Urgent: Liberty Eagle Banned at Townhall

[Douglass Bartley]

Urgent, Urgent, Urgent. Our "Liberty Eagle" has been banned from Townhall. His/Her posts have been deleted. http://rxpaul.townhall.com

PS. I have no idea what gender Liberty is either. I often refer to him/her as "Lady Liberty" By the way, the overall support for "Liberty" is underwhelming to say the least.

[UCFGavin]

why did she get banned and why is this urgent?

[constituent]

::rubs thumb against pointer::

playing the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin.

i thought libertyeagle was a troll over there on purpose?

[mdh]

LibertyEagle is female? lol

[UCFGavin]

LibertyEagle is female? lol

thats actually the first thing i was thinking :o

[atilla]

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[lucius]

LE can come back home then...Townhall sounds like Freeperville

[Hamburglar]

thats actually the first thing i was thinking :o

Me three.

[ButchHowdy]

Dang Reptillians!

[EvoPro]

I had no idea he was... I mean she was a girl.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

[Revolution9]

LibertyEagle is female? lol

<BOGGLE>..warning:eek: ..warning:eek: watch out the images you have of other posters here..:D </BOGGLE>

Well that explains.....ummmm..something.. I'll have to figure it out later..:cool:

Regards
Randy

[ARealConservative]

so what happened?

[Electric Church]

I had no idea he was... I mean she was a girl.

I thought she was an "it".
:cool:

[Revolution9]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

It is a cruel thing when people jump all over somebody when they are simply trying to help the best way they know how. It seems from your experiences at Town Hall that Republicans have pretty closed mnds about Ron Paul and his Republican base supporters.. Why is this? Without casting blame and aspersions at others.. What is at the core of them and their seeming prejudice against RP?

Best
Randy

[lucius]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

Not the end of the world! Dust yourself off, go create a new login like LibertyEagleR26 and get back in there swinging! :)

[mdh]

It is a cruel thing when people jump all over somebody when they are simply trying to help the best way they know how. It seems from your experiences at Town Hall that Republicans have pretty closed mnds about Ron Paul and his Republican base supporters.. Why is this? Without casting blame and aspersions at others.. What is at the core of them and their seeming prejudice against RP?

Best
Randy

I think what it comes down to is that a lot of them are looking at what their party or their country can do for them, and not what they can do for their party or their country.

Ron Paul is the Republicans' only chance to keep the white house. Any Dem can beat any of the other Reps based on Bush-hatred and anti-war sentiment alone (most Dems don't understand that Hilldog and Obama are pro-war...).


Still no confirmation on LibertyEagle's gender, LOL.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, you know what Lucius, after reading the vast majority of these posts on this board, I don't much feel like trying anymore. Nor, do I much feel like staying up all night working on advertisements either, nor to donating to the vast majority of efforts initiated on this board.

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you. And that, I did not expect.

[lucius]

Well, you know what Lucius, after reading the vast majority of these posts on this board, I don't much feel like trying anymore. Nor, do I much feel like staying up all night working on advertisements either, nor to donating to the vast majority of efforts initiated on this board.

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you.

I should of picked up on that, get some sleep & it will be all better.

[JoshLowry]

Well, you know what Lucius, after reading the vast majority of these posts on this board, I don't much feel like trying anymore. Nor, do I much feel like staying up all night working on advertisements either, nor to donating to the vast majority of efforts initiated on this board.

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you. And that, I did not expect.

Take a nap and come back in a day or two.

I get discouraged at times as well. It's a tough uphill battle but we have to keep pushing. Hang in there LE!

<3

[micahnelson]

First we ignore each other, then we mock each other, then we fight each other, then we lose.

I don't want to be that guy, but we need a common focus again besides nitpicking each other. We had ames. Now what?

[Douglass Bartley]

I have no idea what gender Liberty is either. I often refer to him/her as "Lady Liberty" By the way, the overall support for "Liberty" is underwhelming to say the least.

[JoshLowry]

I never use townhall.com, is there a course of action that you can recommend we take?

Maybe include that in your original post.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I had no idea he was... I mean she was a girl.

I'm as guilty of sexism as you all. I thought she was a guy until about a month ago. Most on this forum ARE guys. For a girl -- even not for a girl -- she's terrific, and a VERY valuable supporter of Ron Paul.

I admit that I have no way of knowing how to help her on TownHall. This is just getting ridiculous. Along this line, I am going to post a letter from someone on our Meetup to Levin. (In the event you're not mad enough.)

[micahnelson]

melt the server?

[DeadheadForPaul]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

I always thought he spoke the truth. I guess I was wrong. SHE always speaks the truth. Amen, LE. I can't believe some of RP's supporters think it is okay to completely ignore, or worse, antagonize the GOP

[Douglass Bartley]

Reread the post

[Douglass Bartley]

Reread the first post.

[lynnf]

Well, you know what Lucius, after reading the vast majority of these posts on this board, I don't much feel like trying anymore. Nor, do I much feel like staying up all night working on advertisements either, nor to donating to the vast majority of efforts initiated on this board.

