After Action Report

[Mckarnin]

Some of us have questions and concerns as the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign wraps up and the CFL rises to take its place, others don't.

Vote your thoughts...you can pick more than one option. Please post a comment if you don't find a response that fits.

This poll is anonymous.

[mport1]

I hope before it really gets going the CFL first takes a look at what didn't work in the Presidential campaign to make sure not to make them again. I'd love some kind of confirmation that they are doing so.

[Mckarnin]

I think a lot of people left the forums/being active with the movment because they are frustrated. We need to regain their confidence and pull them back in.



I hope before it really gets going the CFL first takes a look at what didn't work in the Presidential campaign to make sure not to make them again. I'd love some kind of confirmation that they are doing so.

[constituent]

that's intense.

[Mckarnin]

What's intense? The poll?


that's intense.

[brandon]

What's intense? The poll?

Yes. Very intense

[constituent]

What's intense? The poll?

yep.

i don't think you could have made it any more plain.

we'll see where the forums stand, no doubt about that.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yes. Very intense

Yeah, I know many things are very intense for you. Porn and free trade is very intense for Chucky & the CP, that's why you all oppose it.

[Mckarnin]

I tried to make it balanced. If we want a future for this movement that includes those who were the r[evol]ution finding out how they feel about what has been done so far is a good start.


Yes. Very intense

[brandon]

free is very intense for Chucky & the CP,

Yes, Free is very intense.

:confused:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yes, Free is very intense.

:confused:

Free trade. I guess 1+1 is hard, eh

[amy31416]

Thanks for creating the poll. You make a good point about the numbers that we've lost--even if they're voting for Obama or whomever now, they were open to the freedom message at one point and were turned off by something.

I, for one, was particularly turned off by the immigration postcard and, although it was funny at the time, the "he's catchin' on, I'm tellin' ya" ad. I was also pretty perturbed about skipping out on interviews after it was agreed upon.

The best thing I can say, for better or worse, his running did wake a lot of people up to some other possibilities, and I'm one of them. So I have no regrets that he ran, but it was rather amateurish.

[Mckarnin]

The r[evol]ution definitely got a lot of us to be less shy about out political beliefs and hopes for our country. Community is a great start if we can keep it together.



Thanks for creating the poll. You make a good point about the numbers that we've lost--even if they're voting for Obama or whomever now, they were open to the freedom message at one point and were turned off by something.

I, for one, was particularly turned off by the immigration postcard and, although it was funny at the time, the "he's catchin' on, I'm tellin' ya" ad. I was also pretty perturbed about skipping out on interviews after it was agreed upon.

The best thing I can say, for better or worse, his running did wake a lot of people up to some other possibilities, and I'm one of them. So I have no regrets that he ran, but it was rather amateurish.

[RP4Pres2008]

If you feel like things went poorly at times and things need to be done different, then write an article explaining what could be done better.

Don't waste time on this forum.

BTW, no campaign can run perfect...

[constituent]

If you feel like things went poorly at times and things need to be done different, then write an article explaining what could be done better.

Don't waste time on this forum.

BTW, no campaign can run perfect...

I don't think the issue is "perfect"

and i'll gladly write an article, for a small fee.

PM me for where to send the check.

[Mckarnin]

I think it's a good think to review one's performance on one project before moving on to the next. Individuals from this very forum are responsible for much of what is refered to as the r[evol]ution and provided a lot of funding to the campaign. As such I think consulting the forum is a good thing.



If you feel like things went poorly at times and things need to be done different, then write an article explaining what could be done better.

Don't waste time on this forum.

BTW, no campaign can run perfect...

[Tarzan]

If you feel like things went poorly at times and things need to be done different, then write an article explaining what could be done better.

Don't waste time on this forum.

BTW, no campaign can run perfect...

The campaign was sent several such recommendations... some of them rather detailed. I, for one, did not even receive an email response from the campaign... though I know they arrived based on phone conversations with them.

This is not some 20/20 hindsight grumbling... the recommendations and calls for actions were being sent to the campaign well before the beginning of the year.

[RP4Pres2008]

I don't think the issue is "perfect"

and i'll gladly write an article, for a small fee.

PM me for where to send the check.

If it can't run perfect, then now at least we know what to do different next time to be more successful. I mean what is all the groaning about?

