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SteveMartin
06-05-2008, 06:31 AM
If this gets worse, and we are in the throes of the initial stages of a serious depression by September, people may still turn to the only candidate still running who really understands economics:




Wednesday, June 4, 2008
The Derivatives Market is Unwinding!

A couple of months ago, a financial analyst who sells derivatives told me that fears about a meltdown in the derivatives market were unfounded.

Yesterday, he told me - with a very worried look - "THE DERIVATIVES MARKET IS UNWINDING!"

What does this mean? What are derivatives and why should you care if the market is unwinding?

Well, it turns out that the reason that Bear Stearns was about to go belly-up before JP Morgan bought it is that it had held trillions of dollars in derivatives, which were about to go south. (The reason that JP Morgan was so eager to buy Bear Stearns is that it was on the other side of these derivative contracts -- if Bear Stearns had gone under, JP Morgan would have taken a huge hit. But the way the derivative agreements were drafted, a purchase by JP Morgan canceled the derivative contracts, so that JP Morgan didn't experience huge losses. That is probably why the Fed was so eager to broker - and fund - the shotgun marriage. JP Morgan is a much larger player, and if Bear's failure had caused the derivatives hit to JP Morgan, it probably would have rippled out to the whole financial system and potentially caused an instant depression).

In addition, the subprime prime loan crisis is intimately connected to the unwinding of the derivatives market. Specifically, loans were repackaged into derivatives called collateralized debt obligations (or "CDO's") and sold to both big and regional banks and investment companies worldwide. The CDO's were highly-leveraged -- many times the amount of the actual loans. When the subprime loan crisis hit, the high leverage magnified the fallout, and huge sums of CDO derivatives became essentially worthless.

Do you remember when wealthy Orange County, California, went bankrupt in 1994? Yup, that was because it had invested in bad derivatives.

And, according to a recent article by one of the world's top derivative insiders, the market for credit default swap ("CDS") derivatives is also unraveling.

And reported just today, Lehman Brothers is now on the edge, due to exposure to derivatives.

Derivatives are the Elephant in the Living Room

The subprime mortgage crisis is bad, and is hurting many people, and slowing the economy. High oil and food prices are bad, and are hurting many people, and bringing down the economy. But -- according to top insiders -- derivatives are the elephant in the room . . . the single largest threat to the U.S. and world economy.

One reason is that, according to Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, the entire modern financial system is based upon derivatives, and the financial system today is entirely different from the traditional American or global financial system because derivatives - a relatively new concept - now underly the entire fabric of the financial system. In short, many of the people who know the most about derivatives say that the current system is a house of cards built upon derivatives.


Moreover, as mentioned above, the subprime and derivatives crises are closely linked. Similarly, Britian's New Statesman newspaper links derivatives and rising food and commodity prices:


"This latest food emergency has developed in an incredibly short space of time - essentially over the past 18 months. The reason for food "shortages" is speculation in commodity futures following the collapse of the financial derivatives markets. Desperate for quick returns, dealers are taking trillions of dollars out of equities and mortgage bonds and ploughing them into food and raw materials. It's called the "commodities super-cycle" on Wall Street, and it is likely to cause starvation on an epic scale.

The rocketing price of wheat, soybeans, sugar, coffee - you name it - is a direct result of debt defaults that have caused financial panic in the west and encouraged investors to seek "stores of value". These range from gold and oil at one end to corn, cocoa and cattle at the other; speculators are even placing bets on water prices."


Hiding the Ball

And yet banks and financial houses have hidden their derivatives exposure off the balance sheets. No wonder almost no one understands derivatives:


"Not only [world's richest man] Warren Buffett, but Bond King Bill Gross, our Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and the rest of America's leaders can't 'figure out'" the derivatives market.
Indeed, the government may have actively helped to hide the the derivatives mess since at least 2006. For example, according to Business Week:
"President George W. Bush has bestowed on his intelligence czar, John Negroponte, broad authority, in the name of national security, to excuse publicly traded companies from their usual accounting and securities-disclosure obligations."
Former fed chairman Alan Greenspan has been a huge booster for and defender of derivatives since 1999 or before (and see this). Did you know that the same guy that pushed subprime loans has also aggressively pushed derivatives for many years?

