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qwerty
08-25-2007, 02:32 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=international+bankers

SPREAD IT, IT`S HELPS YOU RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE TO RON´S SIDE!!!

:cool:

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 03:18 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=international+bankers

SPREAD IT, IT`S HELPS YOU RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE TO RON´S SIDE!!!

:cool:

I got the link on my mailout blast
:cool:

qwerty
08-25-2007, 03:41 AM
I would produce some DVD`S with Ron´s slim jim in it!!!!

:cool:

Paulitician
08-25-2007, 03:53 AM
I think the only people it's most likely to recruit is the more conspiracy theorist crowd. I wouldn't recommend it for the general public. Solely Ron Paul material is more than enough to get people into this campaign. Perhaps if you wanted to educate the public on the Federal Reserve system and the IRS you should use a better, more reputable source. That needn't be tied to Ron Paul's campaign, though.

qwerty
08-25-2007, 03:55 AM
I think the only people it's most likely to recruit is the more conspiracy theorist crowd. I wouldn't recommend it for the general public. Solely Ron Paul material is more than enough to get people into this campaign. Perhaps if you wanted to educate the public on the Federal Reserve system and the IRS you should use a better, more reputable source. That needn't be tied to Ron Paul's campaign, though.

:confused:

I´m sure that video forces people to search for change, they will get SO ANGRY! I totally disagree with you!

LibertyEagle
08-25-2007, 03:57 AM
I would produce some DVD`S with Ron´s slim jim in it!!!!

:cool:

I wouldn't. If you want to send out videos along with the Slim Jims, there are plenty of Ron's own stuff that can be sent out, or even a video on the Federal Reserve put together by the Mises Institute, that Ron does endorse.

LibertyEagle
08-25-2007, 03:57 AM
:confused:

I´m sure that video forces people to search for change, they will get SO ANGRY! I totally disagree with you!

Then send out the video, but LEAVE OUT the slim jim.

qwerty
08-25-2007, 04:02 AM
Then send out the video, but LEAVE OUT the slim jim.

What an earth have WE to hide on ? ARON RUSSO ENDORSED RON.... :confused:

Do you think that the people who get angry cause of the video will find Ron as their candidate without slim jim...

JUST TAKE A LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE IN THIS BOARD, CAUSE OF THAT SINGLE VIDEO!

qwerty
08-25-2007, 04:04 AM
I wouldn't. If you want to send out videos along with the Slim Jims, there are plenty of Ron's own stuff that can be sent out, or even a video on the Federal Reserve put together by the Mises Institute, that Ron does endorse.

Yes, but the Ron´s own stuff don´t go as depp into these problems at that document. Hardest recruits need a HARD WAKE UP call.

When they hear Ron talk they just think, that he is just one politician who wants to get elected, when they see a good document like this which they can´t argue, they start looking for answers....

LibertyEagle
08-25-2007, 04:14 AM
Yes, but the Ron´s own stuff don´t go as depp into these problems at that document. Hardest recruits need a HARD WAKE UP call.

When they hear Ron talk they just think, that he is just one politician who wants to get elected, when they see a good document like this which they can´t argue, they start looking for answers....

Here's what I wish. I wish we knew whether Dr. Paul endorsed AFTF or not. That would make these decisions a lot easier.

I agree that some people need a wake up call, but it's my understanding that various parts of AFTF are inaccurate. That's my main issue. Since we have so many other choices of videos, I would chose something else, or just send out AFTF on its own, without associating it with Dr. Paul.

You have to make your own decision though.

qwerty
08-25-2007, 04:17 AM
Here's what I wish. I wish we knew whether Dr. Paul endorsed AFTF or not. That would make these decisions a lot easier.

I agree that some people need a wake up call, but it's my understanding that various parts of AFTF are inaccurate. That's my main issue. Since we have so many other choices of videos, I would chose something else, or just send out AFTF on its own, without associating it with Dr. Paul.

You have to make your own decision though.

Did he accept Russo´s endorsment, have he comment on it ?

Ok, people atleast spread the video, after seeing that you can´t want nothing else that search the ways to make differences!

BuddyRey
08-25-2007, 04:28 AM
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but I'm not very technologically proficient and was just wondering if there was anywhere I could find one of those "embed codes" of AFTF for MySpace profiles and the like. Thanks!

john_anderson_ii
08-25-2007, 05:03 AM
Here's my take.