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you. And that, I did not expect.


Please, don't be, just chalk it up to the fact that they have a sense of humor and at least be glad for that. They don't know what you went through, and neither do I for that matter although I can guess some.

After some time has passed, please let us know some details.


lynnf

[wgadget]

Hey, Liberty Lover, we love and appreciate you!

But sleep is always good for healing the discouraged soul. Go get some...

I wanted to let you know that I haven't (yet) been kicked off of Townhall.com (I'm pianogirl); but I HAVE been permanently banned from the hannity forum.

How about this? Since I can't go to hannity, why don't you cover them (gingerly; they're VERY sensitive to ardent RP supporters), and I'll continue with Townhall.

Deal?

Now go take a long nap.

;)

[born2drv]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

Hey LE don't listen to these guys I'm glad you work so hard to spread RP's message --- but I'm confused still... .why did you get banned? is there any way to appeal? are all RP supporters being banned or just you?

[specsaregood]

Yeah, I don't get picking on LibertyEagle either. She has done as much for this campaign as anybody else here.

So with that said, why were you banned? Any official reason stated?

[micahnelson]

Yeah, I don't get picking on LibertyEagle either. She has done as much for this campaign as anybody else here.

So with that said, why were you banned? Any official reason stated?

excessive honesty? Having an Impact? Making a difference?

[Douglass Bartley]

You imbeciles know who you are. "Liberty" a Prophet Not Without Honor Save in His/Her Own House.

[DeadheadForPaul]

It is a cruel thing when people jump all over somebody when they are simply trying to help the best way they know how. It seems from your experiences at Town Hall that Republicans have pretty closed mnds about Ron Paul and his Republican base supporters.. Why is this? Without casting blame and aspersions at others.. What is at the core of them and their seeming prejudice against RP?

Best
Randy

Randy, there is a minority faction within the GOP who dislikes Paul. The Neo-Cons no longer make up the majority of the GOP, and in fact, they never did - they just misled the normal GOP members

I am personally in a few Republican organizations, and I can tell you that there are a large number of Republicans who still believe in traditional conservatism and like or are interesting in Ron Paul. I think it is ridiculous that some of our supporters are attacking potential voters who WE NEED. We're running for the nomination of the GODDAMN GOP. Why would it be a good idea to piss them off? I think a lot of people out there think that ALL Republicans are against them. WRONG. Stop this conspiracy theory stuff.

There are some powerful Neo-Cons who dislike Paul, but the truth is that they are just some high-ups who feel threatened because Dr. Paul can lead the GOP base back to small government. I've seen it with my own eyes. 3 of the 5 officers in my Campus Republicans group support Dr. Paul. My grandfather is a lifelong Republican and is supporting Dr. Paul. Let's get a grip and win these people over

[EvoPro]

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you. And that, I did not expect.

I'm sorry, I really support your efforts. I don't think anyone was insulting you. sorry you have been offended though.

[jpa]

yea, I am not sure what to do here.

Townhall banned someone, no reason given.

Townhall plays pretty fair in the past (like with the explaining the ranking system to Douglas).

So what do you want us to do? Can you tell us why she was banned?

[Douglass Bartley]

I never use townhall.com, is there a course of action that you can recommend we take?

Maybe include that in your original post.

Maybe it's time you went over there.

[Douglass Bartley]

I thought she was an "it".
:cool:

Uncool, fool

[inibo]

First we ignore each other, then we mock each other, then we fight each other, then we lose.

I don't want to be that guy, but we need a common focus again besides nitpicking each other. We had ames. Now what?

The Philly Rally and the upcoming primaries. Nothing else matters.

[Douglass Bartley]

::rubs thumb against pointer::

playing the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin.

i thought libertyeagle was a troll over there on purpose?

I don't get it, but it doesn't sound like warm support.

[JoshLowry]

Maybe it's time you went over there.

I've been pretty busy here. :p

Everyone here has always been happy to rally around wrong doings, but I think a lot of us are not sure what we can do to help in this situation.

Do you suggest emailing info@townhall.com or who? What do you recommend? I read the article you posted.

[fj45lvr]

Randy, there is a minority faction within the GOP who dislikes Paul. The Neo-Cons no longer make up the majority of the GOP, and in fact, they never did - they just misled the normal GOP members

I am personally in a few Republican organizations, and I can tell you that there are a large number of Republicans who still believe in traditional conservatism and like or are interesting in Ron Paul. I think it is ridiculous that some of our supporters are attacking potential voters who WE NEED. We're running for the nomination of the GODDAMN GOP. Why would it be a good idea to piss them off? I think a lot of people out there think that ALL Republicans are against them. WRONG. Stop this conspiracy theory stuff.

There are some powerful Neo-Cons who dislike Paul, but the truth is that they are just some high-ups who feel threatened because Dr. Paul can lead the GOP base back to small government. I've seen it with my own eyes. 3 of the 5 officers in my Campus Republicans group support Dr. Paul. My grandfather is a lifelong Republican and is supporting Dr. Paul. Let's get a grip and win these people over



Amen....whether people like it or NoT it takes "republicans" to win a "republican primary". I am proud to be a republican because of the ideas I believe the party had (not exampled in the horrible way they have squandered their opportunity of late)....it is obvious that a "label" doesn't amount to much if anything.....

