View Full Version : Obama panders to the religious zealots and I lose what little respect I had for him
rational thinker
07-01-2008, 06:35 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_el_pr/obama_faith_5
acptulsa
07-01-2008, 06:43 AM
Do they mean "expand" or do they mean "redirect"? As in, if you're a Southern Baptist organization times just got tough but if you're Church of God in Christ get ready for four years of paydays!
LittleLightShining
07-01-2008, 07:00 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_el_pr/obama_faith_5
Good. He doesn't deserve it.
HOLLYWOOD
07-01-2008, 08:54 AM
That's NOT PANDERING... THIS IS PANDERING!
O'BAMA for the first time wears a lapel pin on his jacket and guess what it was for?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06052008/photos/new09b.jpg
Barak Obama's Washington D.C. AIPAC PANDERING SPEECH... NOW THAT'S PANDERING!
Acala
07-01-2008, 09:18 AM
Kade? Oh Kade? Aren't you going to come and defend your hero? Ahahahahaha!
brandon
07-01-2008, 09:52 AM
That's NOT PANDERING... THIS IS PANDERING!
O'BAMA for the first time wears a lapel pin on his jacket and guess it was?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06052008/photos/new09b.jpg
NOW THAT'S PANDERING!
WTF?? Every time I read something about this guy i get more and more amazed. Sure, I always knew he was pandering politician who would do anything to gain power, but I really cant believe just how far he is taking this. Disgusting.
sratiug
07-01-2008, 09:57 AM
WTF?? Every time I read something about this guy i get more and more amazed. Sure, I always knew he was pandering politician who would do anything to gain power, but I really cant believe just how far he is taking this. Disgusting.
+1
...to support their ability to hire and fire based on faith.
That's uncool because not everyone has a religious faith.
V-rod
07-01-2008, 11:37 AM
Your just seeing Obama for what he is. A politician who swings to whichever way the wind is blowing
DAFTEK
07-01-2008, 11:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpTOPJNG6T0
DAFTEK
07-01-2008, 11:45 AM
http://www.stentorian.com/MoveOn/ObamaFarrakhan.jpg
Maverick
07-01-2008, 11:52 AM
CHICAGO - Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama...
No, of course he's not pandering. He's simply "reaching out" :rolleyes:
Kade? Oh Kade? Aren't you going to come and defend your hero? Ahahahahaha!
Yeah, there's a bit of irony there. Hey Kade, Obama is going to take away more of your money and give it to those whacko fundamentalists! You're not going to stand for that, are you?
DAFTEK
07-01-2008, 11:56 AM
http://www.upyoursobama.com/
acptulsa
07-01-2008, 12:12 PM
Hey Kade, Obama is going to take away more of your money and give it to those whacko fundamentalists! You're not going to stand for that, are you?
I don't believe he'd touch this one even if you gave him a whole set of typing fingers on the end of a ten foot pole...
LittleLightShining
07-01-2008, 12:18 PM
I don't believe he'd touch this one even if you gave him a whole set of typing fingers on the end of a ten foot pole...It's not just Kade. At least he's informed enough to be here and may realize sooner than most that Obama isn't the answer to our problems.
acptulsa
07-01-2008, 12:23 PM
It's not just Kade. At least he's informed enough to be here and may realize sooner than most that Obama isn't the answer to our problems.
Wisdom.
And there's no one like the converted to spread the word among the still-deluded with passion and authority.
Don't ban trolls. Win them over! If you don't have to resort to Gitmo to do it, you're fighting for right! Congrats!
Monolithic
07-01-2008, 01:32 PM
he saw how mccain isn't doing as good as he should among evangelicals and now he's taking religion and using it as his political tool to win
"You don't like him so you must be a racist! OMG"
That's always the logical deduction. :rolleyes:
tonesforjonesbones
07-01-2008, 02:15 PM
Here is my prediction. Obama will win. In 2 years his supporters will take to the streets and attempt to burn down the whitehouse. because they will realize what he stood for in that church in chicago is not what he really stands for. Obama will inact martial law. The government will take our food and weapons and start throwing people into the fema camps. OR...Obama will, due to pressure from the cfr, burn our constitution and enact the NAU. TONES
acptulsa
07-01-2008, 02:17 PM
"You don't like him so you must be a racist! OMG"
That's always the logical deduction. :rolleyes:
Yeah, isn't that a charmer. Especially since it seldom comes out 'you must be' and generally becomes 'you are a racist'.
