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rpfan2008
05-30-2008, 02:48 AM
Not only a tinfoil hat, but the whole suite and it may still not work.




Raytheon's Pain Ray: Coming to a Protest Near You?



Coming soon, from the folks who brought you the microwave -- Raytheon! After more than ten years in the making and at a cost of over 40 million dollars, 'Silent Guardian', or Active Denial System, (ADS, in it's formal mood), is almost ready for public release!

Yes, Raytheon -- manufacturer of the 100 bunker buster bombs kindly flown by America to Israel at the height of their bombardment of Lebanon, and supplier of electronic equipment for the apartheid wall built on Palestinian land; -- Raytheon -- with its 73,000 employees worldwide and annual revenues of 20 billion dollars has gone and done it again!

For, Raytheon -- the world's largest producer of guided missiles, and fifth largest defense contractor in the world, provider of aircraft radar systems, weapons sights and targeting systems, communication and battle-management systems, and satellite components -- has come up with a system which could scatter a crowd in a trice without a drop of blood being spilled.

Yes, folks, originally designed to protect military personnel against small-arms fire without the use of lethal force, Silent Guardian, ADS, the Pain Ray, call it what you will, (Raytheon would prefer you not to use the latter however), will finally soon be here!

Transmitted at the speed of light over a 700 yard distance, the Pain Ray is a millimeter-wave beam that penetrates 1/64th of an inch beneath the skin, causing the water molecules there to bubble, producing an intense burning sensation, said to feel like being burnt by molten lava or a hot iron. Its delivery system attached to a Humvee and aimed right, the Pain Ray makes people run away -- fast.

Tests conducted at Kirtland Air Force Base south of Albuquerque, New Mexico, employ realistic combat scenarios to determine its potential effectiveness in a deployed environment, the first to expose an entire test subject to the ray.

The Defense Department want to use it for protecting Defense resources, peacekeeping, humanitarian missions and other situations in which the use of lethal force is undesirable, but already there have been inquiries from other institutes and wealthy individuals about using it to protect private property.

Testing, conducted on human volunteers and animals by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Human Effectiveness Directorate continues, and although it has not been proved that exposure to the ray can cause cancer, it has been ascertained that the corneas of Rhesus monkeys can be damaged.

Deployment of the system is slated to begin in Iraq in 2010, but there are rumors that it has already been tested there.

Raytheon congratulates itself on having developed a non-lethal weapon which has been described as "Holy Grail of crowd control," but their Silent Guardian also has its critics. One, author Richard Hunter asks:

"But what happens if the people faced with such a weapon can't just run away? What happens if they're trapped in a crowd, and the crowd can't move? How much pain must that crowd endure? How long can any member of the crowd be exposed to that weapon before his or her skin -- or their eyes -- simply cook off?

What happens if the devices are used deliberately in a manner designed to cause maximum harm -- say, by training the device on prisoners trapped in prison cells until they literally go mad with pain?

What happens if the system operator turns up the power? A little bit works well, why not try a lot?

What happens if the scientists didn't test the devices thoroughly, and they turn out to render anyone touched by them blind, or impotent, or sterile?"

And the National Lawyers Guild of the US has accused Raytheon of being "implicated in the commission of war crime."

One critical group, the Derry Anti-War Coalition, occupied the Raytheon weapons factory in Ireland in 2006 to protest at the production of guided missile components there.

Said a spokesman:

"We are calling for arms components manufacturers to be shut down all over Ireland -- North and South. It is disgraceful that so many companies in Ireland are profiteering from the maiming and murder of peaceful and innocent civilians in the Middle East. We are calling for and supporting non-violent occupation of all weapons manufacturers that supply arms to the Israeli Military."

The protestors were arrested and charged with damaging Raytheon property. They await conviction. The cheeky blighters have got up a petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/dawc/petition.html) to sign to support them!

As if you would!

They wouldn't have been able to get into the building if a Silent Guardian had been in action. A tiny squirt of the Pain Ray would have quickly sent them yelping away.

Roll on the ADS! Coming soon! To a street near you!

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Why I mentioned Tinfoil

from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)


A spokesman for the Air Force Research Laboratory described his experience as a test subject for the system:

"For the first millisecond, it just felt like the skin was warming up. Then it got warmer and warmer and you felt like it was on fire.... As soon as you're away from that beam your skin returns to normal and there is no pain."

