How Are We Voting in '08?

[G-Wohl]

Just wanted to see what the forum's members want to see happen during the 2008 elections.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I like both Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, but lean toward the latter right now. I would strongly consider a vote for Barr, however, if he's polling close to 5% nationally or at least in my state. The Greens were able to get 5% in Minnesota years ago from Nader and they had instant ballot and debate access. Ventura did the same for his Independence Party, and they still maintain major party status. It would be great if the LP or Constitution Party was able to do this, at least on a state level.

[pcosmar]

Just wanted to see what the forum's members want to see happen during the 20008 elections.

20008 ??
Don't think I will be around then.

If you mean 2008, what I would like and what I expect to see are drastically different.

What I want to see is a return to a Constitutional Republic.

What we will see is a socialist elected and a continued course toward a one world government.:(

[DeadtoSin]

Baldwin won't be on the ballot here in Texas as far as I can tell, so Barr.

[AJ Antimony]

Shouldn't "Other" just be Ralph Nader?

[Kotin]

Baldwin won't be on the ballot here in Texas as far as I can tell, so Barr.

same here.


Barr.

[Truth Warrior]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/V-vote-for-nobody.gif

[Theocrat]

I'm definitely voting for Dr. Chuck Baldwin if he's on the ballot here in Illinois. If not, then I might vote for Bob Barr.

[RonPaulFever]

Ron Paul (if possible) ===> Baldwin (if on IL ballot) ===> Barr ===> stay home.

[hillbilly123069]

you all just don't realize how many independent voters there are,and not 1 was aloud to vote for a presidential candidate in the primaries.

[robert4rp08]

Ron Paul or bust.

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I've decided to vote for Bob Barr come November. Assuming of course the impossible remains impossible and Dr. Paul is not on the ballot.

[speciallyblend]

other means i haven't decided, has nothing to do with nader

[TruthAtLast]

I've said my piece here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1534327&postcount=25

[FindLiberty]

I'll cross my fingers then hold my nose and vote Barr!

[Kludge]

You forgot Nadar.

[hvac ak47]

Ron Paul

[voytechs]

Unless either Barr or Baldwin changes their strategy and suddenly gains massive support, I'm voting Baldwin, the better of the 2. Neither one has any chance of wining, so I'm voting my conscience. If it looked like Barr even had a remote chance of wining, I think Baldwin and Paul would want to put their support to back him and combine our strengths. But that is not likely to happen.

Thats the problem with people, even libertarian minded ones. Can't agree on anything and have to splinter themselves into extension.

[0zzy]

Ron Paul or bust.

what are you for, a dictatorship?

[G-Wohl]

Shouldn't "Other" just be Ralph Nader?


You forgot Nadar.

Ralph Nader does indeed go under "other". But no, he isn't the only "other" in this race. There are plenty of 3rd parties other than the Libertarian, Constitution, and Green. Prohibition Party, Socialist Worker Party, Nazi Party.... etc.

[TastyWheat]

This late in the game we can only hope for a symbolic victory with one of the 3rd parties.

[Paul Revered]

Obama is not a choice for me; and the GOP needs to be sent a message. A Conservative does not reward bad behavior. I cannot vote for McCain. A third party win is my best hope at this time. LP, or CP, I don't completely agree with either. For now I will follow the stampede to Barr.

[libertarian4321]

I don't know yet- I'm not happy with any of the candidates, including Barr (Baldwin won't even be on the ballot in Texas).

Since I didn't know, and I was the 100th vote, I put down "Mckinney" so she would have 1% :)

Of course, I'm not really going to vote for her.

[nobody's_hero]

I chose Barr because Ron Paul didn't show up (which will probably happen in November).

I have been saying for quite a while now that I would Write-in Ron Paul.

Perhaps I've been having a change of heart, but I intend to make it explicitly clear to Bob Barr that he owes Ron Paul one hell of a thank you for getting me to break the chains of the Democratic-Republican binopoly.

[LABELtheTRAITOR]

i'm leaning towards Barr, as an agnostic, i couldn't in clear conscience vote Constitution Party... or unless the good doctor pulls something off in sept and gets on the ballot.

[hillbilly123069]

you would think that most in this country want 1!
what are you for, a dictatorship?

[Paul Revered]

bump

[SovereignMN]

Chuck Baldwin without hesitation.

[Joseph Hart]

Other, Write in.

[Eric P]

I think a lot of Ron Paul supporters are supporting Chuck Baldwin because he's from the CONSTITUTION Party and Ron Paul always talks about the CONSTITUTION. But the fact is that the Constitution Party really has some terrible stances on social freedoms like gambling and freedom of religion. I think just the word CONSTITUTION is what makes a lot of supporters go towards them, not the party's actual beliefs.

