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Perry
06-01-2008, 11:58 PM
Do you despise the libertarian party? I do.
Only because parties are poison. It's not that I have any love for the Republican party but I use it because as a Republican I hold more power as the Republican party has an unfair advantage over other parties.
Basically I believe the libertarian party is not the answer and neither is any other party. Because of this I can say I despise the libertarian party and the idea that it might be the answer to our problems.
Do you agree?
If this seems like an unfair question that's because there's a principle involved.

AutoDas
06-02-2008, 12:26 AM
You Lose

1-3

hypnagogue
06-02-2008, 01:27 AM
Really lousy poll. You'd have been better off just saying what you think instead of insulting us with this faux opportunity to vote our opinion.

Perry
06-02-2008, 01:31 AM
Really lousy poll. You'd have been better off just saying what you think instead of insulting us with this faux opportunity to vote our opinion.

That's the problem. You insult yourself by identifying yourself with a party when you should be identified as an individual with his own thoughts, philosophy and beliefs. Parties are part of the problem.

AutoDas
06-02-2008, 01:33 AM
There is no conflict between my individualism and joining a party. My individualism will benefit under this collective party rather than me alone.

Agent CSL
06-02-2008, 01:34 AM
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nobody's_hero
06-02-2008, 01:58 AM
I am sure there are worse parties out there. The real dream for me would be to have 5 or 6 rather healthy parties all competing to see who can best uphold the Constitution. Too bad there are only 2 incredibly sick parties to choose from (although most Ron Paul supporters would be willing to think outside the box if it means saving the Constitution).

LiveFree79
06-02-2008, 03:13 AM
I agree with the poster. Why attach lables to people. Afterall, as cliche as it sounds we are all human beings first. With that being said the libertarian party at best has many very sound principles that should be applied to 21st century society and government. Obviously upholding the Constitution, individual rights etc. We do not live in 18th century America. We live in a world of nuclear bombs and deforestation. I'm sorry but I think all the "isms", capitalism, communism, socialism, fascism have failed mankind. It's time we scrap all this down trodden, stuck in the past ideology and truly start to expand our mind and our planet, as human beings. Life is about finding balance. Everything in the world, irrespective of mankind, exists in a yin and a yang type of relationship. In science we call it "symbiosis". The human body has to remain in a certain homeostatic state in order to function properly. Same thing with government. We need to get back to basics. Hence why Ron Paul, is the best voice, if the only voice for real change. You don't have to agree with everything he says, but his "thesis" if you will is what matters.

Kludge
06-02-2008, 03:15 AM
That's the problem. You insult yourself by identifying yourself with a party when you should be identified as an individual with his own thoughts, philosophy and beliefs. Parties are part of the problem.

Parties are simply an organizational tool to better advance individuals' political agendas, good or bad.

Not terribly different from Unions...

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 06:27 AM
Do you despise the libertarian party? I do.
Only because parties are poison. It's not that I have any love for the Republican party but I use it because as a Republican I hold more power as the Republican party has an unfair advantage over other parties.
Basically I believe the libertarian party is not the answer and neither is any other party. Because of this I can say I despise the libertarian party and the idea that it might be the answer to our problems.
Do you agree?
If this seems like an unfair question that's because there's a principle involved.

When Dr. Ron Paul claims that the purpose of his revolution is to reestablish the Republican party as a new conservative party, he knows how the 2 party system works. While our government won't work as a single-party totalitarian system, it also won't work as a 3 party system. Having more than 2 parties is very primitive after all in that it is very European. Where 3rd parties and "Independents" are important in our system is how they help keep the 2 party system in the United States from eroding into a single party. When taking into account that the national media has turned to lobbying the Federal government for its survival, a real danger exists that a totalitarian single party of Republicans, Democrats and the national media could evolve to look a lot like the communist totalitarian system that once ruled over the Soviet Union some 20 years ago.
As the 2 parties today were created by numbers of smaller parties who compromised their differences together into a single effort, the Democratic party today is fracturing itself up into a weak party of divisions with one being between blacks and whites. Another division exists between how its national organization arrogantly issued rules over the major states of Florida and Michagan. While rules are important and should be followed, one should remember that compromise is the most important rule when developing and maintaining a political party.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 06:36 AM
There is NO libertarian party.

There is only the "Libertarian Party", merely a fringe splinter GOP "political" statist offshoot, and an oxymoron. The name is merely STOLEN, of course.

Can the libertarians have their name back now? You can keep the Party part, we neither want nor need it.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 06:50 AM
Parties are simply an organizational tool to better advance individuals' political agendas, good or bad.

Not terribly different from Unions...

The 2 party system performed the function that the Supreme Court does now. At first the Supreme Court did not sit in judgement over the constitutionality of law but instead thought that it had to do something in order to establish its power. So, it issued writs of mandimus.
The competing parties were created with the purpose of ammending, abolishing or preserving the Constitution.
Because the government at first was a single party, it amounted to a totalitarian system. Adding the 2 party system was like adding a 2 barrel carburator to a sputtering motor to make it function better.

constituent
06-02-2008, 06:58 AM
the libertarian party is fail.

has been.

will be.

