Ron Paul vs Obama

[Elwar]

Ok, if we believe that our online support and grassroots effort will translate into a primary win for Ron Paul (which we do) we cannot ignore the fact that Obama has a huge following by Democrats on the Internet.

So...aside from the obvious points of Ron Paul being kick ass and the fact that he r0xx0rz and Obama is a socialist n00b, what would a Ron Paul vs Obama general election look like?

[bcmiller]

Obama is a brilliant speaker and debater. However he would need to be if we had the national glare focused on thier respective records and positions.

It would be an odd scene with the guy who has used the Iraq war to distance himself from Hillary is now the hawkish candidate since "redeploy" isn't the same as "just come home".

MSM could no longer ignore Ron Paul and he would electrify the nation. Even those addicted to handouts wouldn't mind no more IRS and no war on drugs. I am heavily biased, admittedly, but I would welcome that matchup.

[Brasil Branco]

Ron Paul can't beat Obama. I can see him taking Edwards or Hillary, but Obama is just too powerful a candidate- he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet, and draws HUGE support from the young demographic, African-Americans and Hispanics. However, I don't think he will win- too many people want to relelect Bill Clinton.

In a two person race- Ron Paul can beat Clinton just with his record, but it will be much more difficult with Obama.

[DjLoTi]

1 term senator vs. 20 year congressman. It'd be painful to watch. lol

[BenIsForRon]

I'm totally convinced Ron Paul would squash anyone in a one on one debate. We just have to get him to that point, and he can take it from there.

[JoshLowry]

It would be an electric election.

Obama is the only Dem who could prevent a Ron Paul landslide victory. I think Dr. Paul would win, but not by a huge margin.

[risiusj]

The old-timers would see Ron Paul's strong Christianity and put that against Obama being black.
Along with virtually everyone knowing who Ron Paul is, I don't see how he could lose.

[ladyliberty]

President Barak Hussien Obama? You gotta be kidding right???

That would be like electing someone named President Lenin Stalin Hilter!

[Trance Dance Master]

President Barak Hussien Obama? You gotta be kidding right???

That would be like electing someone named President Lenin Stalin Hilter!
Agreed. Here's to Paul v Obama in '08!

[Chibioz]

I have confidence in Ron. I think if he is given fair exposure that he will be more than able to overcome anyone he is up against.

[jjschless]

Obama is great at rhetoric but he loses woefully in a battle of ideas, which just happens to be Dr. Paul's Strength. Kucinich is more of a threat than Obama.

[marcodee]

President Barak Hussien Obama? You gotta be kidding right???

That would be like electing someone named President Lenin Stalin Hilter!

I hear Obama has LEGITIMATE black children too... just wait until his grassroots hears this!

[Wyurm]

Obama is fluffy. If you attempt to pin him on an issue he gets vey vague. Unless hes speaking to illegal immigrants, then he specifically tells them that he marched with them in the Chicago marches and will get them amnesty for sure. I still ponder why someone would try to gain the illegal immigrant vote since I could have sworn that Illegal aliens could not vote. :rolleyes:

[V-rod]

Maybe its just me, but many of Obama's supporters on the internet seem a tad lazy. They don't mind adding him to their myspace or facebook, but when it comes to go to the polls, a sizeable percentage will probably just sit around and wait for the Nov. election. Unlike them we know the stakes and we will bring all our friends and family to vote starting this December.

[Original_Intent]

Ron vs. anyone, in a 1-on-1 matchup and being able to actually get someh=where near equal time to explain, Ron is going to own them every time. The only way they can beat him is to ignore him and say he can't win.

[rich34]

Maybe I'm a little naive, but I do not see Obama to be the threat that some of you are making him out to be. I can gurantee you alot of old fashioned hardcore democrats would NOT vote for Obama if Ron is on the other side. Hillary is in the same boat. The reason I say this is because my dad is a hardcore straight ticket blue collar democrat. He's already said he will not be voting for neither of the two if they make it to the general election and I'll let you guys use your imagination as to why lol.

[maiki]

Personally, I see pretty much all candidates as a threat. Why: lobbies, corporations and politicians all stand to lose if RP wins, whether Republican or Democrat. He doesn't bend to the will of lobbies and would cut subsidies and probably give less power and money to politicians in general. I think the Republican party would rather have a Democrat in the White house than RP. I think Media Corporations would rather have anyone in the White house that was not RP. For that reason, I see everyone as a threat. That is how I explain all the hostility towards Ron Paul even from within the Republican Party even though he embodies their ideals.