None of the conspiracy theories matter one single iota!

Principles of liberty don't change! They have remained the same since human beings first formed families and a cultures. Think about these possibilties:

-Zionists* have taken control of the U.S. government
-Bankers have taken control of the U.S. economy**
-The government allowed 9/11 to happen to wage a war on Muslims
-Insert your theory of why things are so bad today here!


Does the reason for the decline of personal liberty really matter!?!? We all take it as a given that things just aren't right with this country. If we all agree on that, then lack of liberty is what we should target. Lets all fight for liberty, with our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor, as it should be done. After we win, we can take a look at whats been going on, and identify the cause. Until then, we can never win the latter without the former, so give the cause of liberty your all.

You want to hear my conspiracy theory?!? It has to do with a welfare induced nanny state. I honestly believe that those who wish to redistribute what little wealth my family has don't like me stand up to it. So they also support "gun control". You want to hear me sound like a conspiracy theorist? Here goes:

If any state or federal authority ever come for my guns, I'll give them the end they don't like until my last breath.

--There's a little conspiracy theorist in all of us. Tap into it; it could keep you safe and free.


*WTF is a Zionist? Save this board, I've never heard of them, never met one, and for the love of god don't tell me a Zionist is a Jew. I know plenty of Jews and they all seem pretty normal to me.
**This is one conspiracy theory I do agree with...something is wrong with our money, and that should scare every father in the country. It's the father's responsibility to feed, clothe and take of care of the family. How can we accomplish this goal when the very foundation this goal rests upon is threatened. Should we just go back to hunting and gathering and burning our Federal Reserve Notes to stay warm?
Gents, protect your families. If protecting your families means spreading the word of Dr. Paul, then that is a testament to how bad we need him running this country.

Slugg
08-25-2007, 05:03 AM
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but I'm not very technologically proficient and was just wondering if there was anywhere I could find one of those "embed codes" of AFTF for MySpace profiles and the like. Thanks!

Not sure if you really want to put a 2 hour movie on your myspace page, but here's the trailer....it's a great intro. And if this doesn't get someone to watch it, then they wouldn't have sat through the entire movie on your page anyway.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0

Go to the "Embed" section right under the video, copy and paste it into myspace.

trispear
08-25-2007, 05:47 AM
I wouldn't. If you want to send out videos along with the Slim Jims, there are plenty of Ron's own stuff that can be sent out, or even a video on the Federal Reserve put together by the Mises Institute, that Ron does endorse.

I agree - that video seems truthy and hokey in parts. Like where he asks if people ever seen the law where to pay taxes or not.

Hell, I never seen the law against murder! As in what section it is in and so on and so forth. But I know it's against the law. That will be some people's reaction to that question.

Look, I don't want to start a 16th amendment debate, I just think that Ron's own stuff is mainstream enough compared to this. I would even recommend the Money Masters over this. It's not bad, but out there in some parts - and it will turn people off.

What is that Mises Institute video by the way? Never heard of it.

BuddyRey
08-25-2007, 06:05 AM
Not sure if you really want to put a 2 hour movie on your myspace page, but here's the trailer....it's a great intro. And if this doesn't get someone to watch it, then they wouldn't have sat through the entire movie on your page anyway.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0

Go to the "Embed" section right under the video, copy and paste it into myspace.

Cool! Thanks for the tip!

Alabama Supporter
08-25-2007, 06:57 AM
Please target your audience. The general public does not appreciate movies like AFTF. I know some of you were "woken up" by the move, but we are dealing with the American sheeple in this election.

1. The movie is boring. I know I turned it off after 10 minutes.

2. It is borderline conspiracy theory, and the general public doesn't buy conspiracy theory.

3. There are plenty of Ron Paul clips you could win these people over with. Heck, just send them one of aravoth's videos.

In the end, use your own judgment. This is just my take.

bc2208
08-25-2007, 07:36 AM
Aaron Russo died yesterday.

ARealConservative
08-25-2007, 08:14 AM
I feel the film was fairly accurate.

It is propoganda however, and people can't lose site of that. There are no error's in the film, but like all effective messages, it does use a bit of quote mining and sensationalism.

The truth is those are the tacticts that continue to be used in the campaign to strip of us our freedoms as well. Some times you have to fight fire with fire.

So I wouldn't expect any endorsement by Dr. Paul of the film, but I don't expect him to come out and denounce it either.

