I understand hatred of McCain, but...

[Adharcan]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

[crazyfingers]

How is McCain any better on limited government and respect for the Constitution?

For the record I dislike them both equally.

[Black Dude]

at least obama won't take us to war with Iran.

wait, nevermind

[Jeremy]

Which is why I will obviously not vote for Obama. And it's the same reason I won't vote for McCain. More than two people are running for president... I don't bow down to party politics

[brandon]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

No, it is actually the other way around. There is no difference between Obama and McCain. We should be doing everything possible to make McCain lose. After McCain loses our message of constitutional government will be the ideology that rescues the republican party. However, if McCain wins, the establishment republicans (neocons) are just going to do more of the same for at least another decade.

[Anti Federalist]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

What makes you think McPain has any more respect for the Constitution than Obama does?

Both prostrated themselves before AIPAC and pledged to the lobbying arm of a foreign government that the US would do whatever it needed to do to support that government, even to the detriment of the constitution or the interests of the American people.

Both are equally bad, for slightly different reasons.

Blue State Communism or Red State Fascism.

Pick your poison.

[yongrel]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/SiskoAnimated.gif

[Rangeley]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

They would do everything they could to stop anyone who has an utter disrespect for the constitution, would expand government, would lead us into needless wars, and would further erode our civil liberties. Its not just Obama thats the problem.

[LibertyEagle]

at least obama won't take us to war with Iran.

wait, nevermind

LOLOLOL :D

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/SiskoAnimated.gif

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2013/1196879698148iv1.jpg

[countrykidz4freedom]

at least obama won't take us to war with Iran.

Better check his bills more closely-he does support the war, just not as openly. Also he will tax us more heavily and force us to use his universal health care plan-bad news, forced vaccines, you name it-basically more enslavement! Make no mistake, Obama is not for the people-He is in on the council of foreign relations also, so he is still one of the plan toward NWO-I wouldn't vote Obama if he were the last person to vote for, even if I was given a million bucks to do it!!!

A vote for McCain is more of Bush and also continues the march toward a police state-refuse and reject them both-continue educating people of what they really stand for. We must do this for the sake or our conscience.

[Akus]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/SiskoAnimated.gif

somebody seriously needs to find the same face expression, only with Ron Paul himself...

[Akus]

Better check his bills more closely-he does support the war, just not as openly. Also he will tax us more heavily and force us to use his universal health care plan-bad news, forced vaccines, you name it-basically more enslavement! Make no mistake, Obama is not for the people-He is in on the council of foreign relations also, so he is still one of the plan toward NWO-I wouldn't vote Obama if he were the last person to vote for, even if I was given a million bucks to do it!!!

you didn't read his whole post did you? He knows Obama will take us to Iran....

[yongrel]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/13/mccain_palm.jpg

[torchbearer]

It's actually better in two ways for Obama to win...
A vote of no confidence in the GOP and the NeoCon leadership... opens up ops for us to take over...
And two- We need this downfall of our country to happen quickly, Obama's socialism will provide that pressure.

Plus, it will leave the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012 an open race.

[SnappleLlama]

McCainpalm FTW!

[itshappening]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/SiskoAnimated.gif

love it

[Akus]

It's actually better in two ways for Obama to win...
A vote of no confidence in the GOP and the NeoCon leadership... opens up ops for us to take over...
And two- We need this downfall of our country to happen quickly, Obama's socialism will provide that pressure.

Plus, it will leave the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012 an open race.

but neo conservatism is not about a particular party. They can manage so that Obama can start so many wars, people will actually start missing Bush. This is why thinking that a Democrat will help solve things is simplistic and naive.

[J Free]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

If McCain wins the election, it will become impossible for any Republican to oppose amnesty, loss of sovereignty to multiglobal institutions, global warming nonsense, mushy RINO judges who will uphold McCain-Feingold, and all the other stuff McCain plans to do --- because the GOP establishment will clamp down and call any such internal party dissent "disloyal", "racist", or other nonsense. Just as it has been for these Bush years.

