From the UK: GOP may DUMP McCAIN....

[wgadget]

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article5423.html

[torchbearer]

This is why we all need to be in St. Paul.

[rockandrollsouls]

This article is basically a pure, speculative opinion from some random guy in an apartment. You can't be taking this seriously :o. Give me some evidence, please.

[torchbearer]

This article is basically a pure, speculative opinion from some random guy in an apartment. You can't be taking this seriously :o. Give me some evidence, please.

WHy would the GOP nominate someone who is trailing in the polls by 15% when nader and barr are included?
They'd be admitting defeat from the beginning.

[RSLudlum]

WHy would the GOP nominate someone who is trailing in the polls by 15% when nader and barr are included?
They'd be admitting defeat from the beginning.


The funny thing seems to be that the only candidate at this time that could pull votes from nader, barr, baldwin, and possibly Obama is RP. ;)

[rockandrollsouls]

WHy would the GOP nominate someone who is trailing in the polls by 15% when nader and barr are included?
They'd be admitting defeat from the beginning.

Who will they elect that supposedly "knows security and the war" like McCain? It's pure speculation, and they way they are throwing muscle behind Mccain I find it hard to believe they'd dump him. If they wanted a completely different choice than McCain they had it before Ron dropped out. I just think the idea is too far fetched now.

The most they can hope for is to give McCain a decent running mate.

[Avalon]

At this point, I don't think its up to the GOP...enough delegates are locked into voting McCain to ensure his nomination unless he drops out first.

[wgadget]

Well, of course, it's just speculation...It's a blog.

Unfortunately, the blogger doesn't mention Ron Paul, but we don't need him to.




John McCain - Will He or Won't He Be Nominated in September

Writer Steve Rosenbaum thinks maybe not, and if so, it will be a "genuine September Surprise." Why so? He thinks around mid-August, he and/or the party will decide he can't win, but he'll cite health or another excuse for dropping out. True or not, he looks bumbling and uncertain on stage and at times like he's about "to keel over."

As bad or worse, he's got tepid Christian right support. The public sees him as pro-war as George Bush, and they want the Iraq one at least ended. Further, Bush's endorsement is a kiss of death, and he may rue the day he got it. That along with his temper, unpredictable flip-flops, and a legion of enemies on the Hill make him vulnerable to stepping down or being dumped. But not to "sit this one out" and hand Obama the election, according to Rosenbaum. Not this time at least when Republicans plan to win and keep the presidency even though Democrats seem poised for big congressional gains.

They'll do it the same way as in 2004, electoral fraud aside. They'll "swift boat" Obama John Kerry-style, dig up any dirt they can find, play up the race card, call him soft on national defense, say he plans to raise taxes, whatever it takes to tear down a candidate who looks like a winner - and do it with a fresh new face, but a well-known conservative one or at least conservative enough. The possibilities range from Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell to Michael Bloomberg, Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar with a host of others as well - all without McCain's baggage.

Can it happen? Why not, according to Rosenbaum, and he's not alone thinking it. It may be Republicans best chance to win, although changing horses this late ups the odds against it. Nonetheless, some party faithful want a bona fide conservative and nearly anyone but McCain. Others hate his flip-flops and at least one calls him the most flawed candidate ever and the Republican from Hanoi, referring to allegations that he got preferential POW treatment after his father, Admiral JS McCain, became CINCPAC Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command over all Vietnam force

[american.swan]

The possibility of a whole sale rebellion at the convention is a pipe dream that won't happen. Mostly because the powers will make sure he wins the nomination even if by some act of GOD there was a whole sale rebellion.

[cska80]

Doesn't anyone realize that it's not the Republicans turn for the presidency? Stop pretending like the people in power are stupid and that's why they do 'stupid' things. They aren't stupid. If they were, they wouldn't have kept their power for decades on end. The only logical conclusion for the Republican party to nominate John McCain is to lose. There is no one who can look at you with a straight face and say "yeah, I think he can win."

[rockandrollsouls]

I'll blog about how Ron Paul was prohecized in the Bible and he will part the Atlantic ocean, walk across, solve the problem in the middle east, and cleanse the world of evil.