Personally I discovered Aaron Russo from being a Ron Paul supporter, but many of my meetup group members learned of Dr. Paul from FTF. So as to its effectiveness - The proof is in the pudding as far as I'm concerned.

jd603
08-25-2007, 09:01 AM
This is a very, very good documentary and over time I think it will go down in history as one of the best but for now the powers that be are suppressing it, the same way they are suppressing the announcement of Russo's death, they don't want to draw attention to the movie.

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 11:29 AM
What an earth have WE to hide on ? ARON RUSSO ENDORSED RON.... :confused:

Do you think that the people who get angry cause of the video will find Ron as their candidate without slim jim...

JUST TAKE A LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE IN THIS BOARD, CAUSE OF THAT SINGLE VIDEO!

just ignore them..they're paid disinfo trolls constantly bashing Ron Paul supporters who support Aaron's work

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 11:33 AM
I agree - that video seems truthy and hokey in parts. Like where he asks if people ever seen the law where to pay taxes or not.

Hell, I never seen the law against murder! As in what section it is in and so on and so forth. But I know it's against the law. That will be some people's reaction to that question.

Look, I don't want to start a 16th amendment debate, I just think that Ron's own stuff is mainstream enough compared to this. I would even recommend the Money Masters over this. It's not bad, but out there in some parts - and it will turn people off.

What is that Mises Institute video by the way? Never heard of it.
paid disinfo troll

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 11:34 AM
Please target your audience. The general public does not appreciate movies like AFTF. I know some of you were "woken up" by the move, but we are dealing with the American sheeple in this election.

1. The movie is boring. I know I turned it off after 10 minutes.

2. It is borderline conspiracy theory, and the general public doesn't buy conspiracy theory.

3. There are plenty of Ron Paul clips you could win these people over with. Heck, just send them one of aravoth's videos.

In the end, use your own judgment. This is just my take.

paid disinfo troll

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 11:36 AM
short video in memory of Aaron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

tmg19103
08-25-2007, 11:49 AM
This vid is too long. 4 or five minutes touting RP like in the best YouTubes out there is what will do the trick.

ThePieSwindler
08-25-2007, 11:52 AM
paid disinfo troll

paid provacateur.

just kidding, but someone had to counter :-p. Relax man not everyone that is skeptical of strong, sometimes fantastical claims is a cointelpro agent or w/e. Its disingenious to go around calling everyone paid disinfo trolls just because they don't conform to a worldview that you hold. I actually tend to think closer to what you do about issues than many, but you have to understand that just beecause someone does not think 9/11 was an inside job, and puts some evidence supporting their case forth, does not mean they are disinfo agents or enemies of the Ron Paul campaign. We are all here to get Ron Paul elected. Look for people who try to misrepresent Ron or people who are intentionally obnoxious when out campaigning for Ron, almost seemingly trying to turn people off - those are the REAL enemies of freedom, along with the neocons and socialists.

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 11:57 AM
paid provacateur.

Its disingenious to go around calling everyone paid disinfo trolls

Just place this troll on ignore

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 12:00 PM
This vid is too long.

For Aaron fans, 4 minutes in his memory is not enough, troll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

ThePieSwindler
08-25-2007, 12:00 PM
Just place this troll on ignore

wow dude you completely disregarded the rest of my post. I AGREE with you in principle but its fucking absurd to go around calling everyone a paid disinfo troll for even the slightest disagreement. Thats something sean hannity would do. Fuck man id consider myself a truther and an Alex Jones patriot, but just because someone isnt, doesnt mean they arent ultimately on our side. The key is to keep a big picture perspective - its not just about 9/11 truth, about exposing the government- its ultimately about FREEDOM, LIBERTY, and small government. 9/11 is just another example of the government covering lies up - it is not a be all, end all cause.

But proceed to pick one sentance from this and call me a troll.

That being said, Aaron Russo was a true patriot. Sad to hear his passing. And this is a good movie too, its not boring IMO, especially near the end. Central banks are bad news, why do you think jackson worked his entire presidency to try to fight them off?

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 12:02 PM
In memory of Aaron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

ThePieSwindler
08-25-2007, 12:03 PM
In memory of Aaron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

Great video.

leipo
08-25-2007, 12:05 PM
Just place this troll on ignore


Yes i just placed you on ignore, Electric Church.

