Please don't tie RP in with conspiracy theories

[Sematary]

I understand that many supporters are passionate about their causes - 9/11, freedom to fascism, etc... etc... but mainstream Americans are NOT going to listen if you tie him in with this stuff. All that is going to happen is they are going to be turned OFF to Ron Paul. Stick to HIS message until we get him elected THEN work on your own agendas. Right now we need to make him appeal to the average American.

[trispear]

Seconded.

[james1844]

Definetly, I don't agree with a lot of RP's positions, but my personal feelings are secondary to the campaign's message.

[Slugg]

I think Miss. South Carolina said it best:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/34578/

This, my friends, is the enemy. Ignorance.

[richard1984]

Right. When I first talk to people about him I tell them about his career as a physician, that he's delivered over 4000 babies, that he voted against the war in Iraq and that he wants to bring our troops home immediately, that we wants to get rid of the income tax, that he actually adheres to the Constitution, that he really understand economics, etc. Basically, until I know who I'm talking to, I only talk about straightforward, general issues that everyone can relate to. That almost always sparks interest and almost never turns people off.

[Sematary]

I think Miss. South Carolina said it best:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/34578/

This, my friends, is the enemy. Ignorance.

Is she retarded?

[Slugg]

Is she retarded?

Doesn't matter. She's a voter.

[Sematary]

Doesn't matter. She's a voter.

What the hell is she voting for? I don't even think SHE could find the United States on a map. Hell, I doubt if she could find the stage without some help.
I'm all for the "she's a voter" thing. that's fine - but her answer was so screwed up.

[richard1984]

Is she retarded?

But yes. Unfortunately so. She used to be ugly but smart, then she got abducted by aliens and they turned her inside out. So now she's really attractive on the outside, but damn retarted on the inside. Those crazy aliens! :p

[LibertyEagle]

I think Miss. South Carolina said it best:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/34578/

This, my friends, is the enemy. Ignorance.

OMG! :eek: What an idiot!

[Sematary]

OMG! :eek: What an idiot!

Here's the answer she SHOULD have given:

Thanks to federal intervention in the education process, the American people have been denied a quality education and the way to fix this is to get rid of the Department of Education and return education to the states and municipalities.


Of course, I realize, she doesn't know what half those words mean - but it's what she should have said. ;)

[Slugg]

What the hell is she voting for? I don't even think SHE could find the United States on a map. Hell, I doubt if she could find the stage without some help.
I'm all for the "she's a voter" thing. that's fine - but her answer was so screwed up.

I know, I was just being melodramatic.


It's just so bad I feel sorry for the poor girl.

[Slugg]

Here's the answer she SHOULD have given:

Thanks to federal intervention in the education process, the American people have been denied a quality education and the way to fix this is to get rid of the Department of Education and return education to the states and municipalities.


Of course, I realize, she doesn't know what half those words mean - but it's what she should have said. ;)

Your answer is better than what I would have said.

I would have said, "5% ain't bad"

[Sematary]

I know, I was just being melodramatic.


It's just so bad I feel sorry for the poor girl.

I feel sorry for our country if this is what we are producing.

[Kregener]

While I could not expect her to answer like Ron Paul would have, that was a sad commentary for our youth.

"Such as...such as".

Wha....?

[AFTFNJ]

Freedom To Fascism video is not a conspiracy theory!!!! Your so brainwashed you think the truth is a conspiracy theory!!! As far as 9/11 is concerned most people are not ready for it. There brain has been conditioned in such a way that when you bring up 9/11 truth it goes into Cruise control, since what ever I say will be BULLSHIT in there mind.

But the truth is much much stranger then fiction. I know for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job but I will not bring that up when trying to promote RP. If your ready for a wake up call I recommend you watch these videos...if not please stay in your bubble & refrain from making ignorant comments without watching the videos. AND YES the MEDIA IS BIASED thats why you never heard of Tom Cryer or the director of Star wars program under Regan who is a 9/11 truther too.

http://www.ae911truth.org/ -Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth
Proof of Controlled Demolition 9/11 - Architect speaks out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6883441047197474365 Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4995319675737766037 Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7686303663508827383 Part 3
149 Engineers have signed of on this video. It was made by an Richard Gage a
professionally licensed architect .

9/11 Press for truth a documentary made by the families who lost loved ones on 9/11. The only documentary that does not mention 9/11 as a insidejob but makes it painfully obvious that it is a inside job.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth&total=169&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=13

[constituent]

aftfnj...

don't bother w/ libertyeagle, it'll only earn you her ire. either you agree w/ her or you're wrong... face it and move on to are more worthwhile thread.

[libertarianguy]

test

[constituent]

the people who will say to not get involved w/ war protestors or to mention aftf or 9/11

are the same people who claim all those groups are working together (in some form or another be it the communist party or whatever) to defeat ron paul's candidacy from the inside.


talk about tin-foil hat.

[Kregener]

Ron Paul is IN AFTF...

[Slugg]

talk about tin-foil hat.

I re-enforce mine with chopsticks! :p

[constituent]

hey... that's a good idea.

hold on, brb!

[Slugg]

hey... that's a good idea.

hold on, brb!

Yeah, just make sure the pointy ends are up (it hurts less and gets better reception).

[LibertyEagle]

aftfnj...

don't bother w/ libertyeagle, it'll only earn you her ire. either you agree w/ her or you're wrong... face it and move on to are more worthwhile thread.

POT, KETTLE......

