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Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 09:27 AM
The people of the United States establish a different boundary for themselves.

In order to reestablish this unique boundary, we need to dedicate a formal "Declaration of Boundaries" between the disorderly tyrannies which surround us and that of the orderly rule of the people of the United States.

The purpose of this formal document is to differentiate between what is their lessor treaties and what is our greater ones. While the lessor treaties were established in history to bring peace between competing tyrannies -- not between master and slave -- our greater treaties ordain the rule of the people as the sovereign mediators between the master and the slave.

Furthermore, the purpose of this formal document is to acknowlege that boundaries set up by tyranny are not established to protect the people of tyranny from the persecutions and exploitations of the people of the United States but are established to protect the persecutions and exploitations by tyranny from being prosecuted by the people of the United States.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Vermont Declaration of Independence
Author: Thomas H. Naylor; James Hogue

Body:

A Declaration of Independence by the People of the Sovereign State of Vermont

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and mankind entitle them," let them declare "the causes which impel them to the separation."

"We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created equal and independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations" evinces a design to compromise their sovereignty and to mandate their complicity in the building of empire, in oppression and exploitation throughout the world, and in the suppression of the rights of individuals, societies, tribes and nations, "it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future."

Let the reasons for Vermont independence be submitted openly before the world.

Vermont is small, rural, democratic, peaceful, communitarian, egalitarian, and independent. Vermont has suffered, as have other states, from the debilitating effects of big business, big government, and big agriculture. Its people have seen big markets deliver inferior goods and produce. They have been burdened with technology that is inappropriate to their needs.

Since Vermont became the fourteenth state of the Union, the United States government has become too big, too centralized, too powerful, too intrusive, too materialistic, too impersonal, too grasping, too militarized, too imperialistic, too violent, too undemocratic, too corrupt, and too unresponsive to the needs of individual citizens and small communities. National and Congressional elections are sold to the highest bidder. State and local governments assume too little responsibility for the well-being of their citizens - too often abdicating their responsibilities to Washington.

The free people of Vermont have reached a turning point: whether to fight for "liberty and justice" or to trade in their heritage for the shackles known as progress. It is not progress. It is comfort. It is an illusion.

We, the people, here assembled choose "liberty and justice," and we reject a system of intrusive federal control that is antithetical to a prosperous way of life, and to the well being of a sovereign state.

Fundamental to liberty, statehood and citizenship is the right to self-preservation. This right includes the obligation of each sovereign state to protect it's citizens from the oppressive, harmful, or unlawful policies of the federal government.

To wit:

First, the United States is no longer a sustainable nation-state: not politically, economically, agriculturally, socially, morally, culturally, nor environmentally.

Second, Vermont has been dragged into the quagmire of affluenza, technomania, megalomania, globalization, and imperialism by the U.S. government in collaboration with corporate America.

Third, the U.S. government provides Vermont with little protection from the ills of globalization including economic uncertainly, unemployment, environmental degradation, and the loss of sovereignty, political will, and cultural identity.

Fourth, the federal government is using its "war on terrorism" to undermine constitutionally guaranteed liberties.

Fifth, the U.S. government's unprovoked, unilateral, pre-emptive attacks on nations with which it disagrees such as Afghanistan, Grenada, Guatemala, Iraq, Nicaragua, Panama and Serbia are unconstitutional and in violation of the U.N. charter and international law.

Sixth, Vermont has no military bases, no strategic resources, few defense contractors, and no big cities, and is a threat to no one. However, as long as it remains in the Union it runs the risk of attack, it must accept the military conscription of its youth, and it remains complicit in the most egregious violations of international law.

There is a moral, legal, and absolute imperative for an independent-minded Vermont to revert back to its rightful status as the independent republic it was between 1777 and 1791. This is a call for Vermont to reclaim its soul, and, in so doing, provide an alternative to a nation obsessed with money, power, size, speed and greed. It is a call to reject the fear of terrorism. Let us secure our future with the skills and strengths of our past, our ingenuity and our self reliance.

Our founders Thomas Jefferson and James Madison held that the U.S. Constitution was a compact of sovereign states which had delegated specific powers, but not sovereignty, to a central government - powers which could be recalled. By international law, sovereignty cannot be surrendered by implication. It is surrendered only by an express act, and nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is there any express renunciation of sovereignty by the states. Each state was conceived and formed as sovereign, and, sovereign, each state remains.

