What should Ron Paul do now? - Poll

[Tim1776]

What should Ron Paul do now?

Major poll at http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-06-06/poll-what-should-ron-paul-do-now/

Results so far:

# Stay in the Republican race and continue efforts to take back the GOP (92)
# Launch a new Presidential campaign as an independent or third party candidate (87)
# Drop out and endorse John McCain (1)
# Drop out and endorse Bob Barr (13)
# Drop out and endorse Chuck Baldwin (1)
# Drop out and endorse Barack Obama (70)
# Other (2)

[SnappleLlama]

What the heck? THAT many people want him to endorse Obama?

[MRoCkEd]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

[Dorfsmith]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

It boggles my mind :confused:

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

Perhaps some folks in the Obama camp got wind of this poll?

[Dorfsmith]

Perhaps some folks in the Obama camp got wind of this poll?

The only logical explanation:D

[Fields]

Why is a person with 4 posts promoting a website that came about only to profit off of us?

[damien88]

Why is a person with 4 posts promoting a website that came about only to profit off of us?

I think you may have answered your own question there.

[yongrel]

Ignore our advice.

[Kade]

What the heck? THAT many people want him to endorse Obama?

Many people who support Ron Paul see Obama as the next best thing. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it is the truth.

[TurtleBurger]

I wonder who managed to wrest the ronpaul.com domain from the evil Ron paul?

[SnappleLlama]

Many people who support Ron Paul see Obama as the next best thing. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it is the truth.

How are Obama's policies anything like Ron Paul's? This is what I don't understand. How can anyone think that there is even the MINUTE possibility Ron Paul is going to endorse Obama? That's all I'm sayin'. :)

[Kade]

How are Obama's policies anything like Ron Paul's? This is what I don't understand. How can anyone think that there is even the MINUTE possibility Ron Paul is going to endorse Obama? That's all I'm sayin'. :)

Why would I support Ron Paul then? Do you think you understand something that I don't? I care first and foremost about civil liberties... when you start to understand that, you will know why.

[SnappleLlama]

Why would I support Ron Paul then? Do you think you understand something that I don't? I care first and foremost about civil liberties... when you start to understand that, you will know why.

I'm not following you.

All I'm saying is that Ron Paul's policies are nothing like Obama's...so then why would either of them endorse each other? It's like saying, "Oh, Hillary didn't win the nomination, so I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul." WTF? They don't even hold the same views!

[Kade]

I'm not following you.

All I'm saying is that Ron Paul's policies are nothing like Obama's...so then why would either of them endorse each other? It's like saying, "Oh, Hillary didn't win the nomination, so I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul." WTF? They don't even hold the same views!

I don't think RP should or ever will endorse Obama... I'm answering the TS. I'm telling you why their respective supporters are so close. Many of RP supporters are the civil libertarians, like myself.

[SnappleLlama]

I don't think RP should or ever will endorse Obama... I'm answering the TS. I'm telling you why their respective supporters are so close. Many of RP supporters are the civil libertarians, like myself.

Ahh...got it!

Sorry for being thick-headed. Lack of coffee and all that. :)

[Printo]

Ron Paul should endorse more Ron Paul Republicans running for Congress.

[fr33domfightr]

It looks like the poll is shifting towards the Third Party run. I can't deny that would UNIFY the Conservative factions. If Ron Paul did indeed run as a third party candidate, I'd vote for him, and it would be clear to the media that a large portion of voters don't want the other 2 major candidates.

Even if Obama won, our message of Freedom would be clear.


FF

[RPTXState]

I don't think RP should or ever will endorse Obama... I'm answering the TS. I'm telling you why their respective supporters are so close. Many of RP supporters are the civil libertarians, like myself.

I am curious though- how can you justify Obama's vote to renew the "Patriot Act"?

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3801

[TruthisTreason]

I'd like to see the birth of a new party.:cool:

[Ozwest]

Ron Paul ---

Should be 20 years younger...

[Ozwest]

I'd spend the next 20 years getting taking him to the Whitehouse.

[wgadget]

Obama has Marxist tendencies. Sorry, no go.

[MMolloy]

Many people who support Ron Paul see Obama as the next best thing. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it is the truth.