Just send me your banking info...I'll wire it to you ;)

[hypnagogue]

Well... I only found two items I could say I felt strongly enough to choose, and they were both negative. I just want to express though that I am reserving judgment on the CFL until there's something to talk about.

PS. What the hell kind of thread hijacking is that, Joseph? C'mon, dude...

[Sandra]

McKarnin, if you felt ill used by the campaign, then you are free to start your own. Just remember that you are required to participate in the same transparancy you require of others. I wish you luck.

[LittleLightShining]

I voted "The materials and ads created by the Campaign were professionally done" but it doesn't necessarily fit my feeling. The printed materials were fantastic. The ads were flaccid and ineffective.


McKarnin, if you felt ill used by the campaign, then you are free to start your own. Just remember that you are required to participate in the same transparancy you require of others. I wish you luck.Wow, Sandra. That was awfully harsh. This is the attitude that alienated the grassroots in the first place, I suspect.

[constituent]

If it can't run perfect, then now at least we know what to do different next time to be more successful. I mean what is all the groaning about?


who is this "we?"

[Mckarnin]

McKarnin, if you felt ill used by the campaign, then you are free to start your own. Just remember that you are required to participate in the same transparancy you require of others. I wish you luck.

Is there anything slanted in the poll? Please tell me if it seems to lean one way or the other unfairly.

If anyone requires transparency of me related to Freedom's Ground or my other public endeavors or asks questions I will happily oblige.

[Sandra]

I voted "The materials and ads created by the Campaign were professionally done" but it doesn't necessarily fit my feeling. The printed materials were fantastic. The ads were flaccid and ineffective.

Wow, Sandra. That was awfully harsh. This is the attitude that alienated the grassroots in the first place, I suspect.


She has a personal vendetta against the CFL. Review her posts.

[constituent]

She has a personal vendetta against the CFL. Review her posts.

a 'personal vendetta?'

did they kill her father or something?

[Sandra]

McKarnin, you are just fishing for attack again. You had issues with most posters and you just caused yourself a lot of flaming.

Just like in your other similar thread today.

[Mckarnin]

Vendetta, no.

A conflict of interest, yes.

That said, what about this poll in any way leans positive or negative or is otherwise unfair towards the CFL?



She has a personal vendetta against the CFL. Review her posts.

[Sandra]

a 'personal vendetta?'

did they kill her father or something?

If so, then that's understandable! :eek:

[Mckarnin]

Actually Liberty Eagle and Ms. Doodahs were the two who were attacking me and you jumped in on the tail end. Most of the posts in that thread were by other people who would also like answers.



McKarnin, you are just fishing for attack again. You had issues with most posters and you just caused yourself a lot of flaming.

Just like in your other similar thread today.

[constituent]

That said, what about this poll in any way leans positive or negative or is otherwise unfair towards the CFL?

Nothing. I'm not certain what the "you're askin' for it," bit was about.

[Sandra]

She's bitching about the CFL not being forthcoming about things she's being vague about. Yet when she was running the blimp thing, she was accused of doing the same by a majority of posters. Now she's pointing a hypocritical finger by saying "look over there!"

I was not involved in all the hullaballoo then, it's just that she's using the forum to stir up non support for something Ron Paul is whole heartily supporting.

[Mckarnin]

I already admitted that there were many things that prevented me from spending more time scouring the forums for blimp questions. That said, I answered hundreds of questions on the forums about the blimp (look at my post history from late November through January) and answered pretty much every email that the blimp project received (close to 3,000) with 1-day turnover once I caught up on the backlog that was there when I arrived.

Additionally you should consider that I was not legally one of the principals on the blimp. I did not have nearly as much control of the blimp project as Ron Paul had of his campaign, employees and now the CFL.

Last but not least how could I be stirring up non-support with a balanced poll?

Edited to add this link: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=46258 It is one of the longer q & a threads that I worked to man during the project. There are many more.



She's bitching about the CFL not being forthcoming about things she's being vague about. Yet when she was running the blimp thing, she was accused of doing the same by a majority of posters. Now she's pointing a hypocritical finger by saying "look over there!"

I was not involved in all the hullaballoo then, it's just that she's using the forum to stir up non support for something Ron Paul is whole heartily supporting.

[constituent]

She's bitching about the CFL not being forthcoming about things she's being vague about. Yet when she was running the blimp thing, she was accused of doing the same by a majority of posters. Now she's pointing a hypocritical finger by saying "look over there!"

