I'm voting Republican!

[electronicmaji]

http://imvotingrepublican.com/

[AutoDas]

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a socialist. We want change, no pesos! We like to tell what people can do with their own property. We like the FDA interfering with health technology and advancements so its costs are out of reach of the poor. We want mediocre education because no one is smarter than anyone else.

[Uriel999]

"if people want clean water, just buy it in a bottle." alright that was fucking hilarious....oh and electronicmaji your a shill. :D I havn't been around this site long, but I think perhaps you belong on an Obama webforum promising "HOPE" and "CHANGE" all in caps just like that no matter what the hell "CHANGE" actually is. If I vote Democrat this year its for Andrew Jackson, but thats the only way I am voting Democrat.

[Uriel999]

oh and you deserve this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O--uGzo34N4

Actually thats just funny, I just wanted an excuse to link this clip

[electronicmaji]

You guys bash Democrats so much I'm up for equal opportunity bashing ;)

[AutoDas]

All you did was post a link.

[Fox McCloud]

If I vote Democrat this year its for Andrew Jackson, but thats the only way I am voting Democrat.

if I recall, he was a Democratic-Republican, like Thomas Jefferson...which was, in essence the modern-day equal of the Constitution Party mixed in with a lot of the Libertarian Party.

[revolutionary8]

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a socialist. We want change, no pesos! We like to tell what people can do with their own property. We like the FDA interfering with health technology and advancements so its costs are out of reach of the poor. We want mediocre education because no one is smarter than anyone else.

Go China. :D

[rpfan2008]

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a socialist.

So why your profile says

Biography:
libertarian
Location:
WA
Interests:
freedom of markets and currencies

then

We like the FDA interfering with health technology and
http://www.whale.to/

and

We want mediocre education because no one is smarter than anyone else

-speechless-

[AutoDas]

No one can take a joke.

[Kade]

So why your profile says


then

http://www.whale.to/

and


-speechless-

Nobody believes 100% in an anarchist market, unless they are mentally deficient.

Some rational people believe in a mixed economy, it is still a free market, and usually excludes the sort of odd-ball corporate welfare and subsidies advocated by the clown-laden right of center libertarians.

[Kludge]

Nobody believes 100% in an anarchist market, unless they are mentally deficient.

Durrr.... I know you are, but what am I?

[Fox McCloud]

Nobody believes 100% in an anarchist market, unless they are mentally deficient.

Some rational people believe in a mixed economy, it is still a free market, and usually excludes the sort of odd-ball corporate welfare and subsidies advocated by the clown-laden right of center libertarians.

I guess Murray Rothbard, a number at the Ludwig von Mises institute are mentally deficient then :rolleyes:

I don't believe in Anarcho-capitalism, I'll admit, but I do believe in 100% economic freedom (I'm a bit skeptical on some social freedoms).

A mixed economy is not a free market--just because you remove subsidies and lower taxes does not automatically make things hunky dory; we must abolish things like the FCC, FDA, EPA, DoE, Federal Reserve, etc to have a true Free Market.

what's up with the sudden neo-liberalization of Ron Paul Forums?

[Kludge]

what's up with the sudden neo-liberalization of Ron Paul Forums?

Kade has been here forever. I think Mike Gravel turned a lot of people on to his oddball form of "libertarianism", but yeh know... Mike Gravel, so... yeah... >.>

[Kade]

I guess Murray Rothbard, a number at the Ludwig von Mises institute are mentally deficient then :rolleyes:

I don't believe in Anarcho-capitalism, I'll admit, but I do believe in 100% economic freedom (I'm a bit skeptical on some social freedoms).

A mixed economy is not a free market--just because you remove subsidies and lower taxes does not automatically make things hunky dory; we must abolish things like the FCC, FDA, EPA, DoE, Federal Reserve, etc to have a true Free Market.

what's up with the sudden neo-liberalization of Ron Paul Forums?

Skeptical of social freedoms, but pure economic freedoms?

That is basically neo-conservatism.

I also don't need to be stuck in whatever convenient "Two Minute Hate" session is the flavor of the week.

Stick with one insult.

You can start here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=141335

[Kade]

Kade has been here forever. I think Mike Gravel turned a lot of people on to his oddball form of "libertarianism", but yeh know... Mike Gravel, so... yeah... >.>

Mike Gravel?!

Where do you get this stuff... I was here before the Iowa caucuses... when Gravel was still standing near lakes with a pipedream and... a pipe.

[Kludge]

Skeptical of social freedoms, but pure economic freedoms?

That is basically neo-conservatism.

No... That would make Fox a Fiscal Conservative. Only libertarians seek pure economic and social freedoms.

[Kludge]

Mike Gravel?!

Where do you get this stuff... I was here before the Iowa caucuses... when Gravel was still standing near lakes with a pipedream and... a pipe.

That's why I made a special note of you, saying "Kade has been here forever", which, by my admittedly irrational rationale means that you have been here before Mike Gravel tried hijacking the LP.

[Kade]

I guess Murray Rothbard, a number at the Ludwig von Mises institute are mentally deficient then :rolleyes:

I don't believe in Anarcho-capitalism, I'll admit, but I do believe in 100% economic freedom (I'm a bit skeptical on some social freedoms).