Electromagnetic radiation cannot pass through a conductor, so the effect can be shielded by a a conductive mesh or foil which forms a Faraday cage around the target.

nobody's_hero
05-30-2008, 04:31 AM
So, it doesn't kill you outright.

It just likely gives you cancer of some sort and kills you very slowly over a decade or two.

FindLiberty
05-30-2008, 06:06 AM
The system has voice activated failsafe that can be used to turn off the beam.

Just say, "Klaatu barada nikto".

Rangeley
05-30-2008, 06:10 AM
Your eyes are particularly sensitive to heat, thats why it is not good to stand right up to a microwave. Even though most microwaves get stopped, some don't, so it's good to keep a few feet away from it when its going. If a few escaping rays from a microwave can present a danger, it's ridiculous to think that something like this would not severely damage your eyes, if not cause outright blindness.

pcosmar
05-30-2008, 06:15 AM
Well they want to test it on US Citizens before using it in war. Isn't that nice.
http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2006/09/15/military-to-test-microwave-weapons-as-crowd-control-in-the-us/

In an effort to avoid bad international PR, the US military says it will test non-lethal devices, such as high-powered microwave weapons, on the US public before using them in war situations abroad. Air Force Secretary, Michael Wynne, said, “If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation.� He continues, �if I hit somebody with a non-lethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.” Wayne claims that by testing the devices in a domestic environment before using them in foreign battlefield situations, many possible international concerns about the safety of the weapons could be avoided.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn10084

SeanEdwards
05-30-2008, 06:17 AM
Less than lethal weapons are gay. What kind of gestapo tickles the untermenschen with a pain ray? Fix bayonets and charge, bitches!

moostraks
05-30-2008, 07:38 AM
Well they want to test it on US Citizens before using it in war. Isn't that nice.
http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2006/09/15/military-to-test-microwave-weapons-as-crowd-control-in-the-us/


http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn10084

This is nuts!!! We can now rest assured our rights are clearly secondary to those of the international community...:(

Minestra di pomodoro
05-30-2008, 07:40 AM
This is nuts!!! We can now rest assured our rights are clearly secondary to those of the international community...:(

Hogwash. This is just like police officers tazing themselves before using tazers on others. It's for better judgement is all.

SeanEdwards
05-30-2008, 07:43 AM
It's for better judgement is all.

And not only that, it's fun! Who didn't try to burn ants with a magnifying glass when they were a kid? Ok, perhaps I reveal too much... :eek:

amy31416
05-30-2008, 07:50 AM
So you're all saying that I could cook using this tool? Sweet. I've been looking for a replacement for my acetylene torch, I'm dying for some crème brûlée.

acptulsa
05-30-2008, 07:57 AM
Using it on domestic civilians is not the same as police tasering themselves. The statement reads like, we're worried about the international press but we don't care about the domestic media because we own it. People? Who cares?


I've been looking for a replacement for my acetylene torch, I'm dying for some crème brûlée.

Do you use hickory- or mesquite-flavored acetylene?

amy31416
05-30-2008, 08:05 AM
Do you use hickory- or mesquite-flavored acetylene?

For crème brûlée I use vanilla-flavored, but for chicken tartare I might consider hickory. ;)

acptulsa
05-30-2008, 08:08 AM
Raw chicken? I'm impressed. You have a stronger stomach than me...

amy31416
05-30-2008, 08:10 AM
Raw chicken? I'm impressed. You have a stronger stomach than me...

Well the sushi from Wal-Mart just wasn't giving me the adrenaline rush it used to, so I had to up the ante. . .

Luft97
05-30-2008, 08:41 AM
Old News.. This is so two months ago.. =p

Do a search for "active denial system".

CurtisLow
05-30-2008, 08:52 AM
Well the sushi from Wal-Mart just wasn't giving me the adrenaline rush it used to, so I had to up the ante. . . http://www.the420th.com/ubb/graemlins/puke.gif

pcosmar
05-30-2008, 08:58 AM
Old News.. This is so two months ago.. =p

Do a search for "active denial system".

True, but many are still under the impression that it could not happen here.


"We need a program of psychosurgery and political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.
"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.
"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain."

Dr. Jose Delgado (MKULTRA experimenter who demonstrated a radio- controlled bull on CNN in 1985)
Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
Congressional Record No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974

For more,
http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm
http://istina.rin.ru/eng/ufo/text/360.html

Luft97
05-30-2008, 09:01 AM
True, but many are still under the impression that it could not happen here.


For more,
http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm
http://istina.rin.ru/eng/ufo/text/360.html

I suppose, but I don't think it is a matter of could but a matter of when it will happen here.

acptulsa
05-30-2008, 09:06 AM
I can't help but wonder how this would affect metal like keys or pocket change...

amy31416
05-30-2008, 09:10 AM
I can't help but wonder how this would affect metal like keys or pocket change...

Well if it works like a microwave, it should arc. Could make things a bit more interesting.

jmdrake
05-30-2008, 09:20 AM
Hogwash. This is just like police officers tazing themselves before using tazers on others. It's for better judgement is all.

Oh bull! Using microwaves on crowds of U.S. citizens WHO DID NOT VOLUNTEER FOR THE EXPERIMENT is NOT the same as police tazering themselves!

Agent CSL
05-30-2008, 12:16 PM
What happens in prolonged use? Mystery solved.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1975/radiationburns1hc4.png

Uriel999
05-30-2008, 10:59 PM
My god that kid was literally cooked! Jesus, I hate the term "non lethal weapon." It is such a lie. Tazers need to be outlawed because they can cause people with weak hearts to have heart attacks and die, now the army wants to use big fuck off microwaves on people. I will say this though, this could be used as a great military tool if you wanted to block off areas using less troops to route skirmishers. However, FUCK calling that a non lethal weapon.

Mach
05-30-2008, 11:15 PM
What would reflect this "non-lethal weapon", you know, a bounce off and get what they're given kinda thing.

And just by the way, when the cops tazer each other it's not turned up like it is on the streets, they get a taste, but not the full meal deal.

Mini-Me
05-30-2008, 11:23 PM
True, but many are still under the impression that it could not happen here.


For more,
http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm
http://istina.rin.ru/eng/ufo/text/360.html

Okay, it's bad enough that they came up with the most excruciating torture device of all time, but the quotes you posted from the MKULTRA sadists were more chilling than anything else I've ever heard.

Minestra di pomodoro
05-30-2008, 11:32 PM
Oh bull! Using microwaves on crowds of U.S. citizens WHO DID NOT VOLUNTEER FOR THE EXPERIMENT is NOT the same as police tazering themselves!

If you read the articles pcosmar linked to:

http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2006/09/15/military-to-test-microwave-weapons-as-crowd-control-in-the-us/
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn10084

you would see that there's nothing in there about using them against crowds of non-consenting U.S. citizens. They were tested against volunteers.

pcosmar
05-31-2008, 07:26 AM
If you read the articles pcosmar linked to:
*
you would see that there's nothing in there about using them against crowds of non-consenting U.S. citizens. They were tested against volunteers.

Since you missed the obvious implications.
http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005Gvl

In a neatly calculated "unveiling" of weapons designed for social control, for use against civilians and the suppression of dissent, the Pentagon has gone "transparent" with the latest in electronic weapons technology which targets people. At a selective press briefing for congressional and military leaders this past March 1st, Pentagon officials stated they were "developing a new non-lethal weapon which uses electromagnetic energy to cause a burning sensation on the skin?" (Reuters, 3/1/01)

This effectively eliminates "Peaceful Assembly" for the redress of grievance.

Minestra di pomodoro
05-31-2008, 07:45 AM
This effectively eliminates "Peaceful Assembly" for the redress of grievance.

The government does not need microwaves to suppress dissent. They have water hoses, tanks, tear gas, guns, earthquake generators, just about any weapon you could think of in the military can and have been used against civilians.

pcosmar
05-31-2008, 11:13 AM
The government does not need microwaves to suppress dissent. They have water hoses, tanks, tear gas, guns, earthquake generators, just about any weapon you could think of in the military can and have been used against civilians.

Honest Government has no need to suppress dissent.
In America it has NO RIGHT to.

LiveFree79
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
So if our government is really concerned about keeping this country safe why don't they use it on the border or against the Mexican drug cartels that pose a much greater risk to our country than some terrorist chanting Peace be to Allah over in Iraq!

Carehn
05-31-2008, 01:13 PM
This is not new. You can make a simpler gun out of your microwave.

No iv never done it but there WHERE some cool videos on youtube where some kids made a microwave gun. I cant find them anymore :( but it looked ease if you want to f&ck with a microwave lol

Uriel999
05-31-2008, 02:12 PM
Honest Government has no need to suppress dissent.
In America it has NO RIGHT to.

That message should be shouted and repeated over and over at any and all peaceful protests in this country.

Mini-Me
05-31-2008, 04:55 PM
Honest Government has no need to suppress dissent.
In America it has NO RIGHT to.

Slight correction: Government NEVER has any right to, in any country. The only thing different about America is that the Framers were smart enough to explicitly point it out.

Mini-Me
06-01-2008, 08:29 PM
Argh...did anyone just see the evening news a few hours ago? I forget which channel it was, but there was blatant propaganda promoting this as some kind of nonlethal miracle weapon. They tested it on camera on soldiers posing as protesters and on reporters, in an open field with plenty of room to run, and more than likely at significantly reduced power. Hardly a word was said against it or in caution...it was spun in such a way that the average American Joe Schmoe (such as my dad, who literally had this reaction, to my abject horror and fury), will wonder, "Great! Why aren't we using it already?!?"

No mention was made of the second degree burns people have experienced. No mention was made of destroyed corneas. No mention was made about how it's especially dangerous if you're wearing glasses or contact lenses. A brief mention was made about how there's a danger it could be used as a torture device, and the bad publicity of the Abu Ghraib incident was blamed for giving this supposedly "false" impression.

In other words, it was so propagandistic that it was practically a public service announcement advocating the use of the damn thing as a "nonlethal" weapon.

pcosmar
06-01-2008, 08:33 PM
I saw it. I think it was Sixty Minutes.
Expect to see it used here this year.

Mini-Me
06-01-2008, 08:38 PM
I saw it. I think it was Sixty Minutes.
Expect to see it used here this year.

Just in time for July 12th, aye? :(
I keep trying to figure out which news agency it was based on the logo, but I don't think the one I saw was 60 Minutes. My brain is all clogged up right now, but it's the one with a logo shaped a bit like an eye - a solid circle with a football shape cut out inside with another solid circle inside of that. I feel like an idiot. ;)

Danke
06-01-2008, 09:17 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/60minutes/main3891865.shtml

pcosmar
06-01-2008, 09:42 PM
Just in time for July 12th, aye? :(
I keep trying to figure out which news agency it was based on the logo, but I don't think the one I saw was 60 Minutes. My brain is all clogged up right now, but it's the one with a logo shaped a bit like an eye - a solid circle with a football shape cut out inside with another solid circle inside of that. I feel like an idiot. ;)

This one?
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/126319.gif

Mini-Me
06-01-2008, 10:38 PM
FFS, I knew I was missing one!
I went through the list in my head - ABC, NBC CNN, MSNBC, etc.
...argh. Owned.

AgentPaul001
06-02-2008, 08:19 AM
Wow.....it was eery watching the demonstration on CBS I believe with the military using it against fake peace protestors......

badmedia
06-02-2008, 09:04 PM
reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JH1F1YnX8

DamianTV
06-02-2008, 10:45 PM
Just going briefly off the first post, I didnt read the whole thing.

Screw the tin foil hat. It wont make any difference if you cant keep them from Chipping you like Cattle.

Some of the newer technologies that are being developed, even by Microsoft itself, are to monitor your facial expressions, and in coordination with your RFID handcuff chips, monitor your blood pressure, and other vital stats to tell your boss whether or not you are doing a "good job" or not.

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

or, meh, nevermind...

Mini-Me
06-03-2008, 02:15 AM
Just going briefly off the first post, I didnt read the whole thing.

Screw the tin foil hat. It wont make any difference if you cant keep them from Chipping you like Cattle.

Some of the newer technologies that are being developed, even by Microsoft itself, are to monitor your facial expressions, and in coordination with your RFID handcuff chips, monitor your blood pressure, and other vital stats to tell your boss whether or not you are doing a "good job" or not.

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

or, meh, nevermind...

Okay, seriously. I can see them getting away with RealID - in order to survive and remain in society, people will eventually fold and take it if their state gives in. I can see them getting away with the pain ray - protesters are going to be microwaved at every event from now on, and business will carry on as usual. However - and maybe it's just because I know I absolutely would not in any way tolerate such a violation - I simply cannot see anyone getting away with implementing widescale RFID implants without having an uncontrollably violent, bloody revolution on their hands. I mean, I know it's going to be voluntary at first and highly propagandized, because of banking convenience, child safety from kidnapping, etc., and then eventually it'll be the only way to conduct transactions at all. That's how most people will be suckered into it - there will probably never be literally forced implants, due to the danger of revolt, but rather, people will be given the "choice" of being implanted or becoming unable to buy food. I simply cannot see that realization dawning on so many people without it being their breaking point. I know it's mine.