We'll take your word for it :rolleyes:

No one who has been seriously following RP and digesting anything could possibly vote for Obama!

[MMolloy]

They let anybody take that poll.

The poll is MEANINGLESS

[FreedomRings]

I'm all for an independent run but it probably won't happen. Then again, maybe he will surprise us all.

As for Obama supporters, we need to attract them, not repell them. Many of them are pretty shallow (I hope they don't read this) so it must be perceived to be "cooler" to support Ron Paul than to support Obama. Obama apparently lied about his support for peace; maybe that's a starting point... who wants to support a liar?

[Ozwest]

Obama or McCain?

You have no other choices.

Democracy at work.

[Kade]

I'm all for an independent run but it probably won't happen. Then again, maybe he will surprise us all.

As for Obama supporters, we need to attract them, not repell them. Many of them are pretty shallow (I hope they don't read this) so it must be perceived to be "cooler" to support Ron Paul than to support Obama. Obama apparently lied about his support for peace; maybe that's a starting point... who wants to support a liar?

What a shallow generalization.

Obama's support is strongest among the college educated, upper class.... the professional class.

[ronpaul.republican]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

In fact I'm switching to Dem & voting for O'bama, just to hasten the collapse of the US.

[ronpaul.republican]

How are Obama's policies anything like Ron Paul's?

They both advocate peace? :confused: Seems to be a big selling point for folks here.

[pinkmandy]

They both advocate peace? :confused: Seems to be a big selling point for folks here.


Advocating ending the war in Iraq does not equal peace. Obama may want to end that war "soon" but is he planning on pulling our troops out of over 130 countries in the name of peace? Anyone who says Israel is a priority for the US isn't an advocate of peace. Get a clue.

[SnappleLlama]

Advocating ending the war in Iraq does not equal peace. Obama may want to end that war "soon" but is he planning on pulling our troops out of over 130 countries in the name of peace? Anyone who says Israel is a priority for the US isn't an advocate of peace. Get a clue.

Damn, that was fast! Nicely put! :D

[pinkmandy]

In fact I'm switching to Dem & voting for O'bama, just to hasten the collapse of the US.

Then you belong here:
http://www.theobamaforum.com/

[pinkmandy]

What a shallow generalization.

Obama's support is strongest among the college educated, upper class.... the professional class.

I don't like the generalization, either. I also don't like the generalization that professionals are exempt from being shallow because they're college educated, upper class. Both generalizations are equally wrong.

[Andrew-Austin]

Why would I support Ron Paul then? Do you think you understand something that I don't? I care first and foremost about civil liberties... when you start to understand that, you will know why.

Obama does not seem to care at all about economic liberty... Which is intertwined with civil liberty...


What a shallow generalization.

Obama's support is strongest among the college educated, upper class.... the professional class.

That means very little.

[ronpaul.republican]

Then you belong here:
http://www.theobamaforum.com/

Really? Why wouldn't I belong here so's all you nice, friendly Ron Paul folk can bring me back into the fold? Gently, now. ;)

[Kade]

What a bunch of bitter-clingers. :eek:

[ronpaul.republican]

What a bunch of bitter-clingers. :eek:

Nah, just with Ron out of the race, there's just not that much to talk about anymore. :rolleyes:

[Kade]

Nah, just with Ron out of the race, there's just not that much to talk about anymore. :rolleyes:

They don't get it. There are ONLY two choices... sad but horribly true. A vote for Candy Barr or Pastor Clown Baldwin is a throw away, and if you are normally liberal leaning, a vote for McCain.

[Ozwest]

Dr. Paul kept repeating...

Withdraw the troops from Iraq, and globally.

[Ozwest]

I reckon he will vote for Obama.

With a heavy heart...

[Aratus]

if of roughly of 1000+ people some 2/5ths want him to go 3rd party,
and 2/5ths feel comfortable with working inside the G.O.P for good
or ill, are we surprised if the last fifth is consisting of people who are
pro-Obama, and a lesser number, namely roughly 40+ people are
Bob Barr people? there were also the other options... to a lesser degree!

[tonesforjonesbones]

If you are planning on voting for obama...you were never a true Ron Paul supporter. Maybe you are a college student yourself...and when Obama became more trendy than Ron Paul...you decided to go that way.

