Hispanic Vote

[american.swan]

Correct me if I am wrong...

There are now more Hispanics in the USA then African-Americans.

What have we done to get Ron Paul coverage on Spanish news programs or talk radio?

From my uneducated guess, the lovely Spanish among us LOVE everything about RON PAUL except perhaps his border/immigration policy. This would be a huge coup to get a mass of "democratic leaning Hispanics" to vote for Ron Paul because of the freedom message.

How can we appeal to them? Is it impossible?

[born2drv]

Correct me if I am wrong...

There are now more Hispanics in the USA then African-Americans.

What have we done to get Ron Paul coverage on Spanish news programs or talk radio?

From my uneducated guess, the lovely Spanish among us LOVE everything about RON PAUL except perhaps his border/immigration policy. This would be a huge coup to get a mass of "democratic leaning Hispanics" to vote for Ron Paul because of the freedom message.

How can we appeal to them? Is it impossible?

anti-abortion (since most are catholic),

also you could point them in the way of RP's stance of personal liberties, freedom, no income taxes or other ways of tracking people's private matters, etc.. but of course they would need to be citizens.... but these things are important to immigrants because they don't like feeling we're spying on them and they came here for freedom and prosperity....

but RP is also against anchor babies, and wants to eliminate birthright citizenship, so hispanics might become upset about this if they find out ;)

you'd be surprised however, how many hispanics are against illegal immigration. they think it looks bad on legitimate hispanic immigrants as a whole.

[Kregener]

This will be a hard-sell.

Ron is talking about doing away with entitlements, not increasing them.

[american.swan]

On the issues of media bias, do you think Spanish stations would be less bias and more honest about what Ron Paul stands for?

[sylvania]

Legal immigrants hate entitlements as much as we do, in my experience. My dad who lives in California, works with many legal immigrants and they are hard-working people who do not like feeding into the entitlement system. Also, I know a DUI defense attorney and many of his clients are hispanic and they would much rather pay money and go back to work than spend any time in jail. They are always asking, "Can't I just pay money?" They are very hard-working and do not like that people get "free rides." And since these are the ones who can vote, I don't feel like this is impossible at all.

[njjack]

This topic has come up a couple of times before.

Why is it automatically assumed that hispanics that are citizens and can vote are automatically for weaker borders and would have issues with Ron Paul's stances on immigration?

All the hispanics I've met that are legally in this country think that the laws should be enforced and support strong border security.

As born2drv mentioned you would be surprised how many hispanics are against illegal immigration. Those that are legally here that look to apply for lower paying jobs that have been taken over by illegals have the same problem non-hispanics do, they are enraged just the same if not more so. This is particularly an issue for legal hispanics in California, they cannot find opportunities that pay wages that would support a reasonable level of living because wages and opportunities have dried up due to illegal aliens.

I think the first step is to change our way of thinking and assumptions about hispanics, once that is done it will be much easier to relate to hispanics that can vote and thus win them over.

Groups that are for open borders are not hispanics that vote they are executives in corporations looking for cheap labor, the illegal aliens, CFR, and other parties they are not voting hispanics.

[Man from La Mancha]

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/79818

More than 100,000 people swelled the streets of downtown Phoenix on the morning of April 10 to demonstrate for fair immigration reform.

Until that day, Arizona had never seen a movement powerful enough to draw so many Hispanic immigrants into the political arena. They marched in droves to a rally at the state Capitol where they vowed to be a force in the upcoming election.

But while the march’s organizers were able to rally people into the streets, they failed to rally voters to the polls.

All four of Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration propositions passed by wide margins — and, perhaps surprisingly, several surveys showed that between 40 percent and 50 percent of Hispanics voted for them.

“I call it a disappointment myself, but it’s hard to turn a whole community’s attitude around and I think that is what we are facing,” said Roberto Reveles, president of Somos America. “It’s going to take a lot more time to get people past the ... negative imagery that has been created.”

In several different surveys, pollsters found that many Hispanics in Arizona continued a trend of voting in favor of antiillegal immigration measures.

