Naomi Wolf Speech

[ronpaulhawaii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fGc6auB4j8

[muzzled dogg]

i thought this was very unorganized and whiny

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I thought she was a liberal.....who may be having a paradigm shift in her way of thinking. May be worth keeping an eye on her in the near future.

[PatriotOne]

Thanks for the vid. Her presentation was very simple to understand and brought the message home.

[lasenorita]

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment)
by Naomi Wolf

From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

[CUnknown]

Great speech, I hope it changes some people's minds about her. We needed her at the march.

I disagree that she is having a 'paradigm shift' in her way of thinking. She's as liberal next year as she is today or yesterday. Why is it so hard to understand that liberals don't want their country turned into a fascist concentration camp any more than conservatives do? Liberals like Naomi Wolf are allies to the Ron Paul movement. Liberals can be a great help to this movement if the more conservative Ron Paul supporters allow them to be.

[acptulsa]

Great speech, I hope it changes some people's minds about her. We needed her at the march.

I disagree that she is having a 'paradigm shift' in her way of thinking. She's as liberal next year as she is today or yesterday. Why is it so hard to understand that liberals don't want their country turned into a fascist concentration camp any more than conservatives do? Liberals like Naomi Wolf are allies to the Ron Paul movement. Liberals can be a great help to this movement if the more conservative Ron Paul supporters allow them to be.

We need honest people who can help us take this nation back from the thieves now. We can work out the details later.

[Danke]

Great speech, I hope it changes some people's minds about her. We needed her at the march.

I disagree that she is having a 'paradigm shift' in her way of thinking. She's as liberal next year as she is today or yesterday. Why is it so hard to understand that liberals don't want their country turned into a fascist concentration camp any more than conservatives do? Liberals like Naomi Wolf are allies to the Ron Paul movement. Liberals can be a great help to this movement if the more conservative Ron Paul supporters allow them to be.

My brother is a liberal too. But he still does not believe in voluntary taxation. If it fits in his world view, (like our current socialized education) than no problem taking property by force.

Naomi Wolf talking about tyranny as a liberal, puleeease.

[robert4rp08]

Maybe I'll have to re-read End of America, but I don't recall it being liberal-leaning. If anything it's a great tool to have a liberal talking about fascism.

[Oyate]

I thought she was a liberal.....who may be having a paradigm shift in her way of thinking. May be worth keeping an eye on her in the near future.

Oh man. You have got to be kidding. I am LMAO here. Liberal? Reeeeeeeeally?

Let me get this straight. The radical feminist speaker we allowed to the rally is LIBERAL? OMFG! Katy bar the door and grab the shotgun!

(dies laughing)

Of course she's liberal you hopelessly confused conservative! That was the whole point! Building bridges? Winning over the opposition? You know, the whole "outreach" thing?

We just proved we are...what's that word the liberals love? Tolerance? I think that's it. We just proved that we are tolerant and even cordial to people that aren't exactly us. Naomi had a great time, I spoke to her after the event. She was mega impressed at how cohesive and fun we are.

BAM! Score another point. None of the libs think we know how to have a good time and party. I guess they thought we were going to show up and hang undocumented workers from trees or something. But no, we had a party. You have to understand, these people are conditioned to be AFRAID of us. Well, we took their Naomi and we took care of her and made sure everybody had a good time.

SCORE.

Now she's gonna go tell all her liberal friends that we are just plain good folks.

SCORE.

And she respected us and didn't go off on her feminist tangents or whatever other witches brew of socialism she has hiding in her kind heart. And behind them blue eyes. And under that radical tangle of lovely brown hair. Swear to Gods if I weren't married.......

Any single male patriot that snubs Naomi Wolf must be blind. I guess that's all I got to say.

[malkusm]

We need honest people who can help us take this nation back from the thieves now. We can work out the details later.

This.

[GigiBowman]

Naomi was just lovely. She told me that she admired all of us for what we are doing. Imagine...we are admired by a liberal???

When will the mindset of exclusion end? How can we exclude anyone when the Ron Paul Revolution was built upon people from all facets of life? The only way to get stronger is to open our arms and embrace those as they swallow the red pill.

that includes Bob Barr :)

[Danke]

Any single male patriot that snubs Naomi Wolf must be blind. I guess that's all I got to say.

