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Phantom
05-29-2008, 03:18 PM
FBI Recruiting Infiltrators for GOP Convention Protestors (http://www.discourse.net/archives/2008/05/fbi_recruiting_infiltrators_for_gop_convention_pro testors.html)

This gets complicated. According to - City Pages (Minneapolis/St. Paul), Moles Wanted, the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is recruiting people to infiltrate anti-GOP protest groups in the run-up to the upcoming Republican convention.

The law is clear that police may attend public meetings undercover to see what people are up to. And of course undercover operations in private settings are also legal, although there should be guidelines as to when they are appropriate. And of course it’s good citizenship for private citizens to report crimes when they witness them.

But this story raises a number of serious questions.

First, there’s this: the FBI told the potential informant that he “would be compensated for his efforts, but only if his involvement yielded an arrest. No exact dollar figure was offered.”

In other words, the FBI is recruiting unpaid volunteers to become infiltrators. And they get paid only if they give information leading to an arrest. Which creates a serious incentive for agents provocateurs. This is not a sensible policy at all. It is in fact a very bad idea.

Second, there’s the weird description of the targets — “vegan potlucks” — and the general sense of massive overkill, which contributes to the chilling effect discussed in the article.

I also wonder whether a similar effort is underway for the Democratic convention (not that two wrongs make a right). If it is not, would that be because of a political bias in the FBI, or a considered judgment that McCain is more likely to be a target of violence than the first Black (or female) major-party Presidential candidate?

Bottom line: we don’t want violence, but we also don’t a stifling police presence that — whatever its motives — feels like an attempt to stifle dissent.

And we especially don’t want to live in an informer nation in which people with no training and who knows what personal agendas are offered a chance to make money by stirring up trouble and then phoning the FBI.

Matt Collins
05-29-2008, 05:43 PM
Didn't Rage Against the Machine protest the DNC one year?

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
05-29-2008, 07:44 PM
In other words, the FBI is recruiting unpaid volunteers to become infiltrators. And they get paid only if they give information leading to an arrest. Which creates a serious incentive for agents provocateurs. This is not a sensible policy at all. It is in fact a very bad idea.

Since police have been caught posing as protesters and inciting confrontations themselves, it makes sense for them to sub that job out.

ItsTime
05-29-2008, 07:48 PM
Ron Paul republicans should join up.

Mach
05-30-2008, 01:28 AM
Ron Paul republicans should join up.

That's funny........ planting ourselves as plants that are keeping an eye on..... ourselves!

Indy Vidual
05-30-2008, 01:36 AM
Ron Paul republicans should join up.

That's funny........ planting ourselves as plants that are keeping an eye on..... ourselves!

:)
Good one :D