According to the tenth amendment of the U.S. Constitution, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." That which is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is, therefore, within the legal province of the individual states. And therefore all states have a constitutional right to leave the Union. Indeed, when the federal government usurps their sovereignty and becomes destructive to "the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit or happiness," they have a constitutional duty to reclaim the independence in which they were formed.

Therefore, we the sovereign people of the state of Vermont, while affirming our allegiance to the principles expressed in the U.S. Constitution, do hereby declare our independence from the United States of America, and call upon the Vermont Legislature to authorize a convention of the people to vote on rescinding the petition for statehood approved by the Vermont Assembly in January 1791 and ratified by the Congress on March 4, 1791.

James R. Hogue, Thomas Naylor and, posthumously, Thomas Jefferson.

James R. Hogue, September 7, 2003

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/vermont_declaration_of_independence

RideTheDirt
06-02-2008, 12:39 PM
+1776^

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 02:25 PM
Vermont Declaration of Independence
Author: Thomas H. Naylor; James Hogue

Body:

A Declaration of Independence by the People of the Sovereign State of Vermont

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and mankind entitle them," let them declare "the causes which impel them to the separation."

"We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created equal and independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations" evinces a design to compromise their sovereignty and to mandate their complicity in the building of empire, in oppression and exploitation throughout the world, and in the suppression of the rights of individuals, societies, tribes and nations, "it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future."

Let the reasons for Vermont independence be submitted openly before the world.

Vermont is small, rural, democratic, peaceful, communitarian, egalitarian, and independent. Vermont has suffered, as have other states, from the debilitating effects of big business, big government, and big agriculture. Its people have seen big markets deliver inferior goods and produce. They have been burdened with technology that is inappropriate to their needs.

Since Vermont became the fourteenth state of the Union, the United States government has become too big, too centralized, too powerful, too intrusive, too materialistic, too impersonal, too grasping, too militarized, too imperialistic, too violent, too undemocratic, too corrupt, and too unresponsive to the needs of individual citizens and small communities. National and Congressional elections are sold to the highest bidder. State and local governments assume too little responsibility for the well-being of their citizens - too often abdicating their responsibilities to Washington.

The free people of Vermont have reached a turning point: whether to fight for "liberty and justice" or to trade in their heritage for the shackles known as progress. It is not progress. It is comfort. It is an illusion.

We, the people, here assembled choose "liberty and justice," and we reject a system of intrusive federal control that is antithetical to a prosperous way of life, and to the well being of a sovereign state.

Fundamental to liberty, statehood and citizenship is the right to self-preservation. This right includes the obligation of each sovereign state to protect it's citizens from the oppressive, harmful, or unlawful policies of the federal government.

To wit:

First, the United States is no longer a sustainable nation-state: not politically, economically, agriculturally, socially, morally, culturally, nor environmentally.

Second, Vermont has been dragged into the quagmire of affluenza, technomania, megalomania, globalization, and imperialism by the U.S. government in collaboration with corporate America.

Third, the U.S. government provides Vermont with little protection from the ills of globalization including economic uncertainly, unemployment, environmental degradation, and the loss of sovereignty, political will, and cultural identity.

Fourth, the federal government is using its "war on terrorism" to undermine constitutionally guaranteed liberties.

Fifth, the U.S. government's unprovoked, unilateral, pre-emptive attacks on nations with which it disagrees such as Afghanistan, Grenada, Guatemala, Iraq, Nicaragua, Panama and Serbia are unconstitutional and in violation of the U.N. charter and international law.

Sixth, Vermont has no military bases, no strategic resources, few defense contractors, and no big cities, and is a threat to no one. However, as long as it remains in the Union it runs the risk of attack, it must accept the military conscription of its youth, and it remains complicit in the most egregious violations of international law.

There is a moral, legal, and absolute imperative for an independent-minded Vermont to revert back to its rightful status as the independent republic it was between 1777 and 1791. This is a call for Vermont to reclaim its soul, and, in so doing, provide an alternative to a nation obsessed with money, power, size, speed and greed. It is a call to reject the fear of terrorism. Let us secure our future with the skills and strengths of our past, our ingenuity and our self reliance.

