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max
08-27-2007, 07:23 PM
I edited out a few sentences and played with the fonts. This fits on one page now and even has a cute little picture.

Plaster the church parking lots on Sunday...but I would also paperclip additional info to it...such as another flyer or a slim jim...

If word about RP gets out withing the Christian community, this could be huge! No other candidate can touch RP on the character issue...


http://www.ronpaulpostcards.com/faith.html

max
08-27-2007, 07:34 PM
i just of something else!

How about also direct mailing this piece to pastors and ministers.

(But the Christian-Zionists..there are beyond hope)

transistor
08-27-2007, 09:39 PM
lose the borders.... and keep both tables the same width... and lose the church clipart..... and get a better picture of ron paul... and stick with one font


in other words, completely change it

max
08-27-2007, 09:51 PM
lose the borders.... and keep both tables the same width... and lose the church clipart..... and get a better picture of ron paul... and stick with one font


in other words, completely change it


You are a nattering nabob of negativity. Arent u the same clown that trashed the Founding Fathers Flyer...which is now spreading across the country like wildfire and getting a great responsr.....I swear your a damn troll.

rather than critisizing everything wont dont u actually try to put something together urself and encourage others.

transistor
08-27-2007, 10:36 PM
proof that the flyer is spreading across the country like wild fire? it would make great kindling...

but anyway, you sound like a sociopath and you have horrible grammar...

here is what i came up with in 1 minute... i have no doubt this would be more well-received
http://i15.tinypic.com/4yg7p5c.jpg

yoshimaroka
08-27-2007, 10:40 PM
Really nice & clean transistor.

Would it be possible to increase the size of the font for the body of text?

Lord Xar
08-27-2007, 10:41 PM
transistor,,, I do agree that yours is better in terms of presentation.. actually, it looks very very nice.
(you should put "representativej ..... " then "Presidential Candidate 2008") - otherewise nobody will really care or "look further"

BUT please.... can you try to explain or give criticism in a nice way.

Max has some really good ideas. His presentation isn't the best, BUT, i have to say his "ideas" and expression is actually top notch.

I mean, those two flyers --- founding fathers and comparision and his latest.. (not the statement of faith...)>.... are very very good.

Max.. do not sweet it. I for one understand that you have VERY good ideas. I am completely serious. I know alot of people on this board are "creative types" and working in the industry, creative types are sticklers for presentation.. hahhahahaha

So try not to take it to heart. The very fact that your ideas are moving is a testament to your 'ideas'! You understand.

Take the "presentation criticism"... But c'mon transistor -- use a little sense when expressing... geeesh !

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A BASH. IT IS NOT. Plus, I think what max does is throw things out there. He says... here is an idea, run with it or use mine.. whatever.
I think that is a good thing. And others here, like i have, can come up with alternatives -- and I think max is totally for that. I just think that many of us tend to critique MORE than giving props.

SO, I just want to throw this out there. Max, your ideas are very very very good. I took the time to modify the founding fathers one cause I thought it was a very unique approach and could make a difference to those reading it.

GreenApples
08-27-2007, 10:42 PM
He does have a point Max. Your flyers are lacking in the aesthetic department.

It is the message that counts, but the flyers are really not pleasing to the eye. No offense, it's just my harsh opinion. I'm trying to critique it constructively.

CasualApathy
08-27-2007, 10:47 PM
Well, I have to say..
I do like the second one better.

But I'm sure both will do just fine.

max
08-27-2007, 10:50 PM
He does have a point Max. Your flyers are lacking in the aesthetic department.

It is the message that counts, but the flyers are really not pleasing to the eye. No offense, it's just my harsh opinion. I'm trying to critique it constructively.

Green...Artistic layout is not my forte. I'm an idea guy...not an artist...But for flyers from volunteers to be placed on windhsields, it's more than OK.

This transistor dude has a habit of knocking everything when he does nothing. My fliers are all posted in Word so he can go in and adjust himself.

I post stuff to help people and many are grateful. Why this guy feels compelled to snipe at everything is beyond me. These are homemade flyers for windshields...not full page ads for Time Magazine.

thomj76
08-27-2007, 10:51 PM
lose the borders.... and keep both tables the same width... and lose the church clipart..... and get a better picture of ron paul... and stick with one font


in other words, completely change it

Lets breathe! Repeat....


People are working very hard to help out in the areas that they can. We have effective tools to create, implement, and follow through with action items.

