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RonPaulFanInGA
06-24-2008, 06:46 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-becker/nevada-ron-paul-supporter_b_108788.html


Ron Paul may have ended his bid for the presidency, but his supporters in Nevada apparently still believe backing his candidacy and platform will send an important message to the larger Republican Party. At least one Nevada Republican spokesperson, however, will go on record that by continuing to back his suspended candidacy, the Ron Paul supporters are tarnishing the image of the Republican Party in the silver state.

Paul backers, spearheaded by Sparks dentist Wayne Terhune, are renting out the Grand Sierra casino in Reno this weekend to complete unfinished business from the party's April 26 convention, which was cut short under controversial circumstances. The rogue GOP-Ron Paul supporter gathering planned for this weekend is neither sanctioned nor recognized by the Nevada Republican Party, which plans to resume the convention on July 26.

"It's going to cause a big, black eye for Nevada," said Zachary Moyle, the state party's executive director. "It reflects so poorly on the state."

The chaos at the April 26 convention at Peppermill Casino began when attendees overwhelmingly voted to change convention rules and allow delegates to be nominated from the floor. Nearly 200 people added their names to the slate of potential delegates and it took party officials several hours to sort out proper voting procedure.

Nevada sends three delegates from each of its three congressional districts and 22 at-large delegates to the national convention, so the state convention divided by district and voted on congressional delegates first.

About an hour later, murmurs started circulating about some surprising results.

Paul supporters say that all three of the delegates elected in the 3rd Congressional District and at least one in the 1st Congressional District were for Rep. Ron Paul, which meant four of the possible nine state congressional delegates were going to Paul and three delegates from the 2nd district were still being determined. Paul was seriously in the running to win the state congressional districts, in other words, even though the party's nominee would almost certainly be Sen. John McCain.

"Bob Beers, the convention chairman, even then shook Paul's hand and congratulated him," said Carl Bunce, an elected delegate for Paul in CD3.

It was getting late as the convention waited for the results from the final district, but the bulk of the nearly 1,400 in attendance seemed prepared to wait it out.

Bunce says his brother was seated toward the front of the room and overheard a striking exchange pass between Republican Party Chairman Sue Lowden and Councilman Woodbury. Lowden reportedly heard an update from the 2nd Congressional District.

"After the person walked off, Sue sat there for about 30 seconds tapping her foot and then stood up and walked over to Councilman Woodbury, who was sitting in front of me. Leaning over, she said, 'If we can break Quorum, can we invalidate this?'" which is exactly how Richard Bunce wrote up the exchange on the Ron Paul website.

Sue Lowden is out of the country until June 28, but Moyle says they "absolutely object" to allegations that the party recessed the convention due to Paul's success, noting that Nevada was one of the only states that invited the Texas congressman to speak at the party's caucus.

But by all accounts, order at the convention started to disintegrate.

Carl Bunce says he could see convention chairman Bob Beers encircled by party leadership off stage "like he was in a shark tank" shaking his head no.

Moyle says that Paul supporters "aren't reading the truth" when it comes to interpreting the decision to recess.

They both agree that when Beers came on stage to announce that the convention would resume at a later date, the decision wasn't well received.

"People got angry and ran to the front of the room," said Robert Holloway, a lifelong republican who attended the convention. "Beers exited to a chorus of boos."

The remaining attendees tried to reconvene the convention right then and there, but too many people already had left the Peppermill to resume voting.

Several weeks later, when the party hadn't announced a new convention date, Paul's supporters decided they would organize their own. They contend that if a quorum shows up on June 28 any business conducted there will be recognized under the political guidebook Robert's Rule of Order.

But Moyle says the party's bylaws precede Roberts and that if people choose to attend Saturday, instead of the party's official date on July 26, it will only undermine the efforts to elect republicans in the state.

"If there's no quorum at the July meeting, it's only going to hurt themselves," Moyle said.

Despite Paul dropping out of the race and the Nevada Republican Party hosting a barbecue in Vegas on the same date, Robert Holloway plans to travel by van to attend Terhune's convention in Reno - even if it lessens the likelihood of Sen. John McCain winning the state.

"It may affect the election some, but it's more important to take a stand," Holloway said.

pauletteNV
06-24-2008, 09:40 PM
And what is happening in Nevada? I mean, we can discuss Baldwin, Barr, and who knows what else, but why Nevada. (scarcasm)

Please everyone, keep the Nevada posts up for at least another day or two. The convention is on Saturday and we need to work on this. If we pull off a quorum, the restoration of the Constitution within the Republican Party might very well begin here. We so need to show the party leadership that it is we, the delegates, who have control and deserve the voice and the vote.