The movie is indeed borderline conspiracy and would turn a lot of people off. I wouldn't associate it with Ron Paul too much.

Electric Church
08-25-2007, 12:18 PM
AFTF is a great movie, a major threat to those who are destroying America...

In memory of a true patriot, God bless Aaron Russo and may God have mercy on those who are unknowingly contributing to the destruction of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

cjhowe
08-25-2007, 12:24 PM
AFTF is a great movie, a major threat to those who are destroying America...

In memory of a true patriot, God bless Aaron Russo and may God have mercy on those who are unknowingly contributing to the destruction of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAv5I6jyI8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2F august2007%2F250807%5Fb%5Frusso%2Ehtm

Thank you Canada.

ThePieSwindler
08-25-2007, 12:25 PM
Thank you Canada.

paid disinfo troll. ;)

cjhowe
08-25-2007, 12:53 PM
paid disinfo troll. ;)

I can't wait for those disinfo bucks to start rolling in. Was I supposed to contract before or after I posted. Damn, snookered again.

ThePieSwindler
08-25-2007, 12:57 PM
I can't wait for those disinfo bucks to start rolling in. Was I supposed to contract before or after I posted. Damn, snookered again.

haha. (hopefully you picked up that i was being sarcastic)

SWATH
08-25-2007, 12:57 PM
I think Ron did endorse AFTF in an airport rally in Arizona. Someone asked what his thoughts were about spreading the message with movies like AFTF. His response was something like, Yes I think it is a good idea and a way to get the truth out there, AFTF done by Aaron Russo which I am in are are vehicles for getting it out. You could probably find it on youtube.

Mr. White
08-25-2007, 01:04 PM
I watched it for the first time last night. The bits on the IRS and Fed are fine. He supports his statements with a reasonable amount of evidence provided through testimonials. By the end he was using a lot more voiceovers of himself. If your speaking more than your evidence, it ain't a documentary. When I show the movie to someone, I will admit to them that some of this stuff is theory, some is fact, but it should all at least challenge them to think.

cjhowe
08-25-2007, 01:10 PM
haha. (hopefully you picked up that i was being sarcastic)

LOL...i assumed it was Electric Troll's post...either way, it works.

cjhowe
08-25-2007, 01:13 PM
I watched it for the first time last night. The bits on the IRS and Fed are fine. He supports his statements with a reasonable amount of evidence provided through testimonials. By the end he was using a lot more voiceovers of himself. If your speaking more than your evidence, it ain't a documentary. When I show the movie to someone, I will admit to them that some of this stuff is theory, some is fact, but it should all at least challenge them to think.

Have you come to any conclusions about either of the claims (the Conspiracy Fed or There is no FIT law)?

jd603
08-25-2007, 01:46 PM
http://isohunt.com/download/15032654/America%3AFreedom+to+Fascism

Heavily Seeded torrent of a DivX version of the movie.

Highest quality DVD is available at http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

Mr. White
08-25-2007, 01:59 PM
Have you come to any conclusions about either of the claims (the Conspiracy Fed or There is no FIT law)?

As far as the idea of the Fed, I think the vast majority of its proponents probably feel it to be the best method by which private industry can regulate itself. I dislike the system, but am aware of the radical destruction its removal would render upon the general population. Long-term, I think its removal looks nice on paper.

Sure, I think a few people in the higher echelons are perfectly aware of the stranglehold they have on our nation's debt and would seek to maintain it for their own benefit. I think the vast majority however, see it as the system in which America industrialized and evolved. They may feel it isn't perfect, and admit that it will eventually need to be corrected, but are unwilling to relinquish their good intentions and stock portfolios. I understand and empathize with that perspective.

Along that line I think many good-intentioned folks feel that the income tax is a necessary evil to maintaining our nation’s current economic system. It has been surmised by many that the income tax is solely in existence to pay off the interest accrued. Since these two things go hand in hand, it only stands to reason that one would have to be in favor of, or an opponent to, both.

As far as there actually being a law for paying the income tax, I have never seen it (take that for what it’s worth). I think the current problem arises out a general lack of understanding of the importance of precedent within America’s courts. I also think that any judge within his right mind would be reluctant to hear these cases in favor of the tax-dodger. Regardless of the Constitution, any Federal appellate ruling affirming that the income tax is not enforceable would throw open the door to a large number of questions and laws which could only be legislated by Congress. In the meantime, the public reaction to not having to pay income tax, and the idea that they never had to, would cripple our government, the Federal Reserve, and our economy as a whole. It’s a very fine house of cards we’ve built and I don’t think many with real authority will be willing to bump the table. Again, I don’t blame them.

