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pepperpete1
06-01-2008, 04:16 PM
I want to have Ron Paul registered in every state that allows write-in votes. The record will show that Ron Paul, the man, and the message has a foot hold in American politics once again.

That we, as Americans, are not going to be forced into compromising our ideals, and allowing the fascist tactics of the GOP establishment to win.

We will be heard at the voting polls!

Please everyone, call the campaign and beg them to get Dr. Ron Paul registered within the timeframe allowed for each state where it is not against their state election laws to have write-ins.

I say within the time frame because if we wait til after the national convention, we may not have enough time to get him registered. Here in MI Ron Paul himself must register, in handwriting and in triplicate.

How about getting each of the campaign state leaders to get all of the necessary paperwork together with the instructions, to the national campaign, so that they can just rock and roll with it?

Also, each of us from the precinct levels to the state levels also need to formally challenge EVERY rule infraction that has occurred in this contest for nomination!

It is great that members of the established GOP are seeing the gestapo tactics that their leaders are employing and are disgusted by it, but without a formal complaint being made to the RNC it will be as if it did not happen.

Are we going to continue to mouth words, or are we going to take them to the mat and wrestle them for what is rightfully ours?:mad:

AJ Antimony
06-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Also, each of us from the precinct levels to the state levels also need to formally challenge EVERY rule infraction that has occurred in this contest for nomination!

I agree with the whole post--it's a good idea and worth a shot. If people are going to be writing in Paul anyway, then we should try to make it actually count.

As for this quote, it would be great if all these infractions could be packaged and sent together. Hmm a 10,000 page book of complaints for the national committee...

lynnf
06-01-2008, 06:49 PM
I want to have Ron Paul registered in every state that allows write-in votes. The record will show that Ron Paul, the man, and the message has a foot hold in American politics once again.

That we, as Americans, are not going to be forced into compromising our ideals, and allowing the fascist tactics of the GOP establishment to win.

We will be heard at the voting polls!

Please everyone, call the campaign and beg them to get Dr. Ron Paul registered within the timeframe allowed for each state where it is not against their state election laws to have write-ins.

I say within the time frame because if we wait til after the national convention, we may not have enough time to get him registered. Here in MI Ron Paul himself must register, in handwriting and in triplicate.

How about getting each of the campaign state leaders to get all of the necessary paperwork together with the instructions, to the national campaign, so that they can just rock and roll with it?

Also, each of us from the precinct levels to the state levels also need to formally challenge EVERY rule infraction that has occurred in this contest for nomination!

It is great that members of the established GOP are seeing the gestapo tactics that their leaders are employing and are disgusted by it, but without a formal complaint being made to the RNC it will be as if it did not happen.

Are we going to continue to mouth words, or are we going to take them to the mat and wrestle them for what is rightfully ours?:mad:


woo-hoo! maybe some of that left-over $5 million could be used for that-- getting set as a write-in

lynn

pepperpete1
06-01-2008, 09:36 PM
I agree with the whole post--it's a good idea and worth a shot. If people are going to be writing in Paul anyway, then we should try to make it actually count.

As for this quote, it would be great if all these infractions could be packaged and sent together. Hmm a 10,000 page book of complaints for the national committee...

If everyone who has been subjected rule breaking would file for their precinct, county, CD, or state it probably will be a book with ALOT of pages. When the local established GOPers break the rules the consequences are felt all the way up the chain. That is why contestments should be made, so that the end results that we have now, may be changed at the national level.

pepperpete1
06-02-2008, 07:30 AM
bump

Join The Paul Side
06-02-2008, 08:17 AM
I hope people take action, Pepper. It would be a shame to let them get away with it. With all these rules being broken I would have thought we'd have had a few rump conventions at the state level already. But we haven't so ya never know. :(

dsentell
06-02-2008, 09:08 AM
I want to have Ron Paul registered in every state that allows write-in votes. . . .


Please everyone, call the campaign and beg them to get Dr. Ron Paul registered within the timeframe allowed for each state where it is not against their state election laws to have write-ins.




I am totally in support of this and have done a little research on what is required in Missouri to have write-in votes counted.

It seems easy enough, the campaign has to submit a declaration to the Secretary of State.

The problem that I see -- is that on the declaration, Dr. Paul has to state that he is an independent candidate. Do you think he would be willing to do that? . . . :confused:

I think it will take a lot of begging to the campaign -- perhaps pleading that we just want our votes counted . . . . !

bojo68
06-02-2008, 09:18 AM
I'm relatively sure that here in socialist leftyville, the secretary of state would only be MORE THAN HAPPY to wreak havoc with the r's.

goldstandard
06-02-2008, 09:30 AM
Anybody here who kept track of the rule bending in various states? We need an overview, then contact the meetups.

pepperpete1
06-02-2008, 09:36 AM
Anybody here who kept track of the rule bending in various states? We need an overview, then contact the meetups.