[ThePieSwindler]

Wait i think i've seen this thread before...
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many
many times

[JMann]

Freedom To Fascism video is not a conspiracy theory!!!! Your so brainwashed you think the truth is a conspiracy theory!!! As far as 9/11 is concerned most people are not ready for it. There brain has been conditioned in such a way that when you bring up 9/11 truth it goes into Cruise control, since what ever I say will be BULLSHIT in there mind.

But the truth is much much stranger then fiction. I know for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job but I will not bring that up when trying to promote RP. If your ready for a wake up call I recommend you watch these videos...if not please stay in your bubble & refrain from making ignorant comments without watching the videos. AND YES the MEDIA IS BIASED thats why you never heard of Tom Cryer or the director of Star wars program under Regan who is a 9/11 truther too.

Geezus- These folks are why RP will have to fight to win. No one, absolutely no one wants to be bunched in with lunatics.

[LibertyEagle]

the people who will say to not get involved w/ war protestors or to mention aftf or 9/11

are the same people who claim all those groups are working together (in some form or another be it the communist party or whatever) to defeat ron paul's candidacy from the inside.

talk about tin-foil hat.

And where are you getting that from, pray tell?

What is so terrible about sticking to Ron Paul's OWN MESSAGE? Is it not good enough for you, or what?

[LibertyEagle]

...but I will not bring that up when trying to promote RP.

Glad to hear it.


If your ready for a wake up call I recommend you watch these videos...if not please stay in your bubble & refrain from making ignorant comments without watching the videos. AND YES the MEDIA IS BIASED thats why you never heard of Tom Cryer or the director of Star wars program under Regan who is a 9/11 truther too.

There are some good things in a lot of videos. There are some not so good things also.

The only part of Russo's film I'm really worried about is the part about the income tax. I would like to know if Dr. Paul agrees to what was in this film. If he did, then, there wouldn't be anything wrong with distributing them in his name. Problem is, I've never heard that Dr. Paul agrees with the contents of this video. Have you?

Note: You are talking about Bob Bowman. I will remind you that George Bush Sr. was Reagan's VP. Being in Reagan's administration does not necessarily equate with being above board.

[AFTFNJ]

Geezus- These folks are why RP will have to fight to win. No one, absolutely no one wants to be bunched in with lunatics.


Your making arrogant comments without watching the video. I guess people pursuing truth & justice for people who died are considered lunatics..now... We need to abolish dept of EDU asap like RP said..I can see the grasp on educated debate is lacking in most people here...watch the video..debate ..its not that hard!

Despite recent C-Span and news coverage, most Americans have no idea that there is a growing body of respected Professors, Physicists, Engineers, Scientists, Pilots, Intelligence and Law Enforcement Officers, as well as Foreign Government Officials bringing forth unanswered questions, evidence and expert witness testimony, all of which indicates that we were NOT told the truth about the events of 9/11 in the 9/11 Commission’s Report.

Before you dismiss this as being nothing more than a “Conspiracy Theory”, please review this partial list of prominent people who challenge the 9/11 Commission findings and who champion a new, full and impartial investigation into the events preceding, during and since September 11, 2001:

People below are all 9/11 Truthers..& all lunatics right?

Col Robert Bowman (ret), Caltech PhD in aeronautics and nuclear engineering, Former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development - U.S. Air Force (Star Wars program) under President Reagan;

Ray McGovern, Former CIA Intelligence Advisor to Reagan and George HW Bush and founder of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity;

Senator Mark Dayton – Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services.

Steven Jones, Physics Professor, BYU;

David Ray Griffin, Author, Professor Emeritus Claremont School of Theology;

Kevin Ryan, former Department Head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories) company which certified the steel which went into the World Trade Center buildings at construction, and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001;

Paul Craig Roberts, Former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal;

The Honourable Paul Hellyer, Former Canadian National Defense Minister;

Michael Meacher MP, Member of the British Parliament since 1970;

David Shayler, Former MI-6 British Counter Intelligence Officer;

Sibel Edmonds, FBI interpreter (under a gag order not to release info damaging to US Business and Government Officials);

Morgan Reynolds, Chief Economist in GW Bush administration;

Andreas von Buelow, former German Defense
Minister;

Paul Lannoye – Member of the European Union Parliament

Senator Max Cleland, former 9/11 Commissioner;

Edward L. Peck – Former Deputy Director, White House Task Force on Terrorism. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq.

US Green Party;

Fire Engineering Magazine;

James Fetzer, Distinguished McKnight University Professor;

A.K Dewdney, Professor of Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, and founder of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven (SPINE);

Morton Goulder – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter.

USAF Col. George Nelson (Ret), Aircraft crash investigation authority;

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project

USAF Col. Don de Grand-Pre (Ret), Former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East;

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, A former member of the ABLE DANGER effort to target Al Qaeda’s global structure.

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – former Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence.

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq.

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA

William Rodriguez, (acknowledged hero and last man out of the north tower);

Robert David Steele – Co-founder of U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence Command

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the FAA

Representative Cynthia McKinney, US Congress

Dan Ellsberg, Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD;

General Leonid Ivashov, Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense;

Over 100 9/11 victim family members

…and many many more. For more names visit http://patriotsquestion911.com/

[constituent]

yes... w/ the thumbs... i knew it'd work...


i heart liberty eagle...

i'm glad you can atleast start framing us together...

POT calling the KETTLE... i'll take it.

find that aj stuff yet?