And the other regulatory agencies and Congress have taken a totally hands-off approach towards derivatives.

How Big a Problem?

How big is the derivatives market? Worldwide, it is $596 TRILLION dollars *. The derivatives market dwarfs the real market for goods and services, and acts likes an unregulated black market.

As one writer put it:

"It’s all smoke and mirrors. The financial system has decoupled from the productive elements of the economy and is now beginning to show disturbing signs of instability."
And its not just the U.S. Derivatives salesmen have sold these babies all over the world. Because banks, financial institutions and governments world-wide have bought significant derivatives, the fall out will not be limited solely to the U.S. See this and this.

If the derivatives market is truly unwinding, as my investment advisor friend and some of the top industry insiders say, we could be in for a very bumpy ride.

For further information on derivatives, see these articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_%28finance%29

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/BearsLairHome
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4419.html
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article1038.html
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4378.html
http://www.accountancyage.com/accountancyage/news/2218166/banks-fear-us5000bn-balance

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8634
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/business/23how.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=business&pagewanted=print
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/business/23regulate.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th
http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-36a.pdf
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20080519&id=8667647
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/04/17/cnlibor117.xml

* This is the "notional value". The actual amount of potential losses from a meltdown in the derivatives market is smaller, although still very large.

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/06/derivatives-market-is-unwinding.html

Truth Warrior
06-05-2008, 06:52 AM
Goes right over the head of 99.999999% of the people. :rolleyes:

Lafayette
06-05-2008, 06:56 AM
As bad as it sounds, i wish for this everyday. I turn on CNBC every morning and watch for it as i sip my coffee.

Hopeing for the dollar to crash, oil to hit 150, something, anything to wake people up.

SteveMartin
06-05-2008, 07:05 AM
Goes right over the head of 99.999999% of the people. :rolleyes:

True. But $10 gas, $10 milk, and a $10 hotdog won't.

acptulsa
06-05-2008, 07:14 AM
"It’s all smoke and mirrors. The financial system has decoupled from the productive elements of the economy and is now beginning to show disturbing signs of instability."

And our national economy is also showing signs of instability after losing a great many of it's productive elements to Mexico and India and China and...

And the CEOs have either gone delusional or not one of them can see past next year any more. Short term gain will kill us.

SteveMartin
06-05-2008, 07:28 AM
Oh they can see. They just don't give a rip. It truly is the PLANNED DESTRUCTION of our economy...to be followed by invasion.

Gotta stomp out that "damned piece of paper" Bush talked about, and that Ron Paul and the movement reveres so much.

Johnnybags
06-05-2008, 07:30 AM
no returns for states,cities etc to pay pensioners and new contracts for public servants are demanding big increases, Vallejo was the first of many cities about to go belly up. Of course governments will print money and send it to the states to patch up the game but it will only cause prices to soar. Enter Joe Lieberman who realizes that a nation of investors seeking a real return, not US treasuries or woeful stock stagnation wants to virtually outlaw it for all but the biggest corporate titans so we all keep chasing negative returns and finance the biggest house of cards in history. Prepare yourselves by investing in what you need to sustain yourselves as the unwinding continues, its the best investment you can make. Invest in food,water, etc until Uncle Joe makes it illegal. Forget gold and such as the best investment because even if it goes up up will not go up as fast as edibles.

Truth Warrior
06-05-2008, 07:51 AM
True. But $10 gas, $10 milk, and a $10 hotdog won't.
Let me guess here, the guaranteed proposed solutions involve "more government". A real "no-brainer" guess here, BTW. :p Isn't that the solution and answer to "everything"?

SteveMartin
06-05-2008, 07:54 AM
The only thing that can "save" us is a world government!

Truth Warrior
06-05-2008, 07:55 AM
"It’s all smoke and mirrors. The financial system has decoupled from the productive elements of the economy and is now beginning to show disturbing signs of instability."

And our national economy is also showing signs of instability after losing a great many of it's productive elements to Mexico and India and China and...

And the CEOs have either gone delusional or not one of them can see past next year any more. Short term gain will kill us.
The entire world financial system is merely a house of cards carefully engineered and crafted by the world's central banksters, over time.

