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ChooseLiberty
06-28-2008, 10:14 AM
Another pregnant soldier found dead



The US military was rocked today by the "suspicious" death of a 23-year-old pregnant US soldier, the second female service member this year to die before carrying her child to term.

Megan Lynn Touma, a US army dental specialist, was found dead in a hotel room in North Carolina, not far from where the body of 20-year-old US marine corporal Maria Lauterbach was discovered in January.

Authorities released a statement calling Touma's death "suspicious" and told local media they are opening an investigation. Seven months pregnant and a five-time medal winner, Touma was found when hotel guests reported a strange odour coming from her room.

"The loss of Specialist Touma is very tragic and our heartfelt sympathy and prayers go out to the loved ones she leaves behind," the 18th Airbourne Corps at Fort Bragg, where Touma arrived for duty earlier this month, said in a statement.

Lauterbach disappeared while eight months pregnant and planning to testify to her alleged rape by a fellow soldier, US marine corporal Cesar Armando Lauren. Lauterbach's body was later found on Lauren's property, and he is facing charges in her murder.

The US military has struggled for years with a growing epidemic of sexual assaults on female soldiers. Sex crime reports by service members increased by 40% in 2005 and again by 24% in 2006 before declining slightly in 2007, according to the Pentagon.

Of the 2,688 sex crimes reported last year, 60% were rapes and 72% involved military victims.

An accompanying survey found that 34% of female soldiers and 6% of male soldiers had experienced unwanted sexual harassment while on active duty.

www.guardian.co.uk

phixion
06-28-2008, 10:45 AM
May as well be a cheerleader who walked in to the football teams changing rooms and danced a tease.

I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped. What do they expect will happen when working alongside men when a high proportion will be complete psychopaths.

Pete

LibertyEagle
06-28-2008, 10:57 AM
I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped. What do they expect will happen when working alongside men when a high proportion will be complete psychopaths.


I would likewise have no sympathy for those men, if the womens' brothers or fathers found them and "turned a rooster into a hen with one shot". :p

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 10:59 AM
I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped.

Pete

You are an evil [Personal insult redacted by Mod]

ChooseLiberty
06-28-2008, 11:03 AM
IMO these deaths are a symptom of the lower standards and discipline the military has had to adopt due to recruiting problems.

There's probably a lot more to these stories than is coming out.

RSLudlum
06-28-2008, 11:09 AM
I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped.

Pete

:eek:

WTF??

angelatc
06-28-2008, 11:11 AM
Apparently the armed services need to provide a little bit more concealed weapons training and advice to the women in the military.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 11:19 AM
May as well be a cheerleader who walked in to the football teams changing rooms and danced a tease.

I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped. What do they expect will happen when working alongside men when a high proportion will be complete psychopaths.

Pete

I feel EXACTLY the way you do.

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 11:22 AM
self redacted.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 11:25 AM
Then you also are a dispicable human being.

Ha. Women are a distraction. I doubt that every woman soldier is a tom boy.

moostraks
06-28-2008, 11:30 AM
Ha. Women are a distraction. I doubt that every woman soldier is a tom boy.

You two are pathological...way to blame the victim!!!:mad:

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 11:33 AM
You two are pathological...way to blame the victim!!!:mad:

I'm talking about policy here, I wasn't even discussing the woman this thread is about. Looks like an easy case.

But I just can't believe they let the sexes sleep together and everything. That's taking "equality" a little too far imo. Things like this tend to happen..... It should at least be optional: "do you accept that the men might try to flirt with you and stuff? if not, you get stationed in a different setting" there should be that option for women imo. because that's what some guys do, they try to get the girl.

phixion
06-28-2008, 11:40 AM
You two are pathological...way to blame the victim!!!:mad:

It's pathological if you are a woman and wish to join the army in the same way it's pathological for women to write love letters to serial killers and rapists and wish to be married to them.