I was not involved in all the hullaballoo then, it's just that she's using the forum to stir up non support for something Ron Paul is whole heartily supporting.

I have to disagree w/ this analysis, though I understand where you're coming from.

I would have to say that imo, the blimp was a freakin' trainwreck in every respect except for McKarnin. I don't know her personally, but we've had a couple of long chats in the past and so i respect her b/c i know she gets it. Unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said for the rest of the blimp crew, nor the campaign, nor the CFL (judging by their inactions and ineptitude displayed so far... again).

IMO either Ron Paul or his handlers have exercised exceptionally (i want to say "uncharacteristically", but can no longer comfortably do so) poor judgement in their chosen strategic alliances and (apparently non-existent) plans of action.

Which sadly fits right in w/ what we saw during the campaign.

[Sandra]

I have to disagree w/ this analysis, though I understand where you're coming from.

I would have to say that imo, the blimp was a freakin' trainwreck in every respect except for McKarnin. I don't know her personally, but we've had a couple of long chats in the past and so i respect her b/c i know she gets it. Unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said for the rest of the blimp crew, nor the campaign, nor the CFL (judging by their inactions and ineptitude displayed so far... again).

IMO either Ron Paul or his handlers have exercised exceptionally (i want to say "uncharacteristically", but can no longer comfortably do so) poor judgement in their chosen strategic alliances and (apparently non-existent) plans of action.

Which sadly fits right in w/ what we saw during the campaign.

I think they have hatched the biggest, most powerful political revolution in US history.

[constituent]

I think they have hatched the biggest, most powerful political revolution in US history.

i hope you're right, but imo that happened already, and they (willingly) blew it.

the time to strike while the iron was hot appears to have come and gone.

i hope i'm wrong, but we'll see.

[constituent]

http://juliafarmer.net/images/don-quixote.gif

don quixote is my hero too, but i'm no sancho panza...

though there appears to be plenty of them around.

[amy31416]

I have to disagree w/ this analysis, though I understand where you're coming from.

I would have to say that imo, the blimp was a freakin' trainwreck in every respect except for McKarnin. I don't know her personally, but we've had a couple of long chats in the past and so i respect her b/c i know she gets it. Unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said for the rest of the blimp crew, nor the campaign, nor the CFL (judging by their inactions and ineptitude displayed so far... again).

IMO either Ron Paul or his handlers have exercised exceptionally (i want to say "uncharacteristically", but can no longer comfortably do so) poor judgement in their chosen strategic alliances and (apparently non-existent) plans of action.

Which sadly fits right in w/ what we saw during the campaign.

I agree, especially on these points:

1. Blimp=trainwreck
2. McKarnin=exception
3. Official campaign-made many mistakes resulting in the campaign not being run professionally.
4. I've talked to her about the blimp and she never hesitated about any questions, nor did she cringe at any criticisms, nor did she once get defensive.

I have great hopes for the CFL, but it needs to be run professionally while also capturing the enthusiasm and creativity of the grassroots. And given how much we've donated to all kinds of things, we have expectations.

And rather than just sit back, not donate and shut up, we voice our questions and opinions.

If we just shut up, we will go away in disgust and those of you who remain will wonder where the hell we all went. That is a distinct possibility and has already happened with some people who used to frequent these forums that I still keep in touch with. It is not a good long-term plan to NOT answer our concerns. Dammit.

Aren't we already saying "where'd everyone go?"

[Mckarnin]

If we who love the freedom movement can't examine and question ourselves then how do we expect to stand up to our enemies?

[klamath]

The campaign was not run professionally and a lot of that reflects on RP's leadership ability. As much as I love RP, after 30 years he should have made it to the head of some congressional commitees and been a leader there. He seems to have made poor choices in selecting campaign leaders.

Having said all these harsh things about RP and the campaign, a perfectly run campaign may not have done any better. There were a whole lot of campaigns this year that susposedly had the best of the best and did worse than RP.

Now I would like to to write about the grassroots. Of all the likely potential voters that turned against RP, a far larger number spoke that it was the paultards that drove them away rather than any lacking on the part of the official campaign.
I think an after action poll should be posted on what the grassroots did wrong and what they did right. In a future campaign where a segment of the grassroots is pushing away voters the official campaign should come down hard on them by denouncing them. And on the other hand where the grassroots is doing well more recognition should be handed out.

