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AJ Antimony
07-03-2008, 12:08 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/03/obama-challenges-nation-to-give-back/

Wow


The senator from Illinois detailed a $3.5 billion plan to boost participation in the military, AmeriCorps, foreign service and community work to give Americans a sense of having a stake in improving the nation.


"Loving your country shouldn't just mean watching fireworks on the Fourth of July," said the presumptive Democratic nominee, who was speaking at the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs. "Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it. If you do, your life will be richer, our country will be stronger."

Mr. Obama laid out sweeping promises to expand service programs, something he said would be a "central cause of my presidency."

"We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges," he said.


His service plan would:

Expand the network of local, state and national service programs known as AmeriCorps from 75,000 to 250,000 slots and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 with the goal of strengthening diplomacy. The larger AmeriCorps would aim to "meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world."

Extend service jobs and opportunities to retirees, veterans and people without college degrees, getting them involved in work such as cleaning polluted areas and weatherizing homes to "gain skills in a growing industry."

Complete expansion of the armed forces to increase ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines and "call on a new generation of Americans to join our military."

Make sure students from high school to college have opportunities to contribute so they could graduate with as many as 17 weeks of service. Middle school and high school students would be asked to perform 50 hours per year; college students, 100 hours per year.

Expand USA Freedom Corps using an online social network system similar to what his campaign created.

Strange... they tell us this is a free country.

Grandson of Liberty
07-03-2008, 12:28 AM
Middle school and high school students would be asked to perform 50 hours per year; college students, 100 hours per year.

"Asked" as in asked? Or "asked" like the IRS "asks" me to pay taxes? :confused:

danberkeley
07-03-2008, 12:31 AM
FDR also reduced unemployment... by sending hundreds of thousands of young men to die in europe and asia (and north africa) during WWII.

RonPaulFever
07-03-2008, 02:02 AM
Christ. How much money does he think we have?

WRellim
07-03-2008, 02:12 AM
"Asked" as in asked? Or "asked" like the IRS "asks" me to pay taxes? :confused:

Oh, I'm certain it will all be ENTIRELY "voluntary" -- "civic minded" ADULTS and BUSINESSES will be encouraged to become local "leaders" and "sponsors" of the groups in their communities -- the new federal government agency will simply provide the "basic groundwork" for such "local" efforts -- and thus young kids will be able to join the "Pioneers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_movement) and the High School,College and early [Government] Career people can join the "Komsomol" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol) -- membership would not be required, of course.

But the members (and their families) would probably be entitled to certain extra "benefits" -- you know, in order to "reward" them for their "involvement" in the "community."

Nothing major of course, just little things -- like the ability to wear Red, White & Blue scarves and/or badges (or bumper stickers for their cars ...kind of like the "honor student" or the "My Son is a Marine" stickers) -- you know ...just to help them identify and "support" each other, and OF COURSE this would also "encourage" people in the community to "recognize" that and provide voluntary "incentives" for them to join as well.

I mean it's not like the teachers will give your child lower grades or anything like that (although, of course, failure to participate in "team building" exercises with appropriate levels of activities and community work *might* just be a sign of anti-social behavior).

Plus it's not like your son or daughter won't be able to participate in their school's sports teams -- but obviously if they want to reflect a "team player" spirit, they will want to join with their teammates in "community service" activities.

And of course, its not that non-participation will be counted against you when applying to college or for your first job. But participation probably will prove "beneficial" in those regards as both colleges and private industry seek to "encourage" the patriotic community spirit.



And sadly, I'm not being sarcastic at all. (I've seen this coming for years now).

BTW, expect McCain to basically say "me too" and introduce something very similar in the next week or so.

newyearsrevolution08
07-03-2008, 02:20 AM
fuck obama and his socialistic thinking.

He is the same talking about how he was state paid growing up, college paid for by us among other things as well. He was a welfare baby and doesn't know any better.

rational thinker
07-03-2008, 02:26 AM
This beats the hell out of McCain's plan, which is A DRAFT! At least Obama is thinking of incentives and it's not forced.

newyearsrevolution08
07-03-2008, 02:32 AM
This beats the hell out of McCain's plan, which is A DRAFT! At least Obama is thinking of incentives and it's not forced.

it SEEMS as though it isn't forced just like how it SEEMS he is against war lol.

they are one in the same.

rational thinker
07-03-2008, 02:52 AM
it SEEMS as though it isn't forced just like how it SEEMS he is against war lol.

they are one in the same.