Good thing Joseph wasn't there! :D

[ronpaulhawaii]

Good thing Joseph wasn't there! :D

+1 - lol

I am a "big tent" guy and I think we would be better off if we look past the all the labels and find points of agreement to build on. For certain, the "liberal" label was hijacked long before the "conservative" one, and the criminals we have justifiable hostility to, are neither...

:eek:We're being neo-conned by the neo-libs:eek:

:D

[tonesforjonesbones]

I'm not crazy about her..she's a bolshevik communist type. tones

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

Naomi was just lovely. She told me that she admired all of us for what we are doing. Imagine...we are admired by a liberal???

When will the mindset of exclusion end? How can we exclude anyone when the Ron Paul Revolution was built upon people from all facets of life? The only way to get stronger is to open our arms and embrace those as they swallow the red pill.

that includes Bob Barr :)


Ya know, this kind of thing sounds great...yea! lets include everyone!
But the reality is, do ya really want to include people who truly believe the the use of state power is a good, or even great thing. Especially those that think if only there side had the power, then they would use it to do all the good they can think off!

I'm not saying Ms. Wolf is like this. I think, as i said in my other post, she may be realizing that 'the state that can give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything you have'. This would be a good thing, if exporsure to the revolution changes people's thinking (it'd be less good if it caused the revolution to adopt their thinking...if only WE had the power...).

Finally, I could care less what she looks like, I'm much more interested in her mind (at least i tell my wife this :) )

I'd like opposing idealogies to try to persuade people using the power and weight of their arguments, not the power of the state. Ms. Wolf is vehemently opposed to porn, she thinks it degrades women, makes men not want the real women they are with, etc. She should be persuading people to not purchase porn, not trying to legislate it away. (which she may be trying now, it was an older article by her that i read, but you get my point, most "causes" should try to take this approach, including the right with social issues. Don't like gambleing or alcohol, talk em out of it)

[Primbs]

She admits that she is realizing more and more that he is so right. The constitution is more important than anything else. Even though she has never hung out with us before, she knows she is among friends.

The 1st part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKUP7M-AtSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMeLaFzxxBU

[Oyate]

Howdy folks, Oyate here. I just wanted to interject some objectivity into this thread. Restore some sense of truth. I can tell you exactly what happened in the Naomi speech, I was standing right there. And I'm not doing this to be popular or authoritative or anything, I just think the truth should be told exactly how it happened.

First thing is Naomi got up on stage and immediately started getting bigger. She grew to almost 30 feet tall and then sprouted these massive claws and began tearing holes in the lawn. And then she gained the ability to breathe fire and we lost, oh, about 300 people in the first 10 seconds. It was horrible, but if that weren't bad enough, she started stomping on people and she didn't get that many, but lots of us got trampled by each other as we tried to escape. Meanwhile, me and the marshals and the Capitol Hill Police are fully opened fire with our .40 side arms, but this had absolutely no effect on this seemingly unstoppable liberal female.

But in the end, the massive resources of the combined military forces of the United States Ovumercka brought her down. And it just goes to show you that anything we find different or vaguely offensive, we will withhold no cost or sacrifice whatsoever. And if they interrupt our cable television, hells man, let 50,000 feminist boogie-monsters loose and we'll consider it target practice.

But never fear Americans, we kept you safe from the 30 foot tall feminimonster. Sleep well tonight knowing you are safe from the insidious forces of the purty lady with the blue eyes. I'm sure with proper counseling you will one day grow beyond this trauma.

Until then, I'll sit by your bed side and caress your brow and tell you "it's ok little one. Nobody can hurt you as long as I'm here. Go to sleep little one."

And I'll say "don't worry little one, daddy took care of the 30 foot tall feminimonster. As a matter of fact, we're having cocktails on Friday".

(C)Oyate. (Coyote?)

