Bob Barr more popular than Ron Paul in NH?

[Alex Libman]

From ThirdPartyWatch.com -- New Hampshire politics prof bewildered by Barr’s poll results in his state (http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/11/new-hampshire-politics-prof-bewildered-by-barrs-poll-results-in-his-state/) --


Dante Scala teaches American politics at the University of New Hampshire, and he's frankly bewildered (http://www.politickernh.com/dantescala/2358/zogby-look-out-libertarians-are-coming) by the recent Zogby poll results that show these results:

Obama: 40
McCain: 37
(national Libertarian Party candidate) Bob Barr: 10
Nader: 2

The reason for his puzzlement? In January Ron Paul got some 18,000 votes in the New Hampshire GOP primary. If you assume that every one of these Granite State citizens now plans to vote for Barr, that still amounts to just 2% to 3% of the expected turnout in November. "So Barr at 10 percent right now is tough to believe."

Whatever. Professor Scala's analysis still ends with a bottom line that says "the presence of third parties [will] likely hurt McCain more than Obama" in the state.



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I guess this means liberty is growing in the Live-Free-or-Die state! :cool:

[HOLLYWOOD]

Unless ALL the 3rd parties put their differences aside, compromise a bit, and UNITE ... the 3rd party WILL ALWAYS BE, just a minor trump card to selecting the lesser of 2 evils.

[Roxi]

zogby = Fu*k you FRANK!!

[Anti Federalist]

Where the fuck were these people in January, huh?:mad::mad::mad:

[tonesforjonesbones]

To be honest with you, the media has not labled Bob Barr a Kook and a Pinhead. The media has been good to Bob Barr. I suggest the Republican Party did Ron Paul in..and the Libertarian Party is behind Bob Barr. The crashing of Ron Paul was due to his OWN PARTY..that is why I left the GOP and I hope Ron Paul is the ONLY republican left in congress in November...and the GOP can stick it in their ear. TONES (that ferguson guy in NH...I believe he and his cohorts sabatoged Ron Paul)

[Bruno]

You make a good point, Tones.

[Kludge]

Ron Paul was hit hard by his "racist" newsletter & remarks ("Black teens can be unbelievably fleet of foot"). Luckily, Barr does not have this baggage. I'm interested to see what the MSM creates by next month.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Thanks Bruno...does anyone remember all the hoopla that was going on around the time of the NH primary, with Jane and Ferguson ..all that stuff posted on The Daily Paul..and we called and blew up the phones at the New Hampshire Republican Headquarters? I sure do...and Jane kept saying "don't blame NH, don't blame Ferguson" etc etc? I always believed the NH GOP sabatoged Ron Paul. TONES

[dannno]

I guess this means liberty is growing in the Live-Free-or-Die state! :cool:

Eh, didn't you pay attention to the recount??

Ron Paul got gypsied.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Kludge..you are right...whether that was true or not...it was real bad for Dr. Paul. The REPUBLICANS again ..exposed those newsletters. Sure did. That stupid guy with that blog..whatever it's called.(stupid Neo con) The GOP did it. They hate Ron Paul. Delay tried to get Ron Paul gerrymandered out of his district in TX. He failed. I don't know why in the world he stays in that party..unless of course, he just wants to be a representative. In that case..we're lucky to have him and I hope Chuck Baldwin will run for congress. We need him and more like him to work with Ron Paul . Tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

I never did hear how Ron Paul did in that recount? What were the numbers? tones

[Anti Federalist]

To be honest with you, the media has not labled Bob Barr a Kook and a Pinhead. The media has been good to Bob Barr. I suggest the Republican Party did Ron Paul in..and the Libertarian Party is behind Bob Barr. The crashing of Ron Paul was due to his OWN PARTY..that is why I left the GOP and I hope Ron Paul is the ONLY republican left in congress in November...and the GOP can stick it in their ear. TONES (that ferguson guy in NH...I believe he and his cohorts sabatoged Ron Paul)

I can't disagree with that.

There's only one problem: NH has open primaries. This ten percent, where was it then?

[tonesforjonesbones]

I don't know..but it seemed like thost polls turned out to be pretty darn accurate. I couldn't see it at the time, and there was all the talk about cell phones..etc..but the polls were close. tones

[CUnknown]

YES Hollywood!

3rd parties of the US, UNITE!!!!

[torchbearer]

If we are talking about percentages, it would be unfair to compare percentages if the number of candidates in the poll/race were not the same.

In a two way race, Ron may have gotten 35% or something like that... doesn't mean he has more support than Barr's 10%.
As a sociologist, I spent a lot of time with social statistics.

But Tones does make some valid points. And does beg the question, why was Ron running in a party that was sabotaging his every move?

Does anyone remember what they did in Louisiana? We had this state won.... before super tuesday. they changed the rules and broke about 5 of them to make sure over 600 of our ballots weren't counted, enough to have tipped us into super majority and enough to take over the state GOP. under no circumstance were they going to let that happen.

[tonesforjonesbones]

YES torch..I have a lonnnggg memory..and I don't think I can ever forgive what the Republican Party did to a fine and honest man. It proved to me that my party of 30 years was trash. They still continue to disrespect Ron Paul. I have no faith that the GOP can change unless it is wiped out in November and they start over. TONES

[torchbearer]

YES torch..I have a lonnnggg memory..and I don't think I can ever forgive what the Republican Party did to a fine and honest man. It proved to me that my party of 30 years was trash. They still continue to disrespect Ron Paul. I have no faith that the GOP can change unless it is wiped out in November and they start over. TONES

I agree 100%. Its the only way the current leadership would loose their flocks of sheeple... when they can no longer provide greener grass.
That is why I've stayed republican, I am to take over the wheel after villerie and gang get beheaded by their followers for losing every race.