[constituent]

Now I would like to to write about the grassroots. Of all the likely potential voters that turned against RP, a far larger number spoke that it was the paultards that drove them away rather than any lacking on the part of the official campaign.
I think an after action poll should be posted on what the grassroots did wrong and what they did right. In a future campaign where a segment of the grassroots is pushing away voters the official campaign should come down hard on them by denouncing them. And on the other hand where the grassroots is doing well more recognition should be handed out.

i think all that would come of that is more petty libertarian party factionalism, as they used it as an opportunity to one-up one another, using the campaign as a venue for it to all play out.

if you really go back and look at all the rifts, denouncements, etc. you'll find the lp, their hack publications, and "pre-existing" factions were a primary source (the newsletters are a great example that come to mind first) of problems.

another clear example would be a lack of communications from the gr to the n00bs. if people would have got the hint to stop "spamming" once RP got rolling, that would have gone a long way (though i have little doubt the insult would have continued, regardless).

and anyone is free to flame me for it but... rally squading sean hannity and others was poor form, and a bad strategic move.

also, too much focus on "national" and making a scene, not enough on effecting individuals communities (OLFUD) is the most obvious example of this sorta thinking.

we could also get into a discussion of petty opportunism, self-aggrandizement and the misallocation of GR resources/destruction of goodwill, but i'll save all that for later.

that said, i would like to know who you believe the campaign should have done more to denounce...

[klamath]

that said, i would like to know who you believe the campaign should have done more to denounce...[/QUOTE]

I will leave off some of the most obvious ones as they have been beaten to death.

The thousands of frothing at the mouth comments to any blog or article that didn't completely glowingly write of RP or his chances to win.

The ideas put forth that any support was good support. People going to every off the wall fringe group trying to drum up support.

RPmoneybomb.com using WWII nazi, anti American posters on the front page.

When a long established respected moderator on a conservative site came out for RP and was presenting his arguments to members on his forums hundreds of other RP supporters made accounts and jumped into the argument and some posted comments such as "Die troops Die!"

Making death threats to talk shows hosts.

Threatening to throw Rudy off a ferry.

Any calls to tone this stuff down would be shouted down as "this campaign is about freedom and I can do what the Fu*k I want to."

The list can go on and on.

[MsDoodahs]

Excellent points, can't disagree that those examples didn't show the movement at its bright and shining best; however, I would not have wanted THE CAMPAIGN to denounce them.

Each of us is responsible for our own actions.

You know....personal responsibility.

;)

[amy31416]

that said, i would like to know who you believe the campaign should have done more to denounce...[/QUOTE]

I will leave off some of the most obvious ones as they have been beaten to death.

The thousands of frothing at the mouth comments to any blog or article that didn't completely glowingly write of RP or his chances to win.



I found out about RP in May of last year, and honestly, that sort of stuff made me very hesitant to join any of the available forums, even this one, because I was expecting it might be all those same people you speak of, spamming YouTube, articles, Digg, etc.

But here I am. I can't help but wonder how many people turned away because of that.

[pacelli]

I tried to make it balanced. If we want a future for this movement that includes those who were the r[evol]ution finding out how they feel about what has been done so far is a good start.

Nicely done. I think the way you set it up and posed the options was well-crafted to get an honest sampling.

[Mckarnin]

This might not be what you had in mind but it's something to get a sampling:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=146116&highlight=grassroots+action



that said, i would like to know who you believe the campaign should have done more to denounce...[/QUOTE]

I will leave off some of the most obvious ones as they have been beaten to death.

The thousands of frothing at the mouth comments to any blog or article that didn't completely glowingly write of RP or his chances to win.

The ideas put forth that any support was good support. People going to every off the wall fringe group trying to drum up support.

RPmoneybomb.com using WWII nazi, anti American posters on the front page.

When a long established respected moderator on a conservative site came out for RP and was presenting his arguments to members on his forums hundreds of other RP supporters made accounts and jumped into the argument and some posted comments such as "Die troops Die!"

Making death threats to talk shows hosts.

Threatening to throw Rudy off a ferry.

Any calls to tone this stuff down would be shouted down as "this campaign is about freedom and I can do what the Fu*k I want to."

The list can go on and on.

[Mckarnin]

Thanks!


