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Zeichen
06-05-2008, 09:39 PM
I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

CoreyBowen999
06-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Ill be the first to say welcome :)

yongrel
06-05-2008, 09:42 PM
Welcome. I hope we can change your mind. ;)

angelatc
06-05-2008, 09:43 PM
We've got lots of ex-neocons here, me included.

You might be looking for MattCollins. I think he just got booted from Hannity's site.

Perry
06-05-2008, 09:43 PM
I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

A right wing Zionist Republican welcomes you.:)

Zeichen
06-05-2008, 09:44 PM
At least we agree that talk-radio and hannity/colmes are annoying.

Kotin
06-05-2008, 09:47 PM
At least we agree that talk-radio and hannity/colmes are annoying.

we do indeed, and we can go from there.


I welcome you.

:D

lucius
06-05-2008, 09:47 PM
Ho, Bean & welcome!

Danke
06-05-2008, 09:52 PM
If you said exneo-con, I'd welcome you. But if you are still a neo-con, no thank you. I was in the military and have over 100 combat missions in Iraq. I have no time for neo-cons.

sidster
06-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Hell, we seem to have accepted barr around these pages.

OptionsTrader
06-05-2008, 10:52 PM
Hell, we seem to have accepted barr around these pages.

"We" is a bigger word that it appears.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
06-05-2008, 11:01 PM
I am a former neo-con and I say welcome. Thank you for actually taking the time to come here and see what we have to say instead of just dismissing us without hearing us out. I hope you find some interesting topics and that you will become involved.

Bryan
06-05-2008, 11:15 PM
Hi- yes, everyone is welcome- we operate under the principles of forum guidelines (at least we try our best :)). So long as you work to follow them like everyone else you're more than welcome. See:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22

Cheers! :)

-Bryan, Admin and ex-neocon

amy31416
06-06-2008, 04:44 AM
Welcome. We have plenty of former neo-cons here, hope you are someday one of them. :)

BuckOFive
06-06-2008, 05:53 AM
If they can accept an ex-liberal they can accept anyone! ;)

Ozwest
06-06-2008, 06:15 AM
If the Republican Party hadn't treated Dr. Paul so badly, maybe more would be on-board.

The Republicans are out-dated, and going to lose badly.

Not saying the Dem's are any better...

Bruno
06-06-2008, 06:52 AM
Welcome. After you've had some time to look around, it'd be interesting to get your take. There's much to learn here that you would never read on a Hannity forum.

Ozwest
06-06-2008, 06:56 AM
I blame Hannity-forum types for electing Bush and Cheney.

Dick-heads.

nobody's_hero
06-06-2008, 07:11 AM
Although I have never voted before, my views were most in line with the neo-conservatives.

I am proud to say that this year will be my first time participating in an election, at any level, and my first vote won't be going to support neo-cons.

ARealConservative
06-06-2008, 07:54 AM
I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

welcome

Let's start by me guessing your world view

You believe in limited government - you are a conservative because you have a humble view of what government can accomplish. Yet you throw it all out the window when it comes to our military. It's quite likely that you have a long list of mistakes we have made domestically, but you generally approve of each and every war we have been involved in. You have no problems with the 130 countries we occupy around the world and feel the number one risk to our country is Islamic fundamentalism.

So, how did I do?

Ozwest
06-06-2008, 07:56 AM
welcome

Let's start by me guessing your world view

You believe in limited government - you are a conservative because you have a humble view of what government can accomplish. Yet you throw it all out the window when it comes to our military. It's quite likely that you have a long list of mistakes we have made domestically, but you generally approve of each and every war we have been involved in. You have no problems with the 130 countries we occupy around the world and feel the number one risk to our country is Islamic fundamentalism.

So, how did I do?

Nice.:D

Omphfullas Zamboni
06-06-2008, 08:47 AM
So, after how many pages will this conversation turn into a flame war?

http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl2895195875.jpg (http://uploads.screenshot-program.com)

ARealConservative
06-06-2008, 08:51 AM
So, after how many pages will this conversation turn into a flame war?


depends on how well he likes seeing his logical fallacies torn to shreds.