Be smart people and "when in Rome do as the Romans" we need to have people look at respected members of the Party endorsing Paul to lead the way to get the party vote in contrast to "smug" or "in-your-face" activism with a ragged tag bunch of hippies, punks and other elements of society outside the republican base. I am afraid that the tendancy of these two classes is to NOT trust or respect that which the other promotes which in this case is INSANITY....could conservatives and liberals actually unite on anything???

Would a 70 year old guy with a crew cut and church membership walk alongside a 24 year old long haired kid with piercings pushing for "hemp" out of a Paul candidacy???

[mdh]

I really thought this was just a rant post, too - if there is actually something we can do to help short of actually becoming active regulars on that community (I personally lack time to take on such a massive task), please do let us know.

I always figured townhall must be pretty reasonable with hosting the rxpaul blog and all that. ;)

[Douglass Bartley]

I've been pretty busy here. :p

Everyone here has always been happy to rally around wrong doings, but I think a lot of us are not sure what we can do to help in this situation.

Do you suggest emailing info@townhall.com or who? What do you recommend? I read the article you posted.

Mail complaint.

[mdh]

The Philly Rally and the upcoming primaries. Nothing else matters.

I very strongly disagree. Lots of other efforts matter.

[Douglass Bartley]

I really thought this was just a rant post, too - if there is actually something we can do to help short of actually becoming active regulars on that community (I personally lack time to take on such a massive task), please do let us know.

I always figured townhall must be pretty reasonable with hosting the rxpaul blog and all that. ;)

Not so. Go there. Complain at my site or send E-mail listed above.

[Douglass Bartley]

I very strongly disagree. Lots of other efforts matter.

Can't you pause from effort to complain?

[JoshLowry]

Mail complaint.

People need more details than two words. What's a mail complaint? I'll be happy to figure it out on my own, but not everyone will. Post some links, that's your turf and you know it well. Give us some directions!

[mdh]

Not so. Go there. Complain at my site or send E-mail listed above.

OK, in the interests of sending emails that don't come across retarded, a few pieces of information please...

Username = "Liberty" just like that over there?

Where were they banned from? "townhall forums" or what?

I'd like to send something, but I'd like to word it as if I'm not someone who has only ever skimmed the rxpaul site, y'know... ;) So any help in that would be much appreciated. Once we have this clear info, we should be able to all send some good emails to complaint@townhall.com and hopefully turn some heads there.

[Douglass Bartley]

I always thought he spoke the truth. I guess I was wrong. SHE always speaks the truth. Amen, LE. I can't believe some of RP's supporters think it is okay to completely ignore, or worse, antagonize the GOP

Whether Liberty is man or woman is none of anyone's concern here. What's important is that L. is not a quiche eater, like some others here not including you.

[ARealConservative]

Whether Liberty is man or woman is none of anyone's concern here. What's important is that L. is not a quiche eater, like some others here not including you.

I like quiche. :confused:

[mdh]

Real Programmers...

* Don't eat quiche. Real programmers don't even know how to SPELL quiche! They like Twinkies, Coke, and palate-scorching Szechwan food.
* Don't write applications programs. They program right down to the bare metal. Applications programs are for dullards who can't do systems programming.
* Don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand and even harder to modify.
* Don't draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are, after all, the illiterate's form of documentation. Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how much it did for them.
* Don't use COBOL. COBOL is for wimpy applications programmers.
* Don't use FORTRAN. FORTRAN is for wimpy engineers who wear white socks, pipe stress freaks, and crystallography weenies. They get excited over finite state analysis and nuclear reactor simulations.
* Don't use LOGO. In fact no programmers use LOGO after puberty.
* Don't use APL unless the whole program can be written on one line.
* Don't use LISP. Only effeminate programmers use more parentheses than actual code.
* Don't use Pascal, BLISS, ADA, or any of those sissy-pinko computer science languages. Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories.
* Never work 9 to 5. If any are around at 9 a.m. it's because they were up all night.
* Don't play tennis or any other sport that requires a change of clothes. Mountain climbing is OK, though, and real programmers often wear climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room.
* Don't like the team programming concept. Unless, of course, they are the "Chief Programmer."
* Have no use for managers. Managers are a necessary evil. They are for dealing with personnel bozos, bean counters, senior planners, and other mental defectives.
* Don't drive clapped out Mavericks. They prefer BMW's, Lincolns, or pick-up trucks with floor shifts. Fast motorcycles are also highly regarded.
* Like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate the corn is popping.
* Know every nuance of every instruction and use them all in every real program. Puppy architects won't allow execute instructions to address another execute as the target instruction. Real programmers despise such petty restrictions.
* Don't bring brown bag lunches to work. If the vending machine sells it, they eat it. If the vending machine doesn't sell it, they don't eat it. Vending machines don't sell quiche.

