United Front

[Paul Revered]

I doubt that Ron Paul will be endorsing anyone; as he in good conscience may find it difficult to endorse McCain. He can't endorse anyone outside the GOP, and be perceived as loyal. We cannot count on Paul to lead us at this time. We also cannot afford to squander all of the time and money that Paul and his supporters have invested. The fact that Paul cannot lead us at this time is no great obstacle. We have been a highly organized grassroots movement from the beginning. We have made this effort a success, and I can't see any reason why that needs to change. As Ron Paul will not be on the ballot, a write in vote for Paul will accomplish little. However a strong 3rd party run will send a loud message to both parties. They are very protective of their power; and a 3rd party president would seriously upset their little partnership. If you think that I an right; will you stand with me to form a consensus? If I am wrong; will you demonstrate how, and gain the support to build a consensus? The key point is that we remain united, and effective in our cause.

3rd party candidates might not be exactly who we want in office, but we don't want to see Obama nor McCain in office. What 3rd party candidate has a realistic chance of winning; yet at the same time, more closely supports our ideals, more than Obama, or McCain?

Can we unite in time to still have an impact on this Presidential election?

[pauletteNV]

Dr. Paul has a plan...and we have been following it. He knows from experience that 3rd party runs are not a winning situation. He believes in the original platforms/planks of the Republican Party for the most part; it is one of the two major parties where one can actually accomplish something...so we need to take it over. I think it is wheel-spinning to promote anything put the original
R3volution and the Campaign for Liberty.

There is such corruption within the major parties, that the best way to accomplish some true liberty for all, is to bring honesty, the Constitution, and the original tenants of the Republican Party back within the framework of the party. There might be some runs for other offices within 3rd parties which might do o.k. and if there is someone I can support within that party - other than President - I might very well vote for them over a corrupt Republican incumbent. Some of the off brand parties have image problems and past party runs which make them ever doing well in a major race very unlikely.

All this talk of other candidates and others parties is, imo, very premature at the very best. We still have events on the books and until they annouce the candidate at the Convention in St. Paul, Ron Paul's candidacy is only suspended. Did you notice the bandages on McCain's head? Maybe that is what will cause him to leave the race...then it it down to Ron Paul whose popularity we have not allowed to die off...and Romney, maybe Hucklebee. There's lot of work to be done still....don't dilute the effort, please.

[acptulsa]

Dr. Paul has a plan...and we have been following it. He knows from experience that 3rd party runs are not a winning situation. He believes in the original platforms/planks of the Republican Party for the most part; it is one of the two major parties where one can actually accomplish something...so we need to take it over. I think it is wheel-spinning to promote anything put the original R3volution and the Campaign for Liberty.
....don't dilute the effort, please.

I agree and I don't. I agree but I think the OP is quite correct that Dr. Paul won't ***** his standing with the G.O.P. by making an endorsement. And while getting candidates in offices federal state and local nationwide and getting ourselves into the G.O.P. machinery is the most important task before us, it would be nice to do some good with this presidential election--even if only by scaring the crap out of the powers that be. And we can only scare them when we're united. Divided we're just a joke to them. I, too, think it would be nice if we could unite behind one candidate.

[SLSteven]

If Ron Paul does not get the nomination and if he will not endorse someone, maybe there is someone else that we can agree upon to be our leader in this matter. Is there anyone besides Ron Paul who can unite us?

[Paul Revered]

Dr. Paul has a plan...and we have been following it. He knows from experience that 3rd party runs are not a winning situation. He believes in the original platforms/planks of the Republican Party for the most part; it is one of the two major parties where one can actually accomplish something...so we need to take it over. I think it is wheel-spinning to promote anything put the original
R3volution and the Campaign for Liberty.

There is such corruption within the major parties, that the best way to accomplish some true liberty for all, is to bring honesty, the Constitution, and the original tenants of the Republican Party back within the framework of the party. There might be some runs for other offices within 3rd parties which might do o.k. and if there is someone I can support within that party - other than President - I might very well vote for them over a corrupt Republican incumbent. Some of the off brand parties have image problems and past party runs which make them ever doing well in a major race very unlikely.

All this talk of other candidates and others parties is, imo, very premature at the very best. We still have events on the books and until they annouce the candidate at the Convention in St. Paul, Ron Paul's candidacy is only suspended. Did you notice the bandages on McCain's head? Maybe that is what will cause him to leave the race...then it it down to Ron Paul whose popularity we have not allowed to die off...and Romney, maybe Hucklebee. There's lot of work to be done still....don't dilute the effort, please.I have no intention of diluting this effort. You are correct that there is still much work to be done; and I agree with Ron Paul's position, that the best way to accomplish this work is to reform the GOP. If McCain were to drop out of the race, I'm certain that nearly all of Paul's supporters would turn on a dime, to give him whatever it is that he might need.