Please visit <www.nevadagopconvention.com> and donate a couple of bucks and make sure that if you know anyone in Nevada or any press that they know what is happening here. Can we focus at least until after Dr. Paul's convention on what we set out to do? If you feel compelled to promote and post about other candidates...can't you post on their blogs? I go to find a post which needs to be shared, or I need info from it....and it is buried. Seems very unfair to those who still have votes to place and event to represent.

jacross
06-25-2008, 12:03 AM
So if you have the numbers to beat them, why don't you just go the real convention on July 26?

jasonhlasvegas2008
06-25-2008, 12:09 AM
I suspect the July 26th date sponsored by the party is a ruse. Based on all the evidence I think they have no intention of carrying out the convention, and will opt for the illegal mail-in ballot method or simply appoint people to go.

pinkmandy
06-25-2008, 12:27 AM
Thank you for keeping us updated. You guys and gals are really digging in and fighting. THANK YOU.

Pauls' Revere
06-25-2008, 12:36 AM
bump

Paul Revered
06-25-2008, 12:36 AM
Yes Yes Yes!!!

Yes I Say!!!

Perry
06-25-2008, 02:01 AM
The problem with this is that if the GOP does hold their convention and Paul supporters don't show then they win.

devil21
06-25-2008, 03:49 AM
So if you have the numbers to beat them, why don't you just go the real convention on July 26?

I recall reading that the July 26 date puts the reconvene after the 90 day reconvene cutoff date thus making the July 26 convention an entirely new convention started from scratch. IOW, waiting until 7-26 erases the results of the first convention, including the RP delegates wins.

MozoVote
06-25-2008, 05:42 AM
Robert's rules would consider a convention *anytime* within the month of July to be a continuation of the old convention from April. But it's been widely speculated that the Nevada GOP would try and argue that "a quarter has passed" anyway and try to invalidate the voting from April 26.

rprprs
06-25-2008, 06:56 AM
And what is happening in Nevada? I mean, we can discuss Baldwin, Barr, and who knows what else, but why Nevada. (scarcasm)

Please visit <www.nevadagopconvention.com> and donate a couple of bucks and make sure that if you know anyone in Nevada or any press that they know what is happening here. Can we focus at least until after Dr. Paul's convention on what we set out to do? If you feel compelled to promote and post about other candidates...can't you post on their blogs? I go to find a post which needs to be shared, or I need info from it....and it is buried. Seems very unfair to those who still have votes to place and event to represent.

Amen to that. Far too much pimping of other candidates in these forums. I understand that much of this is in an effort to keep the movement and general principles of the revolution alive, but the main focus here should still be the candidacy of Dr. Paul.

Ron Paul may have ended/suspended the active phase of his campaign, but, at least until November, WE must make sure it was meaningful, as fully realized as possible and has the greatest impact feasible in this election cycle. To that end, efforts like those in Nevada should receive the utmost attention and support.

I'm going to the ChipIn now, and I wish you and your fellow patriots the greatest success.

freedom-maniac
06-25-2008, 07:03 AM
Is there ANYONE, ANYONE, running against Bob Beers? RP Republican? Libertarian? Constitutionalist? Dem? Socialist? ANYONE? Can't we just use our power to get rid of him.

If we do that, we send a clear message to the GOP establishment, "Don't screw with us,"

acroso
06-25-2008, 07:07 AM
Bob Beers is definitely on the most hated Republicans list right now...up there with Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

Milton
06-25-2008, 07:11 AM
Talk about a struggle. Do keep the forum updated on the happenings as many of us are watching intently.

SnappleLlama
06-25-2008, 07:11 AM
Good luck, Nevada...I'm definitely excited about any news you bring to the boards!

pauletteNV
06-25-2008, 07:22 AM
The NV GOP has had one excuse after another why we cannot reconvene. Then they throw in lots of questionable ideas about which rule trumps which other rule and that, in essence, they can pretty much do anything they want. Then McBeers makes condescending comments that the Ron Paul people were mainly first time convention goers and didn't understand the rules, making statements like "it might not be moral, but it's legal" and "its always done this way" and "we don't have to follow Robert's Rules." Well, when we take over the State NV GOP, which has to happen, each state has to have new, clean and transparent GOP leaders, this will change. They know that. It was brought up by Brian Kominsky at the meeting in LV the other night, that the RNC sort of rewards the state parties for their performances by funding...now the plot thickens even more. This is how corruption in govenrnment and politics grows and we have a McLowden among us. I rarely name call, but after 3 months of witnessing this, one's patience thins. That is why I keep harping on staying focused and not run off looking for a presidential candidate under every bush. With this huge machine in charge, it really doesn't matter who is if we cannot begin to control and counterbalance this powerful machine to the extent that we can actually make each of our voices heard and each vote count.