On one of the John Bydalak posts he said that someone at the campaign was comprising a list and was supposed to post on the RP Daily forum soon. That was over a week ago. I haven't seen it yet.:)

AJ Antimony
06-02-2008, 11:32 AM
bump... come on I want to see at least one post saying "i saw rule breaking and will report it"

cska80
06-02-2008, 11:34 AM
I still haven't heard a reasonable explaination why a RP supporter would turn around and support Obama...a hardcore Marxist.

pepperpete1
06-02-2008, 03:31 PM
I am totally in support of this and have done a little research on what is required in Missouri to have write-in votes counted.

It seems easy enough, the campaign has to submit a declaration to the Secretary of State.

The problem that I see -- is that on the declaration, Dr. Paul has to state that he is an independent candidate. Do you think he would be willing to do that? . . . :confused:

I think it will take a lot of begging to the campaign -- perhaps pleading that we just want our votes counted . . . . !



6) When submitted to the election authority, each declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for the office of United States president shall include the name of a candidate for vice president and the name of nominees for presidential elector equal to the number to which the state is entitled. At least one qualified resident of each congressional district shall be nominated as presidential elector. Each such declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate shall be accompanied by a declaration of candidacy for each presidential elector in substantially the form set forth in subsection 3 of section 115.399. Each declaration of candidacy for the office of presidential elector shall be subscribed and sworn to by the candidate before the election official receiving the declaration of intent to be a write-in, notary public or other officer authorized by law to administer oaths.

However there is this information:If a candidate runs in a primary election and loses, can the person run in the general election for the same office?
No. If a candidate files for nomination to an office and is not nominated at a primary election, that candidate cannot file a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for the same office at the general election. (Section 115.453(4) RSMo)

Are they referring to the office of President or just some other offices?

The two pieces of information seem contradictory??:confused: Anyone care to interpret?

armstrong
06-02-2008, 05:55 PM
bump ///// hillary may drop out and run as independant///maybe just a rumour -so should Ron also if we cannot write him in? Ron Paul yea with Jesse Ventura --wow just a dream//I think a Ron and Jesse ticket would win easily

AJ Antimony
06-02-2008, 06:15 PM
bump ///// hillary may drop out and run as independant///maybe just a rumour -so should Ron also if we cannot write him in? Ron Paul yea with Jesse Ventura --wow just a dream//I think a Ron and Jesse ticket would win easily

Yes it could!

armstrong
06-02-2008, 08:51 PM
bump

pepperpete1
06-03-2008, 02:45 PM
I hope people take action, Pepper. It would be a shame to let them get away with it. With all these rules being broken I would have thought we'd have had a few rump conventions at the state level already. But we haven't so ya never know. :(

Texas and Neveda are not just sitting on their laurels and letting the establishment GOP steal our delegates.

Come on people. The challenges and contestments and, yes, some civil lawsuits, need to come from the area in which the violations occured and from those persons who have a vested interest.

SnappleLlama
06-03-2008, 02:48 PM
I wrote to the Bureau of Elections in PA...he does not have to be registered as a write-in candidate in this state, so I will be writing him in, confident that my vote will be counted! Not sure about other states, though...

pepperpete1
06-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Bump

tnvoter
06-03-2008, 09:56 PM
If I'm not happy after this coming GoP convention, or with upcoming debates and platforms of all parties- I'll strongly consider this write-in.

kombayn
06-03-2008, 09:59 PM
I wrote to the Bureau of Elections in PA...he does not have to be registered as a write-in candidate in this state, so I will be writing him in, confident that my vote will be counted! Not sure about other states, though...

Do we have a website that can tell us who is allowed to be written-in without having to be registered?

pepperpete1
06-03-2008, 10:28 PM
Do we have a website that can tell us who is allowed to be written-in without having to be registered?

Each state has it's own rules that a candidate need to adhere to in order for write-in votes to be counted for them. These rules can usually be found at the Secretary of State's web-sites for each state.

I do not know of a web site that lists each state's rules.

I have read that there are eight states that do not allow write-ins.

pepperpete1
06-04-2008, 08:12 AM
If everyone who has been subjected rule breaking would file for their precinct, county, CD, or state it probably will be a book with ALOT of pages. When the local established GOPers break the rules the consequences are felt all the way up the chain. That is why contestments should be made, so that the end results that we have now, may be changed at the national level.

Tell us which rules you are going to challenge.

Fyretrohl
06-04-2008, 08:16 AM
I have put in an email to our MO RP Rep to find out what, if any rules, can be proved that the MO GOP violated. While I disagree with it happening, it appears they did a good job dealing with the 300+ challenges. They had a responsibility to follow up on the challenges. If I find issue, then, I will be looking at options. If there are issues, I will be trumpeting, along with any other evidentiary rules violations that can be factually proven wide and long.