Ozwest
06-06-2008, 08:51 AM
So, after how many pages will this conversation turn into a flame war?

http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl2895195875.jpg (http://uploads.screenshot-program.com)
Can I mount that to the front of my loader?

Send instructions please.

Hooly Dooly!

Omphfullas Zamboni
06-06-2008, 08:57 AM
Can I mount that to the front of my loader?

Send instructions please.

Hooly Dooly!

Here is the original article, for anyone willing to take a detour:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/01/the-firebreathing-wheelchair-is-the-best-worst-idea-on-four-whee/

Alright. I apologize for my deviation; continue with the original intent of the thread, if you like.

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni

Ozwest
06-06-2008, 09:09 AM
Here is the original article, for anyone willing to take a detour:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/01/the-firebreathing-wheelchair-is-the-best-worst-idea-on-four-whee/

Alright. I apologize for my deviation; continue with the original intent of the thread, if you like.

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni
Mmmm...

Need flamethrower instructions.

Might experiment with the BBQ tomorrow...

Omphfullas Zamboni
06-06-2008, 09:14 AM
Mmmm...

Need flamethrower instructions.

Might experiment with the BBQ tomorrow...

Haha. :) The least you might end up with are some finely-cooked ribs and chicken.

Here's a comment from the article: "It begs the question: how exactly does one get one's hands on a flamethrower? I ask merely out of curiosity. And out of a desire for a flamethrower."

Romantarchist
06-06-2008, 03:37 PM
To Zeichen!

Welcome to the Ron Paul Forums! It's nice of you to join us. :)

I have a request for you: I want you to watch the following 3 videos whenever you have the free time to, so you'll see what our movement is all about. If you watch all 3 and tell us your opinions of them, I definitely think that you'll be welcome here. All 3 videos can be viewed on Google Video.

The first one is called "America: Freedom To Fascism", it's about the IRS and the Federal Reserve. The movie argues that neither one of these things should exist, because they place the power of the government in the hands of a select few, shady people.

The next one is called "The Energy Non-Crisis". Since you said you support McCain, this one should be of interest to you. He said on the radio this morning that he want to make America energy independent. This video is like an "obscure history lesson" that will show why it's going to be extremely hard to do that. It also explains why gasoline is $4 a gallon today.

The third one is called "Money As Debt", and it explains why the current monetary system of the United States is just awful (and also unconstitutional) and needs to be changed immediately. If you ever hear Ron Paul talk about "monetary policy", you'll understand what he means after watching this.

Happy viewing. :D

Zeichen
06-06-2008, 05:59 PM
I'll try to watch the videos when I have more time.

As to the prediction of my views... Yeah, I believe government generally damages the economy by unneeded intervention, and is inefficient and wasteful. In some cases intervention must be done, but carefully and only when necessary. Socially, I tend to support the individual's right to do what he wants, so long as it doesn't hurt others (as I believe drugs and abortion do). Religious beliefs do come in sometimes, but, for example, while I do not support gay marriage, I'd be okay with civil unions.

As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

But that's a completely different topic, and I have no intention of arguing that here. Cheers.

LittleLightShining
06-06-2008, 06:21 PM
depends on how well he likes seeing his logical fallacies torn to shreds.Nice attitude. :rolleyes:

Welcome, Zeichen. Most of us are friendly. Really.

aspiringconstitutionalist
06-07-2008, 09:05 PM
Welcome from a former Rudy supporter. Looks like I had the exact same political philosophy as you did just 8 months ago.

Shoot away with the questions.

EDIT: Oh, and I just realized that the link in my signature (RonPaulIsWrong.com) might be right up your alley.

rpfan2008
06-08-2008, 05:12 AM
Welcome from a former Rudy supporter. Looks like I had the exact same political philosophy as you did just 8 months ago.

Shoot away with the questions.

