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Geronimo
08-26-2007, 10:36 AM
Ron Paul on CSPAN or CSPAN 2 Sunday at 630 PM and again at 930 PM.

LibertyEagle
08-26-2007, 10:38 AM
Man, you're fast. You beat me to the punch. lol.

Spike Kojima
08-26-2007, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the heads-up.

Here are links to the streams for those (like myself) outside the U.S or those not near a T.V
CSPAN (http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS)

CSPAN 2 (http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2)

itsnobody
08-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Be sure to youtube

jj111
08-26-2007, 11:58 AM
It is scheduled to be on C-SPAN, NOT on C-SPAN2.

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

libertygrl
08-26-2007, 12:22 PM
Don't forgert FreedomFest 2007 as well:
Monday, August 27, at 2:00 AM
Saturday, September 1, at 3:20 PM*

About the Program:
A panel debated United States Foreign Policy at FreedomFest 2007. The panel included Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), Dinesh D'Souza, Larry Abraham, and Doug Casey.

http://www.booktv.org/schedule.aspx

devil21
08-26-2007, 02:17 PM
I think you misread it because I made the same mistake too. The show is at 9:30 Eastern time and 6:30 Pacific time. Same show, different time zones.

Roxi
08-26-2007, 02:25 PM
my local listing shows the name ron paul under road to the white house on cspan at 5:30 pm CST and 8:30 pm CST

devil21
08-26-2007, 03:06 PM
This was what I saw, bottom right corner.

http://www.campaignnetwork.org/

Maybe Im misreading it. I guess it could mean its airing twice but I read it to mean different time zones.

jj111
08-26-2007, 03:07 PM
I have it at 3:30pm PT and 6:30pm PT
which is
6:30pm ET and 9:30pm ET

jj111
08-26-2007, 03:09 PM
Don't forgert FreedomFest 2007 as well:
Monday, August 27, at 2:00 AM
Saturday, September 1, at 3:20 PM*

About the Program:
A panel debated United States Foreign Policy at FreedomFest 2007. The panel included Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), Dinesh D'Souza, Larry Abraham, and Doug Casey.

http://www.booktv.org/schedule.aspx

When was FreedomFest2007?

Is this a repeat broadcast of this from C-SPAN, or is this the first time they are broadcasting the FreedomFest panel?

yoshimaroka
08-26-2007, 04:46 PM
On right now:
http://www.c-span.org/watch/

paulaholic
08-26-2007, 04:50 PM
That was so stupid.

d'anconia
08-26-2007, 04:55 PM
YouTube anyone?

BLS
08-26-2007, 05:00 PM
Watching it right now.

0zzy
08-26-2007, 05:04 PM
crap, 5 minutes late! sstupid brent!

0zzy
08-26-2007, 05:06 PM
OMG Dennis' wife is way taller than him! hahaha. gorgeous lady.

and I completely missed Ron Paul's part.

paulaholic
08-26-2007, 05:06 PM
crap, 5 minutes late! sstupid brent!

You didn't miss anything.

rich34
08-26-2007, 05:09 PM
Yeah, cspan chooses to show Ron without his huge following to make it look as if he's what they call 2nd tier.

billm317
08-26-2007, 05:10 PM
You didn't miss anything.

It not even worth putting it up on youtube. It was just Ron Paul visiting a gun shop and a pharmacy. It was really dull.

fj45lvr
08-26-2007, 05:11 PM
Yeah, cspan chooses to show Ron without his huge following to make it look as if he's what they call 2nd tier.

totally noticed that ....makes you wonder what the deal is with that??

Kuccinich...had to turn it off after he said we had to leave hydrocarbons for solar and wind and PAY miners not to mine coal!!!! these guys are complete morons.

Lois
08-26-2007, 05:15 PM
Right now, on C-Span, Dennis Kucinich is talking to a crowd of about 20 people, with his wife standing beside him like a statue. You'd think she'd wear flats all the time, so as not to tower over him and look so conspicious.

devil21
08-26-2007, 05:16 PM
At least it did cover some of Ron's views so anyone who hasnt heard of him will know more about what he stands for. Not a total waste of time and certainly not negative.

Mr. White
08-26-2007, 05:17 PM
Good GOD Kucinich just said that healthcare is a fundamental RIGHT in a democratic society and that he will end FOR PROFIT healthcare.