From Chesterton:

"A LAST INSTANCE

And now, as this book is drawing to a close, I will whisper in the reader's ear a horrible suspicion that has sometimes haunted me: the suspicion that Hudge and Gudge are secretly in partnership. That the quarrel they keep up in public is very much of a put-up job, and that the way in which they perpetually play into each other's hands is not an everlasting coincidence. Gudge, the plutocrat, wants an anarchic industrialism; Hudge, the idealist, provides him with lyric praises of anarchy. Gudge wants women-workers because they are cheaper; Hudge calls the woman's work "freedom to live her own life." Gudge wants steady and obedient workmen, Hudge preaches teetotalism-- to workmen, not to Gudge--Gudge wants a tame and timid population who will never take arms against tyranny; Hudge proves from Tolstoi that nobody must take arms against anything. Gudge is naturally a healthy and well-washed gentleman; Hudge earnestly preaches the perfection of Gudge's washing to people who can't practice it. Above all, Gudge rules by a coarse and cruel system of sacking and sweating and bi-sexual toil which is totally inconsistent with the free family and which is bound to destroy it; therefore Hudge, stretching out his arms to the universe with a prophetic smile, tells us that the family is something that we shall soon gloriously outgrow.

I do not know whether the partnership of Hudge and Gudge is conscious or unconscious. I only know that between them they still keep the common man homeless. I only know I still meet Jones walking the streets in the gray twilight, looking sadly at the poles and barriers and low red goblin lanterns which still guard the house which is none the less his because he has never been in it."

[rodent]

I hear Obama has LEGITIMATE black children too... just wait until his grassroots hears this!

Why is this crap tolerated on this forum? I'm not voting for Obama, but wtf. Way to alienate potential new black RP supporters.

[Politeia]

President Barak Hussien Obama? You gotta be kidding right???

That would be like electing someone named President Lenin Stalin Hilter!

1) You could have the courtesy to spell his name right: Barack Hussein Obama.

2) This is crap. George Washington and George Bush both have the same personal name; does that make them equivalent in any way? Hussein in various spellings is as common a name in the Arab/Muslim world as George is in the West, and for similar reasons: it was the name of a highly revered person in the past.

I don't care a whit what a person's name is; if he supports the values on which America was founded, I'm for him. America was founded on a set of principles, not on race, creed, color, ethnicity, or any of the other group attributes on which previous nations were founded.

If you wish to support Ron Paul, I'd suggest you express that support with the same courtesy and decorum that characterize Dr. Paul's public statements and actions.

[RevolutionSD]

Obama is CFR, meaning, he is a bad guy that will take us to war.

I happen not to like his style, he does not appear to be his own man and often repeats DNC talking points. He is young, he has that going for him. He is an okay speaker, but not great.

I quite frankly do not see the great appeal with Obama. He is basically the same old CFR Democrat, only he has a more appealing personality than Hillary.

[surf]

ideally, Obama would morph into Ron Paul on many important issues. i can't even imagine it being a win-win, but if the debate is turned into who wants less government and less war, we're all a little bit better off.

[Broadlighter]

Ron Paul would own Obama on many fronts intellectually, but it could turn into a Kennedy/Nixon kind of perception is reality situation.

The major point that Ron Paul would score BIG on is his understanding of the Constitutional role of the executive. Obama has already indicated he would exercise the commander-in-chief prerogative with regard to Pakistan. RP knows that it's not the President's role to declare War. Given the recent history with GW Bush, I think the voting public is now more the wiser.

Obama won't know what hit him.

[J4ck]

Obama has no chance...just MSM coverage. 70% of his 'supporters' will not vote anyway.

[J4ck]

+face it, racist america -will- vote. (hussein, black, 'immigrant', muslim)

[ThePieSwindler]

Obama is great at rhetoric but he loses woefully in a battle of ideas, which just happens to be Dr. Paul's Strength. Kucinich is more of a threat than Obama.

The first part is true, but the kucinich part is only true if he had any chance, but he doesnt. Obama does, he is solidly #2 right now. That being said, I've notcied obama *seems* to be eloquent and a great speaker, but like you say, he loses in a battle of ideas because he has this excellent knack for saying so much so eloquently... yet meaning very little.

[Politeia]

+face it, racist america -will- vote. (hussein, black, 'immigrant', muslim)

He's not Muslim, by the way, at least according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama). Nor is he immigrant; he was born in Honolulu. (If he were immigrant, he couldn't be president, without a Constitutional amendment.)

[Vvick727]

Ron Paul can't beat Obama. I can see him taking Edwards or Hillary, but Obama is just too powerful a candidate- he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet, and draws HUGE support from the young demographic, African-Americans and Hispanics. However, I don't think he will win- too many people want to relelect Bill Clinton.