[LibertyBelle]

LE, still waiting to hear the reason they gave for banning you. Can you please throw us a bone? Need some details so know how to proceed. :)

[ARealConservative]

Real Programmers...

* Don't eat quiche. Real programmers don't even know how to SPELL quiche! They like Twinkies, Coke, and palate-scorching Szechwan food.
* Don't write applications programs. They program right down to the bare metal. Applications programs are for dullards who can't do systems programming.
* Don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand and even harder to modify.
* Don't draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are, after all, the illiterate's form of documentation. Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how much it did for them.
* Don't use COBOL. COBOL is for wimpy applications programmers.
* Don't use FORTRAN. FORTRAN is for wimpy engineers who wear white socks, pipe stress freaks, and crystallography weenies. They get excited over finite state analysis and nuclear reactor simulations.
* Don't use LOGO. In fact no programmers use LOGO after puberty.
* Don't use APL unless the whole program can be written on one line.
* Don't use LISP. Only effeminate programmers use more parentheses than actual code.
* Don't use Pascal, BLISS, ADA, or any of those sissy-pinko computer science languages. Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories.
* Never work 9 to 5. If any are around at 9 a.m. it's because they were up all night.
* Don't play tennis or any other sport that requires a change of clothes. Mountain climbing is OK, though, and real programmers often wear climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room.
* Don't like the team programming concept. Unless, of course, they are the "Chief Programmer."
* Have no use for managers. Managers are a necessary evil. They are for dealing with personnel bozos, bean counters, senior planners, and other mental defectives.
* Don't drive clapped out Mavericks. They prefer BMW's, Lincolns, or pick-up trucks with floor shifts. Fast motorcycles are also highly regarded.
* Like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate the corn is popping.
* Know every nuance of every instruction and use them all in every real program. Puppy architects won't allow execute instructions to address another execute as the target instruction. Real programmers despise such petty restrictions.
* Don't bring brown bag lunches to work. If the vending machine sells it, they eat it. If the vending machine doesn't sell it, they don't eat it. Vending machines don't sell quiche.

That explains it. I have had jobs using COBOL, PASCAL, and FORTRAN.

I also once bought a Ford Maverick on a credit card with a $500 limit.

I'm a quiche eater and proud of it. :D

[lynnf]

LE, still waiting to hear the reason they gave for banning you. Can you please throw us a bone? Need some details so know how to proceed. :)



Shhhhh!
probably sleeping zzzzzzzzzzzzz.........


lynnf

[lynnf]

I've been pretty busy here. :p

Everyone here has always been happy to rally around wrong doings, but I think a lot of us are not sure what we can do to help in this situation.

Do you suggest emailing info@townhall.com or who? What do you recommend? I read the article you posted.


I think he meant this email address: http://rxpaul.townhall.com but he has been
very cryptic.

lynnf

[LibertyBelle]

Shhhhh!
probably sleeping zzzzzzzzzzzzz.........


lynnf

Ok, will tiptoe for now. The curiosity is killing me! :D

[LibertyEagle]

LE, still waiting to hear the reason they gave for banning you. Can you please throw us a bone? Need some details so know how to proceed. :)

They gave no reason. That's the way they do it over there.

Here is what happened. There is a woman named Anne, who, how should I say it, is devoid of brain cells, that goes around from thread to thread making stupid little negative comments about Dr. Paul, with no substantiation whatsoever. She and I have tangled before, but she is so easy to defeat, it's really no challenge. So, she started acting like she was ignoring me. Preferring instead to make side slams while pretending to post to someone else. Yes, very childish.

A few days ago under Garthwaite's column, she was totally squashed. Not by rudeness or innuendo, but by facts. She ran away with her tail between her legs, as is usually the case. One of our own forum members laid her out FLAT. :p And believe me, she was outta there.

Then, a couple of days ago, she started up again under Star Parker's column about 'ol Fred. Claiming again that Dr. Paul did not have military support, as was implied through his campaign donations. Calling him ronniepaul, his supporters "freaks" She and others went so far to say that it had been all made up. She apparently went to get reinforcements and over they came. Most of these people I had never seen before. The worst ones were the lieutenant and his ex-mililtary LAWYER father. It went downhill from there. I was basically called every name in the book, was accused of committing fraud (it was even said that I had participated in what they think was fraud in attributing donations to various branches of the military) to the FEC, told that they had sent this claim to TownHall, Dr. Paul's campaign and the FEC, threatened me with a lawsuit (the lieutenant's father claimed be a lawyer in Utah) for my telling Anne she lied, and I was also accused of libel and slander. The ex-military father claimed I quoted him incorrectly when I did one of these ".... the text begins now". Actually, the whole thing was surreal.

I think that about sums it up. I had never in my life seen someone use the language that this man used on TownHall. TownHall let it stand until today. If they were going to remove me, they HAD to remove him. Maybe that was the ploy from the very beginning. I could have done much better, but I think I did pretty well in not responding to the name-calling and insults flying around. All in all, I think I held my head fairly well. That is why I am a little surprised to have been the one, banned, as I did not respond in kind.