Women who purposely place themselves in to situations where it's inveitable they will come to some harm are off their rocker and deserve no sympathy from me.

Women join the military at their own risk, and they know it. If harm comes to them due to the nature of the military, they are as much to blame.

Sorry.

Pete

amy31416
06-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Many of these women are also 18, naive, want to serve their country and have no better options.

It is not the woman's fault. That's just ridiculous.

But, the military needs to change some of their policy, it seems.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 11:51 AM
Many of these women are also 18, naive, want to serve their country and have no better options.

It is not the woman's fault. That's just ridiculous.

But, the military needs to change some of their policy, it seems.

I didn't say it's the woman's fault. I just think things can get hot and heavy if you let men and women be together 24/7. I know if there was a woman in my unit.... I might be inclined to talk to her and maybe even flirt a lil

pinkmandy
06-28-2008, 11:52 AM
I logged out for a few days because of all the unproductive negativity here. I come back and this is the first thread I read. Blaming women who are raped and murdered for being there instead of blaming the men who commit the acts. Nice. I pity some of you. I really do. :(

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 11:56 AM
I logged out for a few days because of all the unproductive negativity here. I come back and this is the first thread I read. Blaming women who are raped and murdered for being there instead of blaming the men who commit the acts. Nice. I pity some of you. I really do. :(

Don't look at me, I was talking about the policy here. I don't support rape.

amy31416
06-28-2008, 11:59 AM
I didn't say it's the woman's fault. I just think things can get hot and heavy if you let men and women be together 24/7. I know if there was a woman in my unit.... I might be inclined to talk to her and maybe even flirt a lil

Hell of a lot different than rape/murder.

Like I said, the military's policy probably needs some tweaking in this regard.

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 12:00 PM
self redacted.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 12:10 PM
You agreed with this statement:

I agreed with the first statement.

34% of female soldiers have reported unwanted sexual harassment. that's....alot. something is not right.

Options, you must have something for me, you completely ignore the other guy and come swinging at me.

ChooseLiberty
06-28-2008, 12:21 PM
The first death wasn't rape/murder. The baby momma was presumed killed by the baby daddy who fled to Mexico. So it was probably just a gruesome psychotic murder.

The second death may be the same. Baby daddy murders the baby momma for whatever reason.

Under former normal military discipline wouldn't these people have been kicked out of the military immediately on finding out a baby daddy soldier got a baby momma soldier pregnant? Yet they were all still in the military? WTF?



Hell of a lot different than rape/murder.

Like I said, the military's policy probably needs some tweaking in this regard.

Omphfullas Zamboni
06-28-2008, 12:26 PM
Joseph,

I interpreted your quote the same way as did Options. Thanks for clarifying. I now understand what you meant.

Sincerely,
Omphfullas Zamboni

Pauliana
06-28-2008, 12:26 PM
Hmmm... I guess it *could* be compared to going to prison. Praying every day that you don't drop the soap.

There is definitely a LOT of testosterone in the military. And then there's Paul Broun wanting to take their pinups away.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Women who purposely place themselves in to situations where it's inveitable they will come to some harm are off their rocker and deserve no sympathy from me.

Women join the military at their own risk, and they know it. If harm comes to them due to the nature of the military, they are as much to blame.



Oh, ok. So men are exempt from one of the crux's of what we have been fighting for... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I've got it now. Men, according to you, are unable to keep their pecker in their pants, so they should be excused from being responsible for their actions. :rolleyes:

Pauliana
06-28-2008, 12:29 PM
Under former normal military discipline wouldn't these people have been kicked out of the military immediately on finding out a baby daddy soldier got a baby momma soldier pregnant? Yet they were all still in the military? WTF?