Our founders Thomas Jefferson and James Madison held that the U.S. Constitution was a compact of sovereign states which had delegated specific powers, but not sovereignty, to a central government - powers which could be recalled. By international law, sovereignty cannot be surrendered by implication. It is surrendered only by an express act, and nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is there any express renunciation of sovereignty by the states. Each state was conceived and formed as sovereign, and, sovereign, each state remains.

According to the tenth amendment of the U.S. Constitution, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." That which is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is, therefore, within the legal province of the individual states. And therefore all states have a constitutional right to leave the Union. Indeed, when the federal government usurps their sovereignty and becomes destructive to "the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit or happiness," they have a constitutional duty to reclaim the independence in which they were formed.

Therefore, we the sovereign people of the state of Vermont, while affirming our allegiance to the principles expressed in the U.S. Constitution, do hereby declare our independence from the United States of America, and call upon the Vermont Legislature to authorize a convention of the people to vote on rescinding the petition for statehood approved by the Vermont Assembly in January 1791 and ratified by the Congress on March 4, 1791.

James R. Hogue, Thomas Naylor and, posthumously, Thomas Jefferson.

James R. Hogue, September 7, 2003

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/vermont_declaration_of_independence

While this would seem to honor the Declaration of Independence, it mocks it. The Declaration of Independence was a formal divorce decree out from which our founding fathers seperated us from the sovereign authority of the king of England. This seperation was not stamped official by the power of a corrupt king but was substantiated by a greater power of truths which are self evident and inalienable.

The problem here is that both the fellow above and you think this is bullshit.

When the state of Vermont leaves, she won't be marrying herself into a greater positive government; she won't be seperating herself from a lessor government to become part of a greater one; she won't be presenting to the world a higher goal which will advance the social contract. To the contrary, she will leave to become a prostitute to primitive tribalism. This tribalism will divide her from the 50 states to then divide her into further factions, divisions and tribes from the state government she has now into lessor, individual city states.

Rather than be ruled by the necessary evil of Federal bastards as she is now as a state, Vermont by dividing herself from the Union would end up being eaten alive by worms as her corpse rots into an even lessor tyranny.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 02:27 PM
While this would seem to honor the Declaration of Independence, it mocks it. The Declaration of Independence was a formal divorce decree out from which our founding fathers seperated us from the sovereign authority of the king of England. This seperation was not stamped official by the power of a corrupt king but is substantiated by a greater power of truths which are self evident and inalienable.

The problem here is that you think this is bullshit.

When the state of Vermont leaves, she won't be marrying herself into a greater positive government; she won't be seperating herself from a lessor government to become part of a greater one; she won't be presenting to the world a higher goal which will advance the social contract. To the contrary, she will leave to become a prostitute to primitive tribalism. This tribalism will divide her from the 50 states to then divide her into further factions, divisions and tribes from the state government she has now into lessor, individual city states.

Rather than be ruled by the necessary evil of Ferderal bastards as she is now as a state, Vermont by dividing herself from the Union would end up being eaten alive by worms as her corpse rots into an even lessor tyranny.

You are clueless about what I think! You lack even the "concepts". :rolleyes:

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 02:38 PM
You are clueless about what I think! You lack even the "concepts". :rolleyes:

Did you respond? I think perhaps you have a problem with your keyboard? I really don't think I'm clueless. The only alternative solution you ever offer to the present system we have in the United States involves giving the Chinese a blow job.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 02:48 PM
Did you respond? I think perhaps you have a problem with your keyboard? I really don't think I'm clueless. The only alternative solution you ever offer to the present system we have in the United States involves giving the Chinese a blow job.
See, PERFECT example, I just knew that you do and did, not. Clueless!!! Absolutely!!!

Thanks for proving my point, oh so very well. :rolleyes:

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 04:37 PM
See, PERFECT example, I just knew that you do and did, not. Clueless!!! Absolutely!!!

Thanks for proving my point, oh so very well. :rolleyes:

Proof that you are a Chinese spy is exhibited in your improper use of the exclamation point. Never use more than one!
Example: Indeed, President George Bush Jr. is spreading an odd form of Greek Democracy in Iraq! Yet, the sky continues to fall because the Iranians may one day drop a nuclear bomb on Israel! Yes, there is hatred between Israel and the Arabs! Yes, the Arabs do hate the Jews! (Notice how I never use more than a single exclamation point!) Though President George Bush Jr. did make only C's while a student attending Yale University, he does read lots of books today!
Also your silly usage of icons give you away. Contrary the proper belief of American students today, it still is not proper to draw happy faces on essays!