Oh well.

I'm not sure how well I did describing the whole thing, but it's the best I can do right this minute.

I think Doug has part of the thread saved, before my existence was erased, not to mention ex-military daddy lawyer.

[Revolution9]

Well, you know what Lucius, after reading the vast majority of these posts on this board, I don't much feel like trying anymore. Nor, do I much feel like staying up all night working on advertisements either, nor to donating to the vast majority of efforts initiated on this board.

Maybe I just need some sleep. I am discouraged and right now, I feel insulted and betrayed by many of you. And that, I did not expect.

Hey.. I felt like that last night.. See my screeds all over the place.. But I had my nap and today I got the local precinct police committed to vote for RP and spread literature at the main HQ and Rob, the guy who pulls the permits for the local ebents is pals with Mastodon and he is gonna push them to headline the Fall Freedom Harvest Festival Fundraiser for Ron Paul and The Revolution... He has played with them for years and they backed up the JC Superstar show put on by the neignborhood rock and rollers as well as an iron Maiden based melodramatic musical for the 6/06/06 and 7/07/07 shows.. He is voting RP thanks to my pushing and info and link provisions..

It ain't all bad.. It musta been in the stars and t just takes different vortexia time to run it through their experiential morphologies.

Best
Randy

[freelance]

Holy Cow,

I leave for 10 days for personal reasons, take a quick break to check in and what do I find? Our own LibertyEagle verbally assaulted and threatened over on TownHall and everyone over here at everyone else's throat?

Where is ChicagoLawyer? Perhaps he would be the one to respond to that fraud crap.

LibertyEagle, can you get over to TownHall and print out the appropriate posts for safekeeping before they disappear--just to CYA? Things have a way of disappearing and it'll take you forever to retrieve them through the way back machine.

I don't even have time to make this post right now, but LibertyEagle, I feel your pain. From what I've seen on TownHall, I'm actually surprised that they allow any Ron Paul discussion. I swear I think that many traditional Republicans who have fallen for the neocon line are suffering from the political version of spousal abuse! That's the only thing that makes sense of the way they insist on eating their own.

I cannot believe what has happened to this forum in the past 10 days! Where's the sense of community? Where's the sense of purpose? Have you guys lost sight of the fact that we could easily implode from within? There were so many great things happening over here that we can't let little personal differences get in the way of our singular goal: electing Dr. Paul. Nothing else matters.

I'm just as glad that I missed the last 10 days, and I hope to be back in another 10 days. With all the good Ron Paul news going on out there in the real world, maybe things will settle down here. OTOH, with all the horrific world news, maybe this is just us venting our frustrations in general and kicking the cat.

Oh, and did I mention 15 days of over 100 degrees and the central air decided to take a vacation???

[Revolution9]

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Be smart people and "when in Rome do as the Romans" we need to have people look at respected members of the Party endorsing Paul to lead the way to get the party vote in contrast to "smug" or "in-your-face" activism with a ragged tag bunch of hippies, punks and other elements of society outside the republican base.

See..now talk like ths prejudiced pile of garbage pisses me right off and I want to stomp someoneones disrespectful and archaic di*** into the dirt. Why are you trying to start a fight? Are you claiming that conservatives and people passionate about their freedom and liberty have shorn locks and neat suits, starched shirts or casual polo shirts??? What are you trying to say with this bunch of prejudicial tripe you have posted up here. You are directing this at MY people and my sons friends ...in case you're wondering why i confront you wth your prejudices.

The Republican Party is moribund and about to keel over off its commode it has to be lashed into due to insensibility and debilitation and aging in the ranks. At the local levels they are lucky to have 5K in funds to throw events with. You need new blood in the registered ranks and your criteria that looks define cultural sensibilities, devotion to a cause, political activism and acceptability is demeaning and uncalled for. You show your true colors. It seems to me the Republican Party would be a heck of alot more American representative if this mindset were trashcanned where it belongs. You are mistaking the books contents for the cover and engaging in collective denouncement of people based on their looks and personal lifestyles. You seem to not care that they too want their country back and DO NOT want to go to war or get taxed into starvation. Feel free to correct my perceptions if I have misfired. I am all ears.

Best Regards
Randy

[Dustancostine]

It there a link that we can get to enter the townhall fray? I have always considered my self a conservative republican. I will battle them to the death.

--Dustan

[Thunderbolt]

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[Thunderbolt]

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[LibertyEagle]

Here is where you can make comments, if anyone is so disposed:
1. Here, on Douglass' blog in the comments section:
http://rxpaul.townhall.com/g/a9cca7c4-817a-476a-a74f-ee29480ae828&comments=true#comments

2. Or by emailing TownHall here:
info@townhall.com

You will notice that the mod, Josue, referencing his blog of guidelines, part of which is:


We know you support certain candidates of your choice, so feel free to promote them and their views. But excessive, repetitive and abusive posts promoting an issue or candidate may be removed at the moderator's discretion. Take efforts to be respectful when making arguments against other's point of views or candidates of choice.