I think we need to find a good way past this one. And since Obama's such a mutt, I think maybe we can. Something like, maybe, "Since he's got about every ethnic group in America somewhere in his family tree, I don't think I can really afford to be prejudiced against him. I'd have to hate over three quarters of the U.S.--including myself and my family.
"No, I'm not against any particular groups except liars and thieves..."
HOLLYWOOD
07-01-2008, 03:51 PM
he saw how McCain isn't doing as good as he should among evangelicals and now he's taking religion and using it as his political tool to win
Hey, Juan 'AMNESTY' McCain's Campaign is doing a KNOCKOUT job PANDERING!
His visited the OLD folks in PA, HE's SNIFFING around the Religious Zealots and Evangelicals across the nation...
He's in Columbia paying tribute to the LATINS... Geez, this campaign should be
OLD & HOLY Juan PANDERING McGIMMICK visits South American Church to push his FREE TRADE AGENDA, to help workers battle terrorists around the world.
Juan McGIMMICK, in a dead heat with Socialist OBAMA, for PANDERING the U.S. PUBLIC to DEATH!
Grimnir Wotansvolk
07-01-2008, 03:57 PM
In America, NOT pandering to religious crazies is automatic political suicide.
Even Paul did it, to a lesser degree.
muh_roads
07-01-2008, 04:53 PM
I don't quite understand. Doesn't this mean it lets social workers continue their work but now the money comes from privated organizations instead and it uses less tax payer dollars?
Kade? Oh Kade? Aren't you going to come and defend your hero? Ahahahahaha!
I'm not going to defend Obama on this... I am so utterly and profoundly against faith-based initiatives that I actually might not vote this election.
Yeah, there's a bit of irony there. Hey Kade, Obama is going to take away more of your money and give it to those whacko fundamentalists! You're not going to stand for that, are you?
Nope. Now I get to choose for President between 4 Theocrats. My my...
I hate moralists.
I hate social conservatives.
and I hate faith-based initiatives.
LittleLightShining
07-02-2008, 08:05 AM
Nope. Now I get to choose for President between 4 Theocrats. My my...
I hate moralists.
I hate social conservatives.
and I hate faith-based initiatives.There's always Ralph Nader.
There's always Ralph Nader.
Nader is an onion-faced clown.
LittleLightShining
07-02-2008, 08:10 AM
Nader is an onion-faced clown.
Hah! You got an audible chuckle for that one!
If I wasn't satisfied with any of the other candidates I might still vote for Nader but only as a protest. I did vote for him in both of the last 2 elections for that reason.
acptulsa
07-02-2008, 08:19 AM
Nader is an onion-faced clown.
Ah, the joys of voting for the least among evils. Is onion-faced buffoonery higher or lower on your hate scale than moralistic theocracy, warmongering senility and/or the integration of church and state-run charity?
Ah, the joys of voting for the least among evils. Is onion-faced buffoonery higher or lower on your hate scale than moralistic theocracy, warmongering senility and/or the integration of church and state-run charity?
I honestly don't know. I haven't cooled down about this since last Saturday...
acptulsa
07-02-2008, 08:38 AM
I honestly don't know. I haven't cooled down about this since last Saturday...
Well, it honestly saddens me that yet another American is slapped in the face with the magnitude of the evils he is asked to choose between. And yet, things had to get this bad before they could get better, if we can judge by history...
Once it was the statue requesting the world send it's tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Now we have the infinite variety of us sharing only our disaffection and disenfranchisement right here at home--and trying to save the good nation at the heart of a crumbling empire. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
And while I'm not the saint Will Rogers was and can't claim to have never met a man I "dident" (sic) like, I assure you I've never met a lover of liberty I didn't like. Good to see you, Kade.