In a two person race- Ron Paul can beat Clinton just with his record, but it will be much more difficult with Obama.


Whoa whoa whoa there... This guy is a massive liar. And he's damn good at covering it up. This article should be circulated to all Obama supporters:

http://creativeyouth.net/obamaliespeopledie.html

[ThePieSwindler]

Whoa whoa whoa there... This guy is a massive liar. And he's damn good at covering it up. This article should be circulated to all Obama supporters:

http://creativeyouth.net/obamaliespeopledie.html

except that obama happens to be far farlefts on alot of issues.. why does thit article say he has a right wing voting record?

[Vvick727]

except that obama happens to be far farlefts on alot of issues.. why does thit article say he has a right wing voting record?

yeah, i'm not so sure about that. i guess right-wing = neocon to this guy. well his statements on obama's positions are right, i looked up his record to verify

edit: .. or it might just be a typo. there are some in the article

[wgadget]

Ron Paul can't beat Obama. I can see him taking Edwards or Hillary, but Obama is just too powerful a candidate- he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet, and draws HUGE support from the young demographic, African-Americans and Hispanics. However, I don't think he will win- too many people want to relelect Bill Clinton.

In a two person race- Ron Paul can beat Clinton just with his record, but it will be much more difficult with Obama.

I disagree. Obama is green, Ron Paul is seasoned.

I'll take the wisdom over the charisma ANY DAY. Especially in the mess this country is in these days....

[wgadget]

Obama is fluffy. If you attempt to pin him on an issue he gets vey vague. Unless hes speaking to illegal immigrants, then he specifically tells them that he marched with them in the Chicago marches and will get them amnesty for sure. I still ponder why someone would try to gain the illegal immigrant vote since I could have sworn that Illegal aliens could not vote. :rolleyes:

Is that really true? If THAT's the case, Ron's got him nailed.

Immigration is THE NUMBER ONE issue with most Americans.

[J4ck]

He's not Muslim, by the way, at least according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama). Nor is he immigrant; he was born in Honolulu. (If he were immigrant, he couldn't be president, without a Constitutional amendment.)

I know..but tell that rascist america.

[RP08]

I disagree. Obama is green, Ron Paul is seasoned.

I'll take the wisdom over the charisma ANY DAY. Especially in the mess this country is in these days....


Well said.

[jd603]

I agree completely. They will all be fearing it. Obama has no experience and he is just pandering, pandering, pandering. Promiising things our country can't afford. Not addressing the economy at all, doubt he even understands it in the least and he claims to be against iraq yet says we'll bomb pakistan, WTF?

He added himself to the list of pro-war democrats with that one.



I'm totally convinced Ron Paul would squash anyone in a one on one debate. We just have to get him to that point, and he can take it from there.

[bcmiller]

Why is this crap tolerated on this forum? I'm not voting for Obama, but wtf. Way to alienate potential new black RP supporters.

I agree and disagree... Why would it just alienate new black RP supporters? Can't someone just be a decent person too? I think this type of talk alienates any decent American who is tired of people who make decisions about people not as individuals but as groups.

Everyone should reject the idea that the issue with Barrack Obama is his name or ethnicity and shun and ignore the bigots who would make that their objection.

Obama will have many people who support or reject him for reasons that are based on bigotry. My issue with him is that he is yet another person who will play on class warfare to win votes, when the policies he advocates would hurt the very people he proports to help.

[trispear]

Ron Paul can't beat Obama. I can see him taking Edwards or Hillary, but Obama is just too powerful a candidate- he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet, and draws HUGE support from the young demographic, African-Americans and Hispanics. However, I don't think he will win- too many people want to relelect Bill Clinton.

In a two person race- Ron Paul can beat Clinton just with his record, but it will be much more difficult with Obama.

Obama voted for Patriot Act II. That's enough reason for some people.

Ron Paul can beat him.

[Elwar]

Based on online stats back in Aug. '07 it was obvious that it would be Obama vs Paul...

The Obama part was right...

If Ron Paul had Obama's media attention things would be wildly different right now.

How does that feel Hannitiacs?

[JamesButabi]

Based on online stats back in Aug. '07 it was obvious that it would be Obama vs Paul...

The Obama part was right...

If Ron Paul had Obama's media attention things would be wildly different right now.

How does that feel Hannitiacs?


x2....thats the only negative aspect of Ron Paul. He is neglected and shunned by the MSM. I have no problem whatsoever of educating Obama supporters and making them see the light. The problem is, most people are starting from ground zero, because they 1)They dont even know who he is. 2) They dont initially understand how his policies are possible