We are really working hard to maintain a respectful and decorous tone in the comments area so individuals of all perspectives and opinions can engage in constructive conversation.
http://josue.townhall.com/


So, why is it that the posts calling Ron Paul supporters, "freaks" and accusing me and others of having committed fraud by somehow dummying up the contributions to look like they came from the military, are still there? I guess that's ok, eh?

I'm still waiting to get the saved thread from Douglass.

[Kuldebar]

/sigh

The drama continues in one for(u)m or another...

[LibertyEagle]

... and your point is, Kuldebar?

[bobmurph]

Sorry to hear about the BS you had to deal with on Townhall LibertyEagle. I've said from the beginning that we MUST convert "traditional conservatives" for RP to win the GOP nomination....and what you're doing over there is the right thing. It is foolish to think we can abandon the people who actually vote in the GOP primary and expect to win the nomination.

Many of these traditional conservatives...or shall I say neo-cons, as many people in the RP camp insist on calling them, CAN and MUST be converted to have any chance at winning. Despite what many people over here think, many (not all) "neo-cons" CAN think for themselves and DO believe in the ideals of liberty & the Consititution. In fact, it annoys me to no end to see these average people who consider themselves Republican conservatives referred to as "neo-cons". It's one thing to call politicians, beaurocrats & talking heads neo-cons...but the voters...it just turns them away. Calling a group of voters "neo-cons" does absolutely no good. Zero. And when they hear Ron Paul supporters name caling it only makes the traditional conservatives that DO support President Bush & the war in Iraq think that his supporters & Dr. Paul himself are a bunch of liberal defeatists like John Murtha & John Kerry who want to see the US lose in Iraq to support a political agenda.

We supporters know, of course, that RP's intentions to leave Iraq are NOT motivated by a political agenda, ala many of the Democrats, but are becuase he genuinely believes it is unconstituional to be there in the first place and staying there may be worse than just leaving. BUT, the traditional conservatives, who listen to Rush & Hannity, and watch Fox News DON'T...and WON'T differentiate between the two very different motivations between Ron Paul's Iraq Policy and Hillary Clinton's unless WE make an effort to explain it to them (because the MSM sure as hell won't).

These people can be converted. And to blow off an effort to attract ANY of them to Ron Paul's message on a site like Townhall is absurd.

Good work LE...sorry you were threatened.

[Dlynne]

Yes, it is so much better to sit here and act like one can win the REPUBLICAN nomination by either:

1. Acting like we can totally ignore all Republicans and still win the nomination of the Republican party.

2. Wholesale insulting all members of the Republican Party.

3. Thinking it's a good thing to hook up with socialists/communists protesting the war, because you might be able to hand out a few Ron Paul flyers.

Douglass, I and a few others have been working on TownHall for months. It seemed like a good thing to do because, TownHall is the biggest Republican website in existence. Believe it or not, there are actually a few decent people over there, but more importantly are the people who read the articles and comments, who never say a thing.

Douglass started a blog and now, it is the NUMBER ONE blog on TownHall and it is predominantly about Ron Paul.

I realize some of you think this is a big laugh riot, but I do not. Whether you understand it or not, things had been changing there for about the last couple of months. It was quite encouraging. I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

Take heart! My dad is a retired Baptist minister, and thought George Bush was practically God-annointed. But now my Dad is livid with what he calls "the Republican mess" and is on the verge of committing to vote for RP in the Republican primaries. His anger started with the immigration fiasco. This led him to read more widely and to begin questioning a lot of other things....including the Iraq war.

So there is hope. If my Dad is willing to look at RP seriously, things are changing. You can trust me on this.

[jjschless]

I would have expected some support here, but what do I get? Childish insults. Thanks a lot, guys!

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!.....

I have seen a bunch of posts like this lately: a dejected person due to comments by others on the board.

Here's a bit of helpful advice:

FUCK THE TROLLS!!

Ignore them, laugh at them, curse them but whatever you do, don't allow them to bring you down. This board is crawling with trolls and likely agent provocateurs. Don't give in to them. These fools and their negative mindsets are a nuisance and nothing more.

LibertyEagle, Stand tall with your chin up because at the end of the day you will know that you have done more for the movement and our country than any of these panty waste griefers.

[Revolution9]

Sorry to hear about the BS you had to deal with on Townhall LibertyEagle. I've said from the beginning that we MUST convert "traditional conservatives" for RP to win the GOP nomination....and what you're doing over there is the right thing. It is foolish to think we can abandon the people who actually vote in the GOP primary and expect to win the nomination.