No, they are not. McCain is not offering any incentives. It's obvious to any thinking person that Obama wants to expand the military, but at least he's using a better means to do so.

newyearsrevolution08
07-03-2008, 02:56 AM
No, they are not. McCain is not offering any incentives. It's obvious to any thinking person that Obama wants to expand the military, but at least he's using a better means to do so.

lol, I don't even want to look at it that way in the least. I know what you are trying to say but all in all they ARE the same, one is just worse than the other BUT still do the same damn thing.

Having illegal wars in other countries no matter HOW you do it STILL makes it wrong.

WRellim
07-03-2008, 03:01 AM
Guess I was wrong... at least about the scarves and badges (and no armbands either)...

Guess you have to think more modern... so it will be T-Shirts with logos on the sleeves (see it's not an armband, it's just a shirt sleeve with a logo! And see the Red, White & Blue flag thingee... OK, it's tiny compared to the rest of the logo... and it has a single star like a communist flag, but still it's there... kind of...)

http://www.americorpsweek.gov/assets/images/rosie_home_bln.gif

http://www.americorpsweek.gov/images/gallery/ACW_2007_0028_thumb.jpg http://www.americorpsweek.gov/images/gallery/ACW_2007_0014_thumb.jpg

And apparently (if the above is any indicator) blond haired white boys with blue eyes need not apply... or at least not for "poster boy" status. Nope, only a mixture of white womena and "other" ethnicities for promo photos.

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/secretary/news/2007/03/images/0306_01_americorps.jpg


Wonder if they'll go with the stretchy "wrist-band" thingees too? They could call then "AmeriStrong Bands" or some other BS like that...

newyearsrevolution08
07-03-2008, 03:03 AM
Are you AmeriStrong!

I can see it indeed

RonPaulFever
07-03-2008, 03:21 AM
How is using taxpayer money to fund unconstitutional overseas ventures an incentive?

danberkeley
07-03-2008, 03:43 AM
Oh, I'm certain it will all be ENTIRELY "voluntary" -- "civic minded" ADULTS and BUSINESSES will be encouraged to become local "leaders" and "sponsors" of the groups in their communities -- the new federal government agency will simply provide the "basic groundwork" for such "local" efforts -- and thus young kids will be able to join the "Pioneers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_movement) and the High School,College and early [Government] Career people can join the "Komsomol" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol) -- membership would not be required, of course.

But the members (and their families) would probably be entitled to certain extra "benefits" -- you know, in order to "reward" them for their "involvement" in the "community."

Nothing major of course, just little things -- like the ability to wear Red, White & Blue scarves and/or badges (or bumper stickers for their cars ...kind of like the "honor student" or the "My Son is a Marine" stickers) -- you know ...just to help them identify and "support" each other, and OF COURSE this would also "encourage" people in the community to "recognize" that and provide voluntary "incentives" for them to join as well.

I mean it's not like the teachers will give your child lower grades or anything like that (although, of course, failure to participate in "team building" exercises with appropriate levels of activities and community work *might* just be a sign of anti-social behavior).

Plus it's not like your son or daughter won't be able to participate in their school's sports teams -- but obviously if they want to reflect a "team player" spirit, they will want to join with their teammates in "community service" activities.

And of course, its not that non-participation will be counted against you when applying to college or for your first job. But participation probably will prove "beneficial" in those regards as both colleges and private industry seek to "encourage" the patriotic community spirit.



And sadly, I'm not being sarcastic at all. (I've seen this coming for years now).

BTW, expect McCain to basically say "me too" and introduce something very similar in the next week or so.

You bring up really great points. Obama et al wants/would/will create incentive-based programs. I.e if you join the military for 5 years, you pay no income tax. imagine what programs like this would do to this country and society. it would drive everyone to the military where they can be easily sent to dubious wars or "calls to action". cant wait till obama offers us 1000 virgins in the after life for "commiting" ourselves to stopping "global warming".

another program that obama is/would/will offer: he said that he would tax companies that "send" "american" jobs overseas. this totally avoids the problem that it is the government that is forcing "american" jobs over seas. no wonder scores of people are leaving this country. soon enough, this country will suffer from brain drain.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 03:56 AM
fuck obama and his socialistic thinking.

He is the same talking about how he was state paid growing up, college paid for by us among other things as well. He was a welfare baby and doesn't know any better.

Corporate fascism vs. Democratic Socialism.

Are there any winners?