(unless)

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 07:07 AM
There is NO libertarian party.

There is only the "Libertarian Party", merely a fringe GOP "political" statist offshoot, and an oxymoron. The name is merely STOLEN, of course.

Can the libertarians have their name back now? You can keep the Party part, we neither want nor need it.

The point being that major parties are made up of numbers of smaller parties who had to compromise. So a small party can't expect that its agenda will be represented in its pure form by the larger party that it joins.

yongrel
06-02-2008, 07:10 AM
The Libertarian Party has been rather fruitless for quite some time.

Solution? Quit bitching and do something about it.

Alex Libman
06-02-2008, 07:20 AM
I wish this was a poll where you can see usernames who voted for each option, so I'd know the LP-hating retards to ignore in the future.

FindLiberty
06-02-2008, 07:33 AM
Guess I'm just biased... my bad.

I thought the existing "two party system" represented two sides of the same authoritarian coin... heads you lose, tails you lose (The BS you hear is, "...But the race was so close and that other side won by dirty tricks - It will be better next election when "my" side wins 'cause "they" are ruining the country now. Vote for the lesser of two evils.")

IMO, it makes no difference if only the authoritarian coin gets tossed up into the air for the "election": Government grows, liberty yields - every time - all the time. The last time the freedom fighters won anything was way back in the late 1700's.

Can you think of any examples when personal liberty or economic freedom improved since Thomas Jefferson left office in 1809? (less regulation, lower taxes, less inflation)

- versus -

Relentless governmental growth - especially since 1913 and even worse since the early 1960's (more laws, higher taxes, fiat inflation, scam programs like the SS Ponzi scheme, wars and expanding hordes of non-productive governmental sycophants running around spouting propaganda while harassing our people and eating out their substance.)

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 08:01 AM
The point being that major parties are made up of numbers of smaller parties who had to compromise. So a small party can't expect that its agenda will be represented in its pure form by the larger party that it joins.
And where in YOUR beloved Constitution, is the "Political Party" branch of government, powers and rights described, designated and mandated? :rolleyes:

Divide and conquer, power and control, the strategy and tactics of TYRANNY always. Just keep THE PEOPLE fighting among themselves for and over 'illusory" political POWER, and the rest is just a "piece of cake" and "a walk in the park", of, by and for the TYRANTS.

The LP has ALWAYS only been GOP and statist, and NOT libertarian. It's just more smoke, mirrors, "spin" and BULLSHIT!

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

Theocrat
06-02-2008, 08:12 AM
Do you despise the libertarian party? I do.
Only because parties are poison. It's not that I have any love for the Republican party but I use it because as a Republican I hold more power as the Republican party has an unfair advantage over other parties.
Basically I believe the libertarian party is not the answer and neither is any other party. Because of this I can say I despise the libertarian party and the idea that it might be the answer to our problems.
Do you agree?
If this seems like an unfair question that's because there's a principle involved.

Yes. I despise any party which holds to the view that it's okay to shed innocent blood (i.e., abortion). There is no liberty in that. If you can't protect life, how then can you preserve liberty? The Libertarian Party, like the Democratic Party, is such a party. They're more libertine than they are libertarian. Congressman Paul once said, "The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty," and I agree 100% with him.

As for me, I'm all about the Constitution Party (http://www.constitutionparty.com/). May true constitutional republicanism be restored to these United States, and may God be pleased to ignite the Constitution Party with the same fires in the spirit of freedom for our nation which were first kindled back in 1776. As far as I'm concerned, the Libertarian Party is dead.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 08:47 AM
Just give the LP the POWER and they will "fix" the "system". Yeah Right. :rolleyes:

Where have I ever heard that one before? ( Everywhere and always )

Here pull the other leg too. :p

"And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?" -- V

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 09:45 AM
And where in YOUR beloved Constitution, is the "Political Party" branch of government, powers and rights described, designated and mandated? :rolleyes:

Divide and conquer, power and control, the strategy and tactics of TYRANNY always. Just keep THE PEOPLE fighting among themselves for and over 'illusory" political POWER, and the rest is just a "piece of cake" and "a walk in the park", of, by and for the TYRANTS.

The LP has ALWAYS only been GOP and statist, and NOT libertarian. It's just more smoke, mirrors, "spin" and BULLSHIT!

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

You always assume that I am a naive, wide-eyed little boy.
I'm sorry, but I can't help but doubt your patronage. Are you even an American? Canadian doesn't count.
Like I just stated, it seems you have a desire to get rid of 100% of the government of the United States. You hate it like a foreigner would. No bones are ever acceptible in the American Fried Chicken even if it is the most delicious.
Like I said, don't create for us a new Chinese system. Just move to China.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 09:57 AM
I wish this was a poll where you can see usernames who voted for each option, so I'd know the LP-hating retards to ignore in the future.

