am glad he called Ben a socialist, lol, that was so funny and unfortunately so true.

RSLudlum
07-15-2008, 07:06 PM
I'm going to contact his office and thank him for stepping up to the plate for America!

http://bunning.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm


Did the same, encouraging further action and asking him to approach my two senators, DeMint and Graham, for support.

bew2005
07-15-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm still floored to hear what Bunning did today. As a resident of Kentucky, I am proud that he is standing up to the Federal Reserve. Having said that, he still backs a lot of things that the liberty movement is against. Maybe he's changing his tune because of our growing movement? Who knows.

Regardless, his Senate seat is up in 2010 and many of us Kentuckians have been eyeing that seat for a while - and by eyeing I obviously mean electing Rand Paul to it.

SWATH
07-15-2008, 08:01 PM
And yet he thinks Ron Paul is "nuttier than a fruitcake". I don't get it.

ItsTime
07-15-2008, 08:07 PM
people change... lets use what we have to work with and go from there. He can be an ally

and they laugh at him at the end... he must be right

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Regardless, his Senate seat is up in 2010 and many of us Kentuckians have been eyeing that seat for a while - and by eyeing I obviously mean electing Rand Paul to it.
yesssssss.... Yesssssssss. :D
This is one explanation for the "sudden change of heart".

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 08:21 PM
people change... lets use what we have to work with and go from there. He can be an ally

and they laugh at him at the end... he must be right
Name one politician who has "changed for the better". ;)


http://peakoil.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=26096

January 5, 2007

"U.S. Senators Jim Bunning (R-KY) and Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced the "Coal-To-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007." This bipartisan piece of legislation is based on the bill first introduced by Senators Bunning and Obama last spring and would help create the infrastructure needed for large-scale production of Coal-to-Liquids (CTL) fuel. It is a comprehensive bill that expands tax incentives, creates planning assistance, and develops Department of Defense support for the domestic CTL industry. "


Paul Blumenthal blogged about Senator Ensign’s hold on S. 223, the Senate Campaign Finance Disclosure Parity Act, earlier in the week. We have reason to wonder whether the hold was Ensign’s doing all along. Similarly, Senator Jim Bunning (R-KY) now has an objection to moving forward with HR 1255, the Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2007. The bill would overturn an outrageous Executive Order that would keep presidential records hidden from public view indefinitely.
http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2007/09/27/presidential-records-in-the-dark/

Arklatex
07-15-2008, 09:13 PM
I now have a favorite Senator!

I'm going to contact his office and thank him for stepping up to the plate for America!

http://bunning.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

Thank you for that RCA. I encourage everyone to write this guy thanking him for his promotion of liberty in economics. Also throw in a word about the advantages of non interventionism and liberty in foreign policy. =)

This is how things change, from the bottom up. :D

DFF
07-15-2008, 09:15 PM
Woah! He sounded almost tit for tat like Ron Paul!

Ethek
07-15-2008, 09:15 PM
Thank you for that RCA. I encourage everyone to write this guy thanking him for his promotion of liberty in economics. Also through in a word about the advantages of non interventionism and liberty in foreign policy.

I wrote him a nice note of encouragement. Since hes actually my representative I bet I'll get a response. I'll post it If I get it.

JosephTheLibertarian
07-15-2008, 09:17 PM
This was great!


http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=793876610&play=1



Bunning says abolish the FED now RON has a partner!

Cool.

Unfortunately, according to ontheissues.org Jim Bunning is a Hard-Core Conservative.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Jim_Bunning.htm

Great piece though :)

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 09:28 PM
Cool.

Unfortunately, according to ontheissues.org Jim Bunning is a Hard-Core Conservative.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Jim_Bunning.htm

Great piece though :)
Thanks for the link.


* Voted NO on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)
* Voted NO on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
* Voted NO on allowing Habeus Corpus appeals in capital cases. (Mar 1996)
* Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
*Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
* Voted NO on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
* Rated 13% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
* Rated 75% by the NCJA, indicating a mixed record on criminal justice. (Dec 2005)
* More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
*Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
* Combined 22 federal agencies to make us more secure. (Oct 2004)
* Voted NO on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)
* Voted NO on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
* Voted NO on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
* Voted NO on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
* Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
* Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
* Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
* Voted NO on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
* Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
* Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
* Voted NO on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
* Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
* Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)
* No US troops under UN command; more defense spending. (Sep 1994)

* Voted YES on promoting free trade with Peru. (Dec 2007)
* Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted NO on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Voted NO on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
* Voted NO on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
* Rated 75% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

He is a NEOCON. A neocon is NOT a "hard core" conservative, a Neocon is a hard core NAZI!

DFF
07-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Well, one out of one hundred isn't bad. lol

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 09:44 PM
* Admits using Teleprompter during live debate. (Oct 2004)
* Apologize for an inappropriate comment and look for the same. (Oct 2004)
* Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
*Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
* Religious affiliation: Catholic. (Nov 2000)
* We have looked out for our troops. (Oct 2004)
* Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
* Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
* Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
* Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
* Voted NO on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
* Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
* Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
* Voted YES on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999)
* Voted NO on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)

He is not conservative at all, he is a fiscal liberal, and an up your ass and spend as much money necessary bushwhacking to get up in there Neocon. lol.

