help me come up with reasons why McCain is a liberal

[garrettwombat]

im sitting here trying to come up with everything that is liberal about this man.

he even has said "i am a liberal republican"

[Deborah K]

MCCain - Feingold

Amnesty

[Truth Warrior]

Hillary's buddy.

McCain/Feingold

Amnesty for Illegal immigrants.

Kennedy/McCain on health care and / or "schooling", I think.

Gun control???

[Kludge]

- Supports initiation of force to accomplish political and social goals.
- Supports maintaining ridiculous Nanny State departments (DoEd, DoEn, DoD)
- Supports maintaining the Federal Reserve to provide the federal gov't money to fund unnecessary wars and departments.

[fr33domfightr]

McCain-Kennedy. He'll tell you, "my friends," that it didn't incude amnesty. Since those here illegally could get a temporary permit that could be renewed indefinitely, I'd call that an amnesty. That's what the dems (liberals) want, amnesty.


FF

[nakor667]

McCain-Feingold

Pro-amnesty immigration stance

Global warming and environmental issues

Lots more

[LibertyCzar]

After George W. Bush became the president, McCain was going to leave the Republican Party and caucus with the Democrats.

[fr33domfightr]

Wanted to let the Bush tax cuts expire. That's the Dem (liberal) idea, so they get more revenue coming into the federal government.

I'm for tax cuts for everyone!! I'm actually for eliminating the IRS, period!!!!


FF

[lynnf]

im sitting here trying to come up with everything that is liberal about this man.

he even has said "i am a liberal republican"


Morris Udall, freakin' liberal Democrat, was his freakin' mentor!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139439

The Man Who Made McCain

The presumptive GOP nominee attributes his maturation to Mo Udall.


lynn

[jcarcinogen]

therealmccain.com (http://therealmccain.com/)

[Truth Warrior]

Is McCain a member of the CFR?

[garrettwombat]

how is the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act liberal?

[RideTheDirt]

why not ask the neocons a question?How is he a conservative?and while you're speaking to these fascists, why not ask, why do you call yourself a "new-con"?because you're certainly not a new-conservative.

[badmedia]

Just copy his voting record.

[Truth Warrior]

how is the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act liberal? Restriction on free speech.

The Libs just love it. Originators of PC, and "hate speech" ( so called ). :p

"1984", deja vu. :eek:

[Deborah K]

Is McCain a member of the CFR?


Yes. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html

[Truth Warrior]

Yes. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html Thanks! ;)

[constitutional]

Yes. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html

Then Ron Paul is also a member of CFR. http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

You know what -- just stop with CFR rhetoric, it actually never converts any one because majority of people have never heard of CFR. And CFR has nothing to do with being liberal -- CFR is not liberal, they just care about their own interest.

[brandon]

Then Ron Paul is also a member of CFR. http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

You know what -- just stop with CFR rhetoric, it actually never converts any one because majority of people have never heard of CFR. And CFR has nothing to do with being liberal -- CFR is not liberal, they just care about their own interest.


No he isn't.

I agree with your point though.

[Truth Warrior]

Then Ron Paul is also a member of CFR. http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

You know what -- just stop with CFR rhetoric, it actually never converts any one because majority of people have never heard of CFR. And CFR has nothing to do with being liberal -- CFR is not liberal, they just care about their own interest.
A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm

[Deborah K]

Then Ron Paul is also a member of CFR. http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

You know what -- just stop with CFR rhetoric, it actually never converts any one because majority of people have never heard of CFR. And CFR has nothing to do with being liberal -- CFR is not liberal, they just care about their own interest.

Call it what you will. Anyone who clicks on the site can see that the CFR has write-ups on all the Candidates.....:rolleyes:

So, I'm supposed to stop talking about the CFR because most people don't know who they are???? Truthwarrior asked a question, I answered it. And actually, liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be, and since the CFR is the driving force behind the impending NAU, then I think that is something a little more than just rhetoric and therefore does apply. :p

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8138/building_a_north_american_community.html

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7914/trinational_call_for_a_north_american_economic_and _security_community_by_2010.html

[constitutional]

Call it what you will. Anyone who clicks on the site can see that the CFR has write-ups on all the Candidates.....:rolleyes:

So, I'm supposed to stop talking about the CFR because most people don't know who they are???? Truthwarrior asked a question, I answered it. And actually, liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be, and since the CFR is the driving force behind the impending NAU, then I think that is something a little more than just rhetoric and therefore does apply. :p

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8138/building_a_north_american_community.html

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7914/trinational_call_for_a_north_american_economic_and _security_community_by_2010.html

Yes, truthwarrior asked a question and you answered it. But the answer was a link to a McCain's bio on CFR page. There is also a Ron Paul bio page on the web site. Was that really your answer? Now you know why some people should stop talking about CFR to other people. Because they do such a horrible job.

I'm still laughing at the fact that all someone needs is a link to prove if someone is a CFR member or not. God help us.


And you said "And actually, liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be, and since the CFR is the driving force behind the impending NAU, then I think that is something a little more than just rhetoric and therefore does apply."

I never said "liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be" and therefore that whole sentence was a waste of space. :p

[lynnf]

Then Ron Paul is also a member of CFR. http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

You know what -- just stop with CFR rhetoric, it actually never converts any one because majority of people have never heard of CFR. And CFR has nothing to do with being liberal -- CFR is not liberal, they just care about their own interest.



"majority of people have never heard of CFR"

then they need to --- keep bringing it up!


"CFR has nothing to do with being liberal "

but it has to do with worse -- being a traitor! -- keep bringing it up!

lynn

[FunkBuddha]

He supported the Climate Change bill recently that would've placed a HUGE tax burden on everyone. Notice how is name is in between Clinton and Obama. Right where it belongs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/06/ST2008060601769.html


Both sides did their best to tout their gains in the debate: Backers of the bill noted that six absent senators indicated they would have supported the motion to end debate, including Barack Obama (D-Ill.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). That would have translated into 54 votes in favor of cloture, a significant improvement over the 38 votes in favor of climate legislation in 2005.

[Deborah K]

Yes, truthwarrior asked a question and you answered it. But the answer was a link to a McCain's bio on CFR page.

No, I didn't. I answered it by saying "yes". I provided a link to show what the CFR states about McCain. Sorry if it looked like I was using that site to prove he is a CFR member, probably should have clarified that. The fact that he is a CFR member isn't hard to prove, if you need me to, I will. What that site DOES show, is McCain's stance on just about EVERYTHING in one fell swoop! It shows clearly that he is very liberal leaning.


And you said "And actually, liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be, and since the CFR is the driving force behind the impending NAU, then I think that is something a little more than just rhetoric and therefore does apply."

I never said "liberalism is closer to socialism/communism than conservatism will ever be" and therefore that whole sentence was a waste of space.

And I never claimed that you did! That was MY supposition. It was in response to a comment you made in your first post addressed to me that the "CFR has nothing to do with being liberal" - wrong!! In other words, in my opinion, the CFR has EVERYTHING to do with being liberal and NOTHING whatsoever to do with being conservative, in light of the fact that they are hell bent on destroying our sovereignty.

The CFR, as I have proven with their own web site, has every intention of aiding in the merging of our country with 2 socialist-governed countries - a liberal agenda. Anyone who knows anything about the SPP/NAU, knows who Robert Pastor is and his affiliation and influence within the CFR. Look him up, he is a very left-wing liberal democrat.

You don't have to agree with me, and feel free to debate this, but try if it's within your realm, to keep from making this personal by being so condescending. It really dimishes the debate. :rolleyes:

[LibertiORDeth]

After George W. Bush became the president, McCain was going to leave the Republican Party and caucus with the Democrats.

I thought he was going to run as an independent.

[spacehabitats]

im sitting here trying to come up with everything that is liberal about this man.

he even has said "i am a liberal republican"

I know that I use the terms "conservative" and "liberal" but only because our language has been so corrupted that we cannot avoid them in any political discussion.

Frankly, McCain does vote along Neoconservative lines very nicely so it has become harder to attack him as being a "liberal".

As the Neoconservatives have taken over, they have gradually redefined what conservative values are, largely ignoring fiscal responsibility. They have emphasized "social" conservatism (pro-life, anti-stem cell, anti-gay marriage, pro prayer in school, pro "one nation, under God", etc.) all of which is very emotional and divisive but that is irrelevant to their goal of world dominance.

McCain and Huckabee have no problem looking "conservative" when it comes to that kind of stuff.

To anyone who has any inkling of traditional conservative values, it shouldn't be too hard to attack McCain.

He is a proponent of illegal immigration and almost single-handedly killed our only hope at putting teeth in the immigration laws when the "Republicans" controlled the government.

[constitutional]

No, I didn't. I answered it by saying "yes". I provided a link to show what the CFR states about McCain. Sorry if it looked like I was using that site to prove he is a CFR member, probably should have clarified that. The fact that he is a CFR member isn't hard to prove, if you need me to, I will. What that site DOES show, is McCain's stance on just about EVERYTHING in one fell swoop! It shows clearly that he is very liberal leaning.



And I never claimed that you did! That was MY supposition. It was in response to a comment you made in your first post addressed to me that the "CFR has nothing to do with being liberal" - wrong!! In other words, in my opinion, the CFR has EVERYTHING to do with being liberal and NOTHING whatsoever to do with being conservative, in light of the fact that they are hell bent on destroying our sovereignty.

The CFR, as I have proven with their own web site, has every intention of aiding in the merging of our country with 2 socialist-governed countries - a liberal agenda. Anyone who knows anything about the SPP/NAU, knows who Robert Pastor is and his affiliation and influence within the CFR. Look him up, he is a very left-wing liberal democrat.

You don't have to agree with me, and feel free to debate this, but try if it's within your realm, to keep from making this personal by being so condescending. It really dimishes the debate. :rolleyes:

I never was trying to make this condescending. I've seen your posts before in other threads, I'll be damn if I try to be so condescending against you.

^ take that as a compliment.

[Jamsie 567]

He supports Al Gores Global Warming program that takes the cake!!

[Deborah K]

I never was trying to make this condescending. I've seen your posts before in other threads, I'll be damn if I try to be so condescending against you.

^ take that as a compliment.

Okay, I will. ;):)

[weslinder]

He's running on Al Gore's platform from 2000.

[Indy4Chng]

Ever heard of McCain Feinstein, that is the most un-conservative legislation every passed. That alone makes him as liberal as they come.