Bring on the global hurricane! :rolleyes:

Mahkato
06-05-2008, 08:00 AM
I would put 10 federal reserve notes on the US being as socialist as the USSR within 10 years.

acptulsa
06-05-2008, 08:01 AM
I would put 10 federal reserve notes on the US being as socialist as the USSR within 10 years.

No bet!

Truth Warrior
06-05-2008, 08:05 AM
My 10 year SWAG, NWO. :p

Ninja Homer
06-05-2008, 08:26 AM
I would put 10 federal reserve notes on the US being as socialist as the USSR within 10 years.

I'll take that bet!

If I win, the value of the $10 you give me will be a half ounce of gold. If you win, the $10 I give you will just be worth a hot dog. :D

SteveMartin
06-06-2008, 06:04 AM
Watch the markets closely today and next week....

jbuttell
06-06-2008, 09:10 AM
As bad as it sounds, i wish for this everyday. I turn on CNBC every morning and watch for it as i sip my coffee.

Hopeing for the dollar to crash, oil to hit 150, something, anything to wake people up.

Be careful what you wish for...

acptulsa
06-06-2008, 09:14 AM
Be careful what you wish for...

...you might have to figure out how to survive it.

fr33domfightr
06-06-2008, 10:04 AM
After Morgan Stanley said they expected oil to reach $150/barrel by July 4th, the price shot up.

On a positive note, an investigation is going on in the commodoties markets to determine who's causing the rise in prices. The people/investors causing the increase in Oil prices aren't Producers of Oil or Refiners of Oil, they're only investors.


FF

theantirobot
06-06-2008, 11:33 AM
The only thing that can "save" us is a world government!

I've thought all along, the Ron Paul Grassroots movement is the beginning of a global movement toward freedom... a single global nation operating online through political systems already in place.

In my opinion we are already a global community, we just aren't doing anything. Once people accept the Internet as their primary source real world information, the political landscape will change completely.

As Ron Paul said, if the elections were held online, we would win. This is the stuff of science fiction.

I campaign for a government chartered social news service. A central database of social news that can be rebranded by individuals and communities to develop their platform, and raise money for their candidates or cause.

If the entire nation used this service, it would generate tremendous revenue for the government. Imagine if instead of taxes and tariffs, the government generated revenue by selling advertising.

acptulsa
06-06-2008, 11:36 AM
Imagine if instead of taxes and tariffs, the government generated revenue by selling advertising.

Doesn't take that much imagination. It's all good except for that damned conflict of interest we're all experiencing daily now around our posteriors...

A Ron Paul Rebel
06-06-2008, 12:33 PM
I'll take that bet!

If I win, the value of the $10 you give me will be a half ounce of gold. If you win, the $10 I give you will just be worth a hot dog. :D

lol, so true!




After Morgan Stanley said they expected oil to reach $150/barrel by July 4th, the price shot up.

On a positive note, an investigation is going on in the commodoties markets to determine who's causing the rise in prices. The people/investors causing the increase in Oil prices aren't Producers of Oil or Refiners of Oil, they're only investors.


FF

It's the World Banc that makes 70% profits on a barrel of oil!


What I want to know is...


"Did you know that the same guy that pushed subprime loans has also aggressively pushed derivatives for many years?"

is who this guy is and his relationship to the World Banc?

SteveMartin
06-07-2008, 03:48 AM
Did you all see what the markets did yesterday??

This coming week....

....be prepared, or get there QUICKLY.

Paulatized
06-07-2008, 07:38 AM
So, for someone who doesn't grasp derivatives market or all the implications on a national or world level but realizes we are in deep trouble, what's the best course of action, short and long term, to prepare for this so that we will have the basics to live? (We live in a rural area and will probably be in a better situation than most). Was thinking about buying silver/gold, or moving our investments into the commodities market but, after reading these post, that is not the answer. Should we cash them (mutual funds) out now and buy necessities while the getting is good since they will be worthless before long? Already are paying off our debt and have started buying extra food to stash back, traded in gas guzzlers for 35mpg, what else to do??? Trying to be proactive in Mississippi.......