Aren't the Repub's and Dem's the same anyway?

rational thinker
07-03-2008, 04:27 AM
I'd rather have democratic socialism.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 04:42 AM
I'd rather have democratic socialism.

I agree.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 04:46 AM
Still...

Freedom.

True freedom.

Requires one to be self-reliant.

revolutionman
07-03-2008, 05:40 AM
Socialst Pig wants to make us all Government employees!!

And he's promising that it will be the central focus of his Presidency!!

I'd never thought I'd say this but McCain, isn't looking so bad. There are a few more decades before the fascist state can be fully hatched, but we have huge portions of the nation *coughinner citiescough*are ready to have the nany state take care of them in November!!

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 05:43 AM
Socialst Pig wants to make us all Government employees!!

Or corporate slaves.

Halliburton...

God for you.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 05:43 AM
Good for America.

Patrick_Henry
07-03-2008, 06:47 AM
If you want to see how these "youth programs" work on a voluntary basis, watch Swing Kids. It shows just how voluntary Hitlers Youth was.

Same damn thing.

nobody's_hero
07-03-2008, 06:50 AM
If you want to see how these "youth programs" work on a voluntary basis, watch Swing Kids. It shows just how voluntary Hitlers Youth was.

Same damn thing.

I was just about to mention the Hitler Youth.

Patrick and I must have been reading the same page.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 06:55 AM
Not everyone can be " artistic ."

During the meantime...

Why don't you guys sign International treaties outlawing land mines and cluster bombs?

England did.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:08 AM
My Mom survived the first "cluster bombing" in Dresden.

Since then, cluster bombs have indiscriminately killed civilians.

Cambodia is a landmark.

They have been scattered all over Iraq.

The Israelis used them in in Lebanon.

Your taxes pay for this!

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:17 AM
No one cares...

Easy to turn a blind eye.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:21 AM
" Liberty is telling people what they do not want to hear. "

revolutionman
07-03-2008, 07:27 AM
US troops are killing civilians indescriminantly, and no one gives a hoot, do you think they will lose sleep over the detonation of a mine or cluster bomb??

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:30 AM
US troops are killing civilians indescriminantly, and no one gives a hoot, do you think they will lose sleep over the detonation of a mine or cluster bomb??

I hope Americans do give a fuck.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:34 AM
[quote=Ozwest;1546337]I hope Americans do give a fuck.[/quotA cluster bomb is dropped from the air.

A large bomb is dropped, and hundreds of smaller bombs scatter.

Ensuring max devastation.

mediahasyou
07-03-2008, 07:37 AM
Middle school and high school students would be asked to perform 50 hours per year; college students, 100 hours per year.

Draft? No I will not fight your wars Obama.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:43 AM
America.

You fall out of your mothers womb, you crawl across open country under fire, and drop into your grave.

John lennon ---

G-Wohl
07-03-2008, 07:45 AM
No, they are not. McCain is not offering any incentives. It's obvious to any thinking person that Obama wants to expand the military, but at least he's using a better means to do so.

In a way, Obama's method is even worse. It's essentially verifying the "validity" of the illegal actions of our government by masking them with "community service". It's socialistic trickery at its finest.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
07-03-2008, 07:46 AM
nt

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:48 AM
My family will be moving out of this country before we help these demons with their gloabist agendas.

Over my dead body will I, or my children, be forced to work for them.

You guys are going broke.

End of programs.

Reality check.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:51 AM
The rest of the world is worried about your military.

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 07:51 AM
Who's next?

PlzPeopleWakeUp
07-03-2008, 07:54 AM
nt

Kade
07-03-2008, 07:59 AM
Christ. How much money does he think we have?

At least he isn't going to print it and pretend we have it...

(see Bush's War Cost (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home))

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 08:11 AM
Who is going broke? I owe nothing to anybody and have gold coming out my ears. I own everyhting I have.

I ask the federal government for NOTHING except to defend my country from military attack. I am quite capable of providing all other necessities and security for my family.

Panama is looking great right about now.

Good on ya.

Check out West Australia.

I'll have a Holiday in Panama.:)

mconder
07-03-2008, 09:27 AM
Christ. How much money does he think we have?

I sure he knows we have as much as we can print.

mconder
07-03-2008, 09:37 AM
You guys are going broke.

End of programs.

That's precisely why we are going to need these forced labor schemes.

pacelli
07-03-2008, 09:37 AM
I'll be glad to serve just as soon as I am refunded in gold every dime of taxes and social security I've ever paid.

