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PlzPeopleWakeUp
06-01-2008, 04:41 PM
nt

wgadget
06-01-2008, 05:07 PM
Praise the Lord!

liberteebell
06-01-2008, 05:11 PM
Anyone who thinks we're "losing" needs to read this^^^!


I was seeing conversion after conversion and awakening after awakening. It was a beautiful thing. The party lost a lot of respect from a lot of people who were not Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporters gained much respect and many members during the convention. They just made taking the Minnesota Republican Party over 10 times easier because we now have a lot of old-timer’s backing as many of them truly seemed to admire what we did. We conducted ourselves in an excellent manner, followed all the rules, made valid thought provoking points, and showed the convention attendees that there is not ANY unity in the MN Republican Party at the moment and it is because the leadership is inept and is not interested in growing the MN Republican Party.

Great job!

CasualApathy
06-01-2008, 05:19 PM
Epic post.

BIG_J
06-01-2008, 06:20 PM
WooT! Posting in EPIC thread.

tomveil
06-01-2008, 06:41 PM
Excellent point, and one that I made about the end of our convention here in WA as well. We certainly opened the eyes of a lot of Huckabee/Romney supporters, as well as a fair number of McCain supporters too. The hilarity of the McCainites rushing back in after their walkout failed will be the highlight of the convention to me :)

ninnarae
06-01-2008, 06:49 PM
GREAT post! We'll just keep getting the message heard here in Minnesota- once your eyes are opened, there's no going back!

wgadget
06-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Okay, guys...We PLASTER St. Paul with Ron Paul, we send the delegates "The Revolution," and they go to the convention with a bad taste in their mouths for both John McCain AND the tactics of the GOP higher-ups.

The result is.....?

defe07
06-01-2008, 07:04 PM
Okay, guys...We PLASTER St. Paul with Ron Paul, we send the delegates "The Revolution," and they go to the convention with a bad taste in their mouths for both John McCain AND the tactics of the GOP higher-ups.

The result is.....?

A recipe for success... A DELEGATE REVOLUTION!!! :cool:

TER
06-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Thank you Lord!

ItsTime
06-01-2008, 07:28 PM
we are winning. period. one small thing at a time. the wave is coming to destroy this dam.

torchbearer
06-01-2008, 07:49 PM
bump

A Ron Paul Rebel
06-01-2008, 07:53 PM
What you just described... we can still WIN this!!!

The longrun looks beautiful and in the short we
can still do it.

The 'Operation St. Paul' can do a whole hell of a lot.
And if we keep this up, neo-neo-cons might rump
for Paul. With a little encouragement of course.

But the eyes that are being opened is great since
(as most Americans) all people know about Paul is
what they see on T.V.

Let's keep opening those eyes!







...what are the plans on getting those delegates
"The Revolution!"?

torchbearer
06-01-2008, 07:57 PM
The 'Operation St. Paul' can do a whole hell of a lot.
And if we keep this up, neo-neo-cons might rump
for Paul. With a little encouragement of course.


...what are the plans on getting those delegates
"The Revolution!"?

+1776

rodo1776
06-01-2008, 08:02 PM
Wonderful post!!! Best I've read in a long time.

This board is really getting positive. The fun is just beginning.

Long live the revolution!!

pepperpete1
06-01-2008, 08:47 PM
we are winning. period. one small thing at a time. the wave is coming to destroy this dam.

Every delegate at the WA and MN conventions need to file a challenge and/or contestment regarding the state party establishment GOP breaking their and the national rules. Like rule 15 for starters.

Delegates your efforts are appreciated. Good job.:)

haleyMN
06-01-2008, 09:33 PM
True - I had a couple of people come up to me and say they thought what happened wasn't fair.

Including a national delegate......

teshuah
06-01-2008, 09:49 PM
bump for awesomeness!

YES! This is so true - we are winning! They don't run scared for no reason!

StilesBC
06-01-2008, 10:48 PM
We don't win unless Ron Paul is elected President. The neocons (republicans and democrats alike - they're all the same) know how dangerous our message is to their mission of a one world socialist state. There may not be a chance in 2012.

Fight like you've never fought before. The next time we fight, it will be with guns and ammo. History proves this.

crazyfacedjenkins
06-02-2008, 01:39 AM
I think the Minnesota State Convention had the best possible outcome.
I’m happy about it and excited about the future of the MN Republican Party.