I wonder how many people will believe it :p

[Allen72289]

Neocons are not satisfied with McCain.

On some of their forums they'll whine how they know obomba will beat mccain.

Wtf. Why would they elect an unelectable candidate in the first place?

[nbhadja]

The records also revealed:

-- a history of kidney stones;

-- high cholesterol;

-- nasal allergies;

-- a recent colonoscopy in which six benign polyps were removed;

-- occasional brief episodes of "benign postitional vertigo" (dizziness) when he stands up too quickly, but it's "not a precursor for a stroke;" and

-- a "significantly reduced range of motion" in his shoulders, arms and right knee from his wartime injuries and as a POW.

Overall, he was pronounced healthy and cancer-free.

He takes simvastatin for high cholesterol; hydrochlorothiazide for kidney stone prevention; aspirin to prevent blood clots; the antihistamine Zyrtec for nasal allergies; Ambien CR to aid sleep while traveling; and a multivitamin.

I would be so happy if McCain wakes up dead one of these days soon.

[No1ButPaul08]

McCain could drop out tomorrow and RP still wouldn't get the nomination. The sooner we get this through our heads the better

[tomveil]

McCain could drop out tomorrow and RP still wouldn't get the nomination. The sooner we get this through our heads the better

+1

GOP gains more by losing to Obama than by winning with Paul.

[Menthol Patch]

Ron Paul can still get the nomination if there are enough people at the convention that realize McCain can't win!

Remember, it's only the top 2% of the people in the GOP that are totally corrupt and want the GOP to lose.

[Kalifornia]

No way, the NeoCons have duct taped themselves to the mast of this ship, they are gonna ride this storm or go down in it.

they are delusional.

[No1ButPaul08]

Ron Paul can still get the nomination if there are enough people at the convention that realize McCain can't win!

Remember, it's only the top 2% of the people in the GOP that are totally corrupt and want the GOP to lose.

Sadly, the top 2% you speak of make up most of the delegates. These people are the ultimate party hacks.

[pacelli]

Alexander Cockburn described him last February in a CounterPunch article: "a dunderhead in statecraft, devoid of self control, capricious in moral standards and an imbecile in his lack of political judgment."

[AJ Antimony]

I don't think any Republican can win after 8 years of Bush.

[NEPA_Revolution]

I don't think any Republican can win after 8 years of Bush.

+1, unless you slam Bush like no one ever before, its an impossible task.

[daviddee]

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[Akus]

Doesn't anyone realize that it's not the Republicans turn for the presidency? Stop pretending like the people in power are stupid and that's why they do 'stupid' things. They aren't stupid. If they were, they wouldn't have kept their power for decades on end. The only logical conclusion for the Republican party to nominate John McCain is to lose. There is no one who can look at you with a straight face and say "yeah, I think he can win."

trust me, I've met those people....:rolleyes: and they're not even paid republican party employees

[No1ButPaul08]

If it plays out.... Obama will be president, the economy will go into a mini-depression, war will spark up with Iran, Volcker will pork rates to the moon to keep inflation in check, gold will skyrocket...

"Jimmy Carter" serves one term and then "Ronald Reagan" comes into office.

-dd

Who do you think the GOP is the next, "Ronald Reagan" in this scenario? I know who I think it is, but wondering who you were thinking.

[Akus]

Who do you think the GOP is the next, "Ronald Reagan" in this scenario? I know who I think it is, but wondering who you were thinking.

who do you think it is?

[RoamZero]

Who do you think the GOP is the next, "Ronald Reagan" in this scenario? I know who I think it is, but wondering who you were thinking.

If I had to guess today with the current state of the GOP I would guess Huckabee. Hopefully we can change that however. However Huckabee is not one to be underestimated since he stole a lot of Ron Paul's thunder and captured a lot of the evangelical types. (Edit: And unless Obama pulls miracles out of his ass during his tenure, 4 years from now Huckabee will have a much better position as Im sure Obama will piss off Christians so we need plan NOW on things to do against him)

[daviddee]

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[Akus]

Difficult to say... If history is TRULY repeating itself then the "Ronald Reagan" was eliminated this past primary season in favor of "Gerald Ford".