A mixed economy is not a free market--just because you remove subsidies and lower taxes does not automatically make things hunky dory; we must abolish things like the FCC, FDA, EPA, DoE, Federal Reserve, etc to have a true Free Market.

what's up with the sudden neo-liberalization of Ron Paul Forums?

Actually, I do have a strong dislike of Rothbard, mostly based on the energy I spent on a philosophical critique in college.

[Kade]

No... That would make Fox a Fiscal Conservative. Only libertarians seek pure economic and social freedoms.

Funny you should mention Fox... I watched their new program the other night, Fox Business, and I literally felt like I was watching an infotainment commercial for Oxyclean, except it wasn't entertaining, and the commercials were actually the content itself... it was bad.

Apparently, Hybrid Cars cause deaths, and so do low cost gas.

So buy behemoth Escalades and cheer for higher prices!

[Kade]

if I recall, he was a Democratic-Republican, like Thomas Jefferson...which was, in essence the modern-day equal of the Constitution Party mixed in with a lot of the Libertarian Party.

Jefferson was a libertarian democrat.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a socialist. We want change, no pesos! We like to tell what people can do with their own property. We like the FDA interfering with health technology and advancements so its costs are out of reach of the poor. We want mediocre education because no one is smarter than anyone else.

Good for you, AutoDas. Keep up the good work and perhaps one day you will learn to be serious.

[IRO-bot]

Good for you, AutoDas. Keep up the good work and perhaps one day you will learn to be serious.

Does nobody understand sarcasm anymore? Or Satire? Or humor?

Come on Uncle. I expect more from you.

[Fox McCloud]

No... That would make Fox a Fiscal Conservative. Only libertarians seek pure economic and social freedoms.

I'm for 100% economic freedom, but about 90% social freedom.

I oppose things like the patriot act, this war, the drug war, the war on poverty, etc, etc, but there's a few things that I'm skeptical of...I'm still a Libertarian, I just hold economic freedoms a little more dearly than social freedoms.


Funny you should mention Fox... I watched their new program the other night, Fox Business, and I literally felt like I was watching an infotainment commercial for Oxyclean, except it wasn't entertaining, and the commercials were actually the content itself... it was bad.

Apparently, Hybrid Cars cause deaths, and so do low cost gas.

So buy behemoth Escalades and cheer for higher prices!

he was referring to me, not Fox News :rolleyes: so your little cut here is totally irrelevant. As for hybrids, and such...I have no problem with them, I just can't justify their very high prices (I want a car that'll last 1,000,000 miles without me doing anything major to it)...some have said that you never break even with them, once you factor in the extra maintenance, replacing the battery, etc.

High gas prices? Currency issue, and I'm definitely not for high gas prices and want to fix the issue, by abolishing the Fed---as for people who buy big SUV's? So what? That's their choice to make, and they pay the consequences.


Jefferson was a libertarian democrat.

He was a Democratic-Republican, not a Democrat, though the party eventually split into two and one side became the modern-day Democrats.

[electronicmaji]

And I've been here from before Iowa as well ;)

[zombieapokalypse]

Well, we're faced with the choice between either a socialist or a mean-spirited warmonger with an anger problem whom even other Republicans despise.

I personally would rather vote for Obama. Why? At least socialism means well.

The Neocon *cough* sorry... Republican party, at this point, is akin to voting for Hitler himself. Fascist scum.

[Fox McCloud]

Why? At least socialism means well.

it means well, but that's not the end result--see "The Creature from Jekyll Island".

[electronicmaji]

it means well, but that's not the end result--see "The Creature from Jekyll Island".

But compare it to the neocons not meaning well.....

[Fox McCloud]

But compare it to the neocons not meaning well.....

same thing will happen--they're both collectivists at the end of the day, it's just who they're collectivists for.

[electronicmaji]

same thing will happen--they're both collectivists at the end of the day, it's just who they're collectivists for.

There will always be a better thing. Even if you dont vote for the lesser evil one evil will still win.

[V-rod]

Jefferson was a libertarian democrat.

LoL, Jefferson was an anti-federalist. That is pretty much the opposite of the typical liberal democrat of today.

[DamianTV]

http://imvotingrepublican.com/

Rofl! (yes the video is a satire and not to be taken too seriously...)

[Kludge]

Rofl! (yes the video is a satire and not to be taken too seriously...)

Unfortunately, people do :rolleyes:

[revolutionary8]

No one can take a joke.

Hey wait, I took a joke. :(
:D
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=142393

[Kade]

He was a Democratic-Republican, not a Democrat, though the party eventually split into two and one side became the modern-day Democrats.

I'm very well aware of what the "proper" understanding is...

By every definition of what a libertarian democrat is, Jefferson was..

A libertarian Democrat is is indeed anti-federalist... with the exception to human rights and freedoms, which LDs believe should be imposed at the top level...

This is not in anyway contradictory to Thomas Jefferson, and I consider it a rolling insult to even suggest otherwise.

http://www.democraticfreedomcaucus.org/dfc-platform/





Also, not that it is entirely valid, but the Libertarian Democrat Wikipedia entry also lists Thomas Jefferson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Democrat