*shudder*

Spike
08-26-2007, 05:18 PM
Good GOD Kucinich just said that healthcare is a fundamental RIGHT in a democratic society and that he will end FOR PROFIT healthcare.

*shudder*

What's wrong with that?

Mr. White
08-26-2007, 05:20 PM
What's wrong with that?

No one has a RIGHT to someone else's labor.

Lois
08-26-2007, 05:21 PM
Wait a minute -- Kucinich just said he's the "one candidate" who voted against the war from the beginning, voted against funding the war..."

ChristopherJ
08-26-2007, 05:23 PM
What's wrong with that?


You think good doctors will want to work in that situation? How many students do you think will choose medicine as a profession?

Spike
08-26-2007, 05:30 PM
You think good doctors will want to work in that situation? How many students do you think will choose medicine as a profession?

I don't know. I gotta ask some doctors. But, here in Canada, we have a non-for-profit health care system and the doctors here don't seemed to be pissed. Maybe they would like more competition which I'm fine with, but can't a person just get the basic treatments for free, or get perscription drugs at a discount price?

And what situtation are you exactly thinking of? A socialist one? I don't want a socialist health care system. Maybe the one we have in Canada is a socialist one, I have not looked into it, but I have gotten 2 surgeries in my life, never once paid for it. True, the system can be improved upon, no question. Maybe I'm just ingorant on this topic anf fail to see the implications of such a system, or maybe I'm more left-leaning, I don't know.

fj45lvr
08-26-2007, 05:31 PM
What's wrong with that?

It's kind of like car maintenance.....some guys just lay around, eat triple whoppers all the time while smoking 4 packs a day and downing a quart of whiskey...BUT it's our fundamental RIGHT to have to PAY for his medical care??? Most health care issues revolve around proper care and maintenance.... There's nothing wrong with a system where anyone with half a brain can buy MAJOR MEDICAL insurance...aren't you more than just a little bit sick and tired of bailing out people that make poor decisions (like NewOrleaners that didn't spend $50 a month for insurance?? or Banks making shaky home loans, etc. and etc.).

I think Paul correctly identifies a major problem now is that fact that the government has intervened in the system making it more expensive.

murph
08-26-2007, 05:38 PM
No big news to report on this one. I think the owner of the gun store talked about twice as much as RP did. One of the best moments was when they were talking about the SPP and the store owner said "I don't want the queen's picture on my money." At the drug store, RP got his picture taken with Katherine Albrecht, author of Spychips (http://www.spychips.com/). Clearly the people who were hanging around asking questions were well aware of the crap that we're fighting against. They knew what to ask (SPP, NAFTA, etc.)

RP looked kind of tired.

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-26-2007, 05:38 PM
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Spike
08-26-2007, 05:40 PM
It's kind of like car maintenance.....some guys just lay around, eat triple whoppers all the time while smoking 4 packs a day and downing a quart of whiskey...BUT it's our fundamental RIGHT to have to PAY for his medical care??? Most health care issues revolve around proper care and maintenance.... There's nothing wrong with a system where anyone with half a brain can buy MAJOR MEDICAL insurance...aren't you more than just a little bit sick and tired of bailing out people that make poor decisions (like NewOrleaners that didn't spend $50 a month for insurance?? or Banks making shaky home loans, etc. and etc.).

I think Paul correctly identifies a major problem now is that fact that the government has intervened in the system making it more expensive.

I look at it a bit differently. People pay for war, like the current one in Iraq, but is it our fundamental right to pay for war? If we can be taxed for war, why can't we be taxed to assist our neighbours when they need it most?

People get taxed to pay for roads, and bridges, for the betterment of human society. Now, I'm still on the fence about taxes, I want as little as possible. And if a national bank that doesn't create debt-based money can fund these type of programs then that's better. But is it wrong to collect taxes to build roads, or hosptials or anything just because a few nutcases in society aren't deserving of it.


Then again, I have not made my mind on this issue. I do agree with Dr. Paul's point that government drives up the cost and should stay out of our lives. AND he is a physican, so in the end, I'm probably gonna go with his word. I just come from a different philosophical upbringing about what society is, one that didn't pay much credence to individiualism.

ChristopherJ
08-26-2007, 05:46 PM
I don't know. I gotta ask some doctors. But, here in Canada, we have a non-for-profit health care system and the doctors here don't seemed to be pissed. Maybe they would like more competition which I'm fine with, but can't a person just get the basic treatments for free, or get perscription drugs at a discount price?