Ron Paul? Mitt Romney? Huckabee?

To be honest with you, I would NOW take any of the above 3...

I can not vote for McCain... it will be Bush's 3rd term.

I can not vote for Obama... it will be Jimmy Carter's second term.

how is mitt or Huck not bush's 3rd term, especially huck?

[Menthol Patch]

Mitt Romney and Huckabee are both just like McCain. They are all hardcore neocons.

The only way for the GOP to WIN is to get a FREEDOM SUPPORTING "libertarian" candidate that not only appears to the "financial conservatism" of the Republican base but also the social liberalism of the Democratic base.

The perfect candidate is Ron Paul!

[No1ButPaul08]

who do you think it is?

I believe that John McCain = Bob Dole, meaning the GOP/RNC does not want to win.

They didn't want Dole to win because he had an independent streak and they were waiting for "their" guy who could be controlled, George W. Bush.

They don't want McCain because he has an independent streak (a crappy one at that) and they are waiting for "their" guy who can be controlled, Mitt Romney.

Also, I think Romney will make his way on to the McCain ticket, which will really show who the GOP establishment is behind.

Matt Towery a columnist/pollster has written/made videos on this very topic.

Will McCain Be Given the Bob Dole Treatment (http://216.131.105.158/opinion/matthew-towery/will-mccain-be-given-the-bob-dole-treatment.html)
Video - McCain gets bamboozled (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/webcasts.aspx?wid=186)
Video - Veepstakes (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/webcasts.aspx?wid=214)(at the end he flat out states the RNC does not want McCain to win)
Let McCain be McCain (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_710_466.aspx)

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[tajitj]

The funny thing seems to be that the only candidate at this time that could pull votes from nader, barr, baldwin, and possibly Obama is RP. ;)

Now that is the truth.

[angelatc]

If I had to guess today with the current state of the GOP I would guess Huckabee. Hopefully we can change that however. However Huckabee is not one to be underestimated since he stole a lot of Ron Paul's thunder and captured a lot of the evangelical types. (Edit: And unless Obama pulls miracles out of his ass during his tenure, 4 years from now Huckabee will have a much better position as Im sure Obama will piss off Christians so we need plan NOW on things to do against him)

The problem with that theory is that Huckabee isn't substantially different than any of the other semi-liberal candidates.

The Republicans have never won when they have run a middle-of-the-road conservative. Bush I won because people thought he was Reagan II. When he raised taxes and started prattling about NAFTA he was booted.

Bush II ran on a much different platform than he governs under. The only reason he survived into a second term (election fraud aside) is that we were in a war.

[kombayn]

Anything can happen. I don't want to get into the things that could happen with John McCain, I'm not trying to wish ill-will towards the man. But, if something does happen where McCain will not be nominated, the Ron Paul Supporters have to be out in droves. Because we'll have a mighty big influence on the people attending the Convention. I personally think they would go with Mitt Romney, which is still suicide for the GOP but the fiscal conservatives have a hard-on for him. If Ron Paul took the nomination, the mainstream media would be in an outrage (except maybe the Situation Room).

[Join The Paul Side]

McCain could drop out tomorrow and RP still wouldn't get the nomination. The sooner we get this through our heads the better


Why don't you and anybody that shares your shallow defeatist mentality do the rest of us a favor and find somewhere else to post your tripe at?

[Knightskye]

Why don't you and anybody that shares your shallow defeatist mentality do the rest of us a favor and find somewhere else to post your tripe at?

Whooooooooooo! :D

[No1ButPaul08]

Why don't you and anybody that shares your shallow defeatist mentality do the rest of us a favor and find somewhere else to post your tripe at?

I shouldn't post the truth?

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

I'll blog about how Ron Paul was prohecized in the Bible and he will part the Atlantic ocean, walk across, solve the problem in the middle east, and cleanse the world of evil.