[Kade]

If you are planning on voting for obama...you were never a true Ron Paul supporter. Maybe you are a college student yourself...and when Obama became more trendy than Ron Paul...you decided to go that way.

That's a good way of protecting yourself from that bitter feeling.

Truth is I brought many, many people to this movement, and I've been a libertarian most my life. Newcomers having the audacity to tell me who and what I supported based on trends.

No, I've liked Obama since I read his book a few years ago... I never hid that, or the fact that I was not a RP absolutist. But I would have loved to see him win the nomination, and I would have supported RP if he did.

Trendiness in fact wins elections, soak it up. If you think your comment has any validity, your one of the uninformed.

And I am about 2 years out of college now... graduating in 2006.

In another 3 years I'll be out again, so you can be valid again.

[Thomas Paine]

Frankly, if you really adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies, you will recognize that Barack Hussein Obama is worse than John McCain, though not by much.

[Ozwest]

Frankly, if you really adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies, you will recognize that Barack Hussein Obama is worse than John McCain, though not by much.

Foreign entanglements?

That swings me towards Obama.

[Kade]

Frankly, if you really adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies, you will recognize that Barack Hussein Obama is worse than John McCain, though not by much.

I don't adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies. I like him for his view on civil liberties. Need I stress that again for you?

[ronpaul.republican]

I reckon he will vote for Obama.

With a heavy heart...

I'll give you an example. I saw my neighbor squatting in his yard with his pants down around his ankles yesterday.

I asked him what he was doing. He said he's pooping in a groundhog hole. He said he read online that it would confuse the groundhog & make it think that some other animal had claimed its lair.

The fact that this person is usually sane is the only reason I refrained from calling the police.

[ClayTrainor]

I don't adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies. I like him for his view on civil liberties. Need I stress that again for you?

socialist?

i dont get how you could like obamas economic policies and not be a socialist at heart.

[Kade]

socialist?

i dont get how you could like obamas economic policies and not be a socialist at heart.

I'm a realist.

I like the market economy. I hate corporate bailouts and subsidies.
I tolerate social programs because a wealthy nation can afford them, but I prefer strong limitations.

My position is not extreme.

[Ozwest]

I'll give you an example. I saw my neighbor squatting in his yard with his pants down around his ankles yesterday.

I asked him what he was doing. He said he's pooping in a groundhog hole. He said he read online that it would confuse the groundhog & make it think that some other animal had claimed its lair.

The fact that this person is usually sane is the only reason I refrained from calling the police.
So a thought crossed your neighbors mind.

Must have been a long and lonely journey...

[Thomas Paine]

I don't adhere to Ron Paul's economic policies. I like him for his view on civil liberties. Need I stress that again for you?

Kade, I hate to crush your ego but I don't have time to read through prior posts and was frankly unaware of your view.

[Ozwest]

A few salt pellets wouldn't have gone astray.

[ronpaul.republican]

So a thought crossed your neighbors mind.

Must have been a long and lonely journey...

Yeah, ok, but you're missing the point.

[Ozwest]

Yeah, ok, but you're missing the point.
Enlighten me.

I'm a bit slow.

[Ozwest]

Yeah, ok, but you're missing the point.
Perhaps...

More visual graphics.

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

How is Obama the peace/anti-war candidate?

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWAT00959220080604

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www.barackobama.com

Obama: Expand the wars -- starting with Pakistan

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

"So the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world."

"... take down terrorist networks from the remote islands of Indonesia, to the sprawling cities of Africa."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

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Will Obama Stand Up to the War Party?
Don't bet the ranch on it

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12942

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Cindy Sheehan Salutes Ron Paul and Exposes Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptu81SGQfLw

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Obama plans to scale the wars up, not down.

His economic policies are just as bad if not worse than McCain's.

What is comes down to is the illusion of choice.

I don't see any real differences between the two, and both seem intent on ensuring an economic collapse.

[Thomas Paine]

How is Obama the peace/anti-war candidate?

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything," he said to a standing ovation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWAT00959220080604

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www.barackobama.com

Obama: Expand the wars -- starting with Pakistan

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

"So the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world."