Here is how I got there:

We had no venue for Ron Paul to speak since the MN GOP wouldn’t allow him to speak at the convention and everyone was concerned because the forecast was rain for when Ron Paul was scheduled to speak at 7:30am. In the morning just before he spoke, the rain stopped, the clouds parted, the sun came out, the temperature was perfect, the birds started chirping loudly, and it was an absolutely beautiful brisk Minnesota morning outside when he spoke. There were about 400 to 500 people outside at 7:30am listening to him speaking and probably 90% of them were to be in the convention when it started. The 45 minute speech was excellent. It was a perfect outcome in my opinion considering they GOP did not let Ron Paul speak inside the convention, which totally worked out to our benefit in the end. Another venue had been booked for Ron Paul nearby by campaign staff the evening before but the venue backed out. It is rumored that the GOP pulled some strings and pressured the venue owner to back out of the deal. Only a few people know the truth about that…

Once we got inside the convention at about 8:30, there were already signs hung all over the place and literature distributed on every floor chair. Two of these pieces of papers were horrendous hit pieces against Ron Paul saying things such as he wants to legalize cocaine, heroine, and prostitution. They were completely filled with text saying half-truths, straight up lies, and quotations that were way out of context. There are apparently convention rules about distributing literature and there has to be the name of the person or group that is distributing it printed on it because someone objected and called out the specific section in the rules. The literature needed to be somewhat pre-approved and early entry had to be arranged with convention coordinators. The rules state something along the line that unauthorized literature that broke these rules is to be confiscated from the floor, discarded and the person(s) that is responsible for it is to be removed from the convention. People were getting very angry, kept objecting and were trying to get the convention to follow the rules and have the sergeant-at-arms remove the literature and remove the people responsible. They dragged their feet forever and picked up probably 60% of the literature. Mysteriously, nobody knew who distributed the literature. These were fluorescent yellow and orange pieces of paper, by far the most visible of all the literature. Let me see, a person(s) literally had 20+ lbs of paper and distributed it to 1000+ chairs…. but yeah, it was Professor Plum in the library with the candlestick, and he couldn’t be found to be removed.

All the literature except the hit pieces on Ron Paul were national delegate candidate’s or slate literature. Of course, the majority of these people who were distributing the candidate literature had no idea that they were not even going to have an opportunity to be voted for since the establishment had stealthily changed the rules to “no nominations from the floor”. These people spent a lot of money and time to be tricked by the party and not all of these were Ron Paul supporters. There were a lot of very angry people who were being vocal about it.

The convention had many rules about signage. The establishment’s slate had (2) humongous fabric banners at each end of the stage, and many other signs that exceeded the size and quantity parameters violating the convention signage rules. The large banners were hung the day before the convention in violation of the rules also. Many people made objections and tried to get them removed as stated in the rules but nothing became of it.

The nominating committee had rules that the candidates for national delegates and alternates had to appear before them prior to convention and fill out forms and pass all their subjective tests that are impossible to prove such as being “honest person” or a “good” republican. Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Sen. Norm Coleman did not appear before the nominating committee as stated in the requirements to be considered which by the rules makes them ineligible to be considered for national delegate or alternate. But hey, who wants to follow the rules if they do not work in your favor? I expected no less, truly.

One person got on the microphone and stated that who ever came up with the establishment slate’s huge banners and must have been psychic because it almost completely matched the nominating committee’s final results and wanted an explanation of that having a high probability. The place roared. A majority of the crowd (the sheeple) did not understand the irony of them cheering for this, but yet they cheered like fools due to group-think. The leadership looked like fools.

During this convention, people who were not involved with Ron Paul were becoming disgusted by the leadership’s behavior and booed them several times. Even opponents of Ron Paul were apologetic to the Ron Paul supporters because the treatment we received. I heard this over and over and over walking the corridors and I had over 20 apologies from persons that you could more then likely call neo-cons through the course of the weekend.

I was seeing conversion after conversion and awakening after awakening. It was a beautiful thing. The party lost a lot of respect from a lot of people who were not Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporters gained much respect and many members during the convention. They just made taking the Minnesota Republican Party over 10 times easier because we now have a lot of old-timer’s backing as many of them truly seemed to admire what we did. We conducted ourselves in an excellent manner, followed all the rules, made valid thought provoking points, and showed the convention attendees that there is not ANY unity in the MN Republican Party at the moment and it is because the leadership is inept and is not interested in growing the MN Republican Party.

That was THE best possible outcome at this point in the presidential election for the state of Minnesota, if you live in reality. You really think they are going to let him speak at the national convention when they won’t even let him on to a floor of a state convention? Let’s be real here, we just cured our foundation here. It’s time to build now, and we plan on building with bricks for the long term.

The beautiful thing about all of this is that we probably just got 1.5 times stronger here in MN and definitely got some major financial backing for our upcoming Ron Paul Republicans! Not to mention the existing network just got hardened. Also, everyone knew that the Ron Paul hotel parties were the parties to be at, and they came. They were neo-con conversion clinics and they stayed hard at work until the wee hours of the night churning out new supporters.

Big thanks to the MN GOP for helping us grow considerably during the convention. I had old timers walking up to me giving me contact information for donations for our Ron Paul Republican candidates. Enjoy your positions today MN GOP, for you will not have them next time around.