Truth Warrior
06-03-2008, 03:19 AM
Proof that you are a Chinese spy is exhibited in your improper use of the exclamation point. Never use more than one!
Example: Indeed, President George Bush Jr. is spreading an odd form of Greek Democracy in Iraq! Yet, the sky continues to fall because the Iranians may one day drop a nuclear bomb on Israel! Yes, there is hatred between Israel and the Arabs! Yes, the Arabs do hate the Jews! (Notice how I never use more than a single exclamation point!) Though President George Bush Jr. did make only C's while a student attending Yale University, he does read lots of books today!
Also your silly usage of icons give you away. Contrary the proper belief of American students today, it still is not proper to draw happy faces on essays!
:rolleyes:

This is NOT a "school" essay symposium, it's an Internet web "chat" forum, just in case ya hadn't quite managed to notice yet.

DUH!!!!!!

Hell, you don't even know WHERE you are. :p

I'm beginning to more fully understand now, why being popular has never been your forte ... EITHER.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-03-2008, 07:58 AM
:rolleyes:

This is NOT a "school" essay symposium, it's an Internet web "chat" forum, just in case ya hadn't quite managed to notice yet.

DUH!!!!!!

Hell, you don't even know WHERE you are. :p

I'm beginning to more fully understand now, why being popular has never been your forte ... EITHER.

Analysis: (independent phrase) This is not a "school" essay symposium, [comma = and](submissive phrase) it's [contraction is not used similarly in independent phrase] an Internet web "chat" forum, [comma = and] {comma splice} just in case you had not (past tense) quite managed (past tense) to notice yet [have not noticed yet]. (A comma should not be used when a submissive phrase follows an independent phrase)
Analysis: Duh (isolate) !!!!!!
[comma = and] you don't even know where you are.
Analysis: (submissive phrase) Why being popular has never been your forte . . . [inappropriate use of elipses.] either, (independent phrase) I'm beginning to more fully understand (fully) now.
[not [I]to boldly go [verb] where no man has gone before but to go [verb] boldly where no man has gone before.]

Truth Warrior
06-03-2008, 08:29 AM
Analysis: (independent phrase) This is not a "school" essay symposium, [comma = and](submissive phrase) it's [contraction is not used similarly in independent phrase] an Internet web "chat" forum, [comma = and] {comma splice} just in case you had not (past tense) quite managed (past tense) to notice yet [have not noticed yet]. (A comma should not be used when a submissive phrase follows an independent phrase)
Analysis: Duh (isolate) !!!!!!
[comma = and] you don't even know where you are.
Analysis: (submissive phrase) Why being popular has never been your forte . . . [inappropriate use of elipses.] either, (independent phrase) I'm beginning to more fully understand (fully) now.
[not [I]to boldly go [verb] where no man has gone before but to go [verb] boldly where no man has gone before.]

( Yep, he still thinks that he is in school. Well, in a way, I guess that he is. :rolleyes: )

"Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false." -- Bertrand Russell

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-03-2008, 09:19 AM
( Yep, he still thinks that he is in school. Well, in a way, I guess that he is. :rolleyes: )

"Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false." -- Bertrand Russell

Before a response to your post can be given, I must first take the trouble to guess at what you mean.
"Ahh . . . smack smack smack smack smack smack smack . . . Bertrand Russell seemed harmless but his sophist notions led science to forsake the very truth that the people so desperately needed for good government" -- Bugs bunny to Elmer Fudd. http://www.zoliblog.com/Elmer_Fudd.jpg

Truth Warrior
06-03-2008, 09:22 AM
Before a response to your post can be given, I must first take the trouble to guess at what you mean.
"Ahh . . . smack smack smack smack smack smack smack . . . Bertrand Russell seemed harmless but his sophist notions led science to forsake the very truth that the people so desperately needed for good government" -- Bugs bunny to Elmer Fudd. http://www.zoliblog.com/Elmer_Fudd.jpg
Careful, don't strain yourself.

I wasn't endorsing the guy, I just like the quote.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-03-2008, 10:08 AM
Careful, don't strain yourself.

I wasn't endorsing the guy, I just like the quote.

What kind of effort is needed to respond to a nickels worth of it?