[The_Orlonater]

If Ron Paul does not get the nomination and if he will not endorse someone, maybe there is someone else that we can agree upon to be our leader in this matter. Is there anyone besides Ron Paul who can unite us?

There's always Barr ,or Baldwin. Here's the problem, though. A lot of people don't trust Barr, and I'm not sure about Baldwin. We all to pick out of these 3 choices.

1) Barr
2) Baldwin
3) Write in Ron Paul

I think number 3 is our best bet, because 3rd parties never work.

[acptulsa]

I think number 3 is our best bet, because 3rd parties never work.

Unfortunately, in a great many states (like mine) write in votes aren't counted. Some even throw the whole ballot out because of a write in in one section of it.

[Paul Revered]

There's always Barr ,or Baldwin. Here's the problem, though. A lot of people don't trust Barr, and I'm not sure about Baldwin. We all to pick out of these 3 choices.

1) Barr
2) Baldwin
3) Write in Ron Paul

I think number 3 is our best bet, because 3rd parties never work.

Let's take a fair hard look at 3. If Ron Paul is not on the ballot; what will this accomplish?

[SLSteven]

There's always Barr ,or Baldwin. Here's the problem, though. A lot of people don't trust Barr, and I'm not sure about Baldwin. We all to pick out of these 3 choices.

1) Barr
2) Baldwin
3) Write in Ron Paul

I think number 3 is our best bet, because 3rd parties never work.

I am wondering if there is some sort of "impartial" person who we could all get behind to make the choice. Or, maybe we could have a big coin toss televised live.

[pauletteNV]

There's always Barr ,or Baldwin. Here's the problem, though. A lot of people don't trust Barr, and I'm not sure about Baldwin. We all to pick out of these 3 choices.

1) Barr
2) Baldwin
3) Write in Ron Paul

I think number 3 is our best bet, because 3rd parties never work.


Yes, even if it doesn't "count." If we are so far gone to believe that our vote really does count over the diebold...... I actually prefer for there to be a None of the Above, but another possibility is to vote for lesser offices, but leave the Presidential vote empty as a sign of protest against the candidates nominated. The RNC in DC nominates...no matter how much conflict we go through the way things stand now. That is why taking a stand against them, as in Nevada, is so important. My first choice: Ron Paul on the ballot.... Second choice, if available, write in... Third choice, if available...NOTA and Final Choice: leave no vote for President while voting for others. Look at this example, if it is reported accurately :rolleyes: Total voters in State A: 100,000....votes for McCain 5,000......doesn't look good for the GOP now does it. Somehow we need to get the GOP back on track. Of the other choices, there is no choice imo. We need to make a stand and not vote another party in the presidential race, unless Dr. Paul completely endorses that person (which might also mean he just might take VP)....is would lessen our effectiveness, imo.

[Paul Revered]

I am wondering if there is some sort of "impartial" person who we could all get behind to make the choice. Or, maybe we could have a big coin toss televised live.I see threads in these forums about our movement splintering. These are destructive. I'm not sure what the answer is; but we need to think positively. We are a very intelligent group, and if we work together we can come up with the most effective answer. There is only one best answer. We have a 1 in 3 chance of getting it right on a coin toss. With the intellectual resources that we have collectively, a coin toss, in my opinion, would be a waste of those valuable resources.

[pcosmar]

Let's take a fair hard look at 3. If Ron Paul is not on the ballot; what will this accomplish?

Look at the other two choices.
what are you going to accomplish?
Even if we had a so called "United Front" there are not enough to make any difference in the outcome of this election.
All we can do is register dissatisfaction with the other two parties.
We will do that whoever we we chose to vote for.

Work on Congressional seats and local politics.

[SLSteven]

Maybe we could promote a big public event at which our final choice would be made. (By coin toss or other method) Maybe our way to make an impact would be to show the world our willingness to unite in this way. To show them that we have differences but that we are united in doing everything we can to restore liberty.

[SLSteven]

Even if we had a so called "United Front" there are not enough to make any difference in the outcome of this election.
All we can do is register dissatisfaction with the other two parties.
We will do that whoever we we chose to vote for.

Work on Congressional seats and local politics.

Good points! We need to grow the revolution!

[Paul Revered]

Look at the other two choices.
what are you going to accomplish?
Even if we had a so called "United Front" there are not enough to make any difference in the outcome of this election.
Can you demonstrate this? It's not only Ron Paul's people that are looking for alternatives. Much of the Republican party is not satisfied with McCain. Many of Hillary's supporters are not happy with Obama. Ron Paul's people could potentially serve as a catalyst to unite disgruntled Conservatives from both parties.

