Bay of Pigs/Bay of Photoshop!!

[Knightskye]

Digg it:
http://digg.com/world_news/There_s_something_fishy_about_those_Iran_missile_p ictures_h

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/?hp

Apparently, pictures that were shown on the news, showing Iran launching some missiles, were photoshopped to include a fourth missile that wasn't actually there.

I don't really understand it, but here are the pictures (thanks to NYTimes.com):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/10/world/ledemissiles1.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/10/world/ledemissiles2.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/01/science/0709-lede-IRAN.jpg


Unfortunately, it appeared to contain one too many missiles, a point that had not emerged before the photo appeared on the front pages of The Los Angeles Times, The Financial Times, The Chicago Tribune and several other newspapers as well as on BBC News, MSNBC, Yahoo! News, NYTimes.com and many other major news Web sites.

Imagine what other mistakes they might not catch before it reaches the front pages of newspapers, or TV news networks?

[yongrel]

Photojournalists can be pretty bad about this. Some of the more ethically bankrupt will photoshop content in order to improve composition. You see this a lot with stringers especially. Stringers are non-staffers, usually natives of a foreign country, that wire services or papers will hire on an as-needed basis. The stringers only get paid if their photo is run (or if it is a wire service, they get a commission based on how many papers pick it up.)

This motivates the phojos to manipulate their images in order to sell them more readily.

This isn't a case of malevolence; it's just a product of the substandard ethics of photojournalism abroad.

[HOLLYWOOD]

what about the Missile and Mobile Launcher in the foreground, and the distant 'JEEP' vehicle in that one pic?

CROPPED OUT?

[mport1]

Yeah, this story was pretty crazy.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Here's the VIDEO LINK, confirming the PHOTOSHOPPED pics...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8747042&ch=4226714&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8747042&ch=4226714&src=news)

you can pause the video... for comparisons

[Matt Collins]

Fascinating. Who did the image manipulation? Iran or another news source?

[ItsTime]

ya who cropped it? and why?

[Uriel999]

Yeah, is 4 rockets being launched that much different from 3? Oh and even scarier, check drudge, Rice said the US would defend Israel

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080710/D91R7N000.html

And Opec is freaking too

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/10/business/opec.php

Houston, we got a problem...and when I mean problem I mean complete clusterfuck. :mad:

[brandon]

How do we know it is shooped? Did anyone consider that maybe they did more then one missile launch from the same area? Perhaps one time they launched three misiles and another time they launched four. That seems much more plausible

[brandon]

How do we know it is shooped? Did anyone consider that maybe they did more then one missile launch from the same area? Perhaps one time they launched three misiles and another time they launched four. That seems much more plausible

The more I think about it the more positive I am that this was two separate launches in the same area. The pics are not the same at all. There are tons of differences in the pics other then the outlined areas.

[angelatc]

This was news yesterday! We are so slipping up! Or maybe I mean me, because if I saw it yesterday I probably should have posted it, huh?

The cropped pic is reportedly an official Iranian release, Apparently 'shopped to mask the fact that one of their missles didn't fire.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0guG4uX12E4bT/Sepah_News

This is the original image. Or it would be if I could get the link right http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0guG4uX12E4bT/610x.jpg

[Nirvikalpa]

http://i37.tinypic.com/162w7m.png

Where'd the colored dot come from?

Also look closely at the smoke plume on the right. It's darker and more defined... I'll photoshop it...

http://i38.tinypic.com/29g0fgl.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/29pb3py.jpg

[brandon]

http://i37.tinypic.com/162w7m.png

Where'd the colored dot come from?

Also look closely at the smoke plume on the right. It's darker and more defined... I'll photoshop it...

http://i38.tinypic.com/29g0fgl.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/29pb3py.jpg

The photos are clearly from two separate launches. Everything about them is different. It amazes me some of the staunch anti- conspiracy crusaders from the forum are in this thread claiming that this was photoshopped

[Cowlesy]

All this tells me is our nation should not be freaking out about a nation that needs to doctor pictures to make a point.

We are seriously considering bombing the snot out of these people??

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/1/picard-facepalm.jpg

[GunnyFreedom]

The more I think about it the more positive I am that this was two separate launches in the same area. The pics are not the same at all. There are tons of differences in the pics other then the outlined areas.

Look at the miniature mesa and the two little hills -- in the 'original' there is one little hill, and in the photoshop, suddenly there are two. The 'new' hill covers the area where the launcher was in the original, and the tiny mesa is a different shape on the far right hand side in the two photos.