EDIT: Oh, and I just realized that the link in my signature (RonPaulIsWrong.com) might be right up your alley.

thanks for that link in ur sig.:)

USAFCapt
06-16-2008, 12:14 AM
As to the prediction of my views... Yeah, I believe government generally damages the economy by unneeded intervention, and is inefficient and wasteful. In some cases intervention must be done, but carefully and only when necessary. Socially, I tend to support the individual's right to do what he wants, so long as it doesn't hurt others (as I believe drugs and abortion do)...

Check on wasteful. Intervention only when necessary: please site the cases when it was necessary and how the federal government helped.
Check on individual rights, but how do drugs tend to hurt others?

tonesforjonesbones
06-16-2008, 09:35 AM
Well..I would say killing and stealing to get money or things to buy drugs would be hurting others. Drug deals gone wrong hurt others. If they are legalized ...maybe that would stop the drug crimes. I think crack cocaine might make people aggressive. Meth would also. It depends on the drug. I consider pot ok. It has a tendency to mellow people out. Alcohol causes aggression in many people.

tonesforjonesbones
06-16-2008, 09:45 AM
What is a Neo Con? Neo Con means new conservative. That would be the far left loons who migrated to the Republican Party due to the political philosophy of Leo Strauss, a political science professor at University of Chicago. the first neo con was Irving Kristol, father of William Kristol. Paul Wolfowitz got his PHD under Leo Strauss. Leo Strauss was a russian immigrant of jewish /atheist persuasion...a bolshevik communist , who was a former Trotskyite. He altered his worldview when he came here to go to the right. He considered using religion as a tool to control the masses..but he was an athiest. He believed the masses needed to be lied to in order to convince them to carry out the neo con agenda of expanding the USA..Imperialism to control the world. He believed in lots o war. This is all on the internet for you to research. I did. I am appalled at the Neo Conservative philosophy and the sooner we kick those jerks to the curb, the better. Here are some more neo cons. Libby, Feith, Kristol, Abrams, Schiff and Richard Pearle. TONES

josephadel_3
06-16-2008, 09:34 PM
Nope, GTFO

coyote_sprit
06-17-2008, 06:26 AM
Nope, GTFO

ROFLMAO

revolutionman
06-17-2008, 03:49 PM
I don't support 100% of Ron pauls position, but to me the fight for Liberty is not about agreeing with ron paul its about getting back to a political system that respects the constitution and respects the american people. there can be liberal and conservative candidates that differ on many issues, but still pay the proper respect due to the law of the land. I'm not a republican or a conservative, i come from very liberal lines of thought, but rather than just rallying behind a party or a figure head, I pick and choose my own battles carefully. Thats why despite my difference in platform, there is a bigger far more imporant battle to be fought right now. There will be plenty of time left for bipartisan bickering once the republic is restored to its former glory. Without that, nothing else is worth while.

Working Poor
06-17-2008, 05:18 PM
Hey there I wonder how you would feel if what you wanted for your life was made illegal?

I am pro-life but I am sure making abortion illegal would not stop abortion. I don't think government ought to pay for it with my tax money. I think males and females need to take more responsibility for their actions especially their sexual action and parents need to be more open with their children and help them to understand that sex is not for kids.

As far as gay marriage goes I mean really what business is it of the governments or of yours or mine who someone chooses to partner with if they are a consenting adult? Making gay marriage illegal will not stop gay people from being together and it will not end homosexuality. What is the big deal what someone else does?

If being a Christian was illegal would you stop being a Christian? I doubt it....

revolutionman
06-18-2008, 05:24 AM
lord knows if being christian was mandatory I wouldn't do it!

silus
06-18-2008, 06:22 AM
I'll try to watch the videos when I have more time.

As to the prediction of my views... Yeah, I believe government generally damages the economy by unneeded intervention, and is inefficient and wasteful. In some cases intervention must be done, but carefully and only when necessary. Socially, I tend to support the individual's right to do what he wants, so long as it doesn't hurt others (as I believe drugs and abortion do). Religious beliefs do come in sometimes, but, for example, while I do not support gay marriage, I'd be okay with civil unions.