The initial criticism wasn't as bad as I think it went over.

What a difference a proper emoticon would have made ;)

max
08-27-2007, 10:58 PM
[QUOTE=transistor;149852]proof that the flyer is spreading across the country like wild fire? it would make great kindling...

but anyway, you sound like a sociopath and you have horrible grammar...

here is what i came up with in 1 minute... i have no doubt this would be more well-received
http://i15.tinypic.com/4yg7p5c.jpg[/QUOTE


You kill me you know that... I put an idea/prototype out with the stated intention of having others fine tune and then run with it...

You trash the idea....then what do you do?...You fine tuned it. That was my intention all along...so what's your problem man? Bottom line...were it not for my prototypes, the more polished versions of the Founding Fathers Guide, Voter Guide, and now the Faith Statement would not have evolved....

Do u see what a fool you are?

transistor
08-27-2007, 11:00 PM
sorry, but if you've read his past threads, you'd notice that max doesn't listen to critism. frankly, i think his flyers do more harm than good. i know i wouldn't give it a second glance if i saw it on my windshield

here's the flyer with a different font to make the words larger
http://i16.tinypic.com/4m1q52g.jpg

download the document here http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=078CBF517FAC4D05

transistor
08-27-2007, 11:02 PM
[QUOTE=transistor;149852]proof that the flyer is spreading across the country like wild fire? it would make great kindling...

but anyway, you sound like a sociopath and you have horrible grammar...

here is what i came up with in 1 minute... i have no doubt this would be more well-received
[IG]http://i15.tinypic.com/4yg7p5c.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE


You kill me you know that... I put an idea/prototype out with the stated intention of having others fine tune and then run with it...

You trash the idea....then what do you do?...You fine tuned it. That was my intention all along...so what's your problem man? Bottom line...were it not for my prototypes, the more polished versions of the Founding Fathers Guide, Voter Guide, and now the Faith Statement would not have evolved....

Do u see what a fool you are?

fine tune it? it was a complete overhaul. get over yourself man

max
08-27-2007, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE=transistor;149890]sorry, but if you've read his past threads, you'd notice that max doesn't listen to critism. frankly, i think his flyers do more harm than good. i know i wouldn't give it a second glance if i saw it on my windshield
************************************************** **************************************
when you create a flyer that inspires a previously apolitical businessman to fork over $2,000 (after having received it on his windshield) so it could be run as inserts....get back to me.

when you create a flyer that causes the very same cop who kicked us off Mall property to hunt us down 10 minutes later requesting an RP bumper sticker, get back to me.

richard1984
08-27-2007, 11:06 PM
We should remember that a large population of church goers are elderly and will probably have great difficultly reading such small font. We might be better off going with a two-pages so that the whole thing won't be overlooked as a result of frustration. You know what I mean?

My family's church at home has a really big youth population, but at very least one-third (maybe closer to one-half) of the members are elderly. And most are definitely older adults--i.e., they are becoming more and more farsighted.

Just something to consider.

transistor
08-27-2007, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=transistor;149890]sorry, but if you've read his past threads, you'd notice that max doesn't listen to critism. frankly, i think his flyers do more harm than good. i know i wouldn't give it a second glance if i saw it on my windshield
************************************************** **************************************
when you create a flyer that inspires a previously apolitical businessman to fork over $2,000 (after having received it on his windshield) so it could be run as inserts....get back to me.

when you create a flyer that causes the very same cop who kicked us off Mall property to hunt us down 10 minutes later requesting an RP bumper sticker, get back to me.

just think how much more money you could have gotten if your flyer didn't suck...

max
08-27-2007, 11:07 PM
[QUOTE=max;149888]

fine tune it? it was a complete overhaul. get over yourself man

We are speaking different languages here. I'm talking about a concept...you are talking about the design. I place more weight on the former and leave the design to those with a better eye and better computer skills than I.

max
08-27-2007, 11:08 PM
[QUOTE=max;149903]

just think how much more money you could have gotten if your flyer didn't suck...

LOL...I think your a small petty man who never got validation from his daddy...thats what I think

LibertyEagle
08-27-2007, 11:08 PM
Transistor,

You are being quite rude to Max. You are very good with layout and formatting and your talents are very much appreciated, but Max has come up with some very creative ideas.