I wonder how many people will believe it :p

Ron Paul was in the Bible Code.

"Ron E. Paul
headship, mastership
upturn, turnaboout, changeover
little, inferior, tiny, junior
tall, buckthorn, health, bush, shrub"
LOL

http://www.hiddencodes.com/ron-paul.htm

[rp4prez]

If I had to guess today with the current state of the GOP I would guess Huckabee. Hopefully we can change that however. However Huckabee is not one to be underestimated since he stole a lot of Ron Paul's thunder and captured a lot of the evangelical types. (Edit: And unless Obama pulls miracles out of his ass during his tenure, 4 years from now Huckabee will have a much better position as Im sure Obama will piss off Christians so we need plan NOW on things to do against him)

E) None of the above.

It's going to be Rick "Retard" Perry.. the current gov of Texas. ugh.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article5423.html

thank you, baby. :) hehehe but seriously, aren't most of the GOP delegates locked in on Mccain?

[torchbearer]

thank you, baby. :) hehehe but seriously, aren't most of the GOP delegates locked in on Mccain?

polls say only 13% of the GOP is very excited about their candidate.
Their is no loyalty to McCain, only to party.
With the right shepards at the right time... the sheep will follow. Especially if you can make them feel "good" about it.
Diamond technique.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

polls say only 13% of the GOP is very excited about their candidate.
Their is no loyalty to McCain, only to party.
With the right shepards at the right time... the sheep will follow. Especially if you can make them feel "good" about it.
Diamond technique.

Yes, but I don't think Ron Paul gets to even speak to the delegates. If not, it's going to be a neocon weekend of spoon fed bullshit.

[torchbearer]

Yes, but I don't think Ron Paul gets to even speak to the delegates. If not, it's going to be a neocon weekend of spoon fed bullshit.

I still believe a huge presence in St. Paul of a Ron Paul "delegation" at a bigger, more excited convention could go a long way...

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I still believe a huge presence in St. Paul of a Ron Paul "delegation" at a bigger, more excited convention could go a long way...

Possibly, don't get your hopes up. They're more likely to nominate a romney or a huckabee over a Ron Paul.

[torchbearer]

Possibly, don't get your hopes up. They're more likely to nominate a romney or a huckabee over a Ron Paul.

I'm thinking long term. Imagine a not so loyal mccain delegate who see a better party going on across the street... he may be reminded of what is require for the GOP to be successful. Have activist who are excited about their candidate.

[reduen]

I am not sure why you good folks have not figured it out yet but they really do not care if McCocain wins or not....

As Mr. Sheuer said this weekend, "There is not a dimes bit of difference between him and Obahama."

Republicans/Democrates it is all a show now......

[armstrong]

its not over till the fat lady sings

[belian78]

E) None of the above.

It's going to be Rick "Retard" Perry.. the current gov of Texas. ugh.

this would have to be my guestimate too.

[armstrong]

the president with the stroke of his pen can change so much in this country,,
price freeze even for 90 days,,while audit goes through of government spending,,
enforce existing laws on border control,
bring home the troops,
balance fair trade,
rain in using veto power on pork barrel spending,
gold standard,
their is so much a president can do,
that is why I say can we survive as a nation (financially speaking) for 4 more years if policy at the top level does not change now..I just scratch the surface on what a president can do.

[Join The Paul Side]

Mitt Romney and Huckabee are both just like McCain. They are all hardcore neocons.

The only way for the GOP to WIN is to get a FREEDOM SUPPORTING "libertarian" candidate that not only appears to the "financial conservatism" of the Republican base but also the social liberalism of the Democratic base.

The perfect candidate is Ron Paul!

The GOP also needs a candidate that is agaist the Iraq War and halt sabre rattling against Iran.

Yes, Ron Paul also fits this discription. :D

[clintontj72]

Digg it here!

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_Nomination_at_Risk_as_Republicans_Start_t o_Panic

[silus]

A lot of Conservatives are of the mindset that Obama needs to win in order to fill in and reestablish the ranks of the Republican party.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Not gonna happen.