Indy4Chng
07-15-2008, 09:48 PM
Well I guess it depends what is important to you. He may be horrible if your top priority is foreign policy reform. If you want financial reform and fed reform he seems like a good senator. Since the fed more directly ruins my life, I am support his positions, no other senator is saying anything like this. 60% is a lot better than probably 90% of the senate.

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 10:01 PM
Well I guess it depends what is important to you. He may be horrible if your top priority is foreign policy reform. If you want financial reform and fed reform he seems like a good senator. Since the fed more directly ruins my life, I am support his positions, no other senator is saying anything like this. 60% is a lot better than probably 90% of the senate.

The time is over for THEIR definition of "compromise". It doesn't work. Time to call them out, and hold them accountable. I would much rather have RAND PAUL in his seat, you?
I say- vote for FISA, Iraq war, War funding, Patriot Act, Kyl-Lieberman, suspension of Habeus Corpus, etc etc... boot em.
Again, question WHY they want to "abolish the fed". Here's an idea, write Bunning to tell him thanks for calling out the fed, but THEN Ask Mr. Bunning who/what he would have "replace" the Fed. :cool:

WRellim
07-15-2008, 11:13 PM
Go listen to the video of him reading that "opening statement" again... it was a script written for him by a staffer (and it is the staffer who is truly passionate & had the change of heart).

The way he read it, he had (at most) read through it once before, and apparently he wasn't paying much attention to the text that time.

Now doubtless he gave the "OK" to the script beforehand (probably mainly because he thought it would make him "look conservative" and "powerful") and certainly he was aware of it's general content, but the way he tripped over key phrases and emphatic points (like putting the emPHAsis on the wRONGE syLLABle) showed that it was like a foreign language to him.

There's nothing there to really admire. To paraphrase a section from Frank Herbert's Dune:
"Once, on Caladan, I saw the body of a drowned fisherman recovered. The interesting thing about this man was the wounds on his shoulders -- made by another fisherman's claw-boots. This fisherman was one of several in a boat that foundered. Another fisherman helping recover the body said he'd seen marks like this man's wounds several times. They meant another drowning fisherman had tried to stand on this poor fellow's shoulders in the attempt to reach up to the surface--to reach air."

"Why is this interesting?" the banker asked.

"Because of an observation made by my father at the time. He said the drowning man who climbs on your shoulders to save himself is understandable--except when you see it happen in the drawing room." Paul hesitated just long enough for the banker to see the point coming, then: "And, I should add, except when you see it at the dinner table." [...or in a congressional hearing.]

Senator Bunning thinks Bernanke is drowning, and that he can reach air if he stands on top of Bernanke's shoulders.

So I say again, there's nothing there to really admire.

revolutionary8
07-15-2008, 11:35 PM
Go listen to the video of him reading that "opening statement" again... it was a script written for him by a staffer (and it is the staffer who is truly passionate & had the change of heart)
That would make sense. I had not thought that convolutedly yet, but, today is the day! :D

Kludge
07-16-2008, 02:25 AM
I'd definitely vote for him if he were running in my district. Pro-free trade, smaller gov't, stop funding for useless "educational" programs, cut the fed.

WRellim
07-16-2008, 02:35 AM
I'd definitely vote for him if he were running in my district. Pro-free trade, smaller gov't, stop funding for useless "educational" programs, cut the fed.


If that's all it takes for you to decide to vote for a guy... one really poorly "read" prepared script in a single scenario.
:confused:



Well, it explains a LOT of what is wrong (and UN-fixable) in "democracies" -- that it is very easy (especially for incumbent officeholders) to hoodwink, misdirect, bamboozle, confuse, and gain the support of people; all you have to do it give them a single grandstand "instance" for them to become emotionally "attached" to you (on some singular issue) and you can do whatever you want after that. Heck, that's the exact scenario that Rove used to get the public behind GWB.
:(


Please go do some digging on this guy and find out where he REALLY stands on issues (i.e. his voting record) before you decide to get behind him. (And note that I really have NO CLUE about this guy at this point... but since he's not from my state he's not worth the bother for me to do the digging).

JosephTheLibertarian
07-16-2008, 02:37 AM
I'd definitely vote for him if he were running in my district. Pro-free trade, smaller gov't, stop funding for useless "educational" programs, cut the fed.

I would not.

Kludge
07-16-2008, 02:41 AM
*snip*

I've already gone through his voting record and posted some of his speech excerpts on another thread. He is very conservative. I disagree with him on his positions regarding foreign policy but am willing to compromise due to his outstanding domestic policies.

And of course, my district's incumbent is a neo-liberal so....

CurtisLow
07-16-2008, 10:11 AM
Woot! Great job Senator Jim Bunning!

Wrote a email thanking him.