Grandson of Liberty
07-03-2008, 09:50 AM
Guess I was wrong... at least about the scarves and badges (and no armbands either)...

Guess you have to think more modern... so it will be T-Shirts with logos on the sleeves (see it's not an armband, it's just a shirt sleeve with a logo! And see the Red, White & Blue flag thingee... OK, it's tiny compared to the rest of the logo... and it has a single star like a communist flag, but still it's there... kind of...)

http://www.americorpsweek.gov/assets/images/rosie_home_bln.gif

http://www.americorpsweek.gov/images/gallery/ACW_2007_0028_thumb.jpg http://www.americorpsweek.gov/images/gallery/ACW_2007_0014_thumb.jpg

And apparently (if the above is any indicator) blond haired white boys with blue eyes need not apply... or at least not for "poster boy" status. Nope, only a mixture of white womena and "other" ethnicities for promo photos.

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/secretary/news/2007/03/images/0306_01_americorps.jpg


Wonder if they'll go with the stretchy "wrist-band" thingees too? They could call then "AmeriStrong Bands" or some other BS like that...

Jeepers, it's like I'm reading the uglier pages of a history book. This is just, well, scary. And the people cheer for this? :confused: I guess it's true: If we fail to learn from history, we're doomed to repeat it. I guess that's why the govt. schools stopped teaching it long ago. :mad:

armstrong
07-03-2008, 10:32 AM
Jesse and Ron or Ron and Jesse

MGreen
07-03-2008, 11:04 AM
You 'serve' and 'strengthen' your country by participating in the market.

SnappleLlama
07-03-2008, 11:08 AM
I'd really enjoy doing an Obama fist pound into his effin' face. There's no way I'm going to join his little "army of volunteers." I already volunteer. I don't need the government telling me what to do.

constituent
07-03-2008, 11:16 AM
This beats the hell out of McCain's plan, which is A DRAFT! At least Obama is thinking of incentives and it's not forced.

lol. make no mistake about it, he's not going to get >100,000 civil service workers without it.

nbhadja
07-03-2008, 12:11 PM
At least he isn't going to print it and pretend we have it...

(see Bush's War Cost (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home))

uhhh hate to break it to you but..HE IS GOING TO PRINT IT OUT OF THIN AIR!!! We are trillions of dollars in debt, we don't have 3.5 billion sitting around.

nbhadja
07-03-2008, 12:12 PM
I hope Obama drops dead along with 95 percent of Washington, seriously.

Kade
07-03-2008, 12:13 PM
uhhh hate to break it to you but..HE IS GOING TO PRINT IT OUT OF THIN AIR!!! We are trillions of dollars in debt, we don't have 3.5 billion sitting around.

Please think before you type.

He will tax you. I don't see that as any worse than printing it into the ground. At least with taxing the value of the dollar won't equal sandpaper.

nbhadja
07-03-2008, 12:15 PM
Please think before you type.

He will tax you. I don't see that as any worse than printing it into the ground. At least with taxing the value of the dollar won't equal sandpaper.

Sure...tax...you do realize that the war itself will cost trillions of dollars (Iran is 3 times the size of Iraq and the Iraqi war was over a trillion dollars and counting). He is gonna print it out of thin air.

Just like when he voted to fund the Iraqi war for over 300 billion dollars, he loves the federal reserve.

Kade
07-03-2008, 12:18 PM
Sure...tax...you do realize that the war itself will cost trillions of dollars (Iran is 3 times the size of Iraq and the Iraqi war was over a trillion dollars and counting). He is gonna print it out of thin air.

Just like when he voted to fund the Iraqi war for over 300 billion dollars, he loves the federal reserve.

I do understand. I prefer you not TEXT SHOUT though... I realize far more than you actually...

You are starting with so many assumptions. What proof do you have that Obama is going to war with Iran. The war is costing money we don't have... being printed. Obama plans to pay for his programs and to balance the deficit by taxing the top 15% of this country to a greater degree.

(I'm being serious, where is the proof?)


If Obama doesn't go to war with Iran, am I going to get an apology?

I am willing to publicly say I was wrong if he does.

nbhadja
07-03-2008, 12:40 PM
I do understand. I prefer you not TEXT SHOUT though... I realize far more than you actually...

You are starting with so many assumptions. What proof do you have that Obama is going to war with Iran. The war is costing money we don't have... being printed. Obama plans to pay for his programs and to balance the deficit by taxing the top 15% of this country to a greater degree.

(I'm being serious, where is the proof?)


If Obama doesn't go to war with Iran, am I going to get an apology?

I am willing to publicly say I was wrong if he does.

You can hide from all of the evidence but Obama is yearning for the shot to invade Iran just like all the neo-cons and neo-liberals want. He has given many speeches to AIPAC about invading Iran and using military force anywhere in the world to protect the US (they are on youtube- type obama aipac). I suggest you watch them to see why Obama wants war with Iran.

Plus he won't even take military force of the table.
Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called a threat to all of us.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVLXqHgLSTM
Watch this. He says that we should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq (ignore the commentary by the Iranian guy).


Taxing the top 15 percent of this country will erase trillions of dollars of debt? It won't even come close to doing that.

Yes I will admit I was wrong, but I seriously doubt I will be wrong.

Kade
07-03-2008, 12:46 PM
You can hide from all of the evidence but Obama is yearning for the shot to invade Iran just like all the neo-cons and neo-liberals want. He has given many speeches to AIPAC about invading Iran and using military force anywhere in the world to protect the US (they are on youtube- type obama aipac). I suggest you watch them to see why Obama wants war with Iran.

Plus he won't even take military force of the table.
Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called a threat to all of us.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVLXqHgLSTM
Watch this. He says that we should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq (ignore the commentary by the Iranian guy).


Taxing the top 15 percent of this country will erase trillions of dollars of debt? It won't even come close to doing that.

Yes I will admit I was wrong, but I seriously doubt I will be wrong.

Hide from what? I want to know what the evidence is... why is this SOOO hard?

nbhadja
07-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Hide from what? I want to know what the evidence is... why is this SOOO hard?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVLXqHgLSTM

Watch that please. You ignored it.

literatim
07-03-2008, 12:51 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc

lasenorita
07-03-2008, 01:28 PM
You can hide from all of the evidence but Obama is yearning for the shot to invade Iran just like all the neo-cons and neo-liberals want.

I don't believe Obama will start a war with Iran if he could help it. Yes, the military option isn't off the table, but Obama's vision of how to preserve American hegemony and protect Israeli interests is different from the current Administration's. He's not as rash and ridiculously idealistic as the neo-conservatives when it comes to the Middle East. Attacking Iran would be a grave mistake, and with Zbigniew Brzezinski (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/25/opinion/edzbig.php) as his top foreign policy adviser, I'm sure he's well-aware of that fact...


*fingers-crossed* ;)

Kade
07-03-2008, 02:33 PM
I don't believe Obama will start a war with Iran if he could help it. Yes, the military option isn't off the table, but Obama's vision of how to preserve American hegemony and protect Israeli interests is different from the current Administration's. He's not as rash and ridiculously idealistic as the neo-conservatives when it comes to the Middle East. Attacking Iran would be a grave mistake, and with Zbigniew Brzezinski (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/25/opinion/edzbig.php) as his top foreign policy adviser, I'm sure he's well-aware of that fact...


*fingers-crossed* ;)

Exactly.

orafi
07-03-2008, 02:38 PM
My Mom survived the first "cluster bombing" in Dresden.

Since then, cluster bombs have indiscriminately killed civilians.

Cambodia is a landmark.

They have been scattered all over Iraq.

The Israelis used them in in Lebanon.

Your taxes pay for this!

Well, that applies for you schmucks who pay your taxes :cool:

Ozwest
07-03-2008, 02:50 PM
Well, that applies for you schmucks who pay your taxes :cool:

Please explain?

lasenorita
07-03-2008, 05:57 PM
Exactly.

Hmm... So you do approve of American global hegemony and favoring Israeli interests. I guess it all boils down to philosophical differences after all. You see nothing fundamentally wrong with the path America has taken, only the recent tactics we have implemented. :rolleyes:

WRellim
07-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Well, that applies for you schmucks who pay your taxes :cool:


Oh, it applies to you as well.

You pay taxes everytime you BUY something... anything.

And I'm not talking about sales taxes... I'm talking about the corporate & personal income taxes, the FICA and FUTA and medicare, the state income and property taxes that are all component parts of the cost (and thus the price) of every good or service you purchase.

Unless you live completely off-grid as a hunter-gatherer (in which case how exactly are you accessing the internet?) or unless 100% of your supplies and "stuff" is coming via the "underground economy" then you're still "paying taxes" -- whether you realize it or not.