If that was your ticket out, these days there would be a LOT more pregnant soldiers. I'm guessing. I'd rather have a baby than lose a limb in a roadside bomb. If those were my options.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 12:32 PM
Oh, ok. So men are exempt from one of the crux's of what we have been fighting for... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I've got it now. Men, according to you, are unable to keep their pecker in their pants, so they should be excused from being responsible for their actions. :rolleyes:

lol. you're funny..

maybe we shouldjust disband the military. problem solved

Pauliana
06-28-2008, 12:32 PM
Oh, ok. So men are exempt from one of the crux's of what we have been fighting for... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I've got it now. Men, according to you, are unable to keep their pecker in their pants, so they should be excused from being responsible for their actions. :rolleyes:

Well, no, but if you step in a pit of snakes, and the snakes act like snakes and bite you, you can still be upset with the snakes, but how about just not stepping in their pit next time?

ChooseLiberty
06-28-2008, 12:32 PM
It is a ticket out of combat zone duty for women. After the start of both Iraq wars there was a dramatic increase in female soldiers suddenly becoming pregnant.

Or maybe it was just coincidence.



If that was your ticket out, these days there would be a LOT more pregnant soldiers. I'm guessing. I'd rather have a baby than lose a limb in a roadside bomb. If those were my options.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2008, 12:32 PM
It's just my personal opinion, but I think it was a big mistake to allow women to be in combat. It's way to diversionary to have both sexes in this type of scenario. Their minds need to be completely on the task at hand; not their hormones.

Like I said... just my opinion.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2008, 12:33 PM
lol. you're funny..

maybe we shouldjust disband the military. problem solved

Oh, so you're saying that men don't have the capability to control themselves?

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 12:34 PM
Oh, so you're saying that men don't have the capability to control themselves?

hmm. sure they do. I control myself everytime I see a woman that makes my heart beat fast.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2008, 12:35 PM
lol

Pauliana
06-28-2008, 12:36 PM
It's just my personal opinion, but I think it was a big mistake to allow women to be in combat. It's way to diversionary to have both sexes in this type of scenario. Their minds need to be completely on the task at hand; not their hormones.

Like I said... just my opinion.

Well its not the right choice for *ME*. I'm such a dish I'd DEFINITELY distract the boys. ;) Luckily I have the choice to make still. Can you imagine that I could have a daughter and someday she'd be drafted into combat? The thought of that really bothers me, and no one can promise me it will never happen.

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 12:39 PM
It's just my personal opinion, but I think it was a big mistake to allow women to be in combat. It's way to diversionary to have both sexes in this type of scenario. Their minds need to be completely on the task at hand; not their hormones.

Like I said... just my opinion.

For practical reasons, women are not allowed to deploy on submarines because if one gets pregnant, the sub is not going to home port to find an obstetriian for her, they've got a 6 month Med tour that isn't stopping for anyone.

Disallowing women to serve in certain areas of battle is one thing, but for the first response to the OP (edited) to so casually have no sympathy for violent acts against women is a different subject.

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 12:44 PM
And I apologize for getting pissy with JTL for misunderstanding what he EXACTLY agreed with when quoting an entire post.

Nirvikalpa
06-28-2008, 01:20 PM
This whole thread disgusts me. Literally, disgusts me. Then people wonder why only 3% of rapes are ever reported.

"They deserved it."
"Oh, she dressed for it."
"She had it coming to her."
"What did you expect."
"She was around guys all day."

You make me sick.

moostraks
06-28-2008, 01:22 PM
Oh, ok. So men are exempt from one of the crux's of what we have been fighting for... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I've got it now. Men, according to you, are unable to keep their pecker in their pants, so they should be excused from being responsible for their actions. :rolleyes:

+1 :eek:

moostraks
06-28-2008, 01:34 PM
Well, no, but if you step in a pit of snakes, and the snakes act like snakes and bite you, you can still be upset with the snakes, but how about just not stepping in their pit next time?

Geesh...Funny the co-sleeping quarters occurs in many fire departments too. I guess women need to stay out of that field. How about late night board meetings. Overnight sessions in Congress (didn't they have a sleep in a while back??)Wonder how many other areas we could disqualify a woman from working in as we excuse men for not keeping their pants zipped???

