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cska80
06-20-2008, 04:08 PM
I'm curious as to what you all think. Corporate welfare, social programs, bailouts, etc. Who's the majority?

forsmant
06-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Yes.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Who are "we"?

forsmant
06-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Who who who who Whooooooooooo Are you.

cska80
06-20-2008, 04:10 PM
Who are "we"?

"We" are people like myself. Someone who has never taken a dime from the government and never will, and just wants to be left alone.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 04:13 PM
Someone who has never taken a dime from the government and never will

Roads don't build themselves!

:rolleyes:

Cowlesy
06-20-2008, 04:13 PM
We are ridiculously outnumbered. We've conditionally trained our population to look to the Gov't when they need help.

It's a battle that I don't even begin to imagine I know how to fight against.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
06-20-2008, 04:17 PM
nt

fr33domfightr
06-20-2008, 04:22 PM
I would say we are outnumbered. Those receiving something from social programs probably aren't that politically powerful, depending on what program you're talking about. Corporate Welfare is another story, as corporations seem to have much more influence than we do. The not-so-funny thing is, our elected officials seem to forget that we, the taxpayers, keep this country running. If it weren't for us, those piddling donations given to the politicians wouldn't amount to jack squat.


FF

cska80
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Roads don't build themselves!

:rolleyes:

My gas tax goes to roads. What other taxes do I pay go to roads? I hate that stupid remark. That's got to be the dumbest talking point in history.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
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dannno
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Who would provide you with a license if there were no gov't?

Who would arrest you if you didn't have one?

forsmant
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
License? We don't need no license

cska80
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Obviously you missed the whole point of this topic, or you're just a troll looking for an argument. I didn't say ZOMG GET RID OF THE GOVERNMENT ANARCHY ROARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! I'm talking about welfare, government hands outs........I mean really. Try to stay on topic.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
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forsmant
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
BUt there is no government in your example e.g. no police.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
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Lord Xar
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
in addition to the 20+ million illegal immigrants who now reside in this country and will be given amnesty, and then all the chain migration from that.. -- forget it. You are talking 70+ million new citizens that believe government SHOULD take care of them.

sophocles07
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
Who said No?

Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 04:58 PM
"Demobcrazy only works UNTIL the majority learns that it too can feed at the public trough."

dannno
06-20-2008, 04:59 PM
You are talking 70+ million new citizens that believe government SHOULD take care of them.

Whoa, I have to disagree with this. BIG time.

They are escaping their government, who was FORCED by US to revise an amendment to their constitution (which Mexicans fought and died over) when NAFTA was signed which threw hundreds of thousands of people off their once sustainable land and has also effectively doubled their poverty rate... but hey, at least Globalist Corporations can now freely rape their land and exploit the resulting cheap labor.

That doesn't mean we should just let them all in here and give them handouts, but to me their coming to this country is completely morally justified from their end. On top of that, I grew up in southern california in an area with very dense illegal populations and crime rate was ridiculously low and my impression is that they are generally very hard workers when they are given work do to.

They will also make work and survive on their own, but in another generation or two they will have forgotten how and we will have a major problem on our hands.

So ya, it's NAFTA and the neocons' fault.

Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
ORLY?

Well.... What about the DMV?

Huh??!?!

Who would provide you with a license if there were no gov't?
Insurance companies?

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
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MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:07 PM
I'm confused.

Didn't the poster Kludge just do a dramatic, attention seeking "I quit" post?

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:07 PM
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MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:08 PM
Insurance companies?

Hoppe.

;)

MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Let's let a dirty corporation concerned with nothing but profit

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And the envy train rolls right on down that track...

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:15 PM
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MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:18 PM
Life is short.

We shouldn't be concerned with profit.

Our days should consist of nothing but revelry as criminals (currently known as "producers"/"entrepreneurs") produce for us. We are entitled to it because people should love humanity and should therefor do good for us.

:rolleyes:

Danke
06-20-2008, 05:18 PM
I'm confused.

Didn't the poster Kludge just do a dramatic, attention seeking "I quit" post?