Milton
06-25-2008, 07:42 AM
The NV GOP has had one excuse after another why we cannot reconvene. Then they throw in lots of questionable ideas about which rule trumps which other rule and that, in essence, they can pretty much do anything they want. Then McBeers makes condescending comments that the Ron Paul people were mainly first time convention goers and didn't understand the rules, making statements like "it might not be moral, but it's legal" and "its always done this way" and "we don't have to follow Robert's Rules." Well, when we take over the State NV GOP, which has to happen, each state has to have new, clean and transparent GOP leaders, this will change. They know that. It was brought up by Brian Kominsky at the meeting in LV the other night, that the RNC sort of rewards the state parties for their performances by funding...now the plot thickens even more. This is how corruption in govenrnment and politics grows and we have a McLowden among us. I rarely name call, but after 3 months of witnessing this, one's patience thins. That is why I keep harping on staying focused and not run off looking for a presidential candidate under every bush. With this huge machine in charge, it really doesn't matter who is if we cannot begin to control and counterbalance this powerful machine to the extent that we can actually make each of our voices heard and each vote count.

What you people are doing is literally grabbing the bull by the horns and slamming it to the ground refusing to listen to the rhetoric. I commend and salute you with the utmost respect. You should consider adopting an official motto: "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." (Thomas Jefferson) is one I would definitely suggest.

/salute!

SnappleLlama
06-25-2008, 07:47 AM
To anyone going to the delegate convention on Saturday: will you be able to post updates to the boards that day, or will you be too busy conducting official business? I would love to follow along with any updates you guys can post! Thanks!

pauletteNV
06-25-2008, 07:47 AM
Amen to that. Far too much pimping of other candidates in these forums. I understand that much of this is in an effort to keep the movement and general principles of the revolution alive, but the main focus here should still be the candidacy of Dr. Paul.

Ron Paul may have ended/suspended the active phase of his campaign, but, at least until November, WE must make sure it was meaningful, as fully realized as possible and has the greatest impact feasible in this election cycle. To that end, efforts like those in Nevada should receive the utmost attention and support.

I'm going to the ChipIn now, and I wish you and your fellow patriots the greatest success.


Last night after visiting a couple of Ron Paul blogs spots and seeing all of the posts for others...while I had virtually worked all day in preparing for Saturday's Convention, I got a bit hot and bothered. We simply must stay focused and if one is incapable of doing that for Ron Paul...then I say, stay on the other candidates' blogs.

pauletteNV
06-25-2008, 07:58 AM
Thanks Milton and SnappleLlama and the others who have shown they understand. There is a link for freedomphoenix somewhere...I'll look for it, and I understand that they will be telecasting the proceedings. I'm sure though, with all the techies we have, someone will be updating here. I cannot begin to tell yo the underlying excitement I am feeling. If we can pull this off...it could very well be the beginning of the return to sanity...at the very least it is showing the party that we mean business.

Bob Beers appears to be under the thumb of the party. We don't need politicans like that...we need people who stand up for their constituents. Bob Beers could be a hero. Yes, he could. If he showed up on Saturday and picked up that gavel and declared a quorum and continued where he left off, as he promised...he could redeem himself. I've listened to a few of Bob's speeches, and he really is a conservative, which is one vote in his favor. Apparently he wants to be governor of our fair state one day and I know a path for him....pick up that gavel Bob Beers and show you can stand with the people and liberty!

pauletteNV
06-25-2008, 08:03 AM
Got to thinking about my last post on Bob Beers. Maybe "hero" is too strong a term...but he could help to redeem himself and possibly regain our support in the future, instead of digging himself a hole within the future of the GOP in this state, because we Ron Paul Republicans will change this party. There's change you can count on. There, that's better.

deadserious
06-25-2008, 10:05 AM
To anyone going to the delegate convention on Saturday: will you be able to post updates to the boards that day, or will you be too busy conducting official business? I would love to follow along with any updates you guys can post! Thanks!