As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

But that's a completely different topic, and I have no intention of arguing that here. Cheers.
Let me get this straight, you are going to ask if you're welcome here, then run down a list of things people are very much opposed to, and then say you have no intention of arguing about that??? This should answer your first question for you.

LibertyIn08
06-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Let me get this straight, you are going to ask if you're welcome here, then run down a list of things people are very much opposed to, and then say you have no intention of arguing about that??? This should answer your first question for you.

I believe 'here' references the thread, not the entire forum.

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 11:22 AM
As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader.

I think that what many of us (Congressman Paul included) believe is that our status as a world leader would be enhanced more by setting a positive example at home than by projecting force across the globe. This indeed was the view held by the greatest of our Founding Fathers (including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams...) and it holds as true today as it did in their time.



And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example).

Yeah, we certainly seem to be on track to follow the example of Rome -- or, more recently, the Soviet Union.



I believe 'here' references the thread, not the entire forum.

Nonsense. If this fellow conducts himself as a gentleman, then so should we. I would hope that we here would be able to argue our case civilly, rather than following the very poor example of political discourse set by the Hannitys and O'Reillys of this world.

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:35 AM
I think that what many of us (Congressman Paul included) believe is that our status as a world leader would be enhanced more by setting a positive example at home than by projecting force across the globe. This indeed was the view held by the greatest of our Founding Fathers (including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams...) and it holds as true today as it did in their time.




Yeah, we certainly seem to be on track to follow the example of Rome -- or, more recently, the Soviet Union.




Nonsense. If this fellow conducts himself as a gentleman, then so should we. I would hope that we here would be able to argue our case civilly, rather than following the very poor example of political discourse set by the Hannitys and O'Reillys of this world.

I believe in the principles enshrined by your fore-fathers.

They were a beacon to the world.

But...

While you bicker about gay marriage and abortion, the rest of the world has moved on.

Elect Bush and Cheney for two terms gets you no cigars.

Now you look like simpletons.

Scary simpletons.

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 11:37 AM
Elect Bush and Cheney for two terms gets you no cigars.

Now you look like simpletons.

Scary simpletons.

Don't blame me. I didn't vote for them.

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:41 AM
Don't blame me. I didn't vote for them.

Sorry mate.

I get angry.

I don't like trading-in my V-8.:D

JS4Pat
06-19-2008, 11:44 AM
Hello and welcome.

I am shocked at the number of reformed neo-cons there are in this movement.

So hoping you will become another. :D

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:46 AM
What I understand is that there are few patriots.

This forum is not America.

And Ron Paul is a by-gone.

I was there from the beginning. This is not a political exercise anymore.

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:49 AM
Lazy-ass voters get what they deserve.

John McCain. Obama.

Yadda...yadda...yadda...

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 11:49 AM
Sorry mate.

I get angry.

I don't like trading-in my V-8.:D

Why did I just get a Road Warrior flashback? :D

http://content9.flixster.com/question/50/99/29/5099291_std.jpg

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 11:51 AM
And Ron Paul is a by-gone.



Seems to me that he's just getting warmed up. I've never seen him more energized, and he's getting more attention and garnering more influence than he ever has before.

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:52 AM
Why did I just get a Road Warrior flashback? :D

http://content9.flixster.com/question/50/99/29/5099291_std.jpg


Give me a 1970 Dodge Challenger.

And leave me alone...:D

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 11:58 AM
Seems to me that he's just getting warmed up. I've never seen him more energized, and he's getting more attention and garnering more influence than he ever has before.

This is true.

I had hoped for better.

He was truly Americas last chance.

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 12:03 PM
This is true.

I had hoped for better.

He was truly Americas last chance.

It often seems that way, certainly. But if there's one thing I find most admirable in the American Spirit, it is that it often manifests an inherent optimism.

In myself, I find that this leads me to believe that no matter how bad things become -- and I agree that they may become very, very bad -- the spark of Liberty will remain in the heart of "the Remnant", and a new day will eventually dawn, though night may long and dark indeed.

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 12:10 PM
It often seems that way, certainly. But if there's one thing I find most admirable in the American Spirit, it is that it often manifests an inherent optimism.

In myself, I find that this leads me to believe that no matter how bad things become -- and I agree that they may become very, very bad -- the spark of Liberty will remain in the heart of "the Remnant", and a new day will eventually dawn, though night may long and dark indeed.

I hope you are right.

I detect a degree of selfishness.

Unreality.

Soon you will have to roll up your sleeves.

Vince Lombardi time...

Spirit of '76
06-19-2008, 12:14 PM
I hope you are right.

I detect a degree of selfishness.

Unreality.

Soon you will have to roll up your sleeves.

Vince Lombardi time...

I hope so too. Perhaps I may seem a bit pie-eyed, but I harbor no illusions about the depths to which we may sink. And, as you allude, it pays to prepare for any eventuality...

Ozwest
06-19-2008, 12:22 PM
I hope so too. Perhaps I may seem a bit pie-eyed, but I harbor no illusions about the depths to which we may sink. And, as you allude, it pays to prepare for any eventuality...

"The good Lord gave you a body that can stand almost anything. It's your mind you have to convince."


Vince Lombardi -

Mongoose470
06-21-2008, 06:12 PM
Give me a 1970 Dodge Challenger.

And leave me alone...:D

No, I'll take The Interceptor

with a REAL supercharger.

Leave it to those wiley 'ol Aussies to make a motorhead's dream, even if it has the steering wheel on the wrong side :)

NH4RonPaul
06-21-2008, 06:32 PM
A right wing Zionist Republican welcomes you.:)


Zionism = Racism (promoting one race over another)

... and we don't like racism....

:(

LibertyIn08
06-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Nonsense. If this fellow conducts himself as a gentleman, then so should we. I would hope that we here would be able to argue our case civilly, rather than following the very poor example of political discourse set by the Hannitys and O'Reillys of this world.

That reply makes no sense in regards to my statement.

I was simply saying that I don't believe he wanted to discuss his philosophy with this specific thread, but rather elsewhere.

Spirit of '76
06-22-2008, 02:10 PM
That reply makes no sense in regards to my statement.

I was simply saying that I don't believe he wanted to discuss his philosophy with this specific thread, but rather elsewhere.

Thank you for clarifying. I mistakenly thought you were implying that he should confine himself to this single thread.

Todd
06-23-2008, 11:50 AM
I am a former Neo Con...so yes you are welcome.

fase2000tdi
06-25-2008, 12:00 AM
Until someone violates the rights of others, they should not be punished. You're kind of a dick for supporting drug laws.

Ozwest
06-25-2008, 02:53 AM
No, I'll take The Interceptor

with a REAL supercharger.

Leave it to those wiley 'ol Aussies to make a motorhead's dream, even if it has the steering wheel on the wrong side :)

God forbid.

White stripe fever!

Put your bollocks on the table. :D

Mongoose470
06-25-2008, 07:16 PM
God forbid.

White stripe fever!

Put your bollocks on the table. :D

Nevermind the bollocks, here's the Goosemobile!

http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/mongoose470/The%20Goosemobile/?action=view&current=camaro007.jpg

LibertyEagle
06-26-2008, 05:35 AM
As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

First of all, Zeichen, let me say, welcome to the Forums. :)

With regard to what you said above though, you do realize, don't you, that our country is close to bankruptcy?

By the way, if you're wanting to get a clearer picture of what this movement is all about, you might want to start by reading Ron Paul's new book, the Revolution. It's quite short and it will give you a good starting point in understanding what we're all about.
http://www.buy.com/prod/the-revolution-a-manifesto/q/loc/106/206857101.html

Again, welcome. :)

JosephTheLibertarian
06-26-2008, 10:51 AM
I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

lol. So you were that lone McCain vote in all of those "who will you vote for?" polls on here huh? ;)

kombayn
06-27-2008, 05:19 AM
I'll try to watch the videos when I have more time.

As to the prediction of my views... Yeah, I believe government generally damages the economy by unneeded intervention, and is inefficient and wasteful. In some cases intervention must be done, but carefully and only when necessary. Socially, I tend to support the individual's right to do what he wants, so long as it doesn't hurt others (as I believe drugs and abortion do). Religious beliefs do come in sometimes, but, for example, while I do not support gay marriage, I'd be okay with civil unions.

As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

But that's a completely different topic, and I have no intention of arguing that here. Cheers.

I really can't get behind your reasoning for our foreign policy. Why can't we as Americans not interfere with anyone's business? America is not the World Police and we are not fascists trying to force people into a way of thinking. We need a full free-market, free-trade (not NAFTA which is a fair-trade agreement), non-interventionist foreign policy. First priority in National Security is securing the nation, whether that be from poverty to violence on our streets and protecting our Bill of Rights. We have to work together in a free-market which is a mutual benefit deal between two parties. Lead by example, not force by example. It's two different common-laws and we have no right to intrude on other countries for our personal gain. You see what happens when we do... [Looks towards the falling dollar and soaring gas/food prices.]

Doktor_Jeep
06-27-2008, 09:37 PM
I keep seeing this thread....


neocons are not welcome.

My only hope for neocons is that I get to meet them on the highway - stepping over their bleached bones for they surely to go down with the nation they helped destroy.

I won't even feed them if they ask.

aspiringconstitutionalist
06-27-2008, 11:03 PM
I keep seeing this thread....


neocons are not welcome.

My only hope for neocons is that I get to meet them on the highway - stepping over their bleached bones for they surely to go down with the nation they helped destroy.

I won't even feed them if they ask.

It's a good thing I never met you when I was a neocon.

Doktor_Jeep
06-27-2008, 11:33 PM
It's a good thing I never met you when I was a neocon.

I don't believe in killing people when they think they are right.

It is perfereble to letting them live long enough to realize how badly they screwed up, and lament their mistakes.

Thus the only way for them to find peace is through God.


Of course, if they are trying to kill me, then I do what I have to. So far no neocons have personally attempted to kill me, but their policies may yet come to fruition for that end.


At the least, Saul of Tarsus was the "best" sinner in the world, and then on the Road to Damascus became Paul the Apostle, and the most zealous.

So perhaps there is always hope for the energy itself, misdirected at first, to find a better direction.

aspiringconstitutionalist
06-27-2008, 11:42 PM
I don't believe in killing people when they think they are right.

It is perfereble to letting them live long enough to realize how badly they screwed up, and lament their mistakes.

Thus the only way for them to find peace is through God.


Of course, if they are trying to kill me, then I do what I have to. So far no neocons have personally attempted to kill me, but their policies may yet come to fruition for that end.


At the least, Saul of Tarsus was the "best" sinner in the world, and then on the Road to Damascus became Paul the Apostle, and the most zealous.

So perhaps there is always hope for the energy itself, misdirected at first, to find a better direction.

What?

silus
06-28-2008, 01:20 PM
Neo Cons are only welcomed in hell.

aspiringconstitutionalist
06-29-2008, 12:09 AM
Neo Cons are only welcomed in hell.

I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.

MCockerill08
06-29-2008, 01:15 AM
I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.

QFT.

While the revolutionaries are, by and large, the most captivating, friendly, ardent, and interesting group of people I've ever met, Ron Paul's message of freedom of speech, association, ideology, and choice for EVERYBODY attracts, well, everybody!

silus
06-29-2008, 04:23 PM
I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.
The effort to interact with, educate and persuade self-described neo-cons is a waste of time. But i'll get out of the way.


