Liberal Flyer to Promote Ron Paul

[Thelibertywire]

I designed this flier based on another design of republicans. Then Heather did the graphic design. Thanks Heather. Feedback?



http://www.imagehost.ro/pict/2723342446d33550f242f.jpg

[Thelibertywire]

bump. feedback wanted.

use this flier as much as you want people!`

[Thelibertywire]

BUMP.

We worked hard on this.

spread and rate this flier!

[JoshLowry]

Looks great, nice work.

[McDermit]

That looks great!

I'd need to find some more X's for Obama though. He's popular around here, and overall, his positions go over pretty well.... comments about invading Pakistan excluded.

[Lord Xar]

nice.. but on line 5, you spelled enemies wrong.

[ThePieSwindler]

how is this effective? Liberals want socialized medicine, amnesty, and gun control. I don't think those green checks are good for Dr. Paul if you're trying to appeal to liberals.

[Delivered4000]

Instead of 'Against torturing enimies' it should read 'Against Torture'

enemies is spelt wrong too if you want to keep it.

and so is techniques



otherwise I think it looks good

[jj111]

If this is targeted for liberals, I would get delete "against socialized medicine." Many liberals are FOR socialized medicine.

[Delivered4000]

But wouldn't this flyer make them vote for kucinich?

[jj111]

If this is targeted for liberals, I would get rid of "against gun control laws." Many if not most liberals are for "gun control" laws.

[Thelibertywire]

It is designed for the college students. I just laid out the issues. Every other candidate likes to "spin". We are just laying out the facts.

Ill fix the misspellings.

[jj111]

If this is targeted for liberals I would get rid of "against McCain-Feingold." Most liberals seem to be for it, probably most voters do not even know what "McCain-Feingold" is, and I would think even a substantial percentage of conservatives also support McCain Feingold. Remember, McCain who was cosponsor is a Republican. I would just get rid of that line altogether.

[BuddyRey]

REALLY nice!!! In fact, it's extraordinarily good.

Just a couple questions/suggestions here.

1. Aren't rows 5 and 6 basically the same thing? "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" is just "torture" translated into Newspeak.

2. "Socialized medicine" might be too contentious a term to use if the flier is done specifically with liberals in mind (I should know, 'cause I am one!). How about "Against government-run healthcare" or "Against subsidizing big pharma"?

3. A lot of folks may not know what "Real ID & EEVS" refers to. "Against a mandatory national ID card" keeps it simple for people who don't follow politics very closely, and sets up the position so that it's hard to find a reason to disagree with Dr. Paul on the issue.

4. I have to admit that I think McCain-Feingold is a great idea, as do most libs, so there's probably a better way to sell it to them.

[Thelibertywire]

4. I have to admit that I think McCain-Feingold is a great idea, as do most libs, so there's probably a better way to sell it to them


How is limiting free speech a good thing?

[MicroBalrog]

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We worked hard on this.

spread and rate this flier!

"Enimies" is the wrong spelling. IMO you should correct it before printing.

Also remove issues on which Ron is "worse" for the Democrat (like gun control). :)

[BuddyRey]

4. I have to admit that I think McCain-Feingold is a great idea, as do most libs, so there's probably a better way to sell it to them


How is limiting free speech a good thing?

You've got my puzzler puzzling over that one. I thought Mc-F was about public financing of elections, so that wealthy elites like Hillary have to compete in the marketplace of ideas just like commonfolk to win elections.

[BuddyRey]

"Enimies" is the wrong spelling. IMO you should correct it before printing.

Also remove issues on which Ron is "worse" for the Democrat (like gun control). :)

I know I may be the exception rather than the rule, but the reason I left the Democratic Party was because of their stances on gun control and border security. The DLC types won't like it, but you'll do fine with the populist Byron-Dorgancrats.

[jj111]

Here's my handout for liberals.

http://files.meetup.com/496508/Democrats%20for%20Ron%20Paul%20Flyer%209%284%29%20 .doc

Please give feedback regarding fact checking and opinion of choice of content.

If the guy who started this thread or anybody else could help me with graphics and desktop publishing skills, I would love help in getting this to look better graphically.