You folks are acting like all that works for the military are balls of hormones with no self control and therefore it is the publics responsibility to protect people from their baser nature by having more control. Odd stance to take in this forum...Why should we not expect people to be responsibile and then hold them accountable for their actions instead of blaming the victim and excusing the perpetrator because they could not help themselves.

You know the guys chose as well to join an agency that will deploy them for long periods of time in which they will knowingly not be in a position to have sex, why are you not holding those guys culpable for their choices??? :confused:

Nirvikalpa
06-28-2008, 01:37 PM
geesh...funny the co-sleeping quarters occurs in many fire departments too. I guess women need to stay out of that field. How about late night board meetings. Overnight sessions in congress (didn't they have a sleep in a while back??)wonder how many other areas we could disqualify a woman from working in as we excuse men for not keeping their pants zipped???

You folks are acting like all that works for the military are balls of hormones with no self control and therefore it is the publics responsibility to protect people from their baser nature by having more control. Odd stance to take in this forum...why should we not expect people to be responsibile and then hold them accountable for their actions instead of blaming the victim and excusing the perpetrator because they could not help themselves.

You know the guys chose as well to join an agency that will deploy them for long periods of time in which they will knowingly not be in a position to have sex, why are you not holding those guys culpable for their choices??? :confused:

qft

moostraks
06-28-2008, 01:40 PM
I'm talking about policy here, I wasn't even discussing the woman this thread is about. Looks like an easy case.

But I just can't believe they let the sexes sleep together and everything. That's taking "equality" a little too far imo. Things like this tend to happen..... It should at least be optional: "do you accept that the men might try to flirt with you and stuff? if not, you get stationed in a different setting" there should be that option for women imo. because that's what some guys do, they try to get the girl.

Tend to happen??? Talking policy??? A swiftly applied knee to the groin might make them think twice, as well as serious discipline for those who commit infractions. That is what the military is guilty of, not punishing severely enough those who harass and abuse others of either sex in this manner. Adults should be perfectly capable of sleeping in the same vicinity and not raping those they sleep near. Part of being an adult, much less a human, is accepting personnel responsibilty....

amy31416
06-28-2008, 01:46 PM
And men bitch and imply that women are stupid for not being a larger percentage of this movement.

Check yourselves, my brothahs.

Nirvikalpa
06-28-2008, 01:55 PM
And men bitch and imply that women are stupid for not being a larger percentage of this movement.

Check yourselves, my brothahs.

Also what I was going to say. :D

JosephTheLibertarian
06-28-2008, 01:59 PM
ok. maybe we need an all female military. Will that solve the problem? lol

I wasn't defending rape. I was just pointing out that 34% of ALL female soldiers being sexually harassed a high number, even when you take into account that not all occurences are reported.

Mach
06-28-2008, 02:10 PM
I skipped ahead......

it's simple, put a guy out in the fields experiencing war on a daily basis, killing people and all of the other violence, then, you think they will just turn it off when they walk away from that environment, you can't order people to go around hunting humans and then be shocked when they kill someone that you preferred they hadn't......... hypocrites.

amy31416
06-28-2008, 02:11 PM
ok. maybe we need an all female military. Will that solve the problem? lol

I wasn't defending rape. I was just pointing out that 34% of ALL female soldiers being sexually harassed a high number, even when you take into account that not all occurences are reported.

I don't know what would solve the problem, perhaps there's an already existing model out there that addresses these specific things. I know that the Israeli military has male and female members. Maybe they don't have as great of a problem.

Nirvikalpa
06-28-2008, 02:11 PM
ok. maybe we need an all female military. Will that solve the problem? lol

I wasn't defending rape. I was just pointing out that 34% of ALL female soldiers being sexually harassed a high number, even when you take into account that not all occurences are reported.

Haven't you learned from quoting somebody in full and then being misunderstood already once before? Make yourself clear next time, and people will understand.