I personally will be voting for Bob Barr because I'd like someone to make enough of a splash, at least 5-10%, to garner attention towards the ideas of liberty, like Dr. Paul did. He didn't win, but a lot of people learned the ideas. That's what Barr could do. Even given Barr's problems, Baldwin is not going to attract any attention because he's got no profile.

[Deborah K]

I'm going up to my electronic voting machine, taking a big thick black marker, and writing Ron Paul across the screen!!

Not really, but I am writing him in.

[newyearsrevolution08]

hey look another "lets group together" poll, straight from the grassroots lol.....

go figure

[josephadel_3]

I just noticed today that Ron Paul finally officially suspended his campaign. Since this is the case, I will not be writing his name in. Instead, I'll vote for Barr.

[mrchubbs]

I find it somewhat interesting to compare the way this poll is going to the one that's been languishing over in the "Other Presidential Candidates" subforum for several weeks now:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=139820


As a Barr supporter I like the results of the one here on the grassroots forum more.
:)


Enjoy.

[Rangeley]

I find it somewhat interesting to compare the way this poll is going to the one that's been languishing over in the "Other Presidential Candidates" subforum for several weeks now:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=139820


As a Barr supporter I like the results of the one here on the grassroots forum more.
:)


Enjoy.
To be fair, that one was made before Ron Paul officially dropped out, which I think had a pretty big effect.

[Roxi]

Republican Party (McCain) 4 2.76%


i just threw up in my mouth a little

[DrCap]

I will still write in RP... in illinois obama will cloud out everyone else anyway.

Though for the congressional seat I'll be voting Democrat (though I don't know who that person is) 'cause I'd rather see a big loser in office than an incumbent Republikan fake.

[sidster]

I'm going up to my electronic voting machine, taking a big thick black marker, and writing Ron Paul across the screen!!

Not really, but I am writing him in.

:cool:

[sidster]

Republican Party (McCain) 4 2.76%
i just threw up in my mouth a little


Libertarian Party (Barr) 77 50.33%

I feel a bit the same way... I feel like we have been infiltrated by neocons.

[Kludge]

Libertarian Party (Barr) 77 50.33%I feel a bit the same way... I feel like we have been infiltrated by neocons.

Quit with the bullshit, if you'd be so kind.

[sidster]

Quit with the bullshit, if you'd be so kind.

Didn't you leave? ... what changed your mind?

[Kludge]

Didn't you leave? ... what changed your mind?

Disney Land was too expensive. I came back here. ;)

[papajohn56]

I'd rather vote for Barr than Baldwin. Constitution party is a supporter of Christian Exodus, no way will I ever vote for that.

[Sentient Void]

Barr is our best bet to have a voice in this election. He's getting the msot coverage on the media - which we should be taking advantage of, and his platform falls in line in msot part to that of Ron Paul's.

Sure he has made some bgi govt. mistakes in the past, but he has openly admitted his mistakes, and has spent years actually taking action to fix them.

Hell, I know right after 911 and for years afterwards I was one of the worst neo-con bastards youd find. I've 100% converted and don't see myself moving towards any other political platform, ever.

As for the constitution party - it's MUCH to religious to appeal to most americans effectively nowadays, especially to younger minds. What drew so much enthusiasm to Ron Paul's campaign was the stance of smaller government, balanced budget, non intervention, lower taxes, more liberty. The libertarian candidate Bob Barr is best suited to apply to thsoe and many other americans.

In the meantime, we can of course continue to support the campaign for liberty, and continue pushing to get more ron paul-like republicans elected into congress. but for the election - we MUST focus on a a candidate to be united. We are nowhere near as effective if we are splintered.

We have to think in the big picture here, folks - what will push our agenda to the public more - being splintered off as we are now, or focusing and supporting one candidate which ahs the best chance to appeal to msot americans and have a real voice?

SUPPORT BOB BARR.

[mport1]

I'm considering writing in "abolish position" on most things. Hopefully they have a space for that.

[Kludge]

I'm considering writing in "abolish position" on most things. Hopefully they have a space for that.

lol...

[The_Orlonater]

Does Ralph Nadar just join in for the fun of getting votes? Lol.

[G-Wohl]

Bumping this thread in order to get as many votes as possible before the 7-2-08 deadline.

I'm happy to see the majority of voters going to Bob Barr. I suppose a lot of posters here have woken up to the fact that no political party can be truly libertarian if it is backed by Christian ideals (as with Baldwin and the Constitution Party). Though Barr was not my first choice as the Libertarian Party nominee, I really respect his outright honesty as far as his voting record is concerned. He acknowledges his mistakes and has even corrected them.

[votefreedomfirst]

I wish Barr was much less of a conservative and much more of a libertarian. I wish he supported "individual rights" instead of "state's rights". I think in many ways he misrepresents libertarianism and it is unfortunate.

I'd probably bite my tongue and vote for him anyway, but then I saw that his VP pick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr7VJT4_xdc) wrote "HOW THE GOP CAN GET IT'S GROOVE BACK WITH THE DREAM TICKET OF McCAIN-LIEBERMAN IN 2008! (http://web.archive.org/web/20061205034008/http://millionairerepublican.com/)" a couple of years ago, and also called Dr. Paul's foreign policy "naive and weak" (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021315.html) (among other things) last year. This man is a neo-con. He is everything we are opposed to. I can not sacrifice my principles that much...I will never check a box with the name "Root" next to it.

I will have to look into Baldwin/Castle. I'm not worried about theocracy because they'll never get into the White House. Baldwin's a good friend of Ron Paul (and was a strong supporter) so that must means something.

[newbitech]

other ^ none of the above

[kombayn]

Ralph Nader should have been in McKinney's spot and Ron Paul (Write-In) included with the Other Option still in tact. Because I don't think anyone on this board would vote for McKinney which is why the Other option works. I'm still choosing between Barr & Nader.

[G-Wohl]

Ralph Nader should have been in McKinney's spot and Ron Paul (Write-In) included with the Other Option still in tact. Because I don't think anyone on this board would vote for McKinney which is why the Other option works. I'm still choosing between Barr & Nader.

I figured there would be more people here that would be Green than Nader Crusaders. I didn't include Ron Paul write-in because it won't be counted pretty much anywhere, so I figured that if somebody was going to do that, it might as well fall under "other."

[familydog]

I wish Barr was much less of a conservative and much more of a libertarian. I wish he supported "individual rights" instead of "state's rights". I think in many ways he misrepresents libertarianism and it is unfortunate.

I'd probably bite my tongue and vote for him anyway, but then I saw that his VP pick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr7VJT4_xdc) wrote "HOW THE GOP CAN GET IT'S GROOVE BACK WITH THE DREAM TICKET OF McCAIN-LIEBERMAN IN 2008! (http://web.archive.org/web/20061205034008/http://millionairerepublican.com/)" a couple of years ago, and also called Dr. Paul's foreign policy "naive and weak" (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021315.html) (among other things) last year. This man is a neo-con. He is everything we are opposed to. I can not sacrifice my principles that much...I will never check a box with the name "Root" next to it.

I like the term "misrepresent." It certainly fits here. Especially with WAR.

[G-Wohl]

I wish Barr was much less of a conservative and much more of a libertarian. I wish he supported "individual rights" instead of "state's rights". I think in many ways he misrepresents libertarianism and it is unfortunate.

I'd probably bite my tongue and vote for him anyway, but then I saw that his VP pick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr7VJT4_xdc) wrote "HOW THE GOP CAN GET IT'S GROOVE BACK WITH THE DREAM TICKET OF McCAIN-LIEBERMAN IN 2008! (http://web.archive.org/web/20061205034008/http://millionairerepublican.com/)" a couple of years ago, and also called Dr. Paul's foreign policy "naive and weak" (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021315.html) (among other things) last year. This man is a neo-con. He is everything we are opposed to. I can not sacrifice my principles that much...I will never check a box with the name "Root" next to it.

I will have to look into Baldwin/Castle. I'm not worried about theocracy because they'll never get into the White House. Baldwin's a good friend of Ron Paul (and was a strong supporter) so that must means something.


I like the term "misrepresent." It certainly fits here. Especially with WAR.

People need to realize the impact that the past couple of years of history have had on conservatives.

I can't speak for myself here, but A LOT of people involved in this movement are former neo-conservatives and/or pro-war Republicans. The events that have transpired over the past decade or so have caused AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE to convert to this great political movement. Many people here who wail on Barr and Root for being former neo-conservatives forget their own beginnings, I think. The Ron Paul supporters that do fill this description would never think of backing down to their former beliefs, and I'm sure neither would the Barr/Root administration.

[Craig_R]

I've been planning to vote for Ron Paul since he announced he was going to form an exploratory commitee. I still plan to vote Ron Paul.

[Paulitician]

Satan

[familydog]

People need to realize the impact that the past couple of years of history have had on conservatives.

I can't speak for myself here, but A LOT of people involved in this movement are former neo-conservatives and/or pro-war Republicans. The events that have transpired over the past decade or so have caused AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE to convert to this great political movement. Many people here who wail on Barr and Root for being former neo-conservatives forget their own beginnings, I think. The Ron Paul supporters that do fill this description would never think of backing down to their former beliefs, and I'm sure neither would the Barr/Root administration.

What my point had nothing to do with his voting record. It is what he represents now. Like the poster I quoted said, Barr is a states rights guy first and an individual rights guy second. He gives the wrong impression of what the Libertarian Party stands for.