[constituent]

LibertyEagle in the Code Pink Thread:
We need to make damn sure that CodePink is not a new name for a Socialist or Marxist group. I have not vetted the information, but there certainly are a lot of claims that this is exactly what they are:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...-CDA0EEBACE71}


I am not saying that they shouldn't be approached, however, what has alarmed me is seeing talk of approaching them outside of the upcoming REPUBLICAN Texas Straw Poll, because apparently they will be there. This WOULD NOT be a good idea. Please don't be seen wearing Ron Paul attire and standing even NEAR these people.


i can find more, but am not that interested in UTSE all and shuffling through your 4,000+ posts... i was just trying to engage you for the hell of it anyway.

take it easy, enjoy your monday... let me know about alex jones.

[constituent]

and on libertyeagle's side in this discussion:

russo's editing of the Ron Paul interview left much to be desired... is it just me or is that scene about paul or russo?

[Ozwest]

I am a truther, and am well studied. My conclusions were derrived from many hours of research. It is sometimes frustrating having my beliefs being attacked by the lowest common denominator. It should be of no surprise that truthers would support Ron Paul. Most of us are not kooks(get the irony), dislike authourity, don't like big government, and are independently minded. As Ron Paul supporters(The Man) would understand generalisations may irritate one's left testicle. Nonetheless, in support of Ron Paul I'll scratch my right testicle(for the time being).

[constituent]

there's just too many posts and thread containing alex jones... i'll give you that, i ain't wasting my time w/ it either.

i'll just remember how i did... you and bc remember how you did.

really though, consider what i was saying about his drawing conclusions versus putting words in ron paul's mouth... and also the many many many interviews in years past. try to appreciate that there is much understood between the two of them, one has better discretion than the other. a.j. has a higher tendency toward 'zealotry' (though i feel that word is a little strong to describe him, but i know how he can appear to some).

[LibertyEagle]

You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that just because he's been interviewed by AJ, that means he agrees with everything Alex does. That's not the fact. All it means is that he is giving an interview to a radio show who invited him.

He's also been interviewed by Wolf Blitzer. Does that fact mean that he agrees with all of Blitzer's stances on issues?

I think you get the point.

[JMann]

Your making arrogant comments without watching the video. I guess people pursuing truth & justice for people who died are considered lunatics..now... We need to abolish dept of EDU asap like RP said..I can see the grasp on educated debate is lacking in most people here...watch the video..debate ..its not that hard!

Have mercy. I guess you probably think 20 people shot JFK. There is no benefit to anyone for causing the attacks. We saw the planes fly into the buildings. For the folks that say the building couldn't collapse look at the bridge in Oakland this year that had a gas tanker explode underneath it. Why you would buy into this is beyond me but please stop calling yourself a truther and don't tie Ron Paul into that mess.

[LibertyEagle]

find that aj stuff yet?

I think I told you that you could go look it up on this board. That's what the search facility is all about. I don't personally like to remind myself of what AJ did, because all it will do is make me angry all over again. If however, you somehow missed the whole ordeal, it would probably be beneficial for you to become acquainted with it. Go for it.

[LibertyEagle]

Have mercy. I guess you probably think 20 people shot JFK. There is no benefit to anyone for causing the attacks. We saw the planes fly into the buildings. For the folks that say the building couldn't collapse look at the bridge in Oakland this year that had a gas tanker explode underneath it. Why you would buy into this is beyond me but please stop calling yourself a truther and don't tie Ron Paul into that mess.

No. But, I'm here to tell you that it makes one heck of a lot more sense than believing that ONE person did it, and a magic bullet that can do backflips.

[mdh]

Sematary, did you really have to go and start this war over again? Things were so calm for so long.

[constituent]

actually libertyeagle you seem to be jumping to the conclusion that i'm jumping to the conclusion that.


no, it's that i've been listening to alex jones interviewing ron paul for years, watching his floor speeches on c-span for years, watching him appear on different interviews and things like that for years!!

i'm a huge fan of ron paul, and know where he stands... i don't need you to approve of my perspective on this. you, sweetheart, are wrong on this...

however, i don't feel like arguing it out w/ you all day.. which seems to be your primary mission in these parts... "recognize that fella?"

i try to engage you in a little dialogue rather than pick at one another constantly and have you point your finger and explain why everyone else is wrong, maintain a crappy attitude and.. blah!!! it never ends w/ you. so i'm not going to bother.

you win libertyeagle... you have proven yourself the coldest shrew of them all. hooray! you and foofighter rock at destroying this place!

[Ozwest]

Alex Jones may go over the top. He's angry. That's talk radio. He has informed people not to trust MSM and research tjhe facts for themselves.

[Electric Church]

but mainstream Americans are NOT going to listen if you tie him in with this stuff.


Soon, the mainstream Americans and the mainstream world will stop listening to those who keep touting that worn out and meaningless term: "conspiracy theories" because it will be immediately associated with the oppressors and enemies of liberty in the past.

[constituent]

second electric church on that... well said my friend.

[Electric Church]

second electric church on that... well said my friend.


Thank you bro

[Ozwest]

Hooraaaah.

[tmg19103]

My next door neighbor is a bigtime RP supporter who happens to believe 9/11 was an inside job and that the levies in New Orleans were blown up by the government to flood the city as oppossed to Katrina doing it.

I disagree with him, but he is a nice and intelligent person. We get along great but we agree to disagree.

The one thing my neighbor believes is that even though 9/11 was an inside job, RP should not talk it up as mainstream America does not get it as the government has covered it up. He also thinks this would get RP assassinated - especially since he does not have much security this early in the election.

So, while he is a "Truther", so to speak, he does not believe RP should talk this up until after elected.

I appreciate his position. I am not a big conspiracy person, but I appreciate that he will keep quiet on issues that are not part of RP's campaign in order to get him elected.

Now, I would not go so far as to tell anyone what to do as we live in a free society. Just some food for thought.

[leipo]

I agree. These paranoid supporters are not good for Ron Paul.

[Sematary]

Freedom To Fascism video is not a conspiracy theory!!!! Your so brainwashed you think the truth is a conspiracy theory!!! As far as 9/11 is concerned most people are not ready for it. There brain has been conditioned in such a way that when you bring up 9/11 truth it goes into Cruise control, since what ever I say will be BULLSHIT in there mind.

But the truth is much much stranger then fiction. I know for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job but I will not bring that up when trying to promote RP. If your ready for a wake up call I recommend you watch these videos...if not please stay in your bubble & refrain from making ignorant comments without watching the videos. AND YES the MEDIA IS BIASED thats why you never heard of Tom Cryer or the director of Star wars program under Regan who is a 9/11 truther too.

http://www.ae911truth.org/ -Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth
Proof of Controlled Demolition 9/11 - Architect speaks out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6883441047197474365 Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4995319675737766037 Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7686303663508827383 Part 3
149 Engineers have signed of on this video. It was made by an Richard Gage a
professionally licensed architect .

9/11 Press for truth a documentary made by the families who lost loved ones on 9/11. The only documentary that does not mention 9/11 as a insidejob but makes it painfully obvious that it is a inside job.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth&total=169&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=13

I know it's not a conspiracy theory but middle America will - and THAT is the point.

[constituent]

neither are 'those' collectivists leipo...

welcome newbie.

[Ozwest]

I agree, but search for the truth. Stop looking for The Lowest common Denominator!

[constituent]

and just to note...

this sort of thing really belongs in hot topics.

if you want to talk trash about a large segment of the people who use these boards, do so where the flame wars belong in the future....


that goes to you Sematary

[Sematary]

the people who will say to not get involved w/ war protestors or to mention aftf or 9/11

are the same people who claim all those groups are working together (in some form or another be it the communist party or whatever) to defeat ron paul's candidacy from the inside.


talk about tin-foil hat.

No, I am saying that it HURTS the campaign with middle America

[leipo]

neither are 'those' collectivists leipo....

Why not?


welcome newbie.

Why thank you.

[LibertyEagle]

Please Move This Thread To Hot Topics.

[leipo]

Please Move This Thread To Hot Topics.

i agree.

[Sematary]

Sematary, did you really have to go and start this war over again? Things were so calm for so long.

It is IMPORTANT that people understand that no matter what they believe, we need to get RP's message out to the people. Talking about 9/11 and freedom to fascism and all this other non-mainstream stuff is only going to turn people against him - unless they are receptive to that message. I am only asking that when dealing with the average person - leave the fringe stuff out of the discussion.

[Sematary]

Soon, the mainstream Americans and the mainstream world will stop listening to those who keep touting that worn out and meaningless term: "conspiracy theories" because it will be immediately associated with the oppressors and enemies of liberty in the past.

That is the term that mainstream Americans apply to these concepts and ideas and touting them WHILE discussing Ron Paul, with the average American, is NOT going to help get him elected.

[Sematary]

and just to note...

this sort of thing really belongs in hot topics.

if you want to talk trash about a large segment of the people who use these boards, do so where the flame wars belong in the future....


that goes to you Sematary

I am not attempting to incite a flame war. I am trying to get people to realize that it is time for us to reach out to the average, zombified, American and their training does not leave open any options for inside jobs on 9/11 or the freedom to fascism video or any of the fringe stuff that gets candidates shoved to the side. We are trying to get Ron Paul elected and sooner or later, people are going to have to realize that the fringe topics cannot be associated with a mainstream candidate. If they are, he won't be and he will NEVER get elected.

[cjhowe]

This is really starting to feel like bop-a-mole.

[Electric Church]

It is IMPORTANT that people understand that no matter what they believe, we need to get RP's message out to the people. Talking about 9/11 and freedom to fascism and all this other non-mainstream stuff .


Ya..let's talk about mainstream stuff. Let's just be good little boys and go along with the program, just lie still now, this aint gonna hurt a bit, trust me, I'm your friend, struggling aint gonna make this any less painful, thats better, your finally back in line with the mainstream, now close your eyes and go back to sleep.

[Ozwest]

Not all people understand the world as it is. Unfortunate that people elect their President on MSM advice and"catch phrases." Is'nt it nice to know Ron Paul has the best phrase of all The Constitution." Just might win an election on that one! Why does any topic regarding 9/11 no matter how constrained get politicsised?

[mesler]

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I'm on a mailing list and there were 1 or 2 RP supporters who essentially said that after they saw this video/pic, they were skeptical about RP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiIBUIWJNLM

Some people actually think RP is flashing some NWO hand symbol..

[RevolutionSD]

Many of us feel that there are many problems with the official 9/11 story but I think we're all sensible enough to know not to mix this issue with Ron Paul.

Russo's movie is not crazy conspiracy. Freedom to Fascism is about the facts, so I'd like to know where your problem is with it. And Ron Paul is IN THE MOVIE, so it would be hard to separate him from it anyway!

[constituent]

he did it yesterday too... very deliberately it seemed...

but he may just think it means Rock & Roll!

kinda twizted my gut though.