If they could figure out that this is not about Ron Paul…

FUCK YEAH!!! GREAT JOB!!!

newyearsrevolution08
06-02-2008, 01:41 AM
liberty bump so keep it up

PlzPeopleWakeUp
06-02-2008, 11:52 AM
nt

JohnDevilman
06-02-2008, 12:24 PM
I'm very happy to have read this.

speciallyblend
06-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Praise the Lord!

I'm so proud of everyone. SEE YA IN ST PAUL aka RON PAUL CITY, support OPERATION ST PAUL ASAP

ninepointfive
06-02-2008, 02:06 PM
Good Job! Sounded much like Colorado, although the McCainites outnumbered us.

Lucille
06-02-2008, 03:19 PM
I was seeing conversion after conversion and awakening after awakening. It was a beautiful thing. The party lost a lot of respect from a lot of people who were not Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporters gained much respect and many members during the convention. They just made taking the Minnesota Republican Party over 10 times easier because we now have a lot of old-timer’s backing as many of them truly seemed to admire what we did. We conducted ourselves in an excellent manner, followed all the rules, made valid thought provoking points, and showed the convention attendees that there is not ANY unity in the MN Republican Party at the moment and it is because the leadership is inept and is not interested in growing the MN Republican Party.

I'm not from MN, but I have been watching all of the the conventions closely. What you say here is what I've read on several MN (as well as other state's) political blogs. This gentleman here (http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/) is not a Paul supporter, but he has been very supportive of your efforts nonetheless, and extremely critical of the establishment's treatment of such an enthusiastic and conservative group. (I post him again because he's updated since the convention, and I think it would be great if a few of Paul's MN supporters thanked him for his fair-minded analysis and common sense insights.)


Republican Disasters - "Get Over It?"
The Minnesota GOP is Hemorrhaging
Rochester - The Morning After!
Minnesota GOP - Delusional in Rochester? (http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/)

Well done, MN! You do our candidate and the liberty movement proud. Thank you!

This is one of my favorite photos on Ron, and I think it says so much about that day. (I cannot get it to post, so here's the link (http://www.startribune.com/photos/?c=y&img=2ronp.jpg%27.JPG)! Props to the Star Tribune's photog! If someone can post the photo here on RPF, please do.)

Paulitical Correctness
06-02-2008, 03:26 PM
I grin from ear to ear because real change is coming soon!

:D:D:D:D:D

Danke
06-02-2008, 03:35 PM
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tomveil
06-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Any youtubes of his speech outside?

humanic
06-02-2008, 04:25 PM
Glad to hear this... thank you for posting!

mediahasyou
06-02-2008, 04:33 PM
In the morning just before he spoke, the rain stopped, the clouds parted, the sun came out, the temperature was perfect, the birds started chirping loudly, and it was an absolutely beautiful brisk Minnesota morning outside when he spoke.

Sounds like the mesiah coming.

luaPnoR
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
One person got on the microphone and stated that who ever came up with the establishment slate’s huge banners and must have been psychic because it almost completely matched the nominating committee’s final results and wanted an explanation of that having a high probability. The place roared. A majority of the crowd (the sheeple) did not understand the irony of them cheering for this, but yet they cheered like fools due to group-think. The leadership looked like fools.


That was my husband who said this!!! Here's his exact quote "I just wanted to commend the nominations committee on their successful prediction of 14 of 14 delegates on this slate (pointing to the MCDT banner on stage left) and 14 of 14 alternates on that slate (pointing to the banner on stage right)" as the creators of the MN Conservative Delegate Team slate and the Nominating Committee were purportedly separate entities. He also said something about unity meaning, "agree with us or get out!"

wgadget
06-02-2008, 05:52 PM
I'm not from MN, but I have been watching all of the the conventions closely. What you say here is what I've read on several MN (as well as other state's) political blogs. This gentleman here (http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/) is not a Paul supporter, but he has been very supportive of your efforts nonetheless, and extremely critical of the establishment's treatment of such an enthusiastic and conservative group. (I post him again because he's updated since the convention, and I think it would be great if a few of Paul's MN supporters thanked him for his fair-minded analysis and common sense insights.)


Well done, MN! You do our candidate and the liberty movement proud. Thank you!

This is one of my favorite photos on Ron, and I think it says so much about that day. (I cannot get it to post, so here's the link (http://www.startribune.com/photos/?c=y&img=2ronp.jpg%27.JPG)! Props to the Star Tribune's photog! If someone can post the photo here on RPF, please do.)