Rod Fernandez, 44, said he voted for all four of the anti-illegal immigration propositions partly because he deals every day with the headaches of illegal immigration.

He said his livelihood has been hurt by day laborers across the street from his job at Karl’s Custom in Mesa.

“They’ll all pile into the truck looking for work,” he said. “Recently, a couple of customers said they were afraid to come here, or they won’t leave their car overnight.”

Fernandez said the issue is not about race, but about playing by the rules.

“I’m not against Hispanics from Mexico,” he said. “I’m against them coming out here and getting all the benefits I have that I’m entitled to because I’m a taxpayer.”


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[max]

On the issues of media bias, do you think Spanish stations would be less bias and more honest about what Ron Paul stands for?

Univision is very left wing...i think its under viacom control (Sumner Redstone...Zionist)...

[Lord Xar]

I think that many of you are looking at this immigration thing as a racial one.

I personally have alot of hispanic friends and one symphathizes but doesn't support and all others DO NOT LIKE illegal immigration.

Remember, Cesar Chavez HATED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

This is NOT a race issue or a culture issue. Now, if you get to highly populated areas of hispanics, most likely they will not like Ron Paul if illegal immigration is a big issue to them as they will most likely be illegal or be associated with someone who is illegal.

Keep in mind, we are talking about hispanics that can vote. And from my experience, and I am sure others have different experiences, they will like Ron Paul. Those hispanics born here or have roots here for a while do not like illegal immigration.. its a blight. They have the same concerns as you or I.

Also, the democrates want illegal immigration and HUGE populations dependent on the government so their socialist agendas can come to pass - so they cater to hispanics.. also, remember - almost ALL illegals and those who are not here for anything other than work do not have "love" for america.. we are a means to an ends for them.. money. I could be wrong, and plainly concede if this is the case.

I say, promote as you normally would, and DO NOT PANDER. Liberty and freedom, lower taxes, etc... should be message enough... unless of course you are here to leech in which anything but a socialist will suck.

I am with the others here that feel that legal hispanics and who have love for america ( you know, don't wave mexico or whatever else flags) do not like illegal immigration... and the millions that came here legally, they abhore the shortcuts illegals take and how they leach the system.

[american.swan]

This topic has come up a couple of times before.

Why is it automatically assumed that hispanics that are citizens and can vote are automatically for weaker borders and would have issues with Ron Paul's stances on immigration?

All the hispanics I've met that are legally in this country think that the laws should be enforced and support strong border security.

As born2drv mentioned you would be surprised how many hispanics are against illegal immigration. Those that are legally here that look to apply for lower paying jobs that have been taken over by illegals have the same problem non-hispanics do, they are enraged just the same if not more so. This is particularly an issue for legal hispanics in California, they cannot find opportunities that pay wages that would support a reasonable level of living because wages and opportunities have dried up due to illegal aliens.

I think the first step is to change our way of thinking and assumptions about hispanics, once that is done it will be much easier to relate to hispanics that can vote and thus win them over.

Groups that are for open borders are not hispanics that vote they are executives in corporations looking for cheap labor, the illegal aliens, CFR, and other parties they are not voting hispanics.

I firmly believe Hispanic US citizens need freedoms just like the rest of us. Alright GREAT...their on our side, how do we move forward?

start a Spanish language forum for RON PAUL lovers. Put Ron Paul's statement of faith at Spanish language churches. Put up some banners in Spanish neighborhoods. Are there any "meetup" website in Spanish?

[McDermit]

As a Hispanic who is here legally, I agree with most all of the points made above. I'm absolutely against open borders and amnesty. So are most of the other legal immigrants I know. There are a few, mostly those with family here illegally, who want more rights for illegals.. but for the most part, legals want a crackdown on illegal immigration as well. In many parts of the country, the illegals give us all a bad name.

Abortion is usually a strong issue. Taxes, of course. The war. The draft. We all like our privacy. And I think education is pretty high on the list as well. Healthcare is iffy.. the concept of a nationwide, govt run healthcare system is tempting. But definitely civil liberties, property rights, and taxes will be huge positives.