Nicely done. I think the way you set it up and posed the options was well-crafted to get an honest sampling.

[pacelli]

Is there anything slanted in the poll? Please tell me if it seems to lean one way or the other unfairly.


No, I don't think it was slanted. The poll topic was an After Action Report, in other words after action report of the PCC, not the CFL.

[pacelli]

Now I would like to to write about the grassroots. Of all the likely potential voters that turned against RP, a far larger number spoke that it was the paultards that drove them away rather than any lacking on the part of the official campaign.
I think an after action poll should be posted on what the grassroots did wrong and what they did right.

Please post it, I'd be glad to vote in it.

[Mckarnin]

Here's my stab at an attitudes based poll...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=146116&highlight=grassroots+action



Please post it, I'd be glad to vote in it.

[pacelli]

I think most of the printed materials were done well, especially the signs, bumper stickers, and most of the slim jims. The ads were completely the opposite. The radio ads were done well, but weren't played enough to make a large impact. Aside from files on youtube, I never saw a TV ad.

I agree with Jonathan Bydlak's point a couple weeks ago about how the campaign should have definitely gone all out in Iowa and New Hampshire. During this time we were seeing well-produced Romney town halls on TV, and Huckabee/Ed Rollins interviews repeated over & over. McCain didn't really gain any traction until New Hampshire, when he too began intense town hall appearances. I seem to remember only 1 Ron Paul town hall, which wasn't televised nationally at all.

The precinct leader program should have been started much much earlier.

Don't forget, during this time, Ron Paul was scheduled to interview with Neil Boortz and snubbed him at the last minute. I supported it at the time, but in retrospect, I think it was a mistake. Overall I think the campaign could have used the media much more effectively, such as getting every single one of Ron's appearances on the AP daily listing. But, as Jonathan also admitted, it was like pulling teeth getting Ron to do anything that he didn't want to do. So I am concerned about the CFL's ability to use the media.

I also think the grassroots was holding on to the notion that Ron had a 'secret plan', that an invisible billionaire would swoop in and start airing national ads or a fireside chat (a la Ross Perot). When these things didn't pan out at what we saw as the perfect time, we held on to the hope; which probably deflated the movement prematurely. There are still some of us that believe Ron will take the nomination at the convention through the delegates.

[Mckarnin]

Yes, I am still getting emails about the most brilliant move in political history...ROn Paul pulling back from the race. We'll see how that works out. The big problem with all of the 'secret plan" stories is that they encourage breath holding and inaction on our part. I am instantly suspicious of anything that tells us to "hold tight" and tread water while the stage is set for this or that "amazing" thing.

K



I think most of the printed materials were done well, especially the signs, bumper stickers, and most of the slim jims. The ads were completely the opposite. The radio ads were done well, but weren't played enough to make a large impact. Aside from files on youtube, I never saw a TV ad.

I agree with Jonathan Bydlak's point a couple weeks ago about how the campaign should have definitely gone all out in Iowa and New Hampshire. During this time we were seeing well-produced Romney town halls on TV, and Huckabee/Ed Rollins interviews repeated over & over. McCain didn't really gain any traction until New Hampshire, when he too began intense town hall appearances. I seem to remember only 1 Ron Paul town hall, which wasn't televised nationally at all.

The precinct leader program should have been started much much earlier.

Don't forget, during this time, Ron Paul was scheduled to interview with Neil Boortz and snubbed him at the last minute. I supported it at the time, but in retrospect, I think it was a mistake. Overall I think the campaign could have used the media much more effectively, such as getting every single one of Ron's appearances on the AP daily listing. But, as Jonathan also admitted, it was like pulling teeth getting Ron to do anything that he didn't want to do. So I am concerned about the CFL's ability to use the media.

I also think the grassroots was holding on to the notion that Ron had a 'secret plan', that an invisible billionaire would swoop in and start airing national ads or a fireside chat (a la Ross Perot). When these things didn't pan out at what we saw as the perfect time, we held on to the hope; which probably deflated the movement prematurely. There are still some of us that believe Ron will take the nomination at the convention through the delegates.

[klamath]

This might not be what you had in mind but it's something to get a sampling:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=146116&highlight=grassroots+action

Thank you. We cannot correct problems for the next time if we don't identify those that were made in this campaign..

[Mckarnin]

My thought exactly.


Thank you. We cannot correct problems for the next time if we don't identify those that were made in this campaign..