[pcosmar]

Can you demonstrate this? It's not only Ron Paul's people that are looking for alternatives. Much of the Republican party is not satisfied with McCain. Many of Hillary's supporters are not happy with Obama. Ron Paul's people could potentially serve as a catalyst to unite disgruntled Conservatives from both parties.

If that were so we would have seen it in the primaries.
No.
those people don't/ aren't thinking anything past "R" or "D". They either hate Bush/McCain or hate Clinton/Obama. They are not voting the "good of the country" but only the folks in power.

In a nutshell, they are not thinking.

[armstrong]

I agree and will write in Ron Paul or would vote for a Jesse Ventura / Ron Paul ticket------Jesse has name recognition and of course I dont agree with everything about him but do agree with alot and I do think he would at least take us in the right direction with Rons help so a the other 3rd party candidates need to have a patriot summit and get Jesse on the ballot via 3rd Party ----Jesse said he would run if we get him on the ballot....

[acptulsa]

Can you demonstrate this? It's not only Ron Paul's people that are looking for alternatives. Much of the Republican party is not satisfied with McCain. Many of Hillary's supporters are not happy with Obama. Ron Paul's people could potentially serve as a catalyst to unite disgruntled Conservatives from both parties.

This is true, in fact. Indeed, people are simply disgusted with those two parties. And, yes, I hope and push for unity because I want them to vote for, rather than against, meaning cast their lots outside of the two majors. I do think this is important. Movements gain momentum, and they do it when people see how many others agree with them and what useful things they are doing about it. It could scare the two majors into embracing reform. It could end the two party system. We haven't seen much evidence of that during the primaries, but our message hadn't sunk in yet, and it's starting to. Besides, the more bad news comes along the better our side looks. The situation does change.

We have opportunities coming. I hope we're not screaming at each other so loudly we don't hear it knock!

[pauletteNV]

Good points! We need to grow the revolution!

So, that's good enough for me. Besides, I don't see that doing anything else really accomplishes helps the country or the Campaign for Liberty in the long run.
Thans SLSteven....R3volution, Campaign for Freedom and move ahead. It might be taking a few more steps than we would have liked, but look at where we are now with things as they are currently in the government. Onward.

[Paul Revered]

This is true, in fact. Indeed, people are simply disgusted with those two parties. And, yes, I hope and push for unity because I want them to vote for, rather than against, meaning cast their lots outside of the two majors. I do think this is important. Movements gain momentum, and they do it when people see how many others agree with them and what useful things they are doing about it. It could scare the two majors into embracing reform. It could end the two party system. We haven't seen much evidence of that during the primaries, but our message hadn't sunk in yet, and it's starting to. Besides, the more bad news comes along the better our side looks. The situation does change.

We have opportunities coming. I hope we're not screaming at each other so loudly we don't hear it knock!
I hear you.

[Paul Revered]

I agree and will write in Ron Paul or would vote for a Jesse Ventura / Ron Paul ticket------Jesse has name recognition and of course I dont agree with everything about him but do agree with alot and I do think he would at least take us in the right direction with Rons help so a the other 3rd party candidates need to have a patriot summit and get Jesse on the ballot via 3rd Party ----Jesse said he would run if we get him on the ballot....I hadn't heard about Jesse. I doubt that Ron Paul will reconsider his previous position; but Jesse has good name recognition. He could bring a lot of 'built in' votes.

[Paul Revered]

Good points! We need to grow the revolution!

We can do both. Will one detract from the other? Might raising awareness in this manner, bring attention to our cause?

[dannno]

I doubt that Ron Paul will be endorsing anyone; as he in good conscience may find it difficult to endorse McCain.

He already said that Obama was a better choice than McCain, WHYYY would he think about endorsing McCain?!!?!

Clearly he would endorse OBAMA before endorsing McCain (And YES, I am fully aware that Obama will not be endorsed by Paul, I'm just saying he is closer to an endorsement than McCain!!)

[dgingerich]

He already said that Obama was a better choice than McCain, WHYYY would he think about endorsing McCain?!!?!

Clearly he would endorse OBAMA before endorsing McCain (And YES, I am fully aware that Obama will not be endorsed by Paul, I'm just saying he is closer to an endorsement than McCain!!)

I never heard Dr. Paul say Obama would be a better choice. I only heard him say that he thought Obama would win. There's a BIG difference between the two! Obama is a complete liberal socialist. Ron Paul would NEVER consider supporting him, even over McLame.:eek:

[pauletteNV]

Never said he thought any of he third party candidates would win. Why? Because they won't....simple.

[JK/SEA]

We need someone who isn't the usual suspects, like the ones mentioned in this thread.

We need fresh blood.

[Paul Revered]

We need someone who isn't the usual suspects, like the ones mentioned in this thread.

We need fresh blood.That is a very interesting idea. This person might already be amongst us.