RP's stance on the war on drugs has nearly always been a hit with the people I've spoken to.. most of the Hispanics around here have either friends or family members who have, at one time or another, been in legal trouble because of drugs. And getting them clean is even harder, it seems. The clinics/programs here don't have Spanish speaking workers, so there's really nowhere to go. Jail, street, repeat. Drugs affect a LOT of Hispanic families. Plus the gang violence is (around here anyway) nearly always drug related.

I wouldn't push RP's gun stance though, as it seems to be a hot button. My youngest brother was recently arrested on a firearms charge. I've talked to a LOT of people about guns over the past few months.. and opinions within the Hispanic community vary drastically from one person to the next. Most moms and grandmothers hate guns and wish no one could buy one. Young to middle aged men tend to realize that more gun restrictions only mean that the criminals have guns, while law obiding citizens are then left unprocteted. Older males and younger females seem to have more diverse opinions than the other groups.

[McDermit]

Put Ron Paul's statement of faith at Spanish language churches. Put up some banners in Spanish neighborhoods. Are there any "meetup" website in Spanish?

On that note, we should have a Spanish translation of the SOF. My written Spanish is horrendous, or I'd do it.

I send people to the Hispanics4RonPaul myspace all the time though. Great resource.

[njjack]

I firmly believe Hispanic US citizens need freedoms just like the rest of us. Alright GREAT...their on our side, how do we move forward?

start a Spanish language forum for RON PAUL lovers. Put Ron Paul's statement of faith at Spanish language churches. Put up some banners in Spanish neighborhoods. Are there any "meetup" website in Spanish?

All of the above would be great!

Our biggest challenge is probably not to target a segment of the population. The challenge in this campaign is one we've already identified, getting people to ask who is Ron Paul? or quién es Ron Paul? :)

It's name recognition, the more Ron Paul is mentioned in all forms of media and languages the better. Doing things in Spanish is cool for those that have the time, skill and interest. Supporters will do this, i've seen supporter sites and videos in different languages, German, Dutch, French, Japanese, if its not already up I'm sure a Spanish site will be up soon.

[wolv275]

I'm a Hispanic American, born and raised in Peru. Legally migrated to the US in 86, Served in the Army for 5 yrs where i got my citizenship in 95 after volunteering to be in the Army special forces (2nd ranger battalion) I got my citizenship in less than a week, it was the shit, one of the proudest days of my life.

From what i can tell, all of my family is voting for Ron Paul, because of his message. Although we may be more sympathetic to immigration, we are all about "legal" immigration :)

[Man from La Mancha]

I'm a Hispanic American, born and raised in Peru. Legally migrated to the US in 86, Served in the Army for 5 yrs where i got my citizenship in 95 after volunteering to be in the Army special forces (2nd ranger battalion) I got my citizenship in less than a week, it was the shit, one of the proudest days of my life.

From what i can tell, all of my family is voting for Ron Paul, because of his message. Although we may be more sympathetic to immigration, we are all about "legal" immigration :)Thanks for joining us the right way and serving in the military;

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[cjhowe]

I'm a Hispanic American, born and raised in Peru. Legally migrated to the US in 86, Served in the Army for 5 yrs where i got my citizenship in 95 after volunteering to be in the Army special forces (2nd ranger battalion) I got my citizenship in less than a week, it was the shit, one of the proudest days of my life.

From what i can tell, all of my family is voting for Ron Paul, because of his message. Although we may be more sympathetic to immigration, we are all about "legal" immigration :)

After 21 years of being in America, have you gotten used to the sneers and suspicion that you're illegal when you're not dressed in uniform or your Sunday's best or do you just carry your papers at all times?

[Lord Xar]

After 21 years of being in America, have you gotten used to the sneers and suspicion that you're illegal when you're not dressed in uniform or your Sunday's best or do you just carry your papers at all times?

Are you serious? That is one of the most ignorant things I have heard you say?