No, certainly not that there is a 9/11 conspiracy. I still find that to be totally ridiculous and unfounded. (if the gov't did that, they certainly could take care of a bunch of middle aged men on youtube) But I do believe in a powerful, albeit not omniscient (as some would have us belief) globalist agenda, encompassing Washington politicians and central bankers that don't respect American soveriengtry.
There are many conspiracies within 9/11. Maybe you should at least settle for the most obvious, which is that our government did not conduct even a remotely credible investigation, for whatever reason. No one was held accountable, no one took blame. There was very little transparency in the investigation, the public still has no access to much of the evidence, there are still many questions that have not been addressed... That alone gives credibility to a 9/11 conspiracy. The subjects involved should not distort your perception. If this scenario was played out in a murder investigation, a conspiracy would clearly be more accepted. Why? Because the implications in one example are easier to swallow. Instead, people "objectively" construct an opinion of 9/11 with big brother watching over their shoulder, cautioning whenever a question you might have could lead to the government being implicated. Thats not how you form opinions on any matter.

porcupine
06-29-2008, 04:43 PM
I agree with Zeichen that China, Russia, etc are big threats to our economic well-being. That's why we need to stop wasting 1 trillion dollars a year on protecting Europe (let them do it themselves) and trying in vain to give freedom to nations that don't even want it. We should stop bankrupting ourselves so we can lower taxes and increase American competitiveness.

We should go back to Thomas Jefferson's model where we are more concerned with America's well-being and freedom than our bragging rights in the world

aspiringconstitutionalist
06-29-2008, 04:44 PM
The effort to interact with, educate and persuade self-described neo-cons is a waste of time. But i'll get out of the way.

Tell that to the patriots who spent months dialoguing with me, answering questions, putting up with my neocon views and stupidity, and finally converted me in October, 2007.

Tell that to all the hardcore neocons I spent months converting into Ron Paul Revolutionaries, namely my mother, my best friend, and my boss.

silus
06-30-2008, 12:48 PM
Alright, I acknowledge your point.

flpr86
07-12-2008, 11:56 AM
I hope Zeichen will watch and listen with at least an open mind, not with a mind that is closed and waiting to trash every thought others take their time to share with him/her.

I am new here in the forums myself, but not new to the movement of restoring our Republic! Great to be here!

It is wonderful to read my own thoughts, concerns, desires spoken by others here by so many diverse people ... what a great place ... and I also think the Ron Paul/Liberty Revolution is just getting started.

Thanks for being here!

Cowlesy
07-13-2008, 01:58 PM
I hope Zeichen will watch and listen with at least an open mind, not with a mind that is closed and waiting to trash every thought others take their time to share with him/her.

I am new here in the forums myself, but not new to the movement of restoring our Republic! Great to be here!

It is wonderful to read my own thoughts, concerns, desires spoken by others here by so many diverse people ... what a great place ... and I also think the Ron Paul/Liberty Revolution is just getting started.

Thanks for being here!

Welcome to the board flpr!

flpr86
07-13-2008, 02:14 PM
Thanks, Cowlesy .. great to be here! :cool:

Micah Dardar
08-27-2008, 09:33 PM
Everyone is welcome here I think. I was practically a socialist until I listened to Ron Paul. We are coming from all sides and returning to our Constitution. As for McCain, he unfortunately has no knowledge of the economy, and he's too trigger happy.

We are generally so conservative that we don't want to spend our money fighting silly wars. The best economic stimulus package would be to bring all our soldiers home and let them spend their hard earned money on American soil.

flpr86
08-28-2008, 05:06 AM
The problem is we have no mainstream candidate worthy of a vote.

It is totally embarrassing in this coke/pepsi world to have only two candidates that can actually make it to the white house, at least unless many people vote like my Navy friend tried to get everyone to vote last time around. I didn't do it because I was afraid I was throwing away my vote. Instead, I ended up throwing away my vote and I sent no statement to Washington either. Talk about a total waste.

This time, I am going to write in Ron Paul, unless there is a Libertarian party candidate worthy of my vote. Although, it would be more effective if there were more of us doing one of these two things to send a statement to Washington that we don't appreciate their candidates....either of their candidates.

The two candidates they have 'chosen' for us, scare the daylights out of me. Both will further destroy this country and more importantly, the Constitution ... and from two different directions. It makes me just want to scream, "Are you guys nutz!! How dare you put these two people out there and dare to call them candidates!"