The real Kludge sold out for a tighty little profit. This guy is an obvious impostor.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:19 PM
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Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:20 PM
Oh yes! Wouldn't you free marketards just love that? Let's let a dirty corporation concerned with nothing but profit determine who can and can not drive on roads?


I can't afford insurance. My parents and siblings died of a terrible and painful illness and all my friends died bc George "Stalin" Bush. My car is old. I am sick and no one will pay for it but SURE, let's let those insurance companies deal with it.

You are a terrible human being who hates people because you can't get laid, TW!


Got laid again just last night! :D

I LOVE people, much more than the STATISTS ( like you ) EVER do! :p

Seems like insurance companies have a much higher customer satisfaction rate than the frickin' governments do. :rolleyes:

:p

forsmant
06-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Got laid again just last night! :D

I LOVE people, much more than the STATISTS ( like you ) EVER do! :p

Seems like insurance companies have a much higher customer satisfaction rate than the frickin' governments do. :rolleyes:

:p

Only when disaster strikes.

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:22 PM
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RideTheDirt
06-20-2008, 05:24 PM
Whoa, I have to disagree with this. BIG time.

They are escaping their government, who was FORCED by US to revise an amendment to their constitution (which Mexicans fought and died over) when NAFTA was signed which threw hundreds of thousands of people off their once sustainable land and has also effectively doubled their poverty rate... but hey, at least Globalist Corporations can now freely rape their land and exploit the resulting cheap labor.

That doesn't mean we should just let them all in here and give them handouts, but to me their coming to this country is completely morally justified from their end. On top of that, I grew up in southern california in an area with very dense illegal populations and crime rate was ridiculously low and my impression is that they are generally very hard workers when they are given work do to.

They will also make work and survive on their own, but in another generation or two they will have forgotten how and we will have a major problem on our hands.

So ya, it's NAFTA and the neocons' fault.
I currently live in southern California and it must have changed since you left.I do agree w/ you that Mexicans are hard workers in general, but I also believe a majority does not give a FUCK about our nation.The best example of this was a few years back when my whole town erupted in protest over a bill that was passed that would have made it a felony to hire illegals.Guess what?They repealed the law. The worst part about this was THEY ALL FLEW MEXICAN FLAGS and had signs that said Mexican pride, Fuck the USA, attacked me and about 50 other AMERICANS who were flying the AMERICAN flag and trying to convince them that they should be doing the same if they really wanted our help.Not only do they disrespect our country, I have heard many speak of attempting a coup in California.I don't know about you, but I will protect my land and country to the death.Not my government, but my country.

BTW they came at us with shotguns, hammers and bats. Luckily the Police showed up within 30 seconds.

forsmant
06-20-2008, 05:27 PM
I like the new avatar, Kludge. Linux is the ultimate spyware.

MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:28 PM
It is not "tighty little profit."

It is "TIDY little profit."

:p

Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:29 PM
I figured as much.
Ah creative posting. How about a link to that post of mine?

Not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you. :D

The main reason I detest socialism, aside from their idiotic collectivism, is their historic "body count".

"By their fruits, ye shall know them." ;)

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:30 PM
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Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:31 PM
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MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:31 PM
Not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you. :D

Smart. Very smart. ;)


The main reason I detest socialism, aside from their idiotic collectivism, is their historic "body count".

"By their fruits, ye shall know them." ;)

Indeed.

Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:37 PM
I DID link. I paraphrased, Paultard.
No you FAKED the quote. DUH! I know my words, that ain't them, Marxtard.

No link, then you're just a DESPICABLE, COWARDLY, BALD-FACED LIAR!!! :)

LibertyEagle
06-20-2008, 05:38 PM
What is up with you, Kludge?

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:39 PM
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Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
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Danke
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
What is up with you, Kludge?