ChooseLiberty
06-28-2008, 02:40 PM
Whatchu talkin bout Willis?




Disallowing women to serve in certain areas of battle is one thing, but for the OP to so casually have no sympathy for violent acts against women is a different subject.

OptionsTrader
06-28-2008, 02:41 PM
Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

I meant to say the first response to the OP, my mistake.

familydog
06-28-2008, 03:02 PM
It's just my personal opinion, but I think it was a big mistake to allow women to be in combat. It's way to diversionary to have both sexes in this type of scenario. Their minds need to be completely on the task at hand; not their hormones.

Like I said... just my opinion.

Then men should take personal responsibility and not focus on their hormones. Instead they should focus on their job. Women in combat are not the problem. Men who have no self-control, are.

familydog
06-28-2008, 03:05 PM
this whole thread disgusts me. Literally, disgusts me. Then people wonder why only 3% of rapes are ever reported.

"they deserved it."
"oh, she dressed for it."
"she had it coming to her."
"what did you expect."
"she was around guys all day."

you make me sick.

+1

AmericaFyeah92
06-28-2008, 04:54 PM
I skipped ahead......

it's simple, put a guy out in the fields experiencing war on a daily basis, killing people and all of the other violence, then, you think they will just turn it off when they walk away from that environment, you can't order people to go around hunting humans and then be shocked when they kill someone that you preferred they hadn't......... hypocrites.

i agree with you that they are likely to snap when they are in the field, but coming home and getting a chick pregnant and then murdering her is a different matter.

by your logic, it would be perfectly understandable for a soldier to come home and massacre some kindergardeners after a tour of combat.

Roxi
06-28-2008, 06:04 PM
May as well be a cheerleader who walked in to the football teams changing rooms and danced a tease.

I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped. What do they expect will happen when working alongside men when a high proportion will be complete psychopaths.

Pete


thats about as dumb as saying someone who dies in a car accident "had it coming"... ???but-- what do they expect when they get in a 1,000 pound hunk of metal on wheels doing 70 mph???

betcha i can guess what state your from within 4 guesses:rolleyes:

Mach
06-30-2008, 01:09 AM
i agree with you that they are likely to snap when they are in the field, but coming home and getting a chick pregnant and then murdering her is a different matter.

by your logic, it would be perfectly understandable for a soldier to come home and massacre some kindergardeners after a tour of combat.

How come there are a lot of people around here that only understand what they want to understand...... with feeeeeewing.

Just because someone gives a logical common sense viewpoint does not mean that they in any way, shape and/or form accept, condone or support a particular issue. Also, I can rationalize the "murder", but I myself can't understand it. Quit using shock and awe to explain where you're coming from.... "massacre some kindergardeners".... it is a definite form of personal subversion, way to get people to see your side of things more clearly, personal guilt.

So, again, killing some women and children in the field is understandable, but, out of the field they should pull out their 'other' personality? ...... keep that rage bottled up until they go back out into the field and do their job....... to kill Sir!! The problem there is, sooner or later there is no more field.

muh_roads
06-30-2008, 10:10 AM
I say there should be a new law. Just like the 2nd amendment frightens criminals...
If a woman is raped and it is proven who did it, if she survives the ordeal she has the right to kill him, firing squad style.

That would help keep the psychopath men a little more at bay. Just having that lingering fear in the military would prevent a lot of people from even trying to flirt with the opposite sex. And maybe...gasp...they'd actually be in there doing what they're supposed to be doing.

EDIT: Of course it will need to be proven without a shadow of a doubt he actually did rape her. Many women out there do cry false rape just for attention...

acptulsa
06-30-2008, 10:21 AM
self redacted.

Yeah, me too. Couldn't even get halfway through this thread.

literatim
06-30-2008, 10:24 AM
I don't think men and women should be serving next to each other in the military.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 10:26 AM
I don't think men and women should be serving next to each other in the military.