[leipo]

All these conpiracy theorists make this board look like the fredthompsonforum. Probably not as intentional, but still.

[cjhowe]

Ya..let's talk about mainstream stuff. Let's just be good little boys and go along with the program, just lie still now, this aint gonna hurt a bit, trust me, I'm your friend, struggling aint gonna make this any less painful, thats better, your finally back in line with the mainstream, now close your eyes and go back to sleep.

Thanks Canada!

[LibertyEagle]

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I'm on a mailing list and there were 1 or 2 RP supporters who essentially said that after they saw this video/pic, they were skeptical about RP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiIBUIWJNLM

Some people actually think RP is flashing some NWO hand symbol..

Yeah, it's the 'I love you' sign language, but I kinda wish he'd stop using it so much. It's too easy for people to get it mixed up with something else entirely.

[mesler]

he did it yesterday too... very deliberately it seemed...

but he may just think it means Rock & Roll!

kinda twizted my gut though.

He's an old guy who's trying his hardest to have crowd appeal. He's been improving his public appearances, have you noticed?

[RevolutionSD]

All these conpiracy theorists make this board look like the fredthompsonforum. Probably not as intentional, but still.

Who's a "conspiracy theorist"?
Calling someone a name like that sounds to me like a cop out when you can't debate the facts.
A conspiracy, afterall, is exactly what took place in the planning of the 9/11 attacks- whether you believe it was bin laden and his band of merry muslims or a more complex plot involving intelligence agencies of several countries.

[Sematary]

Many of us feel that there are many problems with the official 9/11 story but I think we're all sensible enough to know not to mix this issue with Ron Paul.

Russo's movie is not crazy conspiracy. Freedom to Fascism is about the facts, so I'd like to know where your problem is with it. And Ron Paul is IN THE MOVIE, so it would be hard to separate him from it anyway!

Americans are not ready for the truth. They are ready for a leader who will abide by the constitution, however

[Ozwest]

I agree with you that Ron Paul should stay clear of this issue. It still should not be ignored. Granted, its easy to criticsize many aspects of 9/11 theories. Many claims are baseless. However, after seriously researching the facts I've found too many silver bullets. Is it too much to ask for free and open government? Isn't this what we're talking about?

[Sematary]

Who's a "conspiracy theorist"?
Calling someone a name like that sounds to me like a cop out when you can't debate the facts.
A conspiracy, afterall, is exactly what took place in the planning of the 9/11 attacks- whether you believe it was bin laden and his band of merry muslims or a more complex plot involving intelligence agencies of several countries.

While this is very true, I am simply attempting to get people to stay on message. The average American will IMMEDIATELY dismiss anyone who claims 9/11 was an inside job. They will also completely dismiss Aaron Russo - no matter how right he is. They are brainwashed sheep and trying to do anything other than feed them the most basic or Ron Paul's message will be lost on them or they will fight hard to dismiss what they are being told. It is best left out of his message.

[Sematary]

I agree with you that Ron Paul should stay clear of this issue. It still should not be ignored. Granted, its easy to criticsize many aspects of 9/11 theories. Many claims are baseless. However, after seriously researching the facts I've found too many silver bullets. Is it too much to ask for free and open government? Isn't this what we're talking about?

Yes, it is, but we're not going to get that if we don't get RP elected.

[mesler]

Yeah, it's the 'I love you' sign language, but I kinda wish he'd stop using it so much. It's too easy for people to get it mixed up with something else entirely.

Personally, I don't think it would be a bad thing if he lost a few supporters because of this. But that's just me. :)

[Cowlesy]

Yes, it is, but we're not going to get that if we don't get RP elected.

Wholeheartedly agree. Focus on getting him votes and thereby elected first, and your own agendas second.

[leipo]

Personally, I don't think it would be a bad thing if he lost a few supporters because of this. But that's just me. :)

My thoughts exactly!

[Revolution9]

Geezus- These folks are why RP will have to fight to win. No one, absolutely no one wants to be bunched in with lunatics.

She couldn't find the polling station unless it was next to the tanning salon..Don't worry about that type..

Best
randy

[Electric Church]

Americans are not ready for the truth. They are ready for a leader who will abide by the constitution, however

shhhh, take it easy, relax, lie back down...you don't need any truth, what you need is someone to lead you...yes, that's better, no no no no, stay still, don't get all bothered by that truth stuff, that's better, now just close your eyes and everything's gonna be alright

[ButchHowdy]

Its MOOT Sematary.

Ron Paul represents US, not the other way around.

It is difficult to find people's hot spots.

Retirees could care less about abolishing the Fed or IRS

Atheists could care less about RP's Statement of faith.

This 9/11 stinks to high heaven and it is usually those who seek truth are the ones who will most seek Ron Paul.

Please stop the division

[lucius]

Its MOOT Sematary.

Ron Paul represents US, not the other way around.

It is difficult to find people's hot spots.

Retirees could care less about abolishing the Fed or IRS

Atheists could care less about RP's Statement of faith.

This 9/11 stinks to high heaven and it is usually those who seek truth are the ones who will most seek Ron Paul.

Please stop the division

Well put!

[Sematary]

shhhh, take it easy, relax, lie back down...you don't need any truth, what you need is someone to lead you...yes, that's better, no no no no, stay still, don't get all bothered by that truth stuff, that's better, now just close your eyes and everything's gonna be alright

That is what most Americans want - for the government to provide and lie to them.

[Electric Church]

That is what most Americans want - for the government to provide and lie to them.


That's because most Americans, and Canadians, are fast asleep and it's up to those who are awake to wake them up or else we're all goin down the crapper with them

[constituent]

He's an old guy who's trying his hardest to have crowd appeal. He's been improving his public appearances, have you noticed?


he rocked it out yesterday in Texas City! He started off slow and looked a little tired, but man! he got going!

he needs to work on some of his deliveries, but at the pace he's going... i'm telling ya' ... he's headed for churchill status (rhetorically speaking) on the mega quick!!!!

he's starting to realize that his view is the consensus, and despite all the naysayers, he was right all along... now he just needs to show a little bit of that:

EAT IT SUCKERS!!!! THIS IS OUR WORLD DAMNIT!!!! HUMANS ARE NOT PETS, THEY ARE NOT SLAVES!!!!

[Sematary]

That's because most Americans, and Canadians, are fast asleep and it's up to those who are awake to wake them up or else we're all goin down the crapper with them

It's more important, imho, that we turn them on to Ron Paul so that we have someone in the Whitehouse who will work with us to end the corruption and the secrecy. If we don't do that, then we can try to wake them up but that's going to be harder than getting Ron Paul elected.

[JMann]

No. But, I'm here to tell you that it makes one heck of a lot more sense than believing that ONE person did it, and a magic bullet that can do backflips.


No bullet did 'backflips' it traveled in a straight line from the Texas School Book Depository into the Govenor's leg. There was nothing 'magic' about it. It performed in the manner any bullet would. Never mind some people will never believe the obvious solution that all the evidence points to. For some reason they want to believe in some grand conspiracy instead of common sense.

[Ozwest]

Sematary, Yes I agree the best hope for everyone is to get Ron Paul elected. Please do not think that every"Truther" is somehow unable to proritise. A certain self control is required realising the repurcussions of 9/11. I know you're motivated. Same thought patterns.

[Revolution9]

I am not attempting to incite a flame war.

You just did.. And you insulted the fuck out of me and my people and my neighborhood and alot of very intelligent people all in one fell swoop.

I an't no tinfoil hat dude. I ain't no conspriacy theorist. I am a historian and researcher and I have an email database on 911 and false derivatives whose senders and recievers would boggle your brain.Head Of Interpol, FBI and CIA counterterrorism units, various senate and congressional investigatory committee members, VK Durham, Karl WB Shwarz amongst others. Guess they are all tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists too... I refuse to bow down to the level of the stupid. I refuse to have those who puppet the government line issue me any directives. I will now start talking about RP and 911 where I did not before and every thread asking me to stop I will jack it up higher. I think I am going to go in my yard and stack a 911 was an inside job above my RP 2008 sign just to really connect the two in the publics eye 24/7..

Now..see the attitude you cause with this BS and treating people like fools and idiots??? I ain't gonna do the above but I sure as hell am inclined to. I know the facts on the ground I ain't goonna bury my head nor lie to anybody and pretend a lie is the truth or I swallow whole cloth propaganda without questioning motive nor intent..

Now.. I tried not to say anything..but I saw the newbie collectivist and several other collectivists butt their goddmaned nose in trying to control freak people. . You do not know these peoples neighborhoods or friends.. You have no right to tell them anything. If you live in rural America then you ave no clue how many folks in cosmopolitan areas know that 911 was an inside job.

And do not come back and insult me on this or I will begin issuing brain crushing multisyllabic volleys at any woo woo who tries it. I never lose ( it is not spelled "loose")

Armed To The Teeth With Truth!
Randy

[Electric Church]

It's more important, imho, that we turn them on to Ron Paul so that we have someone in the Whitehouse who will work with us to end the corruption and the secrecy. If we don't do that, then we can try to wake them up but that's going to be harder than getting Ron Paul elected.


Truth cannot and should not be regulated. Truth comes from the same place and ends up in the same place and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. It's like a rushing river and no matter how many rocks and boulders (lies) you throw into it, it will just flow over or around them to its final destination: liberty.

[leipo]

I will now start talking about RP and 911 where I did not before and every thread asking me to stop I will jack it up higher.

Please go away.

[Sematary]

My apologies to anyone I offended or angered. It was not my intention to do so. I only want to focus the message to the masses on RP's message.

[Sematary]

Truth cannot and should not be regulated. Truth comes from the same place and ends up in the same place and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. It's like a rushing river and no matter how many rocks and boulders (lies) you throw into it, it will just flow over or around them to its final destination: liberty.

I am not asking people to stop the truth - only to keep two disparate messages apart.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Oh my.....



For the love of God, cant you see that "BLOWBACK" and "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" are in no way compatible.


If 911 was an inside job, either Ron Paul is stupid, or is LYING.



So why are you supporting this lier Ron Paul? Someone who would mislead the public about US foreign policy just to get elected and run his agenda on 911 truth?


Furthermore, If 911 was an inside job, then that means there is no such thing as terrorism coming from the middle east. Its just a myth spread by the government to secure our oil interests.

And if this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with US foreign policy, and by all accounts, the government is doing a fantastic job. Maybe the best government in history. I mean, what other nation in all of the world can emperialize, exploit, occupy, invade, and overthrow sovereign nations, and yet be so void of BLOWBACk, that it has to stage a fake terrorist attack, then plant a fake libertarian in the public eye to lie his butt off about irrational things like "bad US foreign policy" and "history" and "blowback." Even going so far as to have the CIA invent the word "blowback" years in advance, planting university professors to write books about it, and even slipping it in the 911 commision report just to see if anyone would notice.

Then to top it off, they fudge up every war we have fought since WW2, education, the post office, the dmv, health care, FEMA, the credit card industry, inflation, and sub-prime mortgages, just to fool the american people into thinking they are too incompetent to ever pull anything of this magnitude off.


no, you guys are right. Its a conspiracy. Our government must be run by a team of Einsteins and 12 super computers. They have it all figured out. The greatest cover up in all of human history. The most competent black operations mankind has ever seen.




Too bad some kids on the internet where able to crack the entire case by examining some grainy still shots on youtube.


...

[Ozwest]

Hoy, Revolution 9 love your agro and admire your work. Come visit me in Australia and we'll do a pub crawl. No disrespect, and not that the man needs it, but Sematary works damn hard for Ron Paul. No head butting required. Bring Ted with ya and I'll supply Angus. CHEERS.

[Electric Church]

.....The greatest cover up in all of human history. The most competent black operations mankind has ever seen....
..


That's correct. You guys did and are doing a great job

[atilla]

I understand that many supporters are passionate about their causes - 9/11, freedom to fascism, etc... etc... but mainstream Americans are NOT going to listen if you tie him in with this stuff. All that is going to happen is they are going to be turned OFF to Ron Paul. Stick to HIS message until we get him elected THEN work on your own agendas. Right now we need to make him appeal to the average American.

mainstream Americans suck! mainstream americans want to be "safe" not free. mainstream americans want rudy juliannie. check out the polls, you'll see its true. benjamin franklin said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." i agree with franklin, lets give the "mainstream americans" rudy, he'll give them "true freedom in submission to authority" then give them fake terror attacks to boost his powers. then they will get what they deserve. screw mainstream america, long live mary-kate and ashley.

[Revolution9]

Hoy, Revolution 9 love your agro and admire your work. Come visit me in Australia and we'll do a pub crawl. No disrespect, and not that the man needs it, but Sematary works damn hard for Ron Paul. No head butting required. Bring Ted with ya and I'll supply Angus. CHEERS.

Heh.. I am working with Semetary on some stamp out ads I am rendering in 3D.. I had to pull a demonstration of non cooperation on him as that is what is causes.. We are fine now.. I doubt I will make it to Australia soon but like the offer..good beer and hard rock guitars:D ..gotta have some fine babes to gander at too.:eek: Ya make it to America and I will take you for a pub crawl here.. Then we can attend the inauguration and get really tanked!!haha..

So.. I am today..so far.. got an order going for 1000 RP Mosaic posters at 18x24.

Have gotten 50% of the donations I need for the printing already.

I have rendered the base composite for the 30 second RP commercial.

I have completed some artwork for the Fall Freedom Harvest Fest poster

I have gotten Brent of Mastodons phone number on the way..

I am writing a fire and brimstone bluster and fume to soapbox about RP to a bunch or metalheads and rockers at the Festival.

I am collaborating with ex-wife to wrte an abortion screed the local girls acn agree on.

Have set up studio time to rescore the roriginal Free America song for the commercial with symphonic instrumenation and trapkit..maybe some guitars ad bassline if appropriate.. Gotta see how various instruments combine to effect what I need.

Read damned near every thread.

Got pissed about Chertoff taking the head executioner gig for the upcomning terrorist scenario they have planned. Downloaded the new revision of Flash 3D custom classes and started testing and writing code with them. yadda yadda..

Best
Randy

[constituent]

randy-

remember to spin pro-choice...

if you want abortion, lobby your state government. he wants to give the people the right to decide.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

That's correct. You guys did and are doing a great job

You do realize that if the conspiracy is true, Ron Paul and all his blowback talk are all part of the massive conspiracy right? All this about the american empire being a bad thing, and our bad foreign policy, that has to all be a lie. Everything about individual liberty, and sovereignty, and personal freedom, that all has to be part of the conspiracy too. its all just a lie in order to make the cover up believable to the american people. And if thats the case, this goes way beyond Bush.

I got it. I know who is really behind 911.


Adam Smith. He planned it all out back in the 1740s.

Just think about it

it all makes sense.

[Revolution9]

Please go away.

A collectivist drooldonkey waltzing incompetently through this forum with nary a clue n his little napsack of dreams. Charming..Like I haven't had to deal with this level of abderitically charged effulgence previously. How dare you somnambulate into here and after nine posts issue me any kind of directive. You are a measly little disgruntled hyperphobe with delusions that you have the ability or authority to control someone else, especially your superiors. . Furthermore the little passive aggressive snipe you posted was bereft of anything other than mindless issuance of directives, inability to grasp the technical meaning of what i wrote and stupid enough to think your measly BB in a boxcar brain was endowed with enough synaptic firepower to engage me at any level..

Now come on and get me.. I am awaiting.. I am only ticklng your ankles above.. Lets find out who you really are so I can nail your hide to the forum walls by dissection of your inherent character and petty foibles.

Or you can leave me and the others the fuck alone and go on with spporting RP.. Your choice drooldonkey..

:cool:
Randy

[constituent]

drooldonkey... me likes..

asshatery and drooldonkey....

gotta love my fellow pauliticos.

[Revolution9]

randy-

remember to spin pro-choice...

if you want abortion, lobby your state government. he wants to give the people the right to decide.

This is kinda how I am putting that together. The ex has some test materials she is going over.. Both her sons ( one is mine the other is 14) go out to the sign rallies and she hates hillary so.. She has to work with me n this..hahaa.. Plus she is the manager of Junkmas Daughter, the biggest rock and roll clothing store in the south and knows every damn band and groupie..

