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LibertyCzar
06-02-2008, 01:04 PM
Mike Huckabee, I think, is the opposite of a Ron Paul Republican. I fear that the Republican Party is drifting toward Huckabee's perspective. Sure, Ron Paul might receive token pandering in order to keep him in the fold. And sure, he needs to stay a Republican so that he can keep his Committee seats in the House. But that does not mean that the Revolution should remain marginalized by a Republican Party when a majority of its leaders are Huckabee Republicans.

I think Huckabee threw down the gauntlet last week when he said libertarians are worse than liberals. I don't expect John McCain to have a different opinion.

It's fine to try to reform the Republican Party, I just don't think a majority will ever be achieved. There will always be more McCains and Huckabees in the Republican Party than Ron Pauls.

acptulsa
06-02-2008, 01:12 PM
At the ground, or if you prefer grass roots, level Huckabee Republicans are just people who probably won't believe that The System can't be sustained until a) they hear it often enough from sources they trust, b) they can get the problem explained to them in such a way that they can see it, or c) everything falls apart. Confronted with such a reality, they'll definitely come around. Lacking such a catalyst, some will be sympathetic and most won't--especially if they aren't those christians who believe in free will. That said, one should also note that the G.O.P. is losing the devout in droves right now. So, if we keep trying to take over the G.O.P. their numbers aren't the ones we really need to worry about. We'll just be filling the vacuum they're leaving behind.

LibertyCzar
06-02-2008, 01:18 PM
I'd rather leave the Republican Party to those that have it, and start over from the ground up, whether through an existing Third Party or another one. The Democrats can be the Left Interventionists and the Republicans can be the Right Interventionists.

acptulsa
06-02-2008, 01:21 PM
I understand completely. There is, however, nothing in the Libertarian Party's (just to name an example) past or present that gives me overwhelming faith in it's future...

nate895
06-02-2008, 10:46 PM
I was a Huckabee fan for like a week or two in October and November '07. The grassroots Huckabee people are good people, and I think just need to be exposed to the message without the RP association. Heck, I think that can be said for everyone but the hardcore McCainiacs.

LibertyCzar
06-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Mike Huckabee is a nice and easy going guy. But he wants federal Constitutional Amendments banning such things as gay marriage and abortion. You want pornography, forget about it. You want drugs, even medicinal pot, probably forget about it. His is the social conservative (religious) wing of the party. He has a great stump speech, right up there with Obama's oratory skills, but don't let his ability with words gloss over too much the policies he advocates.

revolutionman
06-04-2008, 11:13 AM
I understand completely. There is, however, nothing in the Libertarian Party's (just to name an example) past or present that gives me overwhelming faith in it's future...

you could always join it and help build it up. That would help secure the future, but thats a more liberal approach. The proper conservative thing would be to wait for some one else to do it.

acptulsa
06-04-2008, 11:23 AM
you could always join it and help build it up. That would help secure the future, but thats a more liberal approach. The proper conservative thing would be to wait for some one else to do it.

Been there done that didn't have much luck. Now that the problems the powers that be are creating for us are starting to snowball a bit, that could change. Meanwhile, this year I've been counting on the so-called conservatives of the G.O.P. waiting for us to fix their party...

Printo
06-06-2008, 09:09 AM
Huckabee: Libertarianism ‘not an American message’; LP responds
May 29th, 2008 13 Comments

LP press release:

Washington, D.C. - In a recent interview with Huffington Post contributor Will Mari, former GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee called libertarianism “not an American message,” stating libertarianism was a “soulless type of economic conservatism” and a threat to Republicanism. In response, Libertarian Party spokesperson Andrew Davis issued the following statement:

“Huckabee is right that Libertarianism is a threat to Republicanism. The Republican Party, with the help of people like Sen. John McCain, has done nothing but increase the scope and power of government while throwing fiscal responsibility to the wind. It’s the ‘compassionate conservatism’ touted by people like Huckabee, McCain and President Bush that has caused a soaring national debt and a society where prisons are overflowing because of Republican ‘compassion.’ Libertarianism is unquestionably the American message because libertarianism is the only political message that empowers the American people by giving them more control over their lives and their wallets. Huckabee proves once again that there is very little difference in the messages of Republicans and Democrats, and shows that McCain and Obama might as well be running in the same political party.”

The Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee for 2008 is former Congressman Bob Barr.

The Libertarian Party is America’s third largest political party, founded in 1971 as an alternative to the two main political parties. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party by visiting www.LP.org. The Libertarian Party proudly stands for smaller government, lower taxes and more freedom.


http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/05/huckabee-libertarianism-not-an-american-message-lp-responds/

The LP response is right on. One of the comments made was interesting. Apparently libertarianism is viewed as a threat to the right or they wouldn't come out against it, they would simply ignore it. All this anti-libertarianism in the GOP really boils my blood because we are Republicans too. We want the same basic things they want (or at least what they claim to want) of fiscal conservatism, down-sized federal government, and decreased federal spending. This party is still in shambles, McCain is no Reagan that can unite the party. The hardcore conservatives hate McCain, the libertarians hate McCain, his only support is coming from Democrats & Independents. Reagan had the right message, but did not deliver. Hopefully the Revolution holds strong and we can change the party. I cannot stand the Demlicans or Republicrats.

tribute_13
06-16-2008, 01:43 PM
Mike Fuckabee is a Council on Foreign Relations member. Thats the main DIFFERENCE!

naknek
06-17-2008, 09:42 AM
I think there's a lot of potential overlap between Huckabee supporters and Paul supporters. I've always identified myself as part of the "religious right" and so have most of my friends and family (we're Catholics). Most of them were Huckabee supporters but they liked Ron Paul's small-government approach. They usually just said "he may be right, but the country's not ready for that yet."


Huckabee Republicans are just people who probably won't believe that The System can't be sustained until a) they hear it often enough from sources they trust, b) they can get the problem explained to them in such a way that they can see it, or c) everything falls apart.

I completely agree with this. They need to hear support from people they trust. Conservative talk radio would be the quickest way, but of course there's no support there. Enough support from their peers at Church could override the talk radio factor, though.

Perhaps the big caveat: Ron Paul is pro-life. The abortion issue trumps all others for me and for most of the people I know. A pro-choice Ron Paul would get no support from us. But as he stands, I find myself agreeing with almost everything the man says. Even at our caucus, our tiny precinct went 100% for Ron Paul because my wife and I told the Huckabee supporter how he was pro-life (she thought he was pro-choice) and the McCain supporter said Paul was better than Huckabee.

One final note: We (myself, friends & family) have always voted for the Republican presidential candidate. Until now. There are several of us who will most likely be sitting this election out/writing in someone else. We have different reasons, but the support for McCain is just not there. And you may have noticed I say "we" a lot -- yes, we do tend to behave like a flock of sheep (which I guess isn't too surprising considering all the Biblical references to sheep, the Good Shepherd, etc.) But the flock is no longer in lock-step with the Republican party.

asgardshill
06-25-2008, 04:09 AM
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newyearsrevolution08
06-25-2008, 04:13 AM
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+1

its cheaper then locking them up indeed

poof be gone :D