The time magazine article even mentions the LALPs role in causing a Republican loss in a "republican" district. and we will continue to do so.

I guess you can say, in a way i'm a double agent. a libertarian seeking to remove neocons from the rep. party while helping the lp help me do so.
The first republican elected to the lalp central committee, though i've been a member of it for years.
Held the position of Vice-chair for awhile.

[tonesforjonesbones]

So you are in LA? I'm going to n'awlins at the end of this month. Excited! TONES

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Kludge..you are right...whether that was true or not...it was real bad for Dr. Paul. The REPUBLICANS again ..exposed those newsletters. Sure did.

As I understood it, it was actually... republicans, racists, and anti-racists working together. Republicans did the most damage overall, though.

And as far as NH people falling for it, I guess that's too bad for them and us. I won't be surprised if america never has a chance like this again.

[torchbearer]

So you are in LA? I'm going to n'awlins at the end of this month. Excited! TONES

I lived in New Orleans prior to Katrina. Now i'm in the middle of the state.
But a lot of my friends are still down there.
I was well know in the quarter. Liberty minded politicians are more than welcome in the city of sin.

[muh_roads]

Unless ALL the 3rd parties put their differences aside, compromise a bit, and UNITE ... the 3rd party WILL ALWAYS BE, just a minor trump card to selecting the lesser of 2 evils.

When it comes to the Constitutionalist party vs the Libertarian Party, I have to agree. Just join together. Barr & Baldwin should be on the same ticket. Pointless to fight.

Nader on the other hand can take his socialist ass somewhere else.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Ron Paul was hit hard by his "racist" newsletter & remarks ("Black teens can be unbelievably fleet of foot"). Luckily, Barr does not have this baggage. I'm interested to see what the MSM creates by next month.

hmm. but isn't that a compliment?

[Kludge]

hmm. but isn't that a compliment?

I don't know. I thought it was some.... ghetto euphemism. ;)

[Mini-Me]

When it comes to the Constitutionalist party vs the Libertarian Party, I have to agree. Just join together. Barr & Baldwin should be on the same ticket. Pointless to fight.

Nader on the other hand can take his socialist ass somewhere else.

I have to agree with you: In Ron Paul, the Libertarian and Constitution Parties finally found a candidate with a platform they can both agree upon...when before, they were never able to come to such a compromise. It's unbelievable that their party leaders haven't decided to join together and use Ron Paul's ideas as their official platform.

[hypnagogue]

The only thing that bugs me about those newsletters is that Dr. Paul certainly could have discovered who wrote those issues if he had truly wanted to.

[Mini-Me]

The only thing that bugs me about those newsletters is that Dr. Paul certainly could have discovered who wrote those issues if he had truly wanted to.

Unless I'm mistaken, I do believe he might know...but that he just doesn't think clearing his own name is worth ruining the life of whoever it was. Some believe it was a younger, more calculating (but foolish) Lew Rockwell trying to pander to lowest common denominator white nationalists for grass roots support (http://www.reason.com/news/show/124426.html). Considering all the good Rockwell has done since, "outing him" would not only ruin him, but it would unfairly stigmatize all of his other work (lewrockwell.com, mises.org, etc.).

[Johnnybags]

Ghouls,Huckabee,Mitt, etc were still in then. It does not surprise me those who voted for them were not happy about McCain and if Paul was on the ticket now, he would be getting more than 10 percent in NH in a three way. Its apples and oranges. But it does show McCain is going to get clocked. Wait til the debates, he will look a frail,feebleminded politician. He needs cue cards now everywhere he goes just to be able keep from sounding totally nonsensical.

[Mini-Me]

Ghouls,Huckabee,Mitt, etc were still in then. It does not surprise me those who voted for them were not happy about McCain and if Paul was on the ticket now, he would be getting more than 10 percent in NH in a three way. Its apples and oranges. But it does show McCain is going to get clocked. Wait til the debates, he will look a frail,feebleminded politician. He needs cue cards now everywhere he goes just to be able keep from sounding totally nonsensical.

You make a good point. Also, I think it's worth noting that Bob Barr is simply less "scary" than Ron Paul to the mainstream voter, since Bob Barr is somewhat more mainstream himself.

[tonesforjonesbones]

well..i thoroughly enjoyed nawlins...I want to move there. lol. The GOP ruined Ron Paul. He embarrasses them with the facts. I am so disheartened that the Ron Paul supporters from my meet up group who stayed in the GOP are now backing McCain. I dont' think they learned one thing. Not a thing. SMH. Tones

[Mini-Me]

well..i thoroughly enjoyed nawlins...I want to move there. lol. The GOP ruined Ron Paul. He embarrasses them with the facts. I am so disheartened that the Ron Paul supporters from my meet up group who stayed in the GOP are now backing McCain. I dont' think they learned one thing. Not a thing. SMH. Tones

Are you kidding me? They're backing MCCAIN, OF ALL PEOPLE? That's utterly disheartening. If even people who joined Ron Paul Meetup groups are willing to vote for McCain, this country is doomed. :(

[tonesforjonesbones]

YES..they are backing McCain. One of them I consider an opportunist and used the Ron Paul meet up to lift himself up because he is running for some office now as a GOP..but he was UP McCains' butt yesterday when McCain was here in my town..and the rest of them follwed him like sheep. I said something on the meet up email about them being sell outs. You can't believe the sort of emails they sent back to me. I should publish them in the local newspaper since that jerk is running for office now LOL. I won't though. I am totally disappointed with these "Ron Paul " supporters. Tones