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Conza88
07-05-2008, 01:22 AM
Top secret US military plans to test deadly nerve gas by dropping it on soldiers in a remote Queensland rainforest during the Cold War have been uncovered in Australian Government archives.

Newly declassified Australian Defence Department and Prime Minister’s office files show that the United States was strongly pushing the Government for tests on Australian soil of two of the most deadly chemical weapons ever developed, VX and GB — better known as Sarin — nerve gas.

The plan, which is disclosed for the first time on tomorrow’s SUNDAY program on Nine, called for 200 mainly Australian combat troops to be aerially bombed and sprayed with the chemical weapons — with all but a handful of the soldiers to be kept in the dark about the "full details" of the tests.

A former senior official with then Prime Minister Harold Holt, Mr Peter Bailey, tells the program that as far as he knows the tests never went ahead but the planning was very advanced.

He admitted the whole operation was to be kept secret because use of such weapons was almost certainly illegal under international law at the time.

"The idea that we could actually… that the Australians could countenance such an activity is …unacceptable," University of NSW toxicologist Professor Chris Winder said.

He says even a fraction of a drop of either chemical on exposed skin could have been fatal and Cold War fears that communist Chinese or Russian attackers might have used such weapons in a third world war "doesn’t justify it now and I don’t think it justified it then".

The files show that in July 1962 the then-US defence secretary Robert McNamara wrote in secret to the Australian Defence Department suggesting joint testing of chemical weapons "on a classified basis without a public release by either country".

In early 1963 a survey team of Australian and US scientists reviewed sites in Australia for chemical warfare tests, suggesting the remote Iron Range rainforest near Lockhart River in far north Queensland as one such location.

The request caused consternation in Canberra, with senior Defence bureaucrats clearly opposed to the use of nerve gas, but, as former senior Prime Ministerial policy advisor Peter Bailey recalls: "I heard that many times in Cabinet meetings that if they weren’t pretty good and pretty faithful to the Americans we would be dumped.

"We had already been dumped with the British east of Suez pullout so ministers were pretty aware this was our one main support and the red peril thing was still in people’s minds."

In October 1964 the Americans pushed the request again, this time insisting that the public should be fed a "cover story" to conceal the real nature of the tests: the documents show the public was to be told the tests were to test equipment or land reclamation in a jungle environment.

Low-flying military aircraft and spraying was to be explained away with the false claim that low-risk herbicides and insecticides were to be used in the testing but the cover stories were clearly untrue — he real chemicals to be used were two of the most deadly man-made substances, VX and GB nerve gas.

Former Democrat Senator Lyn Allison, who became aware of the existence of references to secret chemical weapons tests in Australia during her support of sick former veterans of the Maralinga nuclear bomb tests, told SUNDAY that her own attempts to get the full story on what went on with proposed testing were rebuffed several years ago.

She said Government files on the issue were still classified even now and the revelations in the new documents obtained by SUNDAY underlined the need for the Defence Department to finally disclose all that went on during the Cold War.

"To understand that Australia was still prepared to consider this proposal because of its relationship with the US I think needs proper examination," Senator Allison told the program.

"So all those documents should be released, there shouldn’t be any pussy footing around — t’s time for us to know what went on."

SUNDAY’s expose of Australia’s secret planning for chemical warfare airs at 7.30am Sunday on Nine.

Link to article (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=287260)

:eek:

berrybunches
07-05-2008, 02:22 AM
Thats a great find.
But sadly that seem to be the norm for us. There are many videos of the US dropping NUKES near United States soldiers in order to test them out.

Here ya go:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/74B9A995A3F64217A0D5DC3E717D60E6/atomic-testing-on-human-guinea.aspx

idiom
07-05-2008, 04:08 AM
Good thing they kept that stuff for Waco.

revolutionman
07-05-2008, 05:38 AM
"Did I do that??" - Steve Urkel

pauletteNV
07-05-2008, 07:43 AM
"...the whole operation was to be kept secret because use of such weapons was almost certainly illegal under international law at the time."

Now, would you think it could possibly be legal? That is the niggling fear in the back of our minds...how many "secrets" are there and how many times and how often do we knowingly break internatonal laws? How about the pain ol' law of sound moral judgment?

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Sometimes we make law so difficult and so numerous we end up accommodating some with loopholes or confusion...and if all else fails, even our goverment says "we'll just make it a secret." No wonder there is such a high amount of cheating on tests in our schools...why not, all of the adults do, even our leaders do.

How about just "do under others as you would have them do unto you"...sort of an effective little smell test. What they wanted to do in Australia didn't pass and fortunately at least this time, they didn't follow through.

PatriotOne
07-05-2008, 08:08 AM
Sarin gas is classified as a "weapon of mass destruction" and is ~500 times more toxic than cyanide. I knew someone who worked at a plant that stored the stuff and he had to carry around a syringe of atropine in case of an accident. It is nasty, nasty stuff. Death would be preferable as opposed to living with the effects it causes.


Sadly, we probably did test it somewhere. Maybe on our own soldiers somewhere. Certainly not the first time we tested stuff like this on populations and not the last time either. People need to wake the hell up and realize we we are nothing more than animals to them.

Conza88
07-05-2008, 09:23 AM
I'm suprised they ASKED another government for permission..

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
07-05-2008, 10:57 AM
"...the whole operation was to be kept secret because use of such weapons was almost certainly illegal under international law at the time."

Now, would you think it could possibly be legal? That is the niggling fear in the back of our minds...how many "secrets" are there and how many times and how often do we knowingly break internatonal laws? How about the pain ol' law of sound moral judgment?

I'd say it's also clearly against united states laws as well. Maybe the telecoms should be taking over those tasks.

JosephTheLibertarian
07-05-2008, 12:06 PM
Well, when you join the US military, you hand over your life to the state. They can do whatever they want with you.

powerofreason
07-05-2008, 12:08 PM
Well, when you join the US military, you hand over your life to the state. They can do whatever they want with you.

^^

RideTheDirt
07-05-2008, 12:16 PM
I watched a Documentary on the History channel about the CIA 's testing of Sarin.They were talking about someone in the Air Force who died in testing groups of 5 (?).They locked them in rooms and gave them gas masks and put some material on their arm and dropped 20 drops of something unknown to them on their arms. It was later revealed they were testing to figure out the lethal dose of Sarin. They Told the men they were trying to "cure the common cold".I believe they were compensated; but I think it was like $50. One of the men who worked for the CIA ended up dead after mysteriously "falling out of a window".

So this doesn't really shock me.

CasualApathy
07-05-2008, 12:51 PM
Here is what i don't understand...


In October 1964 the Americans pushed the request again, this time insisting that the public should be fed a "cover story" to conceal the real nature of the tests: the documents show the public was to be told the tests were to test equipment or land reclamation in a jungle environment.

Low-flying military aircraft and spraying was to be explained away with the false claim that low-risk herbicides and insecticides were to be used in the testing but the cover stories were clearly untrue — he real chemicals to be used were two of the most deadly man-made substances, VX and GB nerve gas.

So, if this is true, how were they going to explain all the deaths?

It doesn't seem very logical