I'm going to try to stream the event live on my website. I'll let you know if I get it set up.

SnappleLlama
06-25-2008, 10:20 AM
I'm going to try to stream the event live on my website. I'll let you know if I get it set up.

Awesome! Thanks!

Michael Landon
06-25-2008, 11:43 AM
Bump.

dannno
06-25-2008, 11:53 AM
I'm going to try to stream the event live on my website. I'll let you know if I get it set up.

I was just going to ask about that.

GREAT!!

Be sure to make a big bright thread for it, and maybe the MODs could sticky it on Saturday for the big show?

deadserious
06-25-2008, 12:08 PM
Here's the announcement thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=144368

Feel free to sticky it or whatever. I'm broadcasting via Stickam so should have enough bandwidth to handle whoever shows up.

HOLLYWOOD
06-25-2008, 12:14 PM
I suspect the July 26th date sponsored by the party is a ruse. Based on all the evidence I think they have no intention of carrying out the convention, and will opt for the illegal mail-in ballot method or simply appoint people to go.

I still have a hard time accepting ANYTHING the NVGOP are doing... It's so close to FELONY ELECTIONS TAMPERING/SABOTAGE.

If they falsify the MAIL-INS... that another ELECTIONS TAMPERING VIOLATION.

US MARSHALLS and FBI should be on top of watching the NVGOP and their Conspiring, Rules Violating, NVGOP board.

I hope they're under the magnifying glass... this convention is starting to look like a corrupt 3rd world nation fixed election.

puppetmaster
06-25-2008, 12:27 PM
This is why we MUST get on the inside...at all costs!
They only way to defeat the machine


I still have a hard time accepting ANYTHING the NVGOP are doing... It's so close to FELONY ELECTIONS TAMPERING/SABOTAGE.

If they falsify the MAIL-INS... that another ELECTIONS TAMPERING VIOLATION.

US MARSHALLS and FBI should be on top of watching the NVGOP and their Conspiring, Rules Violating, NVGOP board.

I hope they're under the magnifying glass... this convention is starting to look like a corrupt 3rd world nation fixed election.

scandinaviany3
06-25-2008, 01:47 PM
http://www.nevadagop.org/About/Default.aspx?SectionId=291

I guess if by bylaws they say on central committee can call the state convention meeting, and assume followup that for one thing you have to change your bylaws.

2nd that you will have to go to court to ensure that the previous conention results are held to...and that they will reopen to finish all remaining business, and not reset the convention.

lastly why not go to both and have the first order of all business in the last convention to adopt the previous conventions results and close the final convention in one act.

pauletteNV
06-25-2008, 03:39 PM
"lastly why not go to both and have the first order of all business in the last convention to adopt the previous conventions results and close the final convention in one act. "

The problem is they are not truly intending to have a convention...never have been. They want a mail-in ballot if they can get enough people to back that idea...failing that, they want the original slate of delegates as prepared by the nominating committee, whoever they are.

NV GOP have delayed until the last minute and the letter we got from Sue McLowden doesn't say that there is a definite meeting date. It says if you intend to attend you must mail in your $35...to cover extra security necessitated by those rowdy, violent Ron Paul supporters, don't you know. Well, please come to my party, but even though I illegally recessed it before, you will have to pay to come...and it might be violent. That's the message. Or, lucky you, you can opt to just mail in your ballot...42Cents and no risk to your limbs. But, there's another little problem. Mail-in ballots look to be illegal, unless the delegates have voted for this type of nomination/voting. You have to get together to make a motion, second it, and change the way of voting. But wait, it is already too late to reschedule yet another convention...and, add to that another convention called after 90 days from the original would also be illegal because it would have to be a "new" convention and you can't have two. OH, my says Sue McLowden....what to do? I know, we'll just submit the original slate that the nominating committee created. But, someone says, it was voted down by a 2/3rds vote. No worries says Sue, that vote and convention no longer count and we can just send this in as the NV GOP and this is our official slate of delegates. See, there's won't be a second convention and there was never any intention of there being one, imo.

puppetmaster
06-26-2008, 08:17 PM
bump

jasonhlasvegas2008
06-26-2008, 09:12 PM
See ya in Reno Zac!

"It's going to cause a big, black eye for Nevada," said Zachary Moyle, the state party's executive director. "It reflects so poorly on the state."

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