If Obama wins, Republicans will finally be able to speak up for Republican principles --- and clearly and cleanly oppose 99% of what Obama does. And we will be able to force the RINO's in Congress to either become Republican or become unemployed. And a McCain loss will seriously destroy the credibility of the establishment wing of the GOP that has doen so much damage to both the party and the country.

Neither are worth my vote. But IMO a McCain loss is entirely acceptable.

[sophocles07]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

No, not in the way you mean.

McCain~Obama

[torchbearer]

If McCain wins the election, it will become impossible for any Republican to oppose amnesty, loss of sovereignty to multiglobal institutions, global warming nonsense, mushy RINO judges who will uphold McCain-Feingold, and all the other stuff McCain plans to do --- because the GOP establishment will clamp down and call any such internal party dissent "disloyal", "racist", or other nonsense. Just as it has been for these Bush years.

If Obama wins, Republicans will finally be able to speak up for Republican principles --- and clearly and cleanly oppose 99% of what Obama does. And we will be able to force the RINO's in Congress to either become Republican or become unemployed. And a McCain loss will seriously destroy the credibility of the establishment wing of the GOP that has doen so much damage to both the party and the country.

Neither are worth my vote. But IMO a McCain loss is entirely acceptable.

Akus is indeed the naive of this thread.
This is very simple concepts.
Of course Obama is the worst of the two, and of course, he will take the neocon agenda and run wild with it.
That's the whole point.... people need a full does of socialism to get the taste of slavery...
The GOP leadership as of today needs to be crushed in every race. There are reasons this is good for the future of our country.
Short term relief is nil.

[Akus]

Akus is indeed the naive of this thread.

Guy, stop. I've abandoned the big two long ass time ago. And it doesn't matter who wins. Obama and McCain are NO different. Get this through your head. Why do you think McCain is so unpopular in the GOP rank and file? Because he rubs shoulders with liberals all the time. He has burned every bridge there is to burn. Borders, campaign rules, guns, taxes, you name it. Obama or McCain there will be socialism.

[Anti Federalist]

Akus is indeed the naive of this thread.
This is very simple concepts.
Of course Obama is the worst of the two, and of course, he will take the neocon agenda and run wild with it.
That's the whole point.... people need a full does of socialism to get the taste of slavery...
The GOP leadership as of today needs to be crushed in every race. There are reasons this is good for the future of our country.
Short term relief is nil.

QFT

Worse is Better at this point.

[torchbearer]

Guy, stop. I've abandoned the big two long ass time ago. And it doesn't matter who wins. Obama and McCain are NO different. Get this through your head. Why do you think McCain is so unpopular in the GOP rank and file? Because he rubs shoulders with liberals all the time. He has burned every bridge there is to burn. Borders, campaign rules, guns, taxes, you name it. Obama or McCain there will be socialism.

I agree, they are the same on policies. We've already state this several time.
Its about party politics. You really are not getting this are you...
If McCain wins.. the NeoCon leadership in our parties are validate and the GOP stays Democratic Party part 2.
The Neocon candidates lose across the board... the leadership falls out of favor and we have a chance to take it over.
Its not about the candidates, they are the same. Its about positioning ourselves for a take over.

[enjerth]

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[pcosmar]

Burn, baby burn.
We will sweep away the ashes and rebuild on the Constitution.

[Fyretrohl]

I vote my conscience. I vote FOR a candidate. Obama does not deserve my vote, so quit using him to justify any other vote. McCain does not deserve my vote either. So, he will not get it either.

[Akus]

I agree, they are the same on policies. We've already state this several time.
Its about party politics. You really are not getting this are you...
If McCain wins.. the NeoCon leadership in our parties are validate and the GOP stays Democratic Party part 2.
The Neocon candidates lose across the board... the leadership falls out of favor and we have a chance to take it over.
Its not about the candidates, they are the same. Its about positioning ourselves for a take over.

Yeah and if Obama wins then the next Republican candidate will be nothing but a GOP version of John Kerry. No substance and bashing the Democrat guy, but in reality just pandering to say what he feels you want to hear. As much as I believe Obama will win this, it doesn't matter who wins this fall.

[FrankRep]

... if people here care at all about Dr. Paul's message of limited government and respect for the constitution, wouldn't they do everything they can to stop Obama?

Stop both of them.