Many of these traditional conservatives...or shall I say neo-cons, as many people in the RP camp insist on calling them, CAN and MUST be converted to have any chance at winning. Despite what many people over here think, many (not all) "neo-cons" CAN think for themselves and DO believe in the ideals of liberty & the Consititution. In fact, it annoys me to no end to see these average people who consider themselves Republican conservatives referred to as "neo-cons". It's one thing to call politicians, beaurocrats & talking heads neo-cons...but the voters...it just turns them away. Calling a group of voters "neo-cons" does absolutely no good. Zero. And when they hear Ron Paul supporters name caling it only makes the traditional conservatives that DO support President Bush & the war in Iraq think that his supporters & Dr. Paul himself are a bunch of liberal defeatists like John Murtha & John Kerry who want to see the US lose in Iraq to support a political agenda.

We supporters know, of course, that RP's intentions to leave Iraq are NOT motivated by a political agenda, ala many of the Democrats, but are becuase he genuinely believes it is unconstituional to be there in the first place and staying there may be worse than just leaving. BUT, the traditional conservatives, who listen to Rush & Hannity, and watch Fox News DON'T...and WON'T differentiate between the two very different motivations between Ron Paul's Iraq Policy and Hillary Clinton's unless WE make an effort to explain it to them (because the MSM sure as hell won't).

These people can be converted. And to blow off an effort to attract ANY of them to Ron Paul's message on a site like Townhall is absurd.

Good work LE...sorry you were threatened.

??? eh? Who is doing what now?? Where?? How?? After you get that ground covered tell me why?? I am really coming to a loss trying to understand this mindset. The people on this board who were average republican voters but who no longer are on board with the Bush/Neocon doctrine/regime have called themselves former neocons.. So you are saying that the traditional republicans are trashing themselves and will lose their own support?? It doesn't make sense. I don't think I would be of any service over at townhall. It is not based on any kind of logical paradigm I can grasp at the common sense level. Enlighten me.

Best Regards
Randy

[Revolution9]

... and your point is, Kuldebar?

Ya know.. If i see this statement from a man I think one thing and from a lady I think another.. Can you confirm?:D

Picture if you wil the following scenarios;


<firm bellowing gruff guy voice>..and your point is, Kuldebar?

<slightly hurt femnine voice>.and your point is, Kuldebar?

See the difference? First one ya klnda wanna smack him for being a sissy. Second one ya feel kinda sorry for her..

Best
Randy

[FluffyUnbound]

??? eh? Who is doing what now?? Where?? How?? After you get that ground covered tell me why?? I am really coming to a loss trying to understand this mindset. The people on this board who were average republican voters but who no longer are on board with the Bush/Neocon doctrine/regime have called themselves former neocons.. So you are saying that the traditional republicans are trashing themselves and will lose their own support?? It doesn't make sense. I don't think I would be of any service over at townhall. It is not based on any kind of logical paradigm I can grasp at the common sense level. Enlighten me.

Best Regards
Randy

It's at least possible that a certain percentage of the rump war support in the Republican party feels trapped into supporting the war because it's the policy of a Republican President.

Those people can be converted away from support of the front runners if they think there's a legitimate alternative available. They won't switch to a Democrat because of party loyalty, and they currently won't switch to Paul because they've been told he's a kook who doesn't have a serious campaign. The only way to counteract that is with persistence.

I know I don't have the temperament to do it. It requires a lot of patience to stand around and take neocon abuse while providing the alternative view and chipping away at the dominant party paradigm. I don't have that kind of patience and would wig out on people. But if you do have that kind of patience, Townhall is a pretty good place for you to be - assuming you're not out doing real world work. Heck, even freerepublic isn't the worst place in the world to be. The resistance is being ground down over there too.

[bobmurph]

??? eh? Who is doing what now?? Where?? How?? After you get that ground covered tell me why?? I am really coming to a loss trying to understand this mindset. The people on this board who were average republican voters but who no longer are on board with the Bush/Neocon doctrine/regime have called themselves former neocons.. So you are saying that the traditional republicans are trashing themselves and will lose their own support?? It doesn't make sense. I don't think I would be of any service over at townhall. It is not based on any kind of logical paradigm I can grasp at the common sense level. Enlighten me.

Best Regards
Randy

::::Traditional Convservative/Neo-Con Mindset::::

People who use the term "neo-con" are liberals.

Ron Paul supporters use the term "neo-con"

-->Ron Paul must be a liberal.

::::/mindset::::

Sorry, didn't intend to hijack the thread over the use/misuse of the term neo-con.

The lesson from this thread should be that over here we're all on the same team...and attacking eachother does us no good. I've never posted on Townhall. But surely, any effort to convert any person or group of people (whether they come from a liberal background or a conservative one) should be commended.

[Shink]

--

[jpa]

This is a very interesting forum. For some reason I cannot fathom, this LibertyEagle person, who seems very helpful to you all (I went back and looked at his posts), has all of sudden been attacked by a few folks especially that electric something or other.

How do you all expect to win anything attacking one of your own? This has been like watching a mother wolf eat half of her puppies or something.

I am new to this forum, but I not sure I like it much. There seems to be a lot of infighting and name calling. Funniest yet, is that I don't know Liberty at all, and this Douglass guy just happens to mention that he might be a he or a she because with a moniker like that you just can't tell. And then a whole bunch of braindead creeps pile on and "call her a girl." What is this high school?

