CNN College Girl (Emailed the Democrat)

[0zzy]

After watching the CNN video yesterday (WATCH HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xg22Fr6i-I)) I decided to email the democratic representative.


Rachel Moore,

I happen to stumble on your appearance on CNN today via YouTube (watch here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xg22Fr6i-I)) and wanted to give you an email regarding this video. I didn't really respect your strategy of, "It doesn’t really matter who gets the ticket because anybody could be a better president than President Bush at this point." While I agree with you, president Bush doesn't, and can't, get the Republican nomination. So, yes, it does matter because the democrats aren't running against Bush.

Then you came up with your second "point" on why people should vote for Democrats.

"I mean, the Democrats are such a diverse group. And all the Republican candidates, every one of them have said they would commute Scooter Libby. They said that they would stay in Iraq and turn it into the next Korea. And all of the Republican candidates –"

You stated false information in this quote. All the Republicans have NOT said they would commute with Scooter Libby and, more importantly, all of the Republicans have NOT said they would stay in Iraq. I don't know if you were able to hear the Republican college student (although you can watch the video now) but Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has NEVER supported the war in Iraq (as opposed to democratic "front-runners" John Edwards and Hilary Clinton). In fact, he's the only one, to my knowledge, talking about pulling troops out of Korea (Republican or Democrat).

So, please, next time you talk to the public become informed and learn how to articulately explain your decision. You also said "Democrats are a diverse group," but never stated why they were. When the reporters asked you to pick the most important issue you listed a few things then stated said, "...We’re so educated and ready to go." Once again you didn't articulate a specific issue. Of course there are several topics that need to be discussed, but you had less than a minute. It would have been better to have one issue and explain what you wanted changed with it.

I just thought I would try to help you so the next time you end up in the public eye you can articulate your positions better. Democracy is great; debate is healthy. The only way you can persuade someone is to educate them when you have a chance. When you make false and blanket statements it has little to no effect and when little, only negative.

-Brent Burk

Her response



Mr Burk,

The beauty of America is that you're entitled to your own opinions and to share them with whomever you please. Though we wholly differ on our perceptions of politics and how partisan messages are disseminated, I appreciate your caring enough to voice yours.

Respectfully,

Rachel Moore

[Slugg]

To summarize, you said, "Listen you stupid girl; you need to pay attention to whats going on and stop being a bandwagon cheerleader!"

Her response?

"You can say that if you want to, but my friends have told me otherwise."

[Brasil Branco]

I thought it was a polite response.

[Slugg]

I thought it was a polite response.

It was, I was just goofin' :p

[ThePieSwindler]

I thought it was a polite response.

Sure it was polite. It also highlights how she lacks any sort of critical thinking skills. That combine with a polite response and a respectful disagreement without any sort of backing up of ones position is the most annoyng shit ever. She was challenged, and rather than actually discuss anything, (especially when she was being ignorant and almost conceited about it) she just blows it off with a nice "polite" response.

[lucius]

To summarize, you said, "Listen to stupid girl; you need to pay attention to whats going on and stop being a bandwagon cheerleader!"

Her response?

"You can say that if you want to, but my friends have told me otherwise."

Dead on!

[0zzy]

Sure it was polite. It also highlights how she lacks any sort of critical thinking skills. That combine with a polite response and a respectful disagreement without any sort of backing up of ones position is the most annoyng shit ever. She was challenged, and rather than actually discuss anything, (especially when she was being ignorant and almost conceited about it) she just blows it off with a nice "polite" response.

So you're saying, what I pointed out what she did poorly, she basically repeated it?

"You stated false and blanket statements that weren't backed up with any support. Here's why I think that..."
"I respectfully disagree."

[Delivered4000]

Korea?

[cjhowe]

You might want to ask her why she is interested in partisan messages.

[Delivered4000]

People like Rachel scare the hell out of me.

[Mr. White]

She gave a polite, meaningless response. She WILL make a ... senator someday
She may now be aware of the facts she mis-stated, but will not acknowledge them to you.

Your letter struck me as very condescending, but I applaud your motivation to write it and appreciate your posting it here with her response.

[Slugg]

So you're saying, what I pointed out what she did poorly, she basically repeated it?

"You stated false and blanket statements that weren't backed up with any support. Here's why I think that..."
"I respectfully disagree."

No, he's saying that when given the opportunity to respond, she 'polity disagreed.' he's calling that a cop-out. Instead of debating, she retreated.

[0zzy]

No, he's saying that when given the opportunity to respond, she 'polity disagreed.' he's calling that a cop-out. Instead of debating, she retreated.

Oh. :)

[0zzy]

She gave a polite, meaningless response. She WILL make a ... senator someday
She may now be aware of the facts she mis-stated, but will not acknowledge them to you.

Your letter struck me as very condescending, but I applaud your motivation to write it and appreciate your posting it here with her response.

condescending, I didn't mean to sound like that. :[

Just dislike it when people make false and blanket statements with nothing to back it up.

[Omnis]

She's a socialist. She seems to me like a Hillary Jr.

[kalami]

"Obama is so fresh. He's about bringing people together."

It's pretty funny that I've actually heard these same responses, verbatim, from several different people.

[0zzy]

"Obama is so fresh. He's about bringing people together."

It's pretty funny that I've actually heard these same responses, verbatim, from several different people.

Not as much as Ron Paul :).

But he is for transparency and (sorta) going back to the constitution. But I'm a small government type of guy.

[angelatc]

Obama is a product of the Chicago Democratic machine. He has to be young and inexperienced because otherwise the corruption baggage would bury him. I am sure he's a nice guy, but I would be willing to bet there are some powerful forces pulling his strings. Democrats don't even generally support Chicago Democratic politics.

Politics are very corupt here. It amazes me how much the locals just consider payola and fraud a legitimate part of the game.

I'm not involved in politics aside from Confressman Paul's run for office, but I think people are pretty naive if they think Obama is clean because he's clean. He's clean because he's young.

[PennCustom4RP]

Ms Moore opted not to debate this issue, because in her mind, there is no issue, shes a Democrat, and will vote this way. I am surprised that she responded to this email at all. I too have some female friends, that regardless of what you put in front of them in way of facts, they do not want to hear it. They are Democrats, women, and voting for the woman, Hillary. Nothing can be done to persuade them otherwise. Just move on.

[speciallyblend]

Ron Paul is more anti war then all the democrats,hell the democrats ran the last election on anti war and then did nothing.Ron Paul is the only anti war candidate the rest are posers. Rachel you make me embarassed to have everbeen a democrat,shakin my head,this country is screwed because of people like rachel she would be better of in venezula;)

[TheConstitutionLives]

To summarize, you said, "Listen you stupid girl; you need to pay attention to whats going on and stop being a bandwagon cheerleader!"

Her response?

"You can say that if you want to, but my friends have told me otherwise."

Totally!

"Daddy says democrats are good and republicans are bad. That's all I know."

[MsDoodahs]

Oh, I know I'll probably catch hell for saying this but the fact is, women evolved to want PROTECTION and SECURITY.

Toss in the "women's movement" and the destruction of the family.

Now, women don't look to men to provide that protection and security.

Women look to the state to provide it.

Nothing anyone says will change their mind on voting for whichever candidate they believe offers them the most protection and security. They either don't realize that it comes at the price of their liberty, or they realize it and do not give a shit. As I've read..."slaves need their masters and sheep need their shepherds." :eek:

Politicians on both sides are adept at exploiting that basic trait of females.

[ThePieSwindler]

Oh, I know I'll probably catch hell for saying this but the fact is, women evolved to want PROTECTION and SECURITY.

Toss in the "women's movement" and the destruction of the family.

Now, women don't look to men to provide that protection and security.

Women look to the state to provide it.

Nothing anyone says will change their mind on voting for whichever candidate they believe offers them the most protection and security. They either don't realize that it comes at the price of their liberty, or they realize it and do not give a shit. As I've read..."slaves need their masters and sheep need their shepherds." :eek:

Politicians on both sides are adept at exploiting that basic trait of females.

Well said. No offense to women or anything, its just their nature. Its an observable phenomenon, it does not mean they are inferior, it just means they have different natural tendancies. One of which is to want protection and security and to work "together", etc.

[akovacs]

You cannot convince hardcore democrats like that, at least not now. If Paul gets the nomination and she starts to debate people against him, she will look like an idiot. THEN she might actually look at him and realize how stupid she's being.

Or not, and vote democrat anyway. I don't really have much regard for people who vote like that without even thinking about it.

[richard1984]

People like Rachel scare the hell out of me.

Yeah. Me, too. And not just because I don't understand them, but also because they don't understand them. It's just like saying, "Hello. I'm a tool. Please use me. I good at looking happy." :rolleyes:

Honestly, I think that a lot of this can be explained by the structure of our education system. When you repress people, they learn to cope in different ways. Some people just turn off the inside--they live in a thick mental fog.

I, myself, am a dreamer and a thinker--which has been hard to reconcile with the physical and psychological control and narrow, limiting structure of the education system in America. We really need to follow Dr. Paul's advice and start using individual liberty to our advantage. What I'm talking about is the second quote in my signature: "Instead of a national curriculum for education, what is really needed is an individual curriculum for every child." Only when we start letting children have more say in their lives--especially their education--will we really start to solve our culture problems.

[fj45lvr]

Obama is a product of the Chicago Democratic machine. He has to be young and inexperienced because otherwise the corruption baggage would bury him. I am sure he's a nice guy, but I would be willing to bet there are some powerful forces pulling his strings. Democrats don't even generally support Chicago Democratic politics.

Haven't you already heard of his house there and the "empty lot" purchased the same day he purchased his house that is right next door to his place: Obama's house was purchased below asking price and the lot next to him was purchased for a extremely high price by a local chicago mobster type with history of corruption with politicians.....does anyone need any more evidence than that??

Ms. Moore is a MORONIC socialist that only follows talking points and is actually clueless to the real issues.....she probably in her naivity is thinking that only the dems care about pollution and poor fuzzy wuzzy critters and the poor uneducated babies out there (that should have been aborted with enough tax payer money spent here instead of on war).

Hilarious that she doesn't even know her own "front-runners" aren't anti-war...they're just anti-republican.

[richard1984]

You cannot convince hardcore democrats like that, at least not now. If Paul gets the nomination and she starts to debate people against him, she will look like an idiot. THEN she might actually look at him and realize how stupid she's being.

Or not, and vote democrat anyway. I don't really have much regard for people who vote like that without even thinking about it.

That's why Dr. Paul will tear the Democrat nominee a new one in the debates. They are all basically the general type of person that the Democrat college girl is. The main difference is practice and training. It's exactly why people like Hillary and Obama--and really most of the other presidential candidates--are known for flip-flopping and change what they say depending on the mentality of the crowd (which is usually based on pre-judices about their mentality). Of course, Ron Paul doesn't have to worry about that because he tells the truth, and he's only able to do that because he is an honest person (of course, the fact that he's a friggin genius helps a little, too).

Dr. Paul is the complete package. All the others are just wanna-bes.

[Buzz]

Ms Moore opted not to debate this issue, because in her mind, there is no issue, shes a Democrat, and will vote this way. I am surprised that she responded to this email at all. I too have some female friends, that regardless of what you put in front of them in way of facts, they do not want to hear it. They are Democrats, women, and voting for the woman, Hillary. Nothing can be done to persuade them otherwise. Just move on.

What drives me up a wall is that a vote from such utterly uninformed automatons can cancel out MY vote.

[Thom1776]

I'd commute with Scooter Libby as long as he gave me gas money.

[UCFGavin]

thats much nicer than what i would have written :o

[dircha]

To summarize, you said, "Listen you stupid girl; you need to pay attention to whats going on and stop being a bandwagon cheerleader!"

Her response?

"You can say that if you want to, but my friends have told me otherwise."

Your average young Liberal and Neo-con activists do not think; they mimic.

I guarantee you everything that girl said she said because she heard it from her liberal college professors and liberal social groups. They merely trade the worldview they uncritically accepted from their parents for another.

By and large Americans never truly leave high school.

And that is why George W Bush is our President today.

[Electric Church]

Good email, however, it would have been more effective to focus on articulating the views of Ron Paul and less on criticizing her views and pointing out the embarrassing fact that she is severely misinformed. This only serves to back her up into a corner causing her to shut down. We must try to convert democrats by educating them about the positions of Ron Paul and not do it by pointing out their weaknesses.

[Mr. White]

Good email, however, it would have been more effective to focus on articulating the views of Ron Paul and less on criticizing her views and pointing out the embarrassing fact that she is severely misinformed. This only serves to back her up into a corner causing her to shut down. We must try to convert democrats by educating them about the positions of Ron Paul and not do it by pointing out their weaknesses.

agreed

[cjhowe]

Haven't you already heard of his house there and the "empty lot" purchased the same day he purchased his house that is right next door to his place: Obama's house was purchased below asking price and the lot next to him was purchased for a extremely high price by a local chicago mobster type with history of corruption with politicians.....does anyone need any more evidence than that??

Is it really necessary to repeat falsities about other candidates? In regards to Obama, he gave a rather open interview in regard to this topic before the mid-term elections. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

If you wish to make this an election about the lesser of two evils, RP doesn't stand a chance. If you want to make this an election about freedom, prosperity, personal responsibility and principles, RP will will hands down.




Ms. Moore is a MORONIC socialist that only follows talking points and is actually clueless to the real issues.....she probably in her naivity is thinking that only the dems care about pollution and poor fuzzy wuzzy critters and the poor uneducated babies out there (that should have been aborted with enough tax payer money spent here instead of on war).

Hilarious that she doesn't even know her own "front-runners" aren't anti-war...they're just anti-republican.

Name calling is not necessary.

[MsDoodahs]

No one called her moronic to her face.

No one forced her to do the CNN interview.

No one forced her to be ill prepared.

I don't have a problem with anyone referring to socialists as morons because frankly, I think that they are.

[cjhowe]

No one called her moronic to her face.

No one forced her to do the CNN interview.

No one forced her to be ill prepared.

I don't have a problem with anyone referring to socialists as morons because frankly, I think that they are.

You may disagree with her, but she was not at all ill prepared. All she did was copy Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. But used it for Democrats. It's sad that we don't remember this.

[0zzy]

Good email, however, it would have been more effective to focus on articulating the views of Ron Paul and less on criticizing her views and pointing out the embarrassing fact that she is severely misinformed. This only serves to back her up into a corner causing her to shut down. We must try to convert democrats by educating them about the positions of Ron Paul and not do it by pointing out their weaknesses.

She's the president of her Democratic w/e in college, you can't convert her. The only thing I wanted from her, however, is to learn how to debate and speak intelligently about her positions.

If she votes for a Democrat, fine, it's America. But if she's going to be on CNN and a Democratic-leader, she needs to explain things rather than state simple rhetoric. It's why the current debates are lackluster in this country.


"I'm a democrat"
"I'm a republican"
"ARGH!"
"RAWR!"

I cant have that, I want to see debates.

[Paulitician]

It sucks that there are millions of people just like her who will be voting. They pick a side, and make a choice based on who the media highlights most. "Let's see, I'm a democrat so that means my choices are either Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or John Edwards. On one hand Clinton is a women, on another Obama is so young and fresh that he brings people together... but then again Edwards is cute and he cares about the poor. Umm, who the heck is this Kucinich guy some people are talking about? I've never heard of him in my life." Or conversely... "Oh man, Fred Thompson is a good actor and Fox says he's the savior of the Republican party, so it must be true! Rudy Giualiani sure sounds good. I hear he's the hero of 9/11, and that he did the impossible for New York as mayor: he cut taxes way down, reduced crime and stuff. Mitt Romney sure looks presidential material though. What the--Ru Paul is running for president? Oh right, that's the one liberal, America-hating isolationist nutcase."

I wish people took presidential elections more seriously. :(

[max]

[QUOTE=0zzy;145560]After watching the CNN video yesterday (WATCH HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xg22Fr6i-I)) I decided to email the democratic representative.



Sorry, but that was not the way to respond. When you are dealing with evil neo-cons or corrupt media people who should know better, then by all means...feel free to abuse them.

But this was a 21 year old idealistic and naive little girl. By coming off as strong as you did she's more likely to stay in the left camp. When you are dealing with sincere but misguided people, the best approach is sugar...not vinegar.

save the venom for the neo-cons, Marxists, and media liars.

[fj45lvr]

Is it really necessary to repeat falsities about other candidates? In regards to Obama, he gave a rather open interview in regard to this topic before the mid-term elections. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article.



What is false about what I stated?? You actually believe Obama stating this was a "mistake" and just coincidental being purchased on the SAME DAY.....wake up buddy.





Name calling is not necessary.

Stating my opinion that she was moronic is based on her answers...you don't think that is an accurate statement?? How would you characterize them then? calling her something that was derogatory but unrelated to the facts would be "name calling" which would be inappropriate.

[markpa]

To be honest when I was her age I mostly just repeated things other people said. So hopefully she will come around to critical thinking at some point.

[0zzy]

To be honest when I was her age I mostly just repeated things other people said. So hopefully she will come around to critical thinking at some point.

I'm only 17, young philosopher? Or maybe I'm just repeating everything everyone else is saying. I'm just repeating for the right reasons ;).

Though I would never claim to be the know-all-be-all. Sometime in the future I plan to read many books on specific issues and write my thoughts as i read them. A book or two on Pro-w/e, a book or two on Anti-w/e, and a book or two on neutral-w/e.

I'll read books about every issue, get educated, speak with people about it, and after I reach "nirvana", I'll run for Congress~! Or something political like that :).

[Karsten]

How did you get her email address? Could we get the Republican girl's email and thank her?

[ksuguy]

The republican has actually posted on our forum here.

[LibertyEagle]

Interpretation:

Nevermind the facts. I have the right to believe what I want to believe.

[TurtleBurger]

A private citizen receiving unsolicited e-mails from strangers has no moral obligation to respond at all, much less engage in meaningful debate, so you got more than you could have expected. It's good to contact people to educate them, but you can't always expect much in return. :)

[unconsious767]

Oh, I know I'll probably catch hell for saying this but the fact is, women evolved to want PROTECTION and SECURITY.

Toss in the "women's movement" and the destruction of the family.

Now, women don't look to men to provide that protection and security.

Women look to the state to provide it.

Nothing anyone says will change their mind on voting for whichever candidate they believe offers them the most protection and security. They either don't realize that it comes at the price of their liberty, or they realize it and do not give a shit. As I've read..."slaves need their masters and sheep need their shepherds." :eek:

Politicians on both sides are adept at exploiting that basic trait of females.

You forgot THE most important thing to throw in: giving women the right to vote in the first place!

And you thought you were gonna catch hell :D Of course, I'm joking. I have never heard this take on the women's perspective, and it seems very insightful to me.

Thanks.

[beermotor]

Sure it was polite. It also highlights how she lacks any sort of critical thinking skills. That combine with a polite response and a respectful disagreement without any sort of backing up of ones position is the most annoyng shit ever. She was challenged, and rather than actually discuss anything, (especially when she was being ignorant and almost conceited about it) she just blows it off with a nice "polite" response.


College doesn't teach you critical thinking skills.