SnappleLlama
07-02-2008, 08:47 AM
I feel sorry for Kade :(
Well, it honestly saddens me that yet another American is slapped in the face with the magnitude of the evils he is asked to choose between. And yet, things had to get this bad before they could get better, if we can judge by history...
Once it was the statue requesting the world send it's tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Now we have the infinite variety of us sharing only our disaffection and disenfranchisement right here at home--and trying to save the good nation at the heart of a crumbling empire. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
And while I'm not the saint Will Rogers was and can't claim to have never met a man I "dident" (sic) like, I assure you I've never met a lover of liberty I didn't like. Good to see you, Kade.
It started with the Hein Decision.
http://www.ffrf.org/news/2007/heinvFFRF.php
Full decision: http://www.ffrf.org/news/2007/SCdecision062507.pdf
It was a slap in the face... my support for Obama was mostly predicated on my strong desire to replace the religiously theocratic stronghold that's been established in the government... It was after the Hein decision that I started look for libertarians... notice the date. It was the Hein decision that made me really concerned, that it was so quiet, so deadly... like a sharp poison poke in the night.
This may not mean much to many people... but my decision and support for future candidates revolved around my hatred of the Faith-based and Community Initiatives, the abuse that I have seen firsthand, and the hole in the Justice Department that has been cleaved open since 2001.
It was why my first post about Ron Paul was an inquiry in his understanding of First Amendment and the Separation of Church and State... it was my trying to understand the intentions of Ron Paul.
This is a bigger blow to me, than many of you could conceive... just in spoken word... just that he would support the program that is only the third on my personal laundry list of Bush's greatest evils.
acptulsa
07-02-2008, 08:57 AM
This is a bigger blow to me, than many of you could conceive... just in spoken word... just that he would support the program that is only the third on my personal laundry list of Bush's greatest evils.
After watching the debacle that was the banana republic election of 2000, watching conservatives who thought Dubya was conservative get disappointed, watching the war drumming and seeing it work and being unable to stop what followed--many people here can conceive of big body blows. Rest assured.
Obama's flip flop on the war was alone enough to ensure that many are as disaffected as you are.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/06/faith-or-cronyi.html
How could anyone support a program that is so blatantly Unconstitutional...
It is the iceberg of the Grand Banks, it is going to be one of the causes of the sinking of this ship.
Even a cleaned up version, a "secular" version of the Faith-based initiatives is nothing more than nefarious filtering of people's money in an unchecked and unaccountable way... leaving this program intact is leaving an unconstitutional goatse hole in the government for the hordes to feast.
LittleLightShining
07-02-2008, 09:05 AM
This is a bigger blow to me, than many of you could conceive... just in spoken word... just that he would support the program that is only the third on my personal laundry list of Bush's greatest evils.Well, now you're completely disenfranchised. The thing is that there are millions of people who agree with you yet they will look past it because of Obama's cult of personality. To me this makes him a much more dangerous prospect for liberty than anyone else.
Acala
07-02-2008, 09:28 AM
Nader is an onion-faced clown.
This made me LOL.
All your other posts on this thread made me feel bad for mocking you. I apologize.
You and I are now in the same club.
I have decided that I will go to the poll and vote to the extent there are any decent candidates in the lower races and deliberately NOT cast a vote for President. It is the closest I can get to a None of the Above vote.
mczerone
07-09-2008, 11:41 AM
Well, now you're completely disenfranchised. The thing is that there are millions of people who agree with you yet they will look past it because of Obama's cult of personality. To me this makes him a much more dangerous prospect for liberty than anyone else.
And he is unassailable, people don't even read his actual proposed policies, but they will defend him to the death and deride you with name-calling and peer pressure.
Case in point: Obama's Drug policy vs. his support thinking he will be good for legalization measures.
He wants to EXPAND drug courts, to be able to stop the bottleneck that is processing that holds up the entire War on Users. And Mandatory "Brainwashing" to convince you to never use drugs again.
Liberty will not survive without us working to make sure people know for whom they are chanting.
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