SteveMartin
06-07-2008, 07:38 PM
Paulatized,

Good to hear from someone who is proactively considering what to do. My personal recommendation would be to get some silver bullion (in 1 oz. slugs, or low premium minted silver coins) and maybe some actual gold. I am still mildly invested in Canadian junior PM companies, because I learned what can happen with such stocks from the 1980 runaway spikes in many of these issues.

I would DEFINITELY get out of the general stock market--unless you are in PM-related mutual funds like Scudder's Class A Precious Metals fund, etc.

However, my number one priority is to get as close to totally debt free as possible, and to have basic food stuffs on hand. The verse about "a piece of bread will buy a bag of gold" still resonates. 50-pounders of rice and flour...canned goods, etc....

SteveMartin
06-07-2008, 08:14 PM
P.S.

You may find this helpful also:

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3980.html

SteveMartin
06-08-2008, 06:41 AM
Bumping for Paulatized.

Paulatized
06-08-2008, 08:57 AM
SteveMartin,

Thanks for the suggestions. I regularly check out the Nolan Chart along with Lew Rockwell (as advised by RP). I have already started checking out all the links provided in the article. Even if most of it is over my head, I’m pushing forward learning every day, I must.

For a former sheeple (previous supporter of Bush I and II and former Fox News viewer) who has had her head in the sand for way too long, I have a lot to learn.(Member come lately of the "RP Cured my Apathy Club.") But I am intensely working on it. Latest reads include: “A Foreign Policy of Freedom,” “The Constitution in Exile,” “Dying to Win,” “State of Emergency,” “Day of Reckoning,” “Blowback,” “A Nation of Sheep,” “Hubris,” “Plan of Attack,” and of course “The Revolution a Manifesto.” Just added “Crash Proof” to my list. Have also been a regular (twice a day) reader of Ron Paul Forums and Daily Paul since last fall. I am discussed with myself for having allowed myself to be so used and lead for so long.

What REALLY scares me is if the PTB come to control the internet as they do the MSM. What opened my eyes was when it was suggested to me to check Ron Paul out and I tried to learn of him during the debates and early coverage of the candidates on the MSM and saw how he was treated and wondered why that was, which drove me to the above mentioned internet sites and my education began.

What would (and will) we do if we did not (do not) have this open forum to learn from and communicate with each other?

I am not opposed to reading as a means of learning and would welcome suggestions.......

driller80545
06-08-2008, 09:06 AM
After Morgan Stanley said they expected oil to reach $150/barrel by July 4th, the price shot up.

On a positive note, an investigation is going on in the commodoties markets to determine who's causing the rise in prices. The people/investors causing the increase in Oil prices aren't Producers of Oil or Refiners of Oil, they're only investors.


FF

PPT?

SteveMartin
06-08-2008, 09:15 AM
Paulatized,

This is one of the most exciting posts I have read in months. This is what I was hoping the RP Revolution would achieve! Making new "rebel patriots!"

I would also suggest:

"The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin (Federal Reserve conspiracy)
"None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen (Primer on the whole NWO Conspiracy)
"America's Secret Etsablishment: An Introduction to the Order of the Skull & Bones" by Anthony G. Sutton
Anything by Emmanuel Josephson, but particularly "The Strange Death of FDR," and "Rockefeller, Internationalist" (These are rare but PRICELESS if you can find a copy.)

Perhaps the most important book of the 20th Century (out of print) is "From Major Jordan's Diaries" by Major George Racey Jordan (deceased). This book documents how we GAVE THE USSR the bomb, piece by piece, under the guise of "lend lease" via flights from remote Alaskan bases during WWII in order to keep the Hegelian dialectic in place and to justify our entire military-industrial complex.

SteveMartin
06-08-2008, 03:21 PM
Bumping for people prior to tomorrow's market action....

AJ Antimony
06-08-2008, 03:39 PM
I hate being awake lol

Cowlesy
06-08-2008, 03:40 PM
It will be interesting to see what goes on in international markets tonight.

With about 3 minutes to go with the ultrashorts going literally straight-up, I shorted them Friday PM (totally betting against the tide).

I think we'll do a dip off the open (U.S. markets) and up modestly on the day.