"... take down terrorist networks from the remote islands of Indonesia, to the sprawling cities of Africa."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

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Will Obama Stand Up to the War Party?
Don't bet the ranch on it

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12942

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Cindy Sheehan Salutes Ron Paul and Exposes Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptu81SGQfLw

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Obama plans to scale the wars up, not down.

His economic policies are just as bad if not worse than McCain's.

What is comes down to is the illusion of choice.

I don't see any real differences between the two, and both seem intent on ensuring an economic collapse.

In short, Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more than a puppet having his strings pulled.

[MMolloy]

Originally Posted by Kade

What a bunch of bitter-clingers.


Nah, just with Ron out of the race, there's just not that much to talk about anymore. :rolleyes:

If Ron's out of the race... Why are there still so many TROLLS here?

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I've always supported the idea of an independent run, but it's very unlikely at this point. Not impossible, but unlikely. After all, the avenue to a third party run of some sort is still not entirely closed: Dr. Paul could take Bob Barr as VP and use the Libertarian Party, while Chuck Baldwin would also likely step aside for him. Having Ron Paul on the ballot in November is the only thing that can keep this movement solidly unified.

Otherwise, we will have a lot more work to do to keep a semblance of it together. The ideas are generally the same among all of us--it's the methods that are causing divergence. Barr, Baldwin, Obama; bolster an existing third party, found a new one, or stay in the GOP...these are the disagreements we face. And as this interesting poll shows, we're chopped up pretty well.

In lieu of no Dr. Paul in November, I just hope we figure out some way to keep this thing together. I think we can, as long as it doesn't get nasty between the would-be Paulite factions. Though Ron Paul himself issuing some marching orders, or at least big hints about where to go next would help...

By the way, the same page with the poll mentions a major announcement from Ron Paul due next week. Anyone know if this is true?

[MMolloy]

I've always supported the idea of an independent run, but it's very unlikely at this point. Not impossible, but unlikely. After all, the avenue to a third party run of some sort is still not entirely closed: Dr. Paul could take Bob Barr as VP and use the Libertarian Party, while Chuck Baldwin would also likely step aside for him. Having Ron Paul on the ballot in November is the only thing that can keep this movement solidly unified.

Otherwise, we will have a lot more work to do to keep a semblance of it together. The ideas are generally the same among all of us--it's the methods that are causing divergence. Barr, Baldwin, Obama; bolster an existing third party, found a new one, or stay in the GOP...these are the disagreements we face. And as this interesting poll shows, we're chopped up pretty well.

In lieu of no Dr. Paul in November, I just hope we figure out some way to keep this thing together. I think we can, as long as it doesn't get nasty between the would-be Paulite factions. Though Ron Paul himself issuing some marching orders, or at least big hints about where to go next would help...

By the way, the same page with the poll mentions a major announcement from Ron Paul due next week. Anyone know if this is true?

I'll say again... that poll is not a reflection of RP supporters.
And I don't need anyone to give me marching orders... I'll be at the convention in MN and if Ron's not on the ballot in November and he doesn't coordinate a write-in then I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin.

[haigh]

In fact I'm switching to Dem & voting for O'bama, just to hasten the collapse of the US.

Bingo. We know from the last century that one way to get a trend reversal is to go bankrupt. With time our most precious asset, Obama gets us to trend reversal the fastest.

He is also the candidate most likely to create the next big wave of voters disillusioned with government as a solution to any problem. He'll enter the White House burdened with high and unrealistic expectations, and then do what government always does, screw up.

I won't be so cynical with my vote but I agree with the logic.

[AJ Antimony]

What the heck? THAT many people want him to endorse Obama?

We have half-sheep Ron Paul supporters. These half sheep people are those who have a mind open enough to like Paul and his ideas, but closed enough to buy into Obama's anti-war bullshit and the whole 'have to support a winner' bullshit.

Basically they'd vote Paul over Obama, but since Obama is 'the winner' who everyone loves, they go and support him.

[pacelli]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

Many people on these forums in the past exposed themselves to being Obama shills and were banned because of it.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

We have half-sheep Ron Paul supporters. These half sheep people are those who have a mind open enough to like Paul and his ideas, but closed enough to buy into Obama's anti-war bullshit and the whole 'have to support a winner' bullshit.

Basically they'd vote Paul over Obama, but since Obama is 'the winner' who everyone loves, they go and support him.

Personally, I think they're so drawn to Obama because there won't be any Paul in November, barring an independent run. Most of them don't know who the hell Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin are. And another segment, even if they knew, wouldn't go for them since Barr was ousted from office (and has more than a few problems in his voting record) and because Baldwin has no experience.

Like it or not, Ron Paul has impressed so many people--especially those 25 and older--not just because of his ideas, but because he has the experience and solid record to back it up. Without Paul, Obama is viewed as a natural "lesser of two evils" for a chunk of our fair weather and older supporters.

[ronpaul.republican]

Originally Posted by Kade




If Ron's out of the race... Why are there still so many TROLLS here?

I don't know, fuckwad. You tell me.

[ronpaul.republican]

Bingo. We know from the last century that one way to get a trend reversal is to go bankrupt. With time our most precious asset, Obama gets us to trend reversal the fastest.

He is also the candidate most likely to create the next big wave of voters disillusioned with government as a solution to any problem. He'll enter the White House burdened with high and unrealistic expectations, and then do what government always does, screw up.

I won't be so cynical with my vote but I agree with the logic.

Thank you for being capable of understanding. I was starting to believe this place was infested with nothing but morons. Now I see there is at least one logical person here.

Not surprising you talk in terms of trading. You do forex?

[Kamran1980]

Drop out and endorse NWO puppet Obama?

Hhahahahaahahahahha, what a JOKE

[rprprs]

I'm a realist.

I like the market economy. I hate corporate bailouts and subsidies.
I tolerate social programs because a wealthy nation can afford them, but I prefer strong limitations.

My position is not extreme.

The total U.S. federal debt is approximately $9.5 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total in excess of $59 trillion.

My question: Do we qualify as a wealthy nation?

[Thomas Paine]

...and Barack Hussein Obama is promising even more expensive government programs. No thanks!

[HOLLYWOOD]

Ron Paul should run for the US Senate seat that Texas NEOCON/Nazi US Senator John Cornyn.

He's up for re-election. We know Ron can take Houston and Austin metro areas... just how much election tampering Cornyn and his Cronies would do with Big Business and corporate media is the question.

[Thomas Paine]

When is Cornyn up for re-election?

[Kade]

The total U.S. federal debt is approximately $9.5 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total in excess of $59 trillion.

My question: Do we qualify as a wealthy nation?

No, we don't. The debate should be on what caused that debt....

Also, Social Security is a failed insurance plan, not an entitlement program... something few here seem to grasp.

[YoungPatriot]

He should start campaigning for 2012 now! And we should keep funding his campaign. Ron Paul is the only real candidate. His campaign was funded by the people. We the people of the United States of America funded this campaign. We the people of the United States of America want Ron Paul to be the president. I still have my Ron Paul sign up in my front yard and its not coming down. My entire street and everyone that drives down it is going to get it one day. Ill campaign for Ron Paul for the next 4 years. Ron Paul has gotten me so excited about politics and my boyfriend is a political science major. Political science makes you so depressed and pisses you off, but Ron Paul has given me hope. And we should keep backing him... The last thing we should do is give in and give up. This movement has to keep going. I heard an interview yesterday about how the tri-latteral commision(Bilderberg) isnt worried about Ron Paul running for president, what worries them is the movement he's built. If it just dies out, they win. We can't let them win.

Keep spreading the word! Keep marching! Keep fighting the good fight!

[BlufftonTiger]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

The cost of Obama’s socialized programs pale in comparison to what we spend for the war in Iraq. What’s even better is that they don’t come at the expense of American lives.

FYI, I will never vote for Obama, but if Paul's not on a ticket, I might have to vote for Barr.

[ClayTrainor]

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.



And then get sent to pakistan and afghanistan. :(

[YoungPatriot]

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

The cost of Obama’s socialized programs pale in comparison to what we spend for the war in Iraq. What’s even better is that they don’t come at the expense of American lives.

FYI, I will never vote for Obama, but if Paul's not on a ticket, I might have to vote for Barr.

How do you know Obama = Troops come home? He has been supporting the funding of the war, even though he says he's against the war. See, the president can take the troops to war without the approval of congress, its illegal, but he can still do it. The only thing congress can do about it is to stop giving him funding. Ron Paul never votes for funding this war.

[AzNsOuLjAh27]

What should Ron Paul do now?

Major poll at http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-06-06/poll-what-should-ron-paul-do-now/

Results so far:

# Stay in the Republican race and continue efforts to take back the GOP (92)
# Launch a new Presidential campaign as an independent or third party candidate (87)
# Drop out and endorse John McCain (1)
# Drop out and endorse Bob Barr (13)
# Drop out and endorse Chuck Baldwin (1)
# Drop out and endorse Barack Obama (70)
# Other (2)


You are retarded, go away.

McCain is fucking insane and wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years
Bob Bar voted for the patriot act
Baldwin is too damn religious
Osama Hussien is going invade Iran, while enforcing a Carbon Tax
Other: Do not drop out, and continue campaigning until he gets more recognition

[FindLiberty]

Divide et impera? (Warning: Divide and conquer tactic used against "us" here.)

More candidates, more political parties, RP supporters considering voting for BHO?... These are all ways to keep the Liberty carrot on the end of the stick, but just out of reach, forever! WE NEED TO GET BEHIND ONE CANDIDATE and that candidate needs to bring this movement together in order to succeed.

Unless voters (can get a quick education, wake up and) get behind ONE good candidate for POTUS, BHO will win by a landslide and leave the GOP with a stinging defeat. The mainstream media is working hard to make that happen and unfortunately for the country, there will only be two candidates in "the debates"and one of only two choices reported to be "leading" in the polls.

It's too bad Ron Paul and his message were marginalized from the beginning by the MSM, but that message still got out and the response was stunning!

The masses are too easily fooled and the RP.Liberty movement was not positioned (or RP's paid team skilled enough) to compete with the horrid MSM/gov propaganda. Even worse, the masses seem fixated on voting for a "winner", as they elect another loser, every time.

The elections are usually just a farce anyhow, but they always get everybody whipped up arguing about the lesser of two (mainstream) evils. Nothing threatens to change the status quo: Government ALWAYS grows and freedom slowly dies.

This time it might turn out different because of GOP backlash, war, Economy and RP's Liberty message cutting away at the popular propaganda and lies. The RP grassroots movement still needs leadership and a single candidate to rally behind... Be careful not to self-destruct as this process grinds on!

I hope Ron Paul can offer leadership (an endorsement?) and advice to the grassroots movement on how to proceed.

[Kade]

Divide et impera? (Warning: Divide and conquer tactic used against "us" here.)

More candidates, more political parties, RP supporters considering voting for BHO?... These are all ways to keep the Liberty carrot on the end of the stick, but just out of reach, forever! WE NEED TO GET BEHIND ONE CANDIDATE and that candidate needs to bring this movement together in order to succeed.

Unless voters (can get a quick education, wake up and) get behind ONE good candidate for POTUS, BHO will win by a landslide and leave the GOP with a stinging defeat. The mainstream media is working hard to make that happen and unfortunately for the country, there will only be two candidates in "the debates"and one of only two choices reported to be "leading" in the polls.

It's too bad Ron Paul and his message were marginalized from the beginning by the MSM, but that message still got out and the response was stunning!

The masses are too easily fooled and the RP.Liberty movement was not positioned (or RP's paid team skilled enough) to compete with the horrid MSM/gov propaganda. Even worse, the masses seem fixated on voting for a "winner", as they elect another loser, every time.

The elections are usually just a farce anyhow, but they always get everybody whipped up arguing about the lesser of two (mainstream) evils. Nothing threatens to change the status quo: Government ALWAYS grows and freedom slowly dies.

This time it might turn out different because of GOP backlash, war, Economy and RP's Liberty message cutting away at the popular propaganda and lies. The RP grassroots movement still needs leadership and a single candidate to rally behind... Be careful not to self-destruct as this process grinds on!

I hope Ron Paul can offer leadership (an endorsement?) and advice to the grassroots movement on how to proceed.

Absolutism is not a road to freedom.

People view liberty differently, and that is itself a right... that anyone would argue that certain liberties are not in fact freedoms, is a trait of dictators and fascists... that is the reality.

Ron Paul stands for freedom 89% of the time. No candidate is ever going to bring together everything... there is no carrot, there is not stick. The sooner you learn this, the sooner you are not overly disappointed in your life.

[Jason T]

When Obama says "I'm going to bring out troops hope," by "troops" they mean "combat troops," and combat troops means troops who are there for purposes other than policing streets and training Iraqi soldiers, and in the end, the 'combat troops' are a fraction of the force we have in Iraq. Analysts who looked at Obama's plan say he'll leave about 80,000 troops when he finishes his first term.

Those same analysts say he has the worst plan possible, because we're trying to stay the same course with less manpower, when we already lack the manpower to carry out the military side of our current mission. Until Obama says he's going to appeal to Iraq neighbors for help, he's going to be dubbed pro-war in my book.

[SLSteven]

When Obama says "I'm going to bring out troops hope," by "troops" they mean "combat troops," and combat troops means troops who are there for purposes other than policing streets and training Iraqi soldiers, and in the end, the 'combat troops' are a fraction of the force we have in Iraq. Analysts who looked at Obama's plan say he'll leave about 80,000 troops when he finishes his first term.

Those same analysts say he has the worst plan possible, because we're trying to stay the same course with less manpower, when we already lack the manpower to carry out the military side of our current mission. Until Obama says he's going to appeal to Iraq neighbors for help, he's going to be dubbed pro-war in my book.

Obama "says" a lot of things.

[damon04]

What should Ron Paul do?

Stay in the Republican race and continue efforts to take back the GOP 984 35% of all votes
Launch a new Presidential campaign as an independent or third party candidate 1279 46% of all votes
Drop out and endorse John McCain 63 2% of all votes
Drop out and endorse Bob Barr 84 3% of all votes
Drop out and endorse Chuck Baldwin 20 1% of all votes
Drop out and endorse Barack Obama 319 11% of all votes
Other (explain in the comments section)

[FreedomRings]

What a shallow generalization.

Obama's support is strongest among the college educated, upper class.... the professional class.

Well, I'm sure these people have a big heart and good intentions, but I doubt many of them have thought things through and know what they're getting themselves into. Obama is quite seductive and charismatic, but when it comes down to it he is nothing more than a cartoonish snake oil huckster with very little substance. "Change we can believe in" sounds like a slogan taken from a communist propaganda movie, or from something like 1984. And my stomach turns every time I read this statement on his website: "I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington... I'm asking you to believe in yours." How could anyone actually fall for this? I don't get it. Grrrr... :eek:

Anyway, looks like Ron Paul is staying in the GOP for better or for worse... I don't think it's the best course of action but maybe there is something we don't know (yet).

[Carole]

LLL (Fold)...Ron PaulRepublican...(Fold)_I_I_I

Best fold I could make. :D

[Carole]

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

The cost of Obama’s socialized programs pale in comparison to what we spend for the war in Iraq. What’s even better is that they don’t come at the expense of American lives.

FYI, I will never vote for Obama, but if Paul's not on a ticket, I might have to vote for Barr.

Obama is not going to bring troops home. He wants to send them to Afghanistan. But in fact, they will still be in both places.

[Kade]

Well, I'm sure these people have a big heart and good intentions, but I doubt many of them have thought things through and know what they're getting themselves into. Obama is quite seductive and charismatic, but when it comes down to it he is nothing more than a cartoonish snake oil huckster with very little substance. "Change we can believe in" sounds like a slogan taken from a communist propaganda movie, or from something like 1984. And my stomach turns every time I read this statement on his website: "I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington... I'm asking you to believe in yours." How could anyone actually fall for this? I don't get it. Grrrr... :eek:

Anyway, looks like Ron Paul is staying in the GOP for better or for worse... I don't think it's the best course of action but maybe there is something we don't know (yet).

Many people, intelligent people at that, can defend a mild form of socialism philosophically, very well.

That Obama is charismatic is only interesting to me as far as it is rather refreshing, and won't hurt in foreign policy.