In short, do I feel there is some enormous, dark conspiracy? No. I think this situation was propagated by some greedy and intelligent bankers, and some well-meaning, but power-hungry statesmen. Within the flawed system they spawned, America thrived. Whether or not that success was a result of the system is debatable, but for those who grew up within it, I think it's perfectly understandable that they would see it as necessary and ideal.

cjhowe
08-25-2007, 04:09 PM
As far as the idea of the Fed, I think the vast majority of its proponents probably feel it to be the best method by which private industry can regulate itself. I dislike the system, but am aware of the radical destruction its removal would render upon the general population. Long-term, I think its removal looks nice on paper.

Sure, I think a few people in the higher echelons are perfectly aware of the stranglehold they have on our nation's debt and would seek to maintain it for their own benefit. I think the vast majority however, see it as the system in which America industrialized and evolved. They may feel it isn't perfect, and admit that it will eventually need to be corrected, but are unwilling to relinquish their good intentions and stock portfolios. I understand and empathize with that perspective.



Very interesting perspective. Thank you for that. Now that you have a little bit of background, instead of joining the distribution ring of A:F2F, go back and read the history of central banking in America, through a non conspiracy channel. It will be dry material and won't have any music to accelerate your heart rate or play on your emotions or fear. However, it will give you a basis of understanding monetary policy.

What puts Ron Paul at ends with the Federal Reserve is not conspiracy (though he may use the rhetoric of the elite at times), but competing economic schools of thought. Ron Paul is a follower of the Austrian School of Economics that is in simple words, the laissez-faire approach. The problem with central banking and the Federal Reserve is that it allows our government to easily undermine the market by borrowing to pay for its objectives, objectives that the federal government should have no role in to begin with (like socialized medicine, education, or pre-emptive wars). If Congress respected their obligation to uphold the Constitution, the only role of the Fed would be to make up for temporary shortfalls when tax revenues didn't match expectations. But because our Congress needs to bring home the pork to get the campaign contributions so they can win the next election, they're all too willing support programs that the government has no reason to be in and then borrow from the Fed to make up for the shortfall.

The problem with the Fed is that it is a vehicle used to undermine our social contract. If you get rid of the Fed, it's much more difficult for the Congress to have programs that undermine the Constitution.


Along that line I think many good-intentioned folks feel that the income tax is a necessary evil to maintaining our nation’s current economic system. It has been surmised by many that the income tax is solely in existence to pay off the interest accrued. Since these two things go hand in hand, it only stands to reason that one would have to be in favor of, or an opponent to, both.

As far as there actually being a law for paying the income tax, I have never seen it (take that for what it’s worth). I think the current problem arises out a general lack of understanding of the importance of precedent within America’s courts. I also think that any judge within his right mind would be reluctant to hear these cases in favor of the tax-dodger. Regardless of the Constitution, any Federal appellate ruling affirming that the income tax is not enforceable would throw open the door to a large number of questions and laws which could only be legislated by Congress. In the meantime, the public reaction to not having to pay income tax, and the idea that they never had to, would cripple our government, the Federal Reserve, and our economy as a whole. It’s a very fine house of cards we’ve built and I don’t think many with real authority will be willing to bump the table. Again, I don’t blame them.

To put your mind at rest on their being a law, the simplified history.

1) Wilson-Gorman Tariff of 1894 created the income tax (there were others before it that were repealed by Congress, so that lineage isn't necessary, likewise there were other tariff acts that followed that superseded it.)
2) The Supreme Court Case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., 157 U.S. 428 (1895), said that it was unconstitutional
*Note the SCOTUS ruling that a law is unconstitutional does not repeal the law, it simply makes it unenforceable.
3) The Congress and the States ratified the 16th Amendment, thus overriding the Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co SCOTUS ruling.



In short, do I feel there is some enormous, dark conspiracy? No. I think this situation was propagated by some greedy and intelligent bankers, and some well-meaning, but power-hungry statesmen. Within the flawed system they spawned, America thrived. Whether or not that success was a result of the system is debatable, but for those who grew up within it, I think it's perfectly understandable that they would see it as necessary and ideal.