I am looking for a real opportunity to help out Ron Paul. Liberty asked for help, instead you decided to jump on this possibility that he might be a girl as if gossip is much more important to you'll than actually trying to help.

I can see why this board has such a bad reputation in other places. I just wanted to see for myself.

Wherever there is a popular spot, the anti-social types will come. We have to learn to ignore them. By replying to them and fighting them, it just urges them on more.

Whenever I see a forum member attack another, I put them on my personal ignore list.

[Revolution9]

Wherever there is a popular spot, the anti-social types will come. We have to learn to ignore them. By replying to them and fighting them, it just urges them on more.

Whenever I see a forum member attack another, I put them on my personal ignore list.

Even me??:D

Testing..Testing..

LOL!
Randy

[wgadget]

Yep, www.townhall.com is full of neo-cons. I used to be one myself, until I got hit in the head with the common sense talk of Ron Paul. The Constitution supersedes and overarches any petty partisan differences between people.

Which is why I think we're experiencing a little bit of *ahem* rancor here. We all come to Ron Paul from different avenues.

This kinda reminds me of the scripture in the Bible about the different parts of the body (this is allegory) all being important. I think it's in Timothy. We all are important parts of the "body" of the Ron Paul organization, and yes, we all have different strengths and weaknesses; but when we all work together like we're supposed to, we can create a thing of beauty---maybe even win the nomination for President and beyond.

We just have to be aware that we're all different but all useful in our own ways. And we just need to make sure we're all working to capacity.

[Roxi]

who in the hell said liberty eagle was a girl? the OP said he didn't know and then someone said she and now it has been declared as fact?

LE has done a lot for this campaign, its a shame that RP supporters have now resorted to personal attacks on one another. especially on a public forum.

what this campaign has going for it, and the reason i think ron paul will win is because the message he conveys appeals to a wide variety of personalities, so not just one group of people will jump on the supporter bandwagon the way it has been in past elections. The underdog actually has a chance this time

BUT if the infighting, and insults keeps up, we will turn off many a new ron paul supporter.. i used to send people to this forum and tell them they could get the best info here and all the new news... now the people i sent here have all told me they don't enjoy coming here anymore because the first 25 posts in the new section are all about down with this guy or off with his head sentiments
THIS REALLY NEEDS TO F****ING STOP

if you have a problem with another board member, why don't you take the adult route and PM them with your concerns, if it isn't resolved and something that needs to be brought to everyones attention then so be it. but everyone else doesn't need to chime in with thier own black ball this person comments, its really stupid, and there are a few people on here that i have always respected and thought a lot of until the last few days and the childishness i have seen them display.

we are all trying to do things for the campaign. if you have an idea post it, if other people think its a good idea they will respond accordingly... if you dont think its a good idea then say why without being negative or name calling

[Revolution9]

::::Traditional Convservative/Neo-Con Mindset::::

People who use the term "neo-con" are liberals.

Ron Paul supporters use the term "neo-con"

-->Ron Paul must be a liberal.

::::/mindset::::

Sorry, didn't intend to hijack the thread over the use/misuse of the term neo-con.

The lesson from this thread should be that over here we're all on the same team...and attacking eachother does us no good. I've never posted on Townhall. But surely, any effort to convert any person or group of people (whether they come from a liberal background or a conservative one) should be commended.

I totally agree with your last sentments and can see how when ired in any group paradigm you have deemed yourself a herd member of it is tough to break the convictions..chains though they may be.. It occurred to me on my lttle walk around the block just now that alot of the kids who look cunterculture have been infolrming their parents about Ron Paul and many learned from hm on music forums or myspace bulletins.. Yes..no body should be counted out.. I will betcha the old codger wing of the Party would just love all these bright sparkling young women who do not buy into the feminazi paradigm and look forward to a family and children and a traditional American way of life whilst still pursuing degrees in chemistry and law and poltical history... They just happen to dress up and listen to different music.

Best
Randy

[Lord Xar]

I think what we have happening here is a group, a small group, of agitators. On one post they are very supportive, on another demeaning and inappropriate.

Here is the thing. IF someone is not positive, and being sincere in the criticism they are probably here to sow discord and problems.

Just like over at TownHall, they probably felt threatened and being that perhaps LibertyEagle (yes, she is a female - I talked to her on the phone previously) was making a difference - so what happens, someone - an aggitator instigates something and then all hell breaks loose.

See, they are doing this at the rallies and marches too. We will start seeing this. Agitators where we are causing damage and raising hell and then point fingers.
Remember, IFFFFFFF there are agitators... point fingers at them and make it VERY CLEAR they are not in support of ron paul... You have to turn it on them...

What happened to LibertyEagle is not right. Now, some here tell her to stop the complaining or whatever and just come off as being "above it all" - yet, what have these posters done, or doing?

My peronal opinion is that LibertyEagle and others were being too effective, so they were neutralized. I mean, a "father" comes on and talks about slander or whatever about the FCC -- this absolutely ridiculous and typical scare tactics.

Don't you realize that this is what they do?

LibertyