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Buffalo Bruce
06-03-2008, 05:40 PM
SPECIAL ALERT: ADVANCE LIST GOP DELEGATES TO STATE CONVENTION

Although this will largely be of interest to grassroots GOPers, the IVA has come into possession of an advance list of the pre-approved Ada County delegates to the state convention.

The list can be found below, with names spelled just as they came to us. There of course may be some shuffling of names between now and tomorrow night, when the Ada County Central Committee meets to formalize its list of delegates, but this appears to be a near-final list of names that will be presented to attendees, who will be pressured to approve the slate as presented.

Thus pressure is coming from the top of the party to bypass the normal process by which delegates are selected, which allows precinct committeemen, for instance, to express their desire to serve when they come to the organizing meeting. They’ll show up tomorrow night to find that they have been included out before the meeting even starts.

Similar pre-approved slates have been presented in at least two other counties (Kootenai and Canyon) with accompanying pressure to approve the slate as presented.

In many ways, the Idaho GOP is right now engaged in a battle for its soul, over whether it will be a party of genuine conservatism or become, as it has in many ways at the national level, a big government party with little genuine allegiance to social or fiscal conservative principles.

What is noteworthy about the pre-approved list is how many lobbyists are on it and how few ordinary grassroots Republicans are. It appears as if the party poobahs are systematically squeezing precinct committeemen in particular out of the delegate process, in an apparent attempt to stack the deck in favor of the Republican establishment.

Important issues will be at stake at the state convention, especially the choice of a party chairman and a possible reconsideration of the closed primary rule. Party elites want another term for the current chairman, Kirk Sullivan, and want to undo the party rule which closes primary elections to all but registered Republicans.

Closed primaries make it much more likely that fiscal and social conservatives will be elected to office. Open primaries, on the other hand, are friendlier to moderates, liberals and blue blood Republicans. Open primaries, for instance, are likely responsible for Sen. McCain’s capture of the GOP nomination, as independents and crossover Democrats outbalanced the vote of conservative Republicans in the primary season.

Precinct committeemen will rightly take umbrage at being shown so little regard for their hard, faithful, boots-on-the-ground work on behalf of the party. It looks to the average observer as if the party elite is shutting out the grassroots in favor of lobbyists and establishment types. There certainly are a number of genuine conservatives on this list below, including some names early in the list, but they seem to be clearly outnumbered overall by those who are inclined to do the bidding of the establishment.

Here’s the list of names as they came to the IVA: http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/news.asp?id=810

The Idaho Affiliate of the American Family Association
Bryan Fischer, Executive Director Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Sandra
06-03-2008, 05:56 PM
Print out copies of a sheet of "Constitutional slate" names representing RP delegates! DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!! Don't wait for Kinko's, do it on a printer and don't spare the ink! Pass these out to the convention. Also print up copies of the RNC rules, especially text under rule # 15. Pass those out too. That way delegates will think twice before "going along" with the flock.

wgadget
06-03-2008, 06:02 PM
SPECIAL ALERT: ADVANCE LIST GOP DELEGATES TO STATE CONVENTION

Although this will largely be of interest to grassroots GOPers, the IVA has come into possession of an advance list of the pre-approved Ada County delegates to the state convention.

The list can be found below, with names spelled just as they came to us. There of course may be some shuffling of names between now and tomorrow night, when the Ada County Central Committee meets to formalize its list of delegates, but this appears to be a near-final list of names that will be presented to attendees, who will be pressured to approve the slate as presented.

Thus pressure is coming from the top of the party to bypass the normal process by which delegates are selected, which allows precinct committeemen, for instance, to express their desire to serve when they come to the organizing meeting. They’ll show up tomorrow night to find that they have been included out before the meeting even starts.

Similar pre-approved slates have been presented in at least two other counties (Kootenai and Canyon) with accompanying pressure to approve the slate as presented.

In many ways, the Idaho GOP is right now engaged in a battle for its soul, over whether it will be a party of genuine conservatism or become, as it has in many ways at the national level, a big government party with little genuine allegiance to social or fiscal conservative principles.