Speaking with some expertise, the one with 4 missiles airborn is an OBVIOUS photoshop. Rocket exhaust does not duplicate it's ground-smoke patterns between two missiles, the two little hills are twins, and the one on the left is just 'floating' without contact with the ground, and finally, an earth formation as large as that miniature mesa does not just 'change' during the course of a couple hours without significant blast damage.

Sorry Brandon; not trying to be a butt here, but trined eyes will tell you that this image is, without a shadow of a doubt, a fake. I will not even begin to delve into WHY this image was faked, nor into who faked it. But find a photoshop expert of your own and grab them up to confirm if you like.

[brandon]

Sorry Brandon

No need to apologize, you made a good point.

Originally I had no clue why they would photoshop something like this, which led to my skepticism. Now I have an idea. That missile launching vehicle looks extremely primitive. Perhaps whoever edited these photos did not want people to see primitive technology. They want to give the impression Iran has a strong modern military.

Then again, maybe they changed the sand bunker between launches. Who knows...

[GunnyFreedom]

No need to apologize, you made a good point.

Originally I had no clue why they would photoshop something like this, which led to my skepticism. Now I have an idea. That missile launching vehicle looks extremely primitive. Perhaps whoever edited these photos did not want people to see primitive technology. They want to give the impression Iran has a strong modern military.

Then again, maybe they changed the sand bunker between launches. Who knows...

My best guess is that one of the rockets failed, and Iran did not want to show the world a launch failure. ::shrug:: I don't really have a clue as to who or why. I just know without the sliver of a doubt that it's a fake.

[tribute_13]

Whats more bullshit is that no one on news is mentioning the fact that this was a response to Israel practicing war games testing if their airplanes can reach Iran. Plus one of the missiles Iran launched failed. So the U.S. is siding with Israel for instigating this and pretending like we feel threatened by a country with a Missile Failure Rate of 25%. lol:rolleyes: Yeah I made that term up, but it sounds cool. I saw those pictures and knew they were photoshopped. SO Iran also doesn't have anyone experienced enough with computers to make a convincing photoshop bmp.

[brandon]

My best guess is that one of the rockets failed, and Iran did not want to show the world a launch failure. ::shrug:: I don't really have a clue as to who or why. I just know without the sliver of a doubt that it's a fake.
Why do you think they would make the "white exhaust" from the rockets more narrow in the edited version?

[GunnyFreedom]

Why do you think they would make the "white exhaust" from the rockets more narrow in the edited version?

I don't think the white exhaust trails are really more narrow, I think the one that was faked was actually a different shot of the same launch, shot maybe 1/2 second after the 'original.' The rockets are slightly higher in the faked shot than in the one being called the 'original.' The longer exhaust trail only makes them LOOK thinner.

[GunnyFreedom]

In other words, I believe that the one being called 'the original' is not actually the source image for the fake. I am thinking that they were taking <snap><snap><snap><snap><snap> multiple pictures of the launch, and the one being here-called 'the original' was taken one <snap> BEFORE the image that was the source of the fake.

[Kraig]

In other words, I believe that the one being called 'the original' is not actually the source image for the fake. I am thinking that they were taking <snap><snap><snap><snap><snap> multiple pictures of the launch, and the one being here-called 'the original' was taken one <snap> BEFORE the image that was the source of the fake.

Which would probably mean that they took a bunch of pictures, edited them to to make it look like as many possible launching at once, to make it more catching to the eye...maybe even a little more threatening. I think that would make sense, probably just someone trying to make his story look good.

[Knightskye]

It amazes me some of the staunch anti- conspiracy crusaders from the forum are in this thread claiming that this was photoshopped

Like the New York Times? Oh wait, they don't post on the forums. :rolleyes:

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

It would be funny if they really only had 1 launcher, and they just took 4 pictures of it in different locations and photoshopped it all together

[sidster]

How do we know it is shooped? Did anyone consider that maybe they did more then one missile launch from the same area? Perhaps one time they launched three misiles and another time they launched four. That seems much more plausible

dude... even the missiles look the same! :rolleyes:

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[Knightskye]

http://thelede.blogs.NYTIMES.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp

In the four-missile version of the image released Wednesday by Sepah News, the media arm of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, two major sections (encircled in red) appear to closely replicate other sections (encircled in orange). (Illustration by The New York Times; photo via Agence France-Presse)

Latest update at 3 p.m. Eastern Agence France-Presse has retracted the image as “apparently digitally altered.” More developments at the bottom of the post.