[Adam Kokesh]

Oyate, you're a riot! I've read End of America, and it's wonderful. The book that is, not the end of America part. We don't need to be uniform to be unified. I would like to think that the broadest applicable term for this movement would be "Anti-Fascism," but since that turns a lot of people off, I'm happy calling it the Freedom Movement. And a lot of people are attracted to that. The Freedom Movement should include all principled, passionate, caring, thoughtful, informed people in this country as long as they don't believe in the principles of big gov't. A lot of them will be left-leaning, and a lot of them will be (already are) right-leaning. We need them all!

I don't think being a feminist, by definition, makes you left-leaning necessarily. For the record, as much as I love Wolf, you can tell she's left leaning because, "take away guns" isn't one of her ten steps!

[Mini-Me]

Oyate, you're a riot! I've read End of America, and it's wonderful. The book that is, not the end of America part. We don't need to be uniform to be unified. I would like to think that the broadest applicable term for this movement would be "Anti-Fascism," but since that turns a lot of people off, I'm happy calling it the Freedom Movement. And a lot of people are attracted to that. The Freedom Movement should include all principled, passionate, caring, thoughtful, informed people in this country as long as they don't believe in the principles of big gov't. A lot of them will be left-leaning, and a lot of them will be (already are) right-leaning. We need them all!

I don't think being a feminist, by definition, makes you left-leaning necessarily. For the record, as much as I love Wolf, you can tell she's left leaning because, "take away guns" isn't one of her ten steps!

I do feel like leaving out any mention of gun confiscation was a bit of intellectual dishonesty on her part, but I'm very glad she spoke and had a good time. Having friendly relations with "liberals" is important, and working together on issues we agree on is much more effective than working separately. After all, unlike free market competition, political competition is all about sheer numbers. Plus, building trust and understanding is really the only way we'll ever persuade them to change their opinions on economic issues (and the importance of property rights).

I honestly worry more about our differences with mainstream "conservatives," because many seem to be apologists for outright big brother authoritarianism, and that kind of ideological divide can be very difficult to bridge.

P.S. Oyate, I think you should look into directing another Starship Troopers movie. ;)
P.P.S. Naomi may be a "radical" feminist, but at least she's not one of the totally crazy ones...you know, the ones that really, really hate men and can't wait for the biological sciences to make sexless procreation possible (so they can "eliminate" the men without humans going extinct). ;)

[Kludge]

neo-libs

Neo-liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) was already taken....

The new Nanny State liberals are called "Modern Liberals" (New Liberalism). Mod-Libs?

[Mini-Me]

Neo-liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) was already taken....

The new Nanny State liberals are called "Modern Liberals" (New Liberalism). Mod-Libs?

Yuck. All of these labels get pretty confusing...especially considering, unless I'm mistaken, that the term neoliberal was also used to define the nanny state liberals when they emerged around the Wilson-FDR-ish era.

[Sir VotesALot]

If anything it's a great tool to have a liberal talking about fascism.

Liberals have been complaining about fascism since the 1920's.

[V4Vendetta]

Yes Naomi is a liberal, that endorsed Obama a few months ago, but since he voted for FISA, I think she is starting to see the light.

Believe me, she knows enough, that she'll see the light soon enough.

[raiha]

First thing is Naomi got up on stage and immediately started getting bigger. She grew to almost 30 feet tall and then sprouted these massive claws and began tearing holes in the lawn. And then she gained the ability to breathe fire and we lost, oh, about 300 people in the first 10 seconds. It was horrible, but if that weren't bad enough, she started stomping on people and she didn't get that many, but lots of us got trampled by each other as we tried to escape. Meanwhile, me and the marshals and the Capitol Hill Police are fully opened fire with our .40 side arms, but this had absolutely no effect on this seemingly unstoppable liberal female.

Yeah I saw all that too. In fact I'm one of the ones she stomped on. Got a 666 imprint on my forehead to prove it.

Divide and compartmentalize good strategies for consistently not succeeding. We were given a discriminating faculty...I fear it has been consigned to the tip of the appendix and is probably one of the most under utilized faculties we humans have the great misfortune not to use!Jesus, Mary and all the weeping virgins this imbecilic "she's a liberal so she's all bad" has got to stop!!!!

[Ozwest]

Liberals have been complaining about fascism since the 1920's.

The more people that illustrate the fact that America is becoming a corporate - fascist state... The better.