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foofighter20x
05-30-2008, 01:47 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

No, sir, I don't like it.

Kotin
05-30-2008, 02:13 PM
Can you please explain to me why abolishing the electoral college is a bad idea?


its a serious question, it sounds bad but tell me why?

Pepsi
05-30-2008, 02:53 PM
I think we should not mess with what America's founding fathers put in place. To me this issue of abolishing the electoral college might be part of the agenda for the North American Union. They whould have to harmonize the elections to be the same for Canada, Mexico and America. With the Electoral college in place, they whould not be fully abel to do that.

Mr. Coolidge
05-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Doing this would be another (in a long line of) huge blow(s) to the federal nature of this union of states. I know--"Union of States? What's this archaic talk?"

A friend of mine loves this idea, and I fear more people will continue to push for this kind of thing. What I told him was that if we do this, we might as well get rid of the Senate. Why bother having two houses, especially when one of them doesn't represent the people? Why bother having state boundaries at all? It's not like they mean anything right now. Why not just connect the state capitals to Washington D.C. with a giant tube for quicker, easier access. And he said "I don't find anything strange or disagreeable with these suggestions."

These kind of ideas have become normal, and will become more so with the next generation. Something we have to be ready for. :(

Now, getting more political parties into the field, I would like to see. Don't know how though. Could be as simple as easing laws and exposing people to other political ideas.

Catatonic
05-30-2008, 04:28 PM
Doing this would be another (in a long line of) huge blow(s) to the federal nature of this union of states. I know--"Union of States? What's this archaic talk?"

A friend of mine loves this idea, and I fear more people will continue to push for this kind of thing. What I told him was that if we do this, we might as well get rid of the Senate. Why bother having two houses, especially when one of them doesn't represent the people? Why bother having state boundaries at all? It's not like they mean anything right now. Why not just connect the state capitals to Washington D.C. with a giant tube for quicker, easier access. And he said "I don't find anything strange or disagreeable with these suggestions."

These kind of ideas have become normal, and will become more so with the next generation. Something we have to be ready for. :(

Now, getting more political parties into the field, I would like to see. Don't know how though. Could be as simple as easing laws and exposing people to other political ideas.

No one really learns the philosophy behind the founding fathers. I've debated a lot of socialists lately and while they have a firm grasp of the philosophy behind socialism, and communism, they have absolutely no understanding of the philosophy of liberty.

If its not learned in college, its learned in high school. I'm seriously starting to think the education system is just a socialist boot camp anymore. Looking back to my time in public school I see now that it was the same for me. I graduated in 2000 so it wasn't that long ago, but I'm sure its much worse now.

foofighter20x
05-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Can you please explain to me why abolishing the electoral college is a bad idea?


its a serious question, it sounds bad but tell me why?

I'm not for or against EC reform. However, I believe that the only way to reform it is through Constitutional means--i.e. Amendment.

This subversion of the law is in violation of Article I, Section 10.

I'm also willing to bet it's a violation of Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.

Imagine if your state governor was determined by which party won the national popular vote for President. Drop it down a level... Imagine if your mayor was determined by which candidate for governor got the most votes.

Both are an abridgement of the people's right to vote for their own representatives within those institutions--i.e., the governor in the first example; the mayor in the second example.

When the local vote gets diluted out by vote in the higher tier, then that smaller population has effectively lost any voice it had.