I don't care. Has nothing to do with me, I'm just a RPF "pundit."

angelatc
06-30-2008, 10:34 AM
Many of these women are also 18, naive, want to serve their country and have no better options.

It is not the woman's fault. That's just ridiculous.

But, the military needs to change some of their policy, it seems.

Equality doesn't mean getting special treatment. Soldiers, sailors, marines....they beat each other up all the time. Sometimes they kill each other. Just because one of them is a woman doesn't make the crime any more severe than it would have been if the victim was a man.

angelatc
06-30-2008, 10:35 AM
I don't think men and women should be serving next to each other in the military.

Oh well, then don't join the miitary. Or make all the men quit.

angelatc
06-30-2008, 10:38 AM
I don't know what would solve the problem, perhaps there's an already existing model out there that addresses these specific things. I know that the Israeli military has male and female members. Maybe they don't have as great of a problem.

Americans are really a lot more hung up on sex than the rest of the world. It's our puritan roots that are the cause of the biggest problems.

If we could ever just get used to the fact that men and women have sex, half this nonsense would disappear.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 10:57 AM
Americans are really a lot more hung up on sex than the rest of the world. It's our puritan roots that are the cause of the biggest problems.

If we could ever just get used to the fact that men and women have sex, half this nonsense would disappear.

They do? hmm

revolutionman
06-30-2008, 11:26 AM
The true value of life, can only be seen in the eyes of the dead. Many soldiers come to this conclusion after accidentially killing enough unarmed civilian women and children. Eventually murdering a human being becomes no different than stomping out a cockroach. You do it because you can, or because it suits you, not because the cockroach will harm you.

yongrel
06-30-2008, 11:42 AM
The problem ain't with the women, or with the men; it's with lax discipline and supervision from above.

This is a cultural problem within the military. The armed forces have apparently unwittingly cultivated a culture where it is acceptable for women to be sexually harassed.

Where the fuck are the commanding officers when this sexual harassment is happening?

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 11:46 AM
The problem ain't with the women, or with the men; it's with lax discipline and supervision from above.

This is a cultural problem within the military. The armed forces have apparently unwittingly cultivated a culture where it is acceptable for women to be sexually harassed.

Where the fuck are the commanding officers when this sexual harassment is happening?

Maybe they're the ones doing it lol

acptulsa
06-30-2008, 11:50 AM
Maybe they're the ones doing it lol

No maybe to it. Not funny, either. They are the ones doing it.

Introduce someone desirable into the most heirarchical system you can find in the nation and see what happens. Duh--power corrupts is what happens. Look at Pvt. Lynch. No, the power structures of the armed forces aren't doing their jobs.

Fun in the short term. Screws all of us in the long term.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1384826&postcount=7

FindLiberty
06-30-2008, 12:00 PM
War is Hell. It can create monsters on many levels (a few rapists, hair-trigger detached killers) and war can cause various other bad (bully) habits too. It leaves the majority with scars and some memories that they'd just as soon forget. Others do get a positive experience, an education and some fiat pay out of the deal.

The topic here is very sad but not surprising given the violent training and combat environment combined with the players background (age, sex, isolation) all in close concentration.

So far, a solution is illusive. Gotta' end this insane war and bring 'em home ASAP, but I also hope everyone can figure out a way to leave the "monster part" behind!

angelatc
06-30-2008, 12:19 PM
ok. maybe we need an all female military. Will that solve the problem? lol

I wasn't defending rape. I was just pointing out that 34% of ALL female soldiers being sexually harassed a high number, even when you take into account that not all occurences are reported.

Oh, they're a bunch of cry babies. They should take a lead from Amy Winehouse. If a guy grabs your tit, you punch him.

Instead, they fill out forms and have hearings, reinforcing the myth that women need somebody to protect them.

Sexual harassment is PC bullshit.

acptulsa
06-30-2008, 12:26 PM
I can't help but wonder if there would be less turning up dead if there weren't career-killing prohibitions against fraternization and adultry in the military code.