Truth Warrior
08-28-2008, 05:11 AM
Just as welcome as a Paulista is on John's web forum.<IMHO> :D

LibertyEagle
08-28-2008, 05:19 AM
The two candidates they have 'chosen' for us, scare the daylights out of me. Both will further destroy this country and more importantly, the Constitution ... and from two different directions. It makes me just want to scream, "Are you guys nutz!! How dare you put these two people out there and dare to call them candidates!"

I know the feeling flpr. Pretty disgusting, eh?

Welcome to the Forums.

flpr86
08-28-2008, 05:31 AM
I know the feeling flpr. Pretty disgusting, eh?

Welcome to the Forums.

Yes, yes it is.

Thanks!

josephadel_3
08-30-2008, 10:47 PM
The internet is still free isn't it? Of course you're welcome. You just might face a lot of opposition if you post neocon like ideals.

ronpaulitician
09-01-2008, 11:24 AM
It takes being a neo-con to one day be an ex-neo-con, so welcome :)

Godfather89
09-03-2008, 11:25 AM
It is a miracle if Neo-Cons could come here and talk to us about our ideologies. I say come on in.

fisharmor
09-03-2008, 06:53 PM
The two candidates they have 'chosen' for us, scare the daylights out of me. Both will further destroy this country and more importantly, the Constitution ... and from two different directions. It makes me just want to scream, "Are you guys nutz!! How dare you put these two people out there and dare to call them candidates!"

My first vote was in '92.
The choice seemed obvious at the time.
Now that I look at what was actually going on, I would have voted for Perot.
It's not so obvious without the internet and people other than demagogues handing out relevant info.
So welcome (way too late) to the place where you can get the info you're not getting from your usual sources.

rockandrollsouls
09-04-2008, 10:27 AM
I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

Zeichen, let me put it this way.

I think it's safe to say most republicans, including those supporting John McCain, would salivate when presented with Ron's voting record on issues such as fiscal responsibility. The main divide seems to be on foreign policy. You might not agree, but I can say, in retrospect, Ron has been right on MANY, if not ALL, positions regarding foreign policy in the past. In fact, if someone could bring up his foreign policy record with examples we could detail a laundry list where you might very well scratch your head and say "Huh...wow...he was right on there."

In fact, there were instances where even president Reagan went to deploy troops in certain scenarios and Ron spoke out against it at the time. In the end, Reagan admitted to regretting some of those foreign policy decisions. The man had such respect for Dr. Ron Paul, he even campaigned for him!

I'm hoping you can see Ron would never put this country at risk. He wants to protect you, your family, your life, and your liberties, but he believes it can be done without putting our servicemen in dangerous positions around the world. In fact, our nation building foreign policy has been proven to be detrimental to the security of our nation. History proves his non-aggressive and constitutional stance on foreign policy has always been the best one.

You might not agree.....yet ;) ....but I pray you can read up on his history in this area and find, in even more detail, that his foreign policy is actually the best and strongest for America.

Again, welcome, and I hope we can change your mind, and maybe some friends if you want to send them over this way.

Liberty Rebellion
09-05-2008, 04:04 AM
Former neo-con here.

Anyways, it's been three months and haven't heard much from our visitor. :rolleyes:

Dequeant
09-06-2008, 05:38 PM
Former hard-core (invade iraq, invade iran, KILL ALL MUSLIMS) neocon here. I enlisted immediately after 9/11 for that reason. I've wised up, in large part due to Ron Paul and my wife (who is muslim). Also, spending a combined total of 2 years in various combat zones in that part of the world will also open your eyes.

FYI....

If you've ever heard the news stories about the "psychotic ron paul guys" then they're most likely talking about me. Most of these guys are pretty moderate (read: peaceful) with an extremely small minority of very angry, militant, people who don't value peace and security over freedom.

I'd fit into the latter category....but I'm intelligent and reasonable of course (read: calculating).