Sandra
06-04-2008, 08:27 AM
I have put in an email to our MO RP Rep to find out what, if any rules, can be proved that the MO GOP violated. While I disagree with it happening, it appears they did a good job dealing with the 300+ challenges. They had a responsibility to follow up on the challenges. If I find issue, then, I will be looking at options. If there are issues, I will be trumpeting, along with any other evidentiary rules violations that can be factually proven wide and long.


Uh, yeah right, buddy. From the past hundred posts of yours, you have your mind made up. Thank the Good Lord none of this rests on you.

Crickett
06-04-2008, 08:43 AM
I already wrote them about both of these issues..no response..

Crickett
06-04-2008, 08:47 AM
6) When submitted to the election authority, each declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for the office of United States president shall include the name of a candidate for vice president and the name of nominees for presidential elector equal to the number to which the state is entitled. At least one qualified resident of each congressional district shall be nominated as presidential elector. Each such declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate shall be accompanied by a declaration of candidacy for each presidential elector in substantially the form set forth in subsection 3 of section 115.399. Each declaration of candidacy for the office of presidential elector shall be subscribed and sworn to by the candidate before the election official receiving the declaration of intent to be a write-in, notary public or other officer authorized by law to administer oaths.

However there is this information:If a candidate runs in a primary election and loses, can the person run in the general election for the same office?
No. If a candidate files for nomination to an office and is not nominated at a primary election, that candidate cannot file a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for the same office at the general election. (Section 115.453(4) RSMo)

Are they referring to the office of President or just some other offices?

The two pieces of information seem contradictory??:confused: Anyone care to interpret?

Yeah..it is called the "sore loser" laws, and most states have them. You are not an authorized write in if you belong to a party who has not voted for you in the primaries. End of that strategy...lol

Fyretrohl
06-04-2008, 09:25 AM
Uh, yeah right, buddy. From the past hundred posts of yours, you have your mind made up. Thank the Good Lord none of this rests on you.

Excuse me? What past 100 posts? You mean that I am not a Ron Paul sheeple either? Believe me, I have read the stories and I share the disgust. The problem is, the posts of personal stories by Ron Paul supporters can not sway others. Hard evidence can. I have a life. I am doing what I can. I have asked folks in my state to help me understand what may have happened, since I wasn't there. Not the stories of 'we were mistreated' or 'They made me mad'. Hard evidence. I don't have the time, nor should I have to dig to find out each states rules, specific violations, etc.

So, rather than just crying in the wind, I have asked folks to provide specific evidence and charges, as done in LA, that can be used when I am out and about on the internet. I am worrying about my state. I have asked for assistance in gathering the real proof from other states. Now, I have not seen any posts from you that I recall until your last few of 'challenge challenge challenge' or putting me down. A challenge with no valid, proveable evidence will look poorly upon the people filing it. And, even if the complaint does have basis, if it can't be proved, then it will just cause issues. Sorry if you believe otherwise.

So, if my methods do not meet your approval, then by all means ignore me. I plan to do all I can, but, I am only one person and can only dedicate so much of my time. Sorry if I am looking at a decentralized group to help gather information that I don't have as ready access to so that I can help in other ways.

Sandra
06-04-2008, 10:05 AM
So, if my methods do not meet your approval, then by all means ignore me. I plan to do all I can, but, I am only one person and can only dedicate so much of my time. Sorry if I am looking at a decentralized group to help gather information that I don't have as ready access to so that I can help in other ways

You're right. I realize I was the only one replying to you.

pepperpete1
06-04-2008, 11:12 AM
I have put in an email to our MO RP Rep to find out what, if any rules, can be proved that the MO GOP violated. While I disagree with it happening, it appears they did a good job dealing with the 300+ challenges. They had a responsibility to follow up on the challenges. If I find issue, then, I will be looking at options. If there are issues, I will be trumpeting, along with any other evidentiary rules violations that can be factually proven wide and long.

The rules say that not only are you to state what the challenge is, but who made the challenge. I am surprised that even though it may have been done as a ploy, to dishearten the RP delegates, so that they did not show up at the convention thinking it would be a futile trip, that the credentials committee did not report on the fact that the challenges were made and an inquiry board "investigated" 300 delegates and did not find most of them lacking qualifications.

If any establishment GOP leaders had closed meetings before the convention, it should be investigated as to whether that was allowed. I know that any rule changing just prior to any convention is against the national rules as the rules for this year's campaign were made at the last convention and cannot be changed without a 2/3 majority vote of the convention which has not even been held yet.
So those rules should not apply............but the party leaders chose to do it anyway in several of the states.

We must all do what we can in our own ways.:)

pepperpete1
06-04-2008, 08:20 PM
bump,bump