What planet are you living on? We can always count on cjhowe to turn a discussion into something negative.

Dude, I do not know what your problem is but you are not the only one to have a majority of hispanic friends or have grown up around hispanics. Stop this victim/blame game scenario that is always prevalent in your posts. Its friggin tiring.

Next thing you'll be talking about civil rights and comparing hispanics with black americans... or more apt, "driving while brown"!

sneers? dude. you just infect every thread you are on with something assanine. I guess when the majority of hispanic posters here do not agree with you, you pull the "victim" card. Or try to play the saviour of the "brown man". Get over yourself. Dude. Seriously. chill.




Hey Cjhowe, quick question - who are you voting for?

[r3volution]

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[cjhowe]

McDermit,

I can understand your disdain towards illegal immigration. But, why would you be opposed to open borders?

[Man from La Mancha]

McDermit,

I can understand your disdain towards illegal immigration. But, why would you be opposed to open borders?Don't bother answering this question, it will result in a series of illogical responses that there should be no borders that can define a country and how it wants to govern.

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[Lord Xar]

Don't bother answering this question, it will result in a series of illogical responses that there should be no borders that can define a country and how it wants to govern.

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I concur.

[cjhowe]

Are you serious? That is one of the most ignorant things I have heard you say?

What planet are you living on? We can always count on cjhowe to turn a discussion into something negative.

Dude, I do not know what your problem is but you are not the only one to have a majority of hispanic friends or have grown up around hispanics. Stop this victim/blame game scenario that is always prevalent in your posts. Its friggin tiring.

Next thing you'll be talking about civil rights and comparing hispanics with black americans... or more apt, "driving while brown"!

sneers? dude. you just infect every thread you are on with something assanine. I guess when the majority of hispanic posters here do not agree with you, you pull the "victim" card. Or try to play the saviour of the "brown man". Get over yourself. Dude. Seriously. chill.

Hey Cjhowe, quick question - who are you voting for?

You're right, my post wasn't up to par, it's late. However, in order to accomplish your anti-illegal immigration roundup, it's the attitude that you would have to be advocating.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. I'm voting for Ron Paul. Just because I differ with him on two issues (immigration and abortion), doesn't mean that I don't support him or that I feel that the policy that he advocates on those two issues isn't the best of the field. As far as immigration, he's more concerned about the entitlement system than immigration and I can support that (although his overflow of that ideology into birthright citizenship is a bit distasteful). As far as abortion, I'm pro-choice but am fully confident that even in Texas, if RvW is reversed we can handle the issue appropriately.

[cjhowe]

Don't bother answering this question, it will result in a series of illogical responses that there should be no borders that can define a country and how it wants to govern.

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You must not be familiar with arguments of limited government if you thought that is where it is going.

http://www.isil.org/resources/libertydocs/immigration-open.html

[devil21]

I want a Tyranny Response Team t-shirt. Anybody know where I can get one?

That has so much potential. www.ronpaul2008.com at the bottom.

EDIT: nevermind found it right here http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/tyrresteamts.html

[Lord Xar]

You must not be familiar with arguments of limited government if you thought that is where it is going.

http://www.isil.org/resources/libertydocs/immigration-open.html

dude. You act like you have something original to offer or that you aren't as transparent as you seem to think everyone here is. As sure as you are with your arguments/positions - I am with mine. We are all here to do one thing. Get RON PAUL ELECTED. Thats it! Sure, we share knowledge and whatnot, but you have an agenda. And that agenda is to promote your views of open borders.

I personally think La Mancha had you pegged because that is exactly where I thought you WERE going!

Lets be real here. If you truly cared about 'his' views you would have pinged him thru PM. You want others to read your posts so as to perhaps bend towards your open borders philosophy.

Its late, I am gonna eat the rest of my Gnochi bolognese.... If any of you ever get to Venice beach, make sure you eat at C & O Trattoria...

[DXDoug]

the people i have talked to seem to be for ron paul . So im sure they will see he is the right choice