Huckabee Supporters for Baldwin

[MikeSmith]

How do we get Huckabee supporters to go for Baldwin? Can we play up the fact he was a pastor or something?

If Barr gets 5% and Baldwin gets 5%, that will send a very good message to the Republican Party.

[literatim]

Impossible. The only ex-Huckabee supporters that will support Baldwin will be the ones that supported Paul.

[allyinoh]

Good luck with that. Huckabillies are worthless to try and talk to. I've tried but they are so condescending. (Not all of them but the ones I have come across.)

[OptionsTrader]

I think this is a very worthwhile goal in areas where RP cannot be written in, if approached from the Huckabee supporter mindset.

[Theocrat]

How do we get Huckabee supporters to go for Baldwin? Can we play up the fact he was a pastor or something?

If Barr gets 5% and Baldwin gets 5%, that will send a very good message to the Republican Party.

Trying to get Huckabee supporters to follow Dr. Baldwin is similar to persuading McCain supporters to vote for Congressman Paul. It's just not happening (this side of the Resurrection, anyway)!

[angelatc]

The Huckabee camp was less than thrilled with McCain. I think Baldwin has a chance. But it seems that the war is a dealbreaker. The Huckabee people won't vote for a candidate that doesn't want to annihilate Muslims.

[OptionsTrader]

The Huckabee camp was less than thrilled with McCain. I think Baldwin has a chance. But it seems that the war is a dealbreaker. The Huckabee people won't vote for a candidate that doesn't want to annihilate Muslims.

How compassionately conservative of them.

[amy31416]

Damn. Don't Christian churches teach about that whole Christian just war thing that RP talked about? (I make the assumption that the Iraq war isn't justifiable under that doctrine given the way RP talked about it.)

[Kludge]

Baldwin will be lucky to take a point in the general election. He can't even take majority vote in 1% internet forum-followers of 5% of his regular primary showing of the 45% of Americans who vote!

[Alex Libman]

I see very little ideological difference between Huckabee and Baldwin, except that Baldwin is even more anti-liberty. He might save me a bit on federal taxes, then put me in jail for not following the commandments.

[bucfish]

Not true Alex. Baldwin is ALL about the Constitution and seperation of Church and State!

[Alex Libman]

Does that mean a state or municipally funded priest will visit me while I'm in federal prison for, say, pornography?

(Not that I'm some sort of pornography fiend, but I don't drink any more, nor do drugs, smoke, gamble, perform abortions, do stem cell research, etc... And outlawing pornography, like any information, would end Internet freedom as we know it.)

And then there's my atheism... Bush 41 said "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." The CP appeals to people who are even more religiously conservative than that!

[allyinoh]

Damn. Don't Christian churches teach about that whole Christian just war thing that RP talked about? (I make the assumption that the Iraq war isn't justifiable under that doctrine given the way RP talked about it.)

I brought up the Just War Theory to a Huck supporter and they said, "Is that in the Bible?"

Technically I do not think the Just War Theory is in the Bible but it's a gathering of teachings.

Either way, I don't know why any person let alone a Christian would support killing innocent people.

[Kludge]

If Baldwin wants to run as a libertarian, he will need to affirm that he does not support State recognition of marriage, persecution for committing victimless crimes of any sort and disallowing tax exempt status for churches.

[allyinoh]

Does that mean a state or municipally funded priest will visit me while I'm in federal prison for, say, pornography?

(Not that I'm some sort of pornography fiend, but I don't drink any more, nor do drugs, smoke, gamble, etc... And outlawing pornography, like any information, would end Internet freedom as we know it.)

And then there's my atheism... Bush 41 said "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." The CP appeals to people who are even more religiously conservative than that!

Does lying about where Baldwin stands gratify you in some way?

He is not anti-liberty. In fact, his platform is almost identical to Ron Paul's. Yes, Baldwin may be more out there with his Christianity but him and Ron Paul are both Christians.

I would venture to say that you've never actually looked at Baldwin's site or read anything his written.

You seriously have a thing against Baldwin and the only thing that you keep bringing up is his religion. Let me say this again, both of them are Baptist... Both of them believe in Jesus Christ. Ron Paul has even said that his Christian faith influences some of his decisions he makes in Congress.

Why are you so scared of Christians? Seriously, we are not going to make you convert. And if Baldwin became President, which he nor Barr will, what makes you think he would be able to do all kinds of things to satisfy the Christians? I mean, I know the President has powers but I really don't think that the President has the power to make Christianity the religion of the US, or ban porn on the internet, or put churches on every street corner. You are overreacting and making a big deal out of his religion for nothing.

[Bro.Butch]

If Baldwin wants to run as a libertarian, he will need to affirm that he does not support State recognition of marriage, persecution for committing victimless crimes of any sort and disallowing tax exempt status for churches.

LOL-now how is "disallowing" ANYONE'S tax exempt status LIBERTARIAN ?!!!!? :confused:

I want a societry where EVEYONE is tax exempt ! :D

Which includes Not paying a 30+% sales tax in addition to all these other taxes...:eek:

[LibertyEagle]

The kp discussion has been moved to Hot Topics.

[amy31416]

The kp discussion has been moved to Hot Topics.

Thanks. I'm pretty sure this is close to being exhausted as a debate topic, at least I hope it is.

[Kludge]

The kp discussion has been moved to Hot Topics.

Cheers.

[MMolloy]

Damn. Don't Christian churches teach about that whole Christian just war thing that RP talked about? (I make the assumption that the Iraq war isn't justifiable under that doctrine given the way RP talked about it.)

Most of the NeoCons have twisted the Just War theory to the point that it is no longer recognizable.

The moral theory of the "just-war" or "limited-war" doctrine begins with the presumption which binds all Christians: We should do no harm to our neighbors. Just-war teaching has evolved as an effort to prevent war. Only if war cannot be rationally avoided does the teaching then seek to restrict and reduce its horrors. It does this by establishing a set of rigorous conditions which must be met if the decision to go to war is to be morally permissible. Such a decision, especially today, requires extraordinarily strong reasons for overriding the presumption in favor of peace and against war. The conditions for a just war are as follows:

http://www.americancatholic.org/News/JustWar/justwar.asp

Of course these conditions were not met by the Bush Administration and therefore the Catholic Church has been a vocal (not going to hear that from the MSM) opponent to the War in Iraq.

[amy31416]

Most of the NeoCons have twisted the Just War theory to the point that it is no longer recognizable.

The moral theory of the "just-war" or "limited-war" doctrine begins with the presumption which binds all Christians: We should do no harm to our neighbors. Just-war teaching has evolved as an effort to prevent war. Only if war cannot be rationally avoided does the teaching then seek to restrict and reduce its horrors. It does this by establishing a set of rigorous conditions which must be met if the decision to go to war is to be morally permissible. Such a decision, especially today, requires extraordinarily strong reasons for overriding the presumption in favor of peace and against war. The conditions for a just war are as follows:

http://www.americancatholic.org/News/JustWar/justwar.asp

Of course these conditions were not met by the Bush Administration and therefore the Catholic Church has been a vocal (not going to hear that from the MSM) opponent to the War in Iraq.

Sorry to hear that. I had, strangely enough, some faith that Christians would wake up about this issue.

[Bro.Butch]

Ask them to join!

http://baldwin2008.com/media-center/ :D