He and a few others around here are the ones actually doing something. The rest of us sit back and seem to take pot shots at those who are *doing*. Seriously, why can't the best of all our talents be used together? Max is creative with ideas and you are good with formatting. See how the two go together?

Why fight? Just work together and produce something brilliant.

Lord Xar
08-27-2007, 11:15 PM
[QUOTE=max;149903]

just think how much more money you could have gotten if your flyer didn't suck...

transistor, I am not sure where you are coming from. I think its okay for some people to take "offense" and appear to not take criticism when you tell them "hey, that shit sucks". What would you expect. I have offered Max critisism and it was not a problem.

I can see you do nice work. Lets all work together postively.

transistor
08-27-2007, 11:16 PM
i apologize... i'm glad you're doing something

Lord Xar
08-27-2007, 11:17 PM
i apologize... i'm glad you're doing something

do you know how to use finalcut pro?

transistor
08-27-2007, 11:21 PM
do you know how to use finalcut pro?

never used it... i've only tried video editing once and that was with sony vegas

billm317
08-28-2007, 12:03 AM
VERY nice, clean look transistor

max, you should learn to laugh off criticism (and learn from it)
no one really gives a damn who creates these things. it's not important.
the fact is, we have a very nice looking flyer to target the church crowd

richard1984
08-28-2007, 12:11 AM
We should remember that a large population of church goers are elderly and will probably have great difficultly reading such small font. We might be better off going with a two-pages so that the whole thing won't be overlooked as a result of frustration. You know what I mean?

My family's church at home has a really big youth population, but at very least one-third (maybe closer to one-half) of the members are elderly. And most are definitely older adults--i.e., they are becoming more and more farsighted.

Just something to consider.

I just wanted to reiterate my point. Of course, I prefer the one page statement (excellent job by the way you all--I very much appreciate it, and I have some friends who I am going to give this to immediately), but we must remember that a lot of potential voters may overlook something that they have trouble reading--especially if it's political. Is that not a legitimate point/concern?

LibertyEagle
08-28-2007, 12:43 AM
Transistor..

In the 7th paragraph, shouldn't that be a period, rather than a comma, between aggression and However?

unconsious767
08-28-2007, 12:45 AM
http://i16.tinypic.com/4m1q52g.jpg



There is a problem in paragraph 6, near the end:

...focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us...

I think should read

...focus of our efforts to bring to justice the jihadists that have attacked us....

Nice work folks!

goldenequity
08-28-2007, 07:46 AM
Transistor....
Your download is a .docx file

My MSOffice is old school:(

Thanks
randy

Also...Max,
Could you please post a link to your final version of your Founding Fathers flyer? Thank you Mr. Idea Guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

max
08-28-2007, 08:09 AM
Transistor....
Your download is a .docx file


Also...Max,
Could you please post a link to your final version of your Founding Fathers flyer? Thank you Mr. Idea Guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Here's my final. Lord has an even better one. The designers at my local newspaper (where the insert will be running) are also putting a final one together.

Use this for now if u need something to quickly diownlaod... http://www.ronpaulpostcards.com/foundersflyer.html

krott5333
08-28-2007, 08:26 AM
could someone make transistors flyer into a PDF file please?

you can also host on meetup sites, underneath the files section

goldenequity
08-28-2007, 10:42 AM
Here's my final. Lord has an even better one. The designers at my local newspaper (where the insert will be running) are also putting a final one together.

Use this for now if u need something to quickly diownlaod... http://www.ronpaulpostcards.com/foundersflyer.html

Lord Xar can you post your "founding fathers" flyer version?
thx.

And thx Max FOR EVERYTHING!

transistor
08-28-2007, 11:14 AM
Transistor..

In the 7th paragraph, shouldn't that be a period, rather than a comma, between aggression and However?

what do you guys think? should that be one or two sentences?

"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

Slugg
08-28-2007, 11:28 AM
what do you guys think? should that be one or two sentences?

"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

For one sentence, you would have to lose the capitalized 'H' in However and replace the comma with a semi-colon. (You can use two if you like, but replace the comma with a period). Either one would be grammatically correct.

Once sentence:
"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression; however, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

Two sentences"
"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression. However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

I now think two is better.

transistor
08-28-2007, 11:32 AM
don't you think that this was the original intent though?

"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, however, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

LibertyEagle
08-28-2007, 11:53 AM
what do you guys think? should that be one or two sentences?

"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan."

If you want to keep it as one sentence, the "H" would not be capitalized. That is why I thought you made a simple typo. I haven't checked the original source. Maybe we should do that.

M.Bellmore
08-28-2007, 11:55 AM
I like the word docs, only because I can add the line at the bottom:

"We need volunteers! Please call ### or email at _@_"

Lord Xar
08-28-2007, 12:47 PM
Lord Xar can you post your "founding fathers" flyer version?
thx.

And thx Max FOR EVERYTHING!

Maybe this on one side, and statement of faith on the other?
If you increase the width of my files and the height (to letter size) - you will have enough space to add additional info at the bottom (contact info and such...)

Here is the zip of the files I worked on:

http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_ad.zip

Here are the visuals of the files:

constitution background:
http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_withback.jpg

white background
http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_noback.jpg

lucius
08-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Maybe this on one side, and statement of faith on the other?
If you increase the width of my files and the height (to letter size) - you will have enough space to add additional info at the bottom (contact info and such...)

Here is the zip of the files I worked on:

http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_ad.zip

Here are the visuals of the files:

constitution background:
http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_withback.jpg

white background
http://www.mmashirts.com/openletter_noback.jpg

Sweet idea! Where is a cheap 4-color commercial printer?

LibertyEagle
08-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Sweet idea! Where is a cheap 4-color commercial printer?

Max has talked about one he likes in Oklahoma City. There is also this one...
http://www.taradel.com/

lucius
08-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Thanks LE!

transistor
08-28-2007, 04:07 PM
If you want to keep it as one sentence, the "H" would not be capitalized. That is why I thought you made a simple typo. I haven't checked the original source. Maybe we should do that.

i just copied and pasted it... who know's why that's capitalized...

transistor
08-28-2007, 04:11 PM
here's the the file with the corrections
this is a word 97-03 file

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=373BA1E344F50853

i also added the paragraph max cut out of his... i don't think it's our place to edit ron paul's letter




if these are to be printed in color, i'm sure we could make it flashier

quickmike
08-28-2007, 04:27 PM
proof that the flyer is spreading across the country like wild fire? it would make great kindling...

but anyway, you sound like a sociopath and you have horrible grammar...

here is what i came up with in 1 minute... i have no doubt this would be more well-received
http://i15.tinypic.com/4yg7p5c.jpg

yeah thats a much better picture.

I say if youre gonna take the time to do something like this, you might as well do it all the way instead of half assed, not to say the original was half assed, but come on, that other picture was the worst possible choice LOL I liked the rest though.

LibertyEagle
08-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Here's the original:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

The typo is in there too. Since the "H" is capitalized, I'm guessing a period was intended, rather than a semi-colon. A comma is just flat out wrong.

transistor
08-28-2007, 04:42 PM
Here's the original:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

The typo is in there too. Since the "H" is capitalized, I'm guessing a period was intended, rather than a semi-colon. A comma is just flat out wrong.

yea, you're probably right

goldenequity
08-28-2007, 04:45 PM
here's the the file with the corrections
this is a word 97-03 file

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=373BA1E344F50853

i also added the paragraph max cut out of his... i don't think it's our place to edit ron paul's letter




if these are to be printed in color, i'm sure we could make it flashier

Thanks for that!:)

transistor
08-28-2007, 04:46 PM
Thanks for that!:)

don't forget to change the h to H and the comma to a period in that one if you use it :o

richard1984
08-28-2007, 06:47 PM
Another thing: I would change the "Representative Ron Paul, MD" to "Representative Ron Paul, M.D." Since the medical doctor title is a little out of context considering the political title, perhaps the periods should be included. It's also the more common way to abbreviate 'medical doctor', and this way people won't be trying to remember what state 'MD' is ;).

deedles
08-28-2007, 06:59 PM
Can someone convert this Statement of faith to something that us turtles with old software can open?

Thanks.. .and thanks to Max (again) and Transistor for the really beautiful flyer (again)

I will be placing them on windshields this coming Sunday.

:)

fletcher
08-28-2007, 08:30 PM
Can someone convert this Statement of faith to something that us turtles with old software can open?

Thanks.. .and thanks to Max (again) and Transistor for the really beautiful flyer (again)

I will be placing them on windshields this coming Sunday.

:)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/264398/Ron-Paul-Statement-Of-Faith

I also agree with whoever said it should be put on two pages. On one page it has really small print and old people will not be able to read it.