Out of body experience?

james1844
06-20-2008, 05:41 PM
Out numbered and surrounded on all sides! You gotta love it.

dannno
06-20-2008, 05:41 PM
I currently live in southern California and it must have changed since you left.I do agree w/ you that Mexicans are hard workers in general, but I also believe a majority does not give a FUCK about our nation.The best example of this was a few years back when my whole town erupted in protest over a bill that was passed that would have made it a felony to hire illegals.Guess what?They repealed the law. The worst part about this was THEY ALL FLEW MEXICAN FLAGS and had signs that said Mexican pride, Fuck the USA, attacked me and about 50 other AMERICANS who were flying the AMERICAN flag and trying to convince them that they should be doing the same if they really wanted our help.Not only do they disrespect our country, I have heard many speak of attempting a coup in California.I don't know about you, but I will protect my land and country to the death.Not my government, but my country.

BTW they came at us with shotguns, hammers and bats. Luckily the Police showed up within 30 seconds.

I never left so cal, I still live in a latino dominant neighborhood, just further north than I used to.

I agree with your sentiment, but I also understand where they are coming from. After all, many of them KNOW that our government is responsible for their surge in poverty and this attitude is reflected across the population. Mexicans do have a lot of pride. That doesn't mean that me and you are responsible, but our government crippled their people and they are rightfully pissed. Then when they tried to start a revolution down near Chiapas, OUR military intervened and supported the Mexican government.

Our government screwed over their people first and foremost, we have to keep that in mind before saying they are all lazy, poor and just collecting government handouts.

I e-mailed the Ron Paul campaign over a year ago about this very issue. I was hearing a lot of great things from Ron Paul, but I hadn't heard him talk about immigration. I've been really scared the last few years about all these racist neocons on the radio trying to run the mexicans out of our country with hatred. I am white, and I understood the concept of "blowback", and I knew their stupid rants were not doing anybody any good.

Ron Paul's website was not clear, and I wanted to make sure that Ron Paul understood their situation as well. It turns out his stance was perfectly acceptable and I realized that he had a better vantage of this situation than ANY of the candidates. A lot of people who are anti-illegal have a hard time with Ron Paul because he doesn't want to round everybody up and throw them out of the country, he just doesn't want to encourage them to come here.

forsmant
06-20-2008, 05:41 PM
maybe he is bored.

LibertyEagle
06-20-2008, 05:42 PM
Your true colors coming out now, Kludge, or what?

Lord Xar
06-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Whoa, I have to disagree with this. BIG time.

They are escaping their government, who was FORCED by US to revise an amendment to their constitution (which Mexicans fought and died over) when NAFTA was signed which threw hundreds of thousands of people off their once sustainable land and has also effectively doubled their poverty rate... but hey, at least Globalist Corporations can now freely rape their land and exploit the resulting cheap labor.

That doesn't mean we should just let them all in here and give them handouts, but to me their coming to this country is completely morally justified from their end. On top of that, I grew up in southern california in an area with very dense illegal populations and crime rate was ridiculously low and my impression is that they are generally very hard workers when they are given work do to.

They will also make work and survive on their own, but in another generation or two they will have forgotten how and we will have a major problem on our hands.

So ya, it's NAFTA and the neocons' fault.

How interesting, I am also from Los Angeles and our crime rates are ridiculously high, imho. School system sucks and is overrun/overflowing with illegals - dozens of health centers/hospitals closing etc.. I never believed in "they are hard working" line of thinking - if you are making a living and supplying for your family, you are working hard, regardless of where you are from. Also, an american wanting a "fair" wage is not lazy.

Sounds like another apologist looking to make a point.

Also, the idea that tens of millions of new amnesty given citizens would want a big government monstrosity is also because that is the culture that is brewing in america. You set a new citizen in here, and that is the culture they will adopt. Given that (mostly from mexico) of these illegals are escaping a corrupt government into the loving arms of the lucky charms pot of gold, you sure as well bet there will be NO dissention to a socialistic environment. Shit, if they are doing abosolutely nothing to change their OWN government for the better, you sure as hell better understand they are just along for the ride in this one.

MsDoodahs
06-20-2008, 05:46 PM
I bought this account with my disability check to try and fix Wrong Paultards.

Nah, my guess is ...

He made his drama queen "I quit" post, then found that he couldn't resist coming back - because he's addicted to the forum.