I LOVE this guy's blog:

"So what did we learn this weekend. First, that their are a lot of Republicans willing to act like lemmings and blindly follow their MN GOP leaders over the cliff of oblivion for a third disastrous election cycle. Second, the this state leadership can manipulate the rules to suit their power grab agenda without any checks or balance by the party faithful. Third, rules matter if you want to run for a national delegate spot, but only if you are in the opposition. Finally, the only people that matter are the elected officials, special interests and the big money folks that pony up the expensive signs and brochures.

Lets look at each one more closely. The party leadership screamed alarm because of a fraction of Republicans convention attendees, 25% according to statements to the Star Tribune by Chairman Ron Carey, supported Ron Paul. It seems that the Ron Paul people were trying to get some names on the ballet to run as national delegates. So what does this leadership do? Instead of sitting down and discussing how the problem could be settled, the party chair spent the last month and a half belittling "these people" as outsiders, unworthy, and unwanted. Now that is a perfect example of great leadership technique on how to unite the party when one of every four at the convention was one of "these people." To make sure that the rank and file stayed in line, red capped party storm troopers complete with ear pieces and two way radios roamed the halls and byways holding signs to tell the lemmings how to vote.

Second, this party leadership imposed draconian style rule changes to the State Constitution, all in the name of controlling "these people." The rules change was not so much an attempt to control the Ron Paul people as it was to signal the party faithful that if you step out of line like the two BPOU's that sent Senator Norm Coleman letters saying they could no longer support his reelection, you will be stripped of your elected BPOU positions.

Thirdly, the party in a premeditated action stacked the deck of the nominating committee to insure "these people " who applied for a national delegate position would not meet the requirements imposed. Leadership structured hard and fast rules that applied to "these people" but not to some of the highest ranking elected Minnesota politicians. What is more shameful, is that a majority of the convention goers, who are very good people, actually went along with this charade and voted down a proposals that would have done the right thing. It is amazing how fear and hate can motivate good people to do wrong things.

wgadget
06-02-2008, 05:58 PM
More from this great blogger:

Selective rules are no rules! But what can we expect from a group that believes a tax is really a fee.

Finally, the grassroots be damned, only high ranking elected officials and their big buck backers are all that matters. It's all about the power baby! Follow the money folks. Just who is the "Minnesota Conservative Delegate Team" really? Certainly this new Edina based group are not "Conservatives," they are just using the word as a smokescreen. Some in this group belong to the most liberal wing of the Republican Party and are responsible for Edina turning "Blue." How did they afford enormous signs in the auditorium, mass mailings and a 30 page glossy brochure? Who picked up the bill? Not authorized by any campaign or candidate? Then why did Ben Golnik, John McCain's man in Minnesota take the microphone and say that the slate proposed by the Minnesota Conservative Delegate Team were approved by the McCain election committee? These items didn't come free. Someone in power felt incredibly threatened to pony up this kind of money. Who was it? What party rules were violated? What FEC rules were violated? I guarantee you that there are a lot more questions then answers.

The convention was an utter failure. This party came away more un-united then ever. Where are the young people with passion going to come from to do the grassroots work to win this election in November. Too many, including myself a national delegate, feel more disenfranchised then before the convention. Lord knows I'm no Ron Paul supporter. But I believe in honesty, fairness and civil treatment for all who don't attack me. That was not practiced by this parties leaders in Rochester!

Sadly, this pathetic party leadership is thumping themselves on their chest saying what a great victory they had in Rochester. With their delusional bunker "us against them" mentality, these idiots don't realize that they only won a fixed battle while they were losing the entire war.

Minnesota a purple state? Get real! In November the DFL is going to paint this state solid "blue."

Like the DFL blogs are saying, their secret weapon is - Ron Carey.

wgadget
06-02-2008, 06:01 PM
And sadly, the story is repeated in many other states across this great nation.

The GOP Old Guard should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

pepperpete1
06-02-2008, 09:03 PM
Maybe we can get the blogger to challenge the rule breakings and file a complaint with the FEC seeing that no one from our groups is willing to do so.

liberteebell
06-03-2008, 07:11 AM
The convention was an utter failure. This party came away more un-united then ever. Where are the young people with passion going to come from to do the grassroots work to win this election in November. Too many, including myself a national delegate, feel more disenfranchised then before the convention. Lord knows I'm no Ron Paul supporter. But I believe in honesty, fairness and civil treatment for all who don't attack me. That was not practiced by this parties leaders in Rochester!

Isn't this great? The Establishment shoots itself in both feet.

pinkmandy
06-03-2008, 07:46 AM
This is epic. They are destroying themselves. Even your avg person may be scared of us because of the media, but they know the outrageous stuff just can't be true (they have to realize that a 10 term Repub Congressman doesn't keep his position because he loves heroin!). Nobody likes finding out they have been lied to. It leads them to question what else they've been told that may be false. We should thank the GOP for helping us out. They are pushing their own supporters to seek out the truth and that's exactly what we need.