And what situtation are you exactly thinking of? A socialist one? I don't want a socialist health care system. Maybe the one we have in Canada is a socialist one, I have not looked into it, but I have gotten 2 surgeries in my life, never once paid for it. True, the system can be improved upon, no question. Maybe I'm just ingorant on this topic anf fail to see the implications of such a system, or maybe I'm more left-leaning, I don't know.

Anytime the government takes money from someone to distribute as they see fit it is socialist. The compitition is good because it makes the services people pay for cheaper and better. The reason health care costs have become out of control is because of government involvement.

I don't know much about the canadian health care system, but I've heard it can take weeks or even months if you need anything other than basic care. Is this true?

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-26-2007, 05:52 PM
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Spike
08-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Anytime the government takes money from someone to distribute as they see fit it is socialist. The compitition is good because it makes the services people pay for cheaper and better. The reason health care costs have become out of control is because of government involvement.

I don't know much about the canadian health care system, but I've heard it can take weeks or even months if you need anything other than basic care. Is this true?


Yea its true. I had to wait a couple of months to get a nose surgery. And I had to wait a couple of month's to get my eye surgery. But they were nothing serious so I didn't mind waiting. And I am starting to come around to the idea that the free market is a fix for anything, I just have to read more to fully accept that. But I remember Ron Paul saying about how the free market drives down cost, like in cell phones, and that this will be the same for the health care, and that makes sense. Since I am for alternative medicine, and I hate the FDA, more competition does make alot of sense. My beef is what if the poorest of the poor can't even afford the prices in that kind of system.

Mr. White
08-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Yea its true. I had to wait a couple of months to get a nose surgery. And I had to wait a couple of month's to get my eye surgery. But they were nothing serious so I didn't mind waiting. And I am starting to come around to the idea that the free market is a fix for anything, I just have to read more to fully accept that. But I remember Ron Paul saying about how the free market drives down cost, like in cell phones, and that this will be the same for the health care, and that makes sense. Since I am for alternative medicine, and I hate the FDA, more competition does make alot of sense. My beef is what if the poorest of the poor can't even afford the prices in that kind of system.

RP's response to that is the good nature of generous people will take over. They will ahve retained more of their money to give charitably. While this is no guarantee, I think it is reasonable.

On another note, I applaud your posting here, and speaking your beliefs. Don't let us lambast you into agreement. The only freedom anyone really has is figuring things out for himself.

ChristopherJ
08-26-2007, 06:00 PM
My beef is what if the poorest of the poor can't even afford the prices in that kind of system.

Charities can handle this type of thing much better than the government can. Doctors can also work out agreements with thier patients to pay over time or charge less or whatever they deem appropriate.

fj45lvr
08-26-2007, 06:02 PM
, why can't we be taxed to assist our neighbours when they need it most?

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Because it is THEFT....no one is stopping you from assisting your neighbor with his healthcare expenses are they???

I know several people that go to the emergency room whenever they are sick and have no insurance (because they choose not to) that has an effect on the market, don't you think?? If hospitals had the right to refuse service like a restaurant you'd see alot more people paying for insurance and the costs drop for medical care.

Geronimo
08-26-2007, 06:05 PM
http://www.libertyconspiracy.com/guests/ron_paul

If you scroll halfway down the above page, you'll be able to hear the entire phone interview that RP was seen giving on C-Span. The interview starts at about 7:18.

Spike
08-26-2007, 06:05 PM
RP's response to that is the good nature of generous people will take over. They will ahve retained more of their money to give charitably. While this is no guarantee, I think it is reasonable.

On another note, I applaud your posting here, and speaking your beliefs. Don't let us lambast you into agreement. The only freedom anyone really has is figuring things out for himself.

Oh yeah. He did talk about the church in the 50's and 60's stepping up to provide care.

I guess my whole beef from the start was when you said that a person doesnt have a fundamental right to health care. RP says we all have a right to life, and health care has to be a part of that. Now, I agree, that does not mean having the right to someone else's labor. And human charity, now that I think of it, is a better way of giving health care to the less needy than government is. After all, Americans are the most charitable people on the Earth.