Best
Randy

[Ozwest]

Revolution 9, Shouldn't be getting pissed on Chertoff. We have better, more satisfying brews down here. Although anything would be an improvement on Budweiser, Oh the Memories!

[Electric Church]

You do realize that if the conspiracy is true, Ron Paul and all his blowback talk are all part of the massive conspiracy right? .


Ron Paul is doing a great job. He has the sleeping giant slowly starting to open up her groggy eyes. Maybe if she wakes up too fast, like say hitting her over the head with a 2x4, she'll grab it out of his hands, wipe him out with one swipe, and then go back to sleep.

[Revolution9]

Revolution 9, Shouldn't be getting pissed on Chertoff. We have better, more satisfying brews down here. Although anything would be an improvement on Budweiser, Oh the Memories!

hahaha! Chertoff the beer.. With Skeletor on the label.. I drink St Pauli Girl currently.. Used to drink Sam Adams..too hot currently. Busweiser sux.. what is with making beer with rice..A shot of sake in a beer would taste like shit.. Ergo Bud tastes like shit..

BTW Chertoff == Son Of The Devil in Russian.. He is dual Israeli American allegiance and father was a talmudic Rabbi.. he is a Rabbi too. Everybody should be ringing their congresspeople and senators to bitch loudly.. He should not be Attorney general. They are trying to cover up a 4.5 trillion USD scam. This is why he is greying and debilitating so quick. he is eaten out by the parsite and will do nything to hold onto the power of the criminal enterprise he is involved with.

best
Randy

[sickmint79]

it's as simple as knowing your audience...

grandma - she doesn't get to here about conspiracies (not mine or most anyway)
the p's - pretty much same thing
people you think can handle a little more information - go for it. if i'm ever presenting anything conspiratorial i will mention how whether there is a conspiracy or not the thing still in place has problems, and will try to present contrary views for balance as well.

[Revolution9]

Ron Paul is doing a great job. He has the sleeping giant slowly starting to open up her groggy eyes. Maybe if she wakes up too fast, like say hitting her over the head with a 2x4, she'll grab it out of his hands, wipe him out with one swipe, and then go back to sleep.

Fuckin' aye pal.. Let's get that goddamned 2x4 out right now and start a swingin'! hahaha!

Best
Randy

[constituent]

Ron Paul is doing a great job. He has the sleeping giant slowly starting to open up her groggy eyes. Maybe if she wakes up too fast, like say hitting her over the head with a 2x4, she'll grab it out of his hands, wipe him out with one swipe, and then go back to sleep.


that's a beautiful image...

ron paul in his 70's suit, tiptoes, 2X4

...tap, tap, tap...

burrrhhh..

hmmm.... shhhhhh...... shhhhh......


...tap, tap, tap.....

burrrrhhhh....

[Electric Church]

Fuckin' aye pal.. Let's get that goddamned 2x4 out right now and start a swingin'! hahaha!

Best
Randy

Right on
:cool:

[leipo]

A collectivist drooldonkey waltzing incompetently through this forum with nary a clue n his little napsack of dreams. Charming..Like I haven't had to deal with this level of abderitically charged effulgence previously. How dare you somnambulate into here and after nine posts issue me any kind of directive. You are a measly little disgruntled hyperphobe with delusions that you have the ability or authority to control someone else, especially your superiors. . Furthermore the little passive aggressive snipe you posted was bereft of anything other than mindless issuance of directives, inability to grasp the technical meaning of what i wrote and stupid enough to think your measly BB in a boxcar brain was endowed with enough synaptic firepower to engage me at any level..

Now come on and get me.. I am awaiting.. I am only ticklng your ankles above.. Lets find out who you really are so I can nail your hide to the forum walls by dissection of your inherent character and petty foibles.

Or you can leave me and the others the fuck alone and go on with spporting RP.. Your choice drooldonkey..

:cool:
Randy


Whatever. I called you out on your agenda. Deal with it.

[Wendi]

What bewilders me is that we all like Ron Paul because of who he is and what his message is. But we all seem to think that we can do things "better" or that "our" message is somehow more likely to win.

Let's stick with RON PAUL's message for HIS campaign, shall we?

[lucius]

hahaha! Chertoff the beer.. With Skeletor on the label.. I drink St Pauli Girl currently.. Used to drink Sam Adams..too hot currently. Busweiser sux.. what is with making beer with rice..A shot of sake in a beer would taste like shit.. Ergo Bud tastes like shit..

BTW Chertoff == Son Of The Devil in Russian.. He is dual Israeli American allegiance and father was a talmudic Rabbi.. he is a Rabbi too. Everybody should be ringing their congresspeople and senators to bitch loudly.. He should not be Attorney general. They are trying to cover up a 4.5 trillion USD scam. This is why he is greying and debilitating so quick. he is eaten out by the parsite and will do nything to hold onto the power of the criminal enterprise he is involved with.

best
Randy

Will he need Senate confirmation? If so, we should hammer!

[McDermit]

That Miss SC video is priceless.

[Ozwest]

Aussie Lager = Malt,Hops, and Yeast NAS. Add 1 shot of Everclear and you win the Southern vote. Rice???

[Electric Church]

that's a beautiful image...

ron paul in his 70's suit, tiptoes, 2X4

...tap, tap, tap...

burrrhhh..

hmmm.... shhhhhh...... shhhhh......


...tap, tap, tap.....

burrrrhhhh....
:D :D