Now, he's here claiming to be some other entity who bought the account from "the real Kludge" and he's going to push to get banned so he will be forced to stay away.

:)

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:47 PM
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Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:49 PM
Paraphrase - the restatement of a text or passage, using other words.


You fail. Obviously you were home-schooled or went to a private school system instead of our superior public schools.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paraphrase

Ah, that would explain your idiocy, dishonesty and total inadequacy. ;)

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:51 PM
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Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:52 PM
Please stop trying to change the subject.

Obama will bring us change from evil people like you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kludge

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:54 PM
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forsmant
06-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Every time I hear Obama talk I just want to shake him until he speaks coherently. He is real choppy and slow. I do not like him.

SnappleLlama
06-20-2008, 05:57 PM
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7329/wandacatsmallyq6.jpg

"I'M voting for Obama.....rrrrrowlll!"

Kludge
06-20-2008, 05:57 PM
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UnReconstructed
06-20-2008, 05:58 PM
lol at the one vote for no

Has to be an Obama supporter

Truth Warrior
06-20-2008, 05:59 PM
"a software or hardware configuration that, while inelegant, inefficient, clumsy, or patched together, succeeds in solving a specific problem or performing a particular task."

Umm.... Taxes?

Taxes solve our problems, even if some people try to resist. Obviously, you don't want humanity to succeed because you are selfish and absorbed into making a profit while screwing those who try to love you.
Taxes: Armed robbery at virtual gunpoint. Pay up or die! Your choice. :D

Please try to not LOVE me, quite so much Comrade! :p

forsmant
06-20-2008, 05:59 PM
No, I don't support any of his issues. He is retarded, and a Muslim, at least that is what a lot of people believe. My mother thinks he could be an alquida spy. Tee hee. Ignorance.

rprprs
06-20-2008, 06:17 PM
"Demobcrazy only works UNTIL the majority learns that it too can feed at the public trough."

Absolutely. And the numbers already feeding at the trough are astronomical. And it's not just illegal immigrants and welfare slouches. Social Security/SSI/Medicare recipients, government employees, teachers, doctors, the military, defense contractors, farmers, everybody who owes their job to a government grant.. the list goes on and on. We're not just outnumbered, we're cornered.

All that, and I STILL have hope.:)

HOLLYWOOD
06-20-2008, 06:26 PM
50 Million Americans...


I meant: 75 Million Americans

Bribed and Addicted to GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!

Indy Vidual
06-20-2008, 06:52 PM
Being outnumbered will make the victory more exciting.

pcosmar
06-20-2008, 07:16 PM
If we were not outnumbered we would not be the Remnant.

malkusm
06-20-2008, 07:27 PM
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."

-Mark Twain

Ogren
06-20-2008, 08:06 PM
Of course we are. The ignorant will always be the majority.

Danke
06-20-2008, 08:15 PM
lol at the one vote for no

Has to be an Obama supporter

We have three of them now.

Update. Holy crap 9 now!

Anti Federalist
06-20-2008, 10:55 PM
We are ridiculously outnumbered. We've conditionally trained our population to look to the Gov't when they need help.

It's a battle that I don't even begin to imagine I know how to fight against.

Fortunately we won't have to.

The "system" is unsustainable.

It will collapse of it's own weight.

The $64,000 question is:

Do we help push it over the edge, or stand by and watch?

crazyfacedjenkins
06-21-2008, 02:43 AM
I currently live in southern California and it must have changed since you left.I do agree w/ you that Mexicans are hard workers in general, but I also believe a majority does not give a FUCK about our nation.The best example of this was a few years back when my whole town erupted in protest over a bill that was passed that would have made it a felony to hire illegals.Guess what?They repealed the law. The worst part about this was THEY ALL FLEW MEXICAN FLAGS and had signs that said Mexican pride, Fuck the USA, attacked me and about 50 other AMERICANS who were flying the AMERICAN flag and trying to convince them that they should be doing the same if they really wanted our help.Not only do they disrespect our country, I have heard many speak of attempting a coup in California.I don't know about you, but I will protect my land and country to the death.Not my government, but my country.

BTW they came at us with shotguns, hammers and bats. Luckily the Police showed up within 30 seconds.

In all honesty, the US stole that fucking land from them. They're just taking back what was once their land. Just be happy they aren't doing what we did to them: pillage, rape, and murder. If you want to attack someone, rip Murdock out of his house and show him a thing or two.

crazyfacedjenkins
06-21-2008, 02:49 AM
How interesting, I am also from Los Angeles and our crime rates are ridiculously high, imho. School system sucks and is overrun/overflowing with illegals - dozens of health centers/hospitals closing etc.. I never believed in "they are hard working" line of thinking - if you are making a living and supplying for your family, you are working hard, regardless of where you are from. Also, an american wanting a "fair" wage is not lazy.

Sounds like another apologist looking to make a point.

Also, the idea that tens of millions of new amnesty given citizens would want a big government monstrosity is also because that is the culture that is brewing in america. You set a new citizen in here, and that is the culture they will adopt. Given that (mostly from mexico) of these illegals are escaping a corrupt government into the loving arms of the lucky charms pot of gold, you sure as well bet there will be NO dissention to a socialistic environment. Shit, if they are doing abosolutely nothing to change their OWN government for the better, you sure as hell better understand they are just along for the ride in this one.

Can you can make a general statement about people like that? Look at yourself, this country is fucked! Is it your fault?

Here we go, it's all these migrant workers causing all life's problems. Sounds a lot like Hitler talking about the Jews. You are really missing the forest for the trees here, you do realize Rupert Murdock pays zero in taxes?

"In 1999, The Economist reported that Newscorp Investments had made £1.4 billion ($2.1 billion) in profits over the previous 11 years but had paid no net corporation tax. "
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Criticism_and_controversy

hillbilly123069
06-21-2008, 03:00 AM
how much harder it will be to stop it(corrupt gov.) from taking the Constitution away from Us completely and getting it back if that would be at all possible. All in the name of protecting Us from Ourselves.And it will not be law enforcement patrolling Our streets and serving justice.It will be private security employed by corporations unaccountable.

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 04:41 AM
Fortunately we won't have to.

The "system" is unsustainable.

It will collapse of it's own weight.

The $64,000 question is:

Do we help push it over the edge, or stand by and watch?
Can you fricken' believe all of the naive and optimistic TITANIC deck chair re-arrangers and brass polishers here? :rolleyes:

;)

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 04:59 AM
50 Million Americans...


I meant: 75 Million Americans

Bribed and Addicted to GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!
PLUS ANOTHER 78 MILLION MORE boomers, very soon now, ADDITIONAL Soc Sec AND Medicare retirees, THAT VOTE!! :rolleyes:

The meltdown, may just be very interesting and even FUN to watch, however it turns out! :D

gilliganscorner
06-21-2008, 06:15 AM
Fortunately we won't have to.

The "system" is unsustainable.

It will collapse of it's own weight.

The $64,000 question is:

Do we help push it over the edge, or stand by and watch?

We have a winner. It will collapse. Just a matter of when. The Royal Bank of Scotland gives us three months (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/18/cmstockmarket18.xml). Of course we have to go to other countries media to see what is REALLY going on with our own. Our media is completely subverted.

What we MUST be doing working on setting up a trading network with each other using sound money - or anything two parties agree on as it is their freaking business. Personally I like gold or silver. I'll take copper too if others will accept it from me. That way:

1) You get to hold on to at least 50% of your labor by not reporting it for taxation.
2) Your purchasing power will not be stolen via inflation.
3) When the bad guy's system collapses, our trading system will continue to function.
4) You can hide from the bad guys in plain sight! It is a virtual Galt's gulch - those who have read Atlas Shrugged will understand.

If the system were centralized, the bad guys would will have to meet with other countries taxation departments to see where these servers are located and cooperate by raiding the business, arresting the owners, seize records, terrorize the participants, and ensure the media publicizes it. Canada's Financial "Intelligence" agency is already making noise about it, using that old standby of "terrorist" or "criminals" are using sites like e-Gold. I wrote an article on it (http://gilliganscorner.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/fintrac-declares-war-on-free-trade/)

By de-centralizing the system (a la BitTorrent or other P2P software) if the bad guys get one or two of us, however it doesn't shut the network down.

I could go on with other concepts, but I wanted to throw the line out there if folks like the idea and they'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends, and so on, and so on.:D

Alex Libman
06-21-2008, 06:53 AM
We are minuscule in quantity, superior in quality.

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 07:48 AM
We are minuscule in quantity, superior in quality. Doesn't mean too much, or anything actually, in a NUMBERS game! ;)

jmag
06-21-2008, 09:23 AM
I'm surrounded by those who think Obama is the best choice, but now that the (freedom/big gov) argument has had exposure, it's going to be interesting to see how they react now that Obama voted for telecom immunity and will go on eroding liberties and promoting the empire.

pcosmar
06-21-2008, 09:30 AM
Do we help push it over the edge, or stand by and watch?
Good question.
I am trying to educate those around me on the principals of Liberty.
I am expecting a crash and trying to avoid the shrapnel.

I see it as inevitable at this point.

SLSteven
06-21-2008, 11:00 AM
We cannot assume that a colapse of our financial system will somehow bring an improved state of affairs. It will more likely result in ever increasing crys for centralized regulation to abolish all of the "predatory lending" etc. We must continue to fight and hope that we can avoid a meltdown.

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 11:04 AM
Maybe at best it could generate Jefferson's desired additional Amendment, NO BORROWING BY GOVERNMENT, EVER!

SLSteven
06-21-2008, 11:11 AM
Maybe at best it could generate Jefferson's desired additional Amendment, NO BORROWING BY GOVERNMENT, EVER!

Can you imagine if we were required to have the funding in the bank before we could undertake a millitary action?

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 11:15 AM
Can you imagine if we were required to have the funding in the bank before we could undertake a millitary action? Or even required to take up collections door to door! :D

SLSteven
06-21-2008, 11:24 AM
Or even required to take up collections door to door! :D

The ones who are so gung-ho on reorganizing the Middle East should have to find the volunteer warriors and voluntary donations to implement their endeavor.

kirkblitz
06-21-2008, 11:25 AM
i dont know if we are outnumbered by people ACTUALLY recieveing it or people who WANT to recieve it.

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 11:30 AM
ALL government funding should come from ONLY those that want it and are willing to voluntarily pay for it ALL, themselves.<IMHO> ;)

Shorter version: "Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is!" :D

gilliganscorner
06-21-2008, 11:53 AM
Can you imagine if we were required to have the funding in the bank before we could undertake a millitary action?

That's why government hated the gold standard. If they ran out of money and couldn't print anymore, they had to extort more than they already did from the people. People would riot and lynch the leaders of the day.

Thus the adoption of a Central Bank and going off the gold standard. Now they steal it from us via inflation - something not 1 in 10,000 people understand how it works.

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 12:03 PM
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

wgadget
06-21-2008, 12:09 PM
I answered yes, but it's a QUALIFIED yes. First of all, it's also true that MOST PEOPLE are DISGUSTED with government to begin with--PLUS for us.

I believe that as soon as people UNDERSTAND that GOVERNMENT IS the PROBLEM, they come around, and that's when the angels in heaven start singing "Glory Hallelujah!"

Hehehe.

But it's true that most are government-dependent. Which gives us a GREAT OPPORTUNITY to educate the masses. They're definitely open to it.

MsDoodahs
06-21-2008, 12:11 PM
i dont know if we are outnumbered by people ACTUALLY recieveing it or people who WANT to recieve it.

I recall about two or three years ago, I saw some study on this and it indicated that we had tipped - at that time - beyond the "point of no return," so to speak, where 51% were recieving and 49% were not.

Once they gained the majority, the game was over.