American Movements are always better than political agendas because one doesn't have to compromise when reestablishing and reconsecrating our constitutional government. However, in regards to establishing political agendas, the agendas of small parties have to compromise in order to become part of a largeer political party. So, the agenda always gets water downed to insignificance.

Truth Warrior
06-02-2008, 10:09 AM
You always assume that I am a naive, wide-eyed little boy.
I'm sorry, but I can't help but doubt your patronage. Are you even an American? Canadian doesn't count.
Like I just stated, it seems you have a desire to get rid of 100% of the government of the United States. You hate it like a foreigner would. No bones are ever acceptible in the American Fried Chicken even if it is the most delicious.
Like I said, don't create for us a new Chinese system. Just move to China.
The evidence of your naiveté, literally "screams" very clearly for itself. :rolleyes: Rationalize your ignorance however you may wish that allows you to sleep at night. :p Ah, you know ZIP about Marxist's also, no surprise there. BTW, I'm not nor ever was nor ever will be a Marxist! Marx was scum!

You on the other hand, mouth the statist's jargon and sing the collectivist's parties statist siren songs very well indeed, for a blind, wide-eyed rookie. :rolleyes:

American born and bred. Sovereign American Individual, by discovery. Birthday: July 4th! :D

If ZERO isn't the target, how will it EVER get ANY smaller? Voting WILL NOT get us there.

I LOVE my country dearly, and absolutely despise what the government tyrants have done to it, over time. ( Including The Fed Party "coup".) The country is NOT the government, and the government does NOT "own" the country nor the "States" nor me. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against it's government.

I have seniority, YOU may feel FREE to move however. How about to Greece or Rousseau's France? :rolleyes:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

constituent
06-02-2008, 10:10 AM
I wish this was a poll where you can see usernames who voted for each option, so I'd know the LP-hating retards to ignore in the future.

here is one of them.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-02-2008, 03:43 PM
The evidence of your naiveté, literally "screams" very clearly for itself. :rolleyes: Rationalize your ignorance however you may wish that allows you to sleep at night. :p Ah, you know ZIP about Marxist's also, no surprise there. BTW, I'm not nor ever was nor ever will be a Marxist! Marx was scum!

You on the other hand, mouth the statist's jargon and sing the collectivist's parties statist siren songs very well indeed, for a blind, wide-eyed rookie. :rolleyes:

American born and bred. Sovereign American Individual, by discovery. Birthday: July 4th! :D

If ZERO isn't the target, how will it EVER get ANY smaller? Voting WILL NOT get us there.

I LOVE my country dearly, and absolutely despise what the government tyrants have done to it, over time. ( Including The Fed Party "coup".) The country is NOT the government, and the government does NOT "own" the country nor the "States" nor me. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against it's government.

I have seniority, YOU may feel FREE to move however. How about to Greece or Rousseau's France? :rolleyes:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

My new conspiracy theory supposes that 99% of the people who post in this forum work for the CIA. While this forum serves to unite Ron Paul supporters, the antagonists disrupt the campaign with endless posts about conspiracies. Rather than these CIA employees post information about how inept the national media has become, which is common knowlege for Ron Paul protagonists, the antogonists post articles by the national media supporting conspiracies.

Think about it? How can the national media be totally inept on one hand and yet be trustworthy enough on the other to be trusted enough to base conspiracies on? If the bird is in a nest and the nest is in a tree, it only adds up to three. The very egg of conspiracy! CIA!

As a result of this deviousness, when the remaining 1% of us in here read about these conspiracy theories, we think this type of thinking represents the typical behavior of all Dr. Ron Paul suppporters. Meanwhile, most of us, the remaining 1% anyway, know quite good and well that our Federal government doesn't have time to commit conspiracies because they are devoting 100% of their energy screwing themselves.

One might wonder how one can differentiate between one who works for the CIA as an antagonist and one who is a legitimate Dr. Ron Paul protagonist. One asks a good question.

I am very suspicious of the above fellow. He only posts criticisms of the government of the United States while his knowlege is totally devoid of its positive aspects. So, my best guess is he is a Chinese man being outsourced by the CIA to work for $0.20 a day.

FindLiberty
06-02-2008, 07:38 PM
BINGO !!!

Your Prize - You get a gold retirement watch from the CIA


WARNING: It explodes... or was the T.H.R.U.S.H. with the exploding watch?
Well then, maybe a frozen poison dart then or Thallium in your Half-N-Half.

;-)

Nirvikalpa
06-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Some libertarians on this board have really made me think twice about the party, but no, I don't despise the Party. Can't blame the party for a couple of idiots, I suppose. I do think Barr was the wrong choice for the candidacy, though.

I like the Constitution Party better.