[sickmint79]

i don't know what mccain-feingold is...

i kinda get the impression barack might be ok with a preemptive attack on iraq... wasn't there a video where gravel was getting on him about this?
torturing enemies/enhanced interrogation = redundant?

[jj111]

The thing I like about my flyer:
1. Almost every question Ron Paul is the right choice and only choice
2. Limited to the 2 most popular democrats: Hillary and Obama (more simple)
3. Limited to typical "left wing" issues or ones popular among left wing.

[james1844]

yeah, I'm with the others on this one. For example, democrats typically are pro-choice and not pro-life, also what about paul's environmental stances and his views on affirmative action? These are issues that matter for liberals.

[Patriot]

It's good but, it's all negative. How about:

For limited government.
For Non-intervention in international affairs.
For Personal liberty and freedom.

ETC.

[RevolutionSD]

Why the question marks?

For example, it's not a question on whether Obama is against pre-emptive war or not. It's a FACT that he supports pre-emptive war.

[Thelibertywire]

Why the question marks?

For example, it's not a question on whether Obama is against pre-emptive war or not. It's a FACT that he supports pre-emptive war.


Gave some people some leverage, because their position isn't extremely clear.
If you have some clear evidence to back up his position, let me know and I will fix it.
Are you talking about the Pakistan comment, because this flier was made before that.

[maiki]

Yeah, If I were a democrat, This would make me go for kucinich. Take out healtcare and gun control, and get some dirt on Kucinich.

I don't know.. He supports the Cuba travel ban, wants amnesty for illegal immigrants, but wants to restrict visas for legal immigrants (that distinction is important, methinks), Votes for internet regulation(not just net neutrality), doesn't support privatizing SS, doesn't allow greater portability of 401k plans, No medical savings accounts, No restrictions on medical lawsuits.

I'm not very good at seeing what democrats would find unnapealing in him though given I'm strongly anti-socialism, lol. But maybe this is a start. People in favor of socialism would probably be pro-kucinich, and a lost cause anyway.

Also, Department of Peace sounds uncontrollably Orwellian, but I don't know how to work that in, since Kucinich doesn't act especially Orwellian.

P.S. Line up the marks better. Is all.

[jjschless]

The X vs Checkmark is a bit odd. Based on the "against" position the X creats a double negative feel.

As in: Clinton is not against the war. This muddles things a bit for those countrymen of ours who are not so quick on the draw.

I suggest removing the X's altogether and leaving a blank space and only using a check mark. And instead of a check mark use an eagle or Presidential seal if it looks good that small. That way it removes any room for error and removes a lot of the clutter. Not every viewer will sit down and study it.

One key element of successful marketing is having the viewer able to navigate the ad quickly and at a glance receive the brunt of the message.

On a side note when we grass roots folk speak or write of Senator Clinton we should always use the word Clinton not just Hillary. Her campaign wishes to distance her from Bill so we must act contra.

[Corey]

Ron Paul recently introduced two bills protecting health freedom. This is a big issue for lefty types and should be for all of us.

It would go over well on these flyers. It woulld also promote a new way of thinking for the more statist-minded: "ahh health freedom....instead of free health care" Believe me, these people love their raw milk, kombucha, vitamins and minerals... and they hate Monsanto, the FDA, the CODEX... (rightfully so).

Ron Paul is right, the message of freedom brings people together.

[foofighter20x]

I see the original flyer I designed is being used by you guys! Cool. :D

[foofighter20x]

Also, Hillary voted for the Real ID Act.

In fact, it passed the Senate 100-0.

[skiingff]

Against Corporate Welfare: Ron Paul

[jj111]

Gave some people some leverage, because their position isn't extremely clear.
If you have some clear evidence to back up his position, let me know and I will fix it.
Are you talking about the Pakistan comment, because this flier was made before that.

Mine uses opposite wording. Mine says "denounced doctrine of preemptive warfare." As far as I know, Ron Paul has denounced this, whereas Hillary and Obama have not. Please correct me if my facts are wrong.

[jj111]

Any suggestions for improvement of mine?

http://files.meetup.com/496508/Democrats%20for%20Ron%20Paul%20Flyer%209%284%29%20 .doc

[Duckman]

How about a line item for "against higher taxes" or "against the IRS" or something to that effect? That clearly draws a distinction between Ron Paul and Kucinich.

As for McCain/Feingold, I think the supporters of that legislation might have had their heart in the right place (limiting government corruption) but the law itself is bad, because it puts limits on when and where you can display political advertising, how much you can spend on it, and other restrictions which run afoul of free speech rights.

I'm all for ending corruption, but I don't think McCain/Feingold is the right way to do it.

[james1906]

I'd suggest removing Tancredo and putting in Huckabee since Huckabee is getting more media play. Tancredo remains an unknown.

[drednot]

Should include:

* against the War on Drugs.

or

* in favor of allowing states to legalize medical marajuana

[LibertyEagle]

1. What is EEVS?
2. To be fair, Fred has since come out against McCain-Feingold and has said he made a mistake.

[Mastiff]

It'll be a tough sell to beat Kucinich for the far lefty types. I agree that socialized medicine and guns should go, since those aren't winners with a liberal crowd. As was mentioned, "against corporate welfare" is good. Maybe something to the effect of "subsidizing oil industry with foreign intervention". Isn't there also an issue to do with medicinal herbs? Hemp? Am I playing too much to the stereotype?

[max]

Hilary and Obama both support patriot Act...yet u list them as "against domestic spying"?

[jj111]

I'd ditch "against domestic spying" since I don't think you can pin a negative on Hillary and Obama on that one. (Both voted against Military Commission Act).

I'd delete Richardson since hardly anybody is supporting him.

[jj111]

I'd ditch all categories that have no red X's on any of the Democrats. If you are showing this to liberals, they don't even care about any of the Republicans except Ron Paul, so I'd get rid of all the other Republicans.

[jj111]

Obama was in Senate in 2005 and I believe was in Senate when Real ID Act passed 100 to 0. You have him as opposing the Real ID Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_id_act

[Thelibertywire]

thanks for all the comments, changes will be made.

feel free to make your own changes

[foofighter20x]

1. What is EEVS?
2. To be fair, Fred has since come out against McCain-Feingold and has said he made a mistake.

Employment Eligibility Verification System.

Basically it's a big government database that says whether or not you can have a job.

It's already in place and used for certain government jobs, but some have pointed to it as the perfect system to make mandatory for the entire economy to keep employers from hiring illegals.

It wouldn't work though. They already pay illegals under the table as it is and don't report them, so I don't see why they'd start with the implementation of a new system.

[EvoPro]

I used to be for gun control before I learned that the 2nd amendment was for protecting us from the government. Then I heard the arguments that when gun control is in place, criminals have the guns and the law abiding citizens don't, which creates more crime. The argument that pilots could have prevented 911 if they were allowed to have guns is also very good.

So I think most democrats are for gun control because they don't know any better. Once they hear the counter arguments, I don't see how they could continue to agree with gun control.

Maybe include an asterik next to gun control and at the bottom include some reasons to be against it.

[peacemonger]

For Liberals I think ending the war on drugs, or ending raids on medical marijuana patients, or legalizing industrial hemp would be more important than 2nd amendment issues. I am going to be including some of these issues on fliers for my campus. College students generally like legalization issues and the democrats can't compete on that.

[M.Bellmore]

I like the format, but I agree about only including the top few dems.

I think it'd be great to have this "table" sort of collection centralized. I was trying to create one targeted at repubs, but your format is superior.

I'd like to see one for:
all top tier candidates
all repubs
all dems + ron
One targeted towards college students
One targeted towards Churches
Any others?

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[born2drv]

I designed this flier based on another design of republicans. Then Heather did the graphic design. Thanks Heather. Feedback?



http://www.imagehost.ro/pict/2723342446d33550f242f.jpg


I think it looks great, awesome job :)

[born2drv]

I would also suggest a line for "Eliminate Income Tax - Replace with Nothing", that might be a good one, and of course unique.

Also another good one "Reduce Government Spending to Pre-2000 Levels"

[M.Bellmore]

Would that fit into 8 1/2 x 11?

Hey if you added received millions in donations from special interests right under the McCain&Feingold would that show Romney's hipocrasy?

Would the "Against NAFTA" play well?