MsDoodahs
06-21-2008, 12:12 PM
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

Another of my favorite quotes. :)

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 12:15 PM
Another of my favorite quotes. :) Mine too! ;)

Truth Warrior
06-21-2008, 12:19 PM
Oxymoron: Billionaire Liberal

Anti Federalist
06-21-2008, 03:39 PM
That's why government hated the gold standard. If they ran out of money and couldn't print anymore, they had to extort more than they already did from the people. People would riot and lynch the leaders of the day.

Thus the adoption of a Central Bank and going off the gold standard. Now they steal it from us via inflation - something not 1 in 10,000 people understand how it works.

And I can't figure out why that concept is so frickin' hard for the fluoridated brain soupers out there to understand.

I try it like this:

Let's say you owned a printing press that could print perfect bills.

Now, would you print up a ten million dollar batch, stuff it into a sack and go on a hog wild spending spree buying cars, yachts, mansions and private jets?

No, you wouldn't, because even if your bills were perfect, just your actions alone would be enough to raise suspicions, and you'd get busted pretty quickly.

Now, let's say that you slowly acquired these things by taking out loans to finance them.

Every month when the bills came due, you'd print up a small batch of money to pay them. Of course you're paying back real debt, that's bought real assets with nothing but "funny money" that has no value.

You could give a shit, the bank's getting burned, the manufacturers are getting hosed and your fellow citizens are going to pay for it the end with higher credit prices.

But hey, you don't care, possession is 9/10s of the law.

Well this is exactly what the fedreserve and fedgov does every single day, except that they aren't buying cars and yachts, which at least have some worth, they buy wars, invasions and police state surveillance grids.

This is one of the Mafia's biggest cash cows right now and it's called money laundering and counterfeiting, highly illegal for anyone but government to be involved in.

gilliganscorner
06-23-2008, 06:36 AM
And I can't figure out why that concept is so frickin' hard for the fluoridated brain soupers out there to understand.


The socialists have spent 100 years gaining control of government indoctrination camps we call "public education".

In Pro-State brainwashing, where did you EVER learn about the inflation tax? Christ, most "economists" will reject the theory of monetary inflation, how money is created and destroyed and who benefits from the process. Why is it not one economics department puts Rothbard/Mises on the curricula? Not one!

Public education is job training and passivity creation. They want to create good little hamsters that will unquestionably jump on the labour force/debt wheel so they can be hypnotized by our media to pursue the inane, vacuous, superficial pursuit of trinkets and bobbles. They have become so intoxicated by the pursuit of iPods, SUVs, granite countertops, ringtones, (insert whatever shit here), that they have forgotten the things that made them more than simple house pets:

Freedom, Prosperity, Sound Money, Limited Government, Limited Reliance, Free Markets, the State will care for us and feed us at the expense of liberty of others. You know, goodies like that.

Ugh. They DO outnumber us. As Hayek would say, we are well on our way to the Road to Serfdom.

As per design.

Delivered4000
06-23-2008, 07:22 AM
A man with courage is a majority

Truth Warrior
06-23-2008, 08:22 AM
The socialists have spent 100 years gaining control of government indoctrination camps we call "public education".

In Pro-State brainwashing, where did you EVER learn about the inflation tax? Christ, most "economists" will reject the theory of monetary inflation, how money is created and destroyed and who benefits from the process. Why is it not one economics department puts Rothbard/Mises on the curricula? Not one!

Public education is job training and passivity creation. They want to create good little hamsters that will unquestionably jump on the labour force/debt wheel so they can be hypnotized by our media to pursue the inane, vacuous, superficial pursuit of trinkets and bobbles. They have become so intoxicated by the pursuit of iPods, SUVs, granite countertops, ringtones, (insert whatever shit here), that they have forgotten the things that made them more than simple house pets:

Freedom, Prosperity, Sound Money, Limited Government, Limited Reliance, Free Markets, the State will care for us and feed us at the expense of liberty of others. You know, goodies like that.

Ugh. They DO outnumber us. As Hayek would say, we are well on our way to the Road to Serfdom.

As per design.
"And be sure not to forget to vote, every chance you get, for the candidates of your "free???" choice." :rolleyes: :p