Mr. White
08-26-2007, 06:16 PM
I think we try to be. The reason I'm in favor of that sort of charitable activity is that it's so much more efficient than anything the Federal Govt could possibly do. A church or individual sees someone suffering, they help them. No layers of beaurocrats squabbling for money as it filters its way through offices.

quickmike
08-26-2007, 07:51 PM
I don't know. I gotta ask some doctors. But, here in Canada, we have a non-for-profit health care system and the doctors here don't seemed to be pissed. Maybe they would like more competition which I'm fine with, but can't a person just get the basic treatments for free, or get perscription drugs at a discount price?

And what situtation are you exactly thinking of? A socialist one? I don't want a socialist health care system. Maybe the one we have in Canada is a socialist one, I have not looked into it, but I have gotten 2 surgeries in my life, never once paid for it. True, the system can be improved upon, no question. Maybe I'm just ingorant on this topic anf fail to see the implications of such a system, or maybe I'm more left-leaning, I don't know.

Well shit, why not just give everyone free food, and a new car, some weed if they want it, maybe a new puppy. I fail to see how healthcare is any different than any of these things when it comes to having a RIGHT to them. Maybe im just stoooopid.:cool:

ThePieSwindler
08-26-2007, 08:00 PM
What's wrong with that?

You must be new here.

BuddyRey
08-26-2007, 08:01 PM
Oh yeah. He did talk about the church in the 50's and 60's stepping up to provide care.

I guess my whole beef from the start was when you said that a person doesnt have a fundamental right to health care. RP says we all have a right to life, and health care has to be a part of that. Now, I agree, that does not mean having the right to someone else's labor. And human charity, now that I think of it, is a better way of giving health care to the less needy than government is. After all, Americans are the most charitable people on the Earth.

Agreed. I know we should frown on socialized medicine, but when conservatives say that people have no right to healthcare, it strikes me as needlessly callous. A legal right may not exist, but if rights come from our Creator, and Jesus urged us all to love our neighbours as ourselves, that to me is the only mandate that matters.

ThePieSwindler
08-26-2007, 08:05 PM
Yea its true. I had to wait a couple of months to get a nose surgery. And I had to wait a couple of month's to get my eye surgery. But they were nothing serious so I didn't mind waiting. And I am starting to come around to the idea that the free market is a fix for anything, I just have to read more to fully accept that. But I remember Ron Paul saying about how the free market drives down cost, like in cell phones, and that this will be the same for the health care, and that makes sense. Since I am for alternative medicine, and I hate the FDA, more competition does make alot of sense. My beef is what if the poorest of the poor can't even afford the prices in that kind of system.

And therein lies the problem. Sure, its not big deal to wait a few months when its not a huge issue. But what if oyu have cancer, and you need treatment ASAP? In britain, they have waiting lines over 6 months, and people are unable to be treated for cancer, and the cancer metastacises before they ever get treatment, but by then its too late. Yeah you dont mind waiting, but the person whos life is on the line might. At the very least, a system where there is private competition and alternatives must exist. But in that case, rather than tax to uphold a national health care system for the people who need it, why not just NOT tax THOSE people and give them tax credits so they can get the care WHEN THEY NEED IT. See my point? National health care sounds great but it is flawed on the whole. Sure, maybe you have some nice little anecdotes on how it worked fine for you. I have just as many nice little anecdotes about how ive gotten great care with no problems and no holdups with insurance companies here. Doesn't mean the system as a whole isnt fucked up.

paulaholic
08-26-2007, 08:06 PM
I take back my statements about the coverage being stupid. The pharmacy scenes gave a lot more insight into Dr. Paul's policy, personality and career than the part with those stupid rednecks at the gun store.

ThePieSwindler
08-26-2007, 08:07 PM
Agreed. I know we should frown on socialized medicine, but when conservatives say that people have no right to healthcare, it strikes me as needlessly callous. A legal right may not exist, but if rights come from our Creator, and Jesus urged us all to love our neighbours as ourselves, that to me is the only mandate that matters.

Yes but force (taxation) is not the way to give. Jesus commands US to care for others and care for the poor, he did not command government to do so. We must take the initiative to give to charities and not-for-profit charity hospitals (like the shriners). They can take in the sick and needy, and its fully voluntary. Its not that health care isnt a right, its that taking money from one to pay for the needs of another is not a right, because it is done through force, and coercion is the ultimate sin. Why do you think God gave humans free will? Because he did not want to coerce us to follow him because it would be meaningless, and would be essentially wrong.

MsDoodahs
08-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Well shit, why not just give everyone free food, and a new car, some weed if they want it, maybe a new puppy. I fail to see how healthcare is any different than any of these things when it comes to having a RIGHT to them. Maybe im just stoooopid.:cool:

you crack me up!

fj45lvr
08-26-2007, 08:30 PM
Agreed. I know we should frown on socialized medicine, but when conservatives say that people have no right to healthcare, it strikes me as needlessly callous. A legal right may not exist, but if rights come from our Creator, and Jesus urged us all to love our neighbours as ourselves, that to me is the only mandate that matters.

I don't feel at all callous towards not wanting to have to contribute to paying for druggies, illegals, and other stupid peoples poor decisions (after they blew whatever income they had on beer, cigs, and who knows what)....thats not at all callous....

No one is preventing you or most other dems to pay as much as you want to...but alas, in reality what these people want is actually for the wealthy to pay for most all of it!!!

Check into medical savings accounts...there are lots of options already out there than wanting everyone else to have to pay (I know that some people go to the doctor constantly and without really any good reason...lol).

Thom1776
08-26-2007, 08:40 PM
What if doctors and all other people in the health care field were paid an annual salary by the government to make sure that citizens stayed healthy? They'd get paid a nice salary, but they couldn't profit by performing more and complicated procedures. On the contrary, they'd get bonuses for helping people in their community remain well.

The mindset would have to change from that of; "becoming a doctor to get rich". I'd like to see people become doctors, so that they help people when they are sick or injured because they care about their fellow human being, not because they see huge profits in it.

In Indian tribes, there was the medicine man. He took care of other members of the tribe when they were sick or injured. He was highly esteemed and well taken care of by the rest of the tribe because his role was so important. He wouldn't make a sick tribe member pay him a hefty sum for treatment. He did what he did because it was his role in the tribe.

We'd also have to change the way the FDA and Big Pharma monopolize medicine and allow people to use natural and alternative medicines and treatments. Then there is the cancer scam. We have to stop the suppression of all the cures for cancer that have come along over the years.

Then, health care wouldn't be such a big issue.

quickmike
08-26-2007, 08:44 PM
you crack me up!

Yeah, even when im trying to be serious, I end up making a joke most of the time;)

Man from La Mancha
08-26-2007, 08:55 PM
Get rid of all licensing of doctors and dentist, and let any doctor administer what ever treatment they want and get rid of the FDA. Then you will see people getting healed cheaply and better than today. Just open the doors to all the alternative treatments. There will will always be private organizations like Consumer report that will rate what and whom works best. The licensing program just closes any door on competition. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO EXPENSIVE NOW.

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quickmike
08-26-2007, 09:12 PM
Get rid of all licensing of doctors and dentist, and let any doctor administer what ever treatment they want and get rid of the FDA. Then you will see people getting healed cheaply and better than today. Just open the doors to all the alternative treatments. There will will always be private organizations like Consumer report that will rate what and whom works best. The licensing program just closes any door on competition. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO EXPENSIVE NOW.

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Precisely !!!

Then you would have people say "Hey, I dont want any idiot off the street sticking a thermometer up my ass!!" Fair enough, but what they dont realize is that nobody is forcing them to go to that guy off the street. Nothing wrong with licensing doctors if they want to be part of it. They can have their old fashioned licensing like they have now, AND have the free market system simultaneously competing with them. The same way they do in construction. They have non union construction companies and union construction companies. You can get a non union company to build your house cheaper and done just as good or better than a union company if you just find a reputable one. They have reputations to think about when building your house. Do people think they would last very long if they did a crap job of putting your roof on? No way, word would get around and you would be out of business before the ink dried on the contract of the first homeowner he screwed over.

The same way UL (Underwriters Laboratories) has a high reputation for electronics. They arent government controlled, yet they do just fine filtering out garbage thats not safe. Same with Ebay and its feedback rating system. Just a few good examples of how the free market works to protect consumers better than a bloated governemnt and spends ZERO tax dollars in the process.

Man from La Mancha
08-26-2007, 09:28 PM
Very well said quickmike. How did you get that name? Something your wife calls you?:D .

quickmike
08-26-2007, 09:30 PM
Very well said quickmike. How did you get that name? Something your wife calls you?:D .

She doesnt call me "minuteman" for nothing:D

Actually its my first and last name switched around.

devil21
08-27-2007, 02:16 AM
She doesnt call me "minuteman" for nothing:D

Actually its my first and last name switched around.

Are you the old NFL player? lol jk