What is noteworthy about the pre-approved list is how many lobbyists are on it and how few ordinary grassroots Republicans are. It appears as if the party poobahs are systematically squeezing precinct committeemen in particular out of the delegate process, in an apparent attempt to stack the deck in favor of the Republican establishment.

Important issues will be at stake at the state convention, especially the choice of a party chairman and a possible reconsideration of the closed primary rule. Party elites want another term for the current chairman, Kirk Sullivan, and want to undo the party rule which closes primary elections to all but registered Republicans.

Closed primaries make it much more likely that fiscal and social conservatives will be elected to office. Open primaries, on the other hand, are friendlier to moderates, liberals and blue blood Republicans. Open primaries, for instance, are likely responsible for Sen. McCain’s capture of the GOP nomination, as independents and crossover Democrats outbalanced the vote of conservative Republicans in the primary season.

Precinct committeemen will rightly take umbrage at being shown so little regard for their hard, faithful, boots-on-the-ground work on behalf of the party. It looks to the average observer as if the party elite is shutting out the grassroots in favor of lobbyists and establishment types. There certainly are a number of genuine conservatives on this list below, including some names early in the list, but they seem to be clearly outnumbered overall by those who are inclined to do the bidding of the establishment.

Here’s the list of names as they came to the IVA: http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/news.asp?id=810

The Idaho Affiliate of the American Family Association
Bryan Fischer, Executive Director Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Do you want us to search for some grime on these people so you can print out flyers for the convention? Google is our friend.

Buffalo Bruce
06-03-2008, 06:20 PM
wgadget, I don't know who you are addressing or referring to. Bryan Fischer, of the IVA, is an honorable guy. He is not a Paul supporter or enemy. He is on our side on this issue. His concern is that the lobbyists and establishment types have taken over the Republican Party. We agree 100% with that sentiment. We should work together to foil the machinations of the McCain leadership.

wgadget
06-03-2008, 06:48 PM
Oh...okay. When you said "pre-approved" I thought you were meant "pre-selected" by the Old Guard Republicans. I'm really glad that's not what you meant!

ronpaulhawaii
06-03-2008, 07:01 PM
This post has been added to the wiki

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=138231

Buffalo Bruce
06-05-2008, 07:18 PM
Anyone in Idaho know what happened here? It sounds like some chemistry between Paul and Huckabee supporters overthrowing the establishment.


"A packed house of Ada County Committeemen defeated efforts by the party establishment to get them to rubber-stamp an entire slate of pre-approved delegates to the state convention, and voted instead to take the delegate selection process out of the hands of party elites and put it in the hands of the individual districts in Ada County. One newly elected committeeman saw last night’s results as a victory in the battle to return the party to its fundamental principles. “People are upset with the party as a whole for straying from its roots. People want to see it get back to being conservative.”“What came out of the results was a shake-up in Republican leadership the likes of which I’ve not seen at the county level in my lifetime,” adding, “The new officers are young professional people who believe in key conservative principles.”

According to KIVI, the local ABC affiliate, one Republican at last night’s meeting said, “The list idea was manifestly unfair and I think everybody recognized that, that we need to open up and take nominations from the floor and not just have the party elites and powerful people and lobbyists go to the convention.”"
http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/news.asp?id=812

There is also an article at this link about "VIRGINIA GOP UNSEATS ESTABLISHMENT CHAIRMAN"

This thing is about to blow!

Crickett
06-06-2008, 12:36 AM
Anyone in Idaho know what happened here? It sounds like some chemistry between Paul and Huckabee supporters overthrowing the establishment.


http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/news.asp?id=812

There is also an article at this link about "VIRGINIA GOP UNSEATS ESTABLISHMENT CHAIRMAN"

This thing is about to blow!
This is so damn good that I am beside myself! AND both of us are cheering!

sratiug
06-06-2008, 06:29 AM
This is so damn good that I am beside myself! AND both of us are cheering!

Yes, very good news!!!