Theocrat
06-30-2008, 12:29 PM
Another pregnant soldier found dead

Was this a double homicide or not?

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 12:30 PM
Was this a double homicide or not?

It wasn't born yet...

acptulsa
06-30-2008, 12:34 PM
Was this a double homicide or not?

Is there an air marshal in the house? I smell a hijacking...

Mckarnin
06-30-2008, 12:38 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Chastity_belt_Heyser_0.png/225px-Chastity_belt_Heyser_0.png

yongrel
06-30-2008, 12:41 PM
^my favourite part is that the inventor of this painful looking contraption was thoughtful enough to include air holes. "Well, I want the wearer to be in mind-numbing agony, but I also want him to enjoy a pleasant breeze now and then."

Mckarnin
06-30-2008, 12:47 PM
^my favourite part is that the inventor of this painful looking contraption was thoughtful enough to include air holes. "Well, I want the wearer to be in mind-numbing agony, but I also want him to enjoy a pleasant breeze now and then."

LOL! If guys have no control we can take care of that problem... :rolleyes:

Mckarnin
06-30-2008, 12:50 PM
^my favourite part is that the inventor of this painful looking contraption was thoughtful enough to include air holes. "Well, I want the wearer to be in mind-numbing agony, but I also want him to enjoy a pleasant breeze now and then."

P.S. The air holes also insure that you are still in ok reproductive shape if/when you are set free.

angelatc
06-30-2008, 01:00 PM
It wasn't born yet...

It probably depends on which state you are in.

Nirvikalpa
06-30-2008, 01:29 PM
+1 to McKarnin

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 01:31 PM
LOL! If guys have no control we can take care of that problem... :rolleyes:

Sure. Can you come to my house?

Theocrat
06-30-2008, 01:35 PM
It wasn't born yet...

You just can't answer the question straightly, can you? You know what it is, yet you want to deny the obvious answer implied in my question. You are a libertine, indeed.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 01:41 PM
You just can't answer the question straightly, can you? You know what it is, yet you want to deny the obvious answer implied in my question. You are a libertine, indeed.

lol. Doesn't matter, the military punishes even minor crimes harshly. He's done for. He's a goner, unless he can pull off a miracle.

Of it being a double homicide or not is largely irrelevent in my personal opinion.

Theocrat
06-30-2008, 01:54 PM
lol. Doesn't matter, the military punishes even minor crimes harshly. He's done for. He's a goner, unless he can pull off a miracle.

Of it being a double homicide or not is largely irrelevent in my personal opinion.

Okay, libertine-who-thinks-it's-okay-to-murder-babies-in-the-womb.

Nirvikalpa
06-30-2008, 02:02 PM
I hope it is tried as a double-homicide... but I know it won't be.

Theocrat
06-30-2008, 02:04 PM
I hope it is tried as a double-homicide... but I know it won't be.

I hope so, too. I think legal precedent will show that it is, if nothing else.

JosephTheLibertarian
06-30-2008, 02:06 PM
I hope it is tried as a double-homicide... but I know it won't be.

ok. I change my stance, for you. Double homicide FTW! ;)

familydog
06-30-2008, 02:39 PM
Was this a double homicide or not?

I think it just may.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 might cover it.

Reason
04-17-2009, 11:24 PM
YouTube - Marine Returned to NC to Face Murder Charge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbXkvBB3scI)

amy31416
04-17-2009, 11:47 PM
May as well be a cheerleader who walked in to the football teams changing rooms and danced a tease.

I have no sympathy for women who join the army and are subsequently raped. What do they expect will happen when working alongside men when a high proportion will be complete psychopaths.

Pete

Come here. I have a little something for you. . .

youngbuck
04-17-2009, 11:58 PM
Apparently the armed services need to provide a little bit more concealed weapons training and advice to the women in the military.

That'd be the most sensible thing to do. I'm sure there's an agenda somewhere to prevent that though.

And yes, the charges should include double-homicide.