[G-Wohl]

What my point had nothing to do with his voting record. It is what he represents now. Like the poster I quoted said, Barr is a states rights guy first and an individual rights guy second. He gives the wrong impression of what the Libertarian Party stands for.

I see what you're saying, and think it's a valid point. I myself am more of an individual rights person too, but I think that the struggle between the two is something that has been going on in the Libertarian Party for many years.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What my point had nothing to do with his voting record. It is what he represents now. Like the poster I quoted said, Barr is a states rights guy first and an individual rights guy second. He gives the wrong impression of what the Libertarian Party stands for.

are you still bashing Barr? You need a life. Go vote for theocratic Baldwin and shut up about Bob Barr, noone cares about your worthless rehashed opinion over and over again. Come up with something original next time.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I see what you're saying, and think it's a valid point. I myself am more of an individual rights person too, but I think that the struggle between the two is something that has been going on in the Libertarian Party for many years.

Struggle between the wingnuts and the pragmatics.

[familydog]

are you still bashing Barr? You need a life. Go vote for theocratic Baldwin and shut up about Bob Barr, noone cares about your worthless rehashed opinion over and over again. Come up with something original next time.

Actually this is the first time I've ever said anything about Barr's states rights v. individual rights issue. I was simply making an obsvervation. This conversation was quite civil and good points were being made on all sides until you joined in. Before you tell me to get a life, maybe you need to examine why you follow me around to various threads and personally attack me for no reason. :rolleyes:

[familydog]

I see what you're saying, and think it's a valid point. I myself am more of an individual rights person too, but I think that the struggle between the two is something that has been going on in the Libertarian Party for many years.

Yeah. I was looking at it through the point of view of their platform which heavily stresses individual rights over anything else. The Republican Party and the Constitution Party are more states rights over individual. That's why I find it odd that the party would be so excited about nominating Barr.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yeah. I was looking at it through the point of view of their platform which heavily stresses individual rights over anything else. The Republican Party and the Constitution Party are more states rights over individual. That's why I find it odd that the party would be so excited about nominating Barr.

There was no other viable option.

[Kludge]

There was no other viable option.

Did They tell you that last night in a vision? Barr is not viable, and may get 4% if he's lucky.

The LP is not about getting votes or "winning", it's supposed to be the party of principle. When the delegates nominated a questionable conservative over trustworthy libertarians, they may have created a number of disillusioned members that will not support the LP like they used to.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Did They tell you that last night in a vision? Barr is not viable, and may get 4% if he's lucky.

The LP is not about getting votes or "winning", it's supposed to be the party of principle. When the delegates nominated a questionable conservative over trustworthy libertarians, they may have created a number of disillusioned members that will not support the LP like they used to.

If the LP is not about winning elections, then what use is it? Wastes everyone's time. We could be using million extra votes influencing the two major parties IF the LP is not serious about winning.

[Acala]

I voted "other" because I plan to vote the ballot but leave the President choice blank.

[Kludge]

If the LP is not about winning elections, then what use is it? Wastes everyone's time. We could be using million extra votes influencing the two major parties IF the LP is not serious about winning.

Who was that old kook saying that very same thing...?

We should be converting people to libertarianism, the party assists in doing this and has had success running candidates at the local level, which is where they should be right now. When a Libertarian campaigns for an office like POTUS, they are simply looking to convert people, hence why it's silly to allege a conspiracy on the part of Bob Barr.

[tnvoter]

"STILL DECIDING"

would have been an apt option.

[JK/SEA]

I'm going to wait till after the conventions, and right up to the day before the elections to decide.

We are still a few months from this election, and ANYTHING can happen, and probably will.

I weep for this country and our people. God help us all.

[kahless]

Have not decided between Barr and Baldwin. Waiting it out to see who can gain the most 3rd party traction and will be on the ballots in all states.

[Hook]

Struggle between the wingnuts and the pragmatics.

I guess I am a wingnut then.

I am writing Dr. Paul in. It doesn't really matter, because none of them are going to win. In which case I may as well register my preferences for the candidate closest to my principles.

[georgia_tech_swagger]

I'm shocked so many here support Baldwin.

He scares me on social issues. He is like a fiscally conservative Mike Huckabee.

[RockEnds]

At this point, I really don't know how I will vote. I won't vote Obama or McCain. I won't vote Constitution Party regardless of their nominee because I disagree with their interpretation of US history. My ancestors would never forgive me after the whole exile to Nantucket thing. I've been a member of the Green Party in the past but only because they were involved in a local effort against corporate farming. That's not the case this year. I might vote Libertarian, but they didn't nominate a libertarian. At this point, I'm writing in Ron Paul even if my vote doesn't count.