[Carole]

The official campaign was careful not to tie itself to the Grassroots support. They were probably trying to follow the law, but sometimes it might have been better. Maybe some people did not understand the rules regarding this, but Dr. Paul would have been very careful to not overstep with the grassroots, I believe.

I do think they should now have a line of communications with the new CFL and I think it will work out better.

All in all, Dr. Paul did better than he expected. I do wish his expectations had been higher, but I also think he knew the way the game was played and how it would marginalize him. I think he also knew that voting irregularities would occur from the outset. He is too experienced in politics to not be aware of this.

All in all he did well, but I would live to know what his real vote count was. :rolleyes: :p

[revolutionman]

I trust both the Campaign and the CFL to do what is best for our movement.

I trust CFL to go forward in the best interests of the nation. However that doesn't mean we should make CFL our single beacon of hope, a single hard target for our foes to focus their energies on destroying. We're a movement with many leaders and few followers, if we can cooperate, there is no reason we cant keep churning out awesome ideas and implementing projects on a grass roots level.


I have concerns about how the Presidential Campaign was run.
I think the Presidential Campaign was run really well.

Dr Paul admits openly that he was skeptical and reluctant going in, at some point he clearly became enthusiastic about his efforts, once McCain became the presumptive nominee, it was obvious that the campaign was continuing only to draw whatever attention and support could be garnered. I thought it was obvious.


I am concerned that the CFL decided to employ several people from the campaign.
I am pleased that the CFL decided to employ several people from the Campaign.

Everyone deserves an opportunity to redeem themselves and learn from their mistakes. learning from mistakes, is the best kind of learning really.



I have doubts about the professionalism of those who the Campaign employed.
I applaud the professionalism of those who the Campaign employed.

Professionalism, more often than not is a useless buzz word. The concept is overrated. Some of the best things that have come out of the revolution have been slapped together with glue and tape on short notice. Thats not "professionalism", but its effective, and no less brilliant.


The materials and ads created by the Campaign were professionally done.
The materials and ads created by the Campaign were not high quality.

Once again, buzzword, some were effective, and some were not. Some of the most effective RP ads I've seen were on the internet were slapped together with PowerPoint, by some dude in his underwear at 3am. So if anything the professionalism of the Campaign hurt the ads and materials they produced.


The money we donated to the campaign was used well.
The money we donated to the campaign was used poorly.

I think the best possible outcome from RPs candidacy has been realized. A powerful grass roots movement that steadily gains support and momentum is preferable to a Presidency, where his every proposal would have been swatted down by Congress, and his own principals would prevent him from forcing through legislation like our enemies do.

The rest of the questions I did not feel qualified to answer.

[MsDoodahs]

:)

Great response, revolutionman.

[Mckarnin]

Thanks for adding commentary to your answers. It's interesting to read a little more detail.


I trust CFL to go forward in the best interests of the nation. However that doesn't mean we should make CFL our single beacon of hope, a single hard target for our foes to focus their energies on destroying. We're a movement with many leaders and few followers, if we can cooperate, there is no reason we cant keep churning out awesome ideas and implementing projects on a grass roots level.



Dr Paul admits openly that he was skeptical and reluctant going in, at some point he clearly became enthusiastic about his efforts, once McCain became the presumptive nominee, it was obvious that the campaign was continuing only to draw whatever attention and support could be garnered. I thought it was obvious.



Everyone deserves an opportunity to redeem themselves and learn from their mistakes. learning from mistakes, is the best kind of learning really.




Professionalism, more often than not is a useless buzz word. The concept is overrated. Some of the best things that have come out of the revolution have been slapped together with glue and tape on short notice. Thats not "professionalism", but its effective, and no less brilliant.



Once again, buzzword, some were effective, and some were not. Some of the most effective RP ads I've seen were on the internet were slapped together with PowerPoint, by some dude in his underwear at 3am. So if anything the professionalism of the Campaign hurt the ads and materials they produced.



I think the best possible outcome from RPs candidacy has been realized. A powerful grass roots movement that steadily gains support and momentum is preferable to a Presidency, where his every proposal would have been swatted down by Congress, and his own principals would prevent him from forcing through legislation like our enemies do.

The rest of the questions I did not feel qualified to answer.

[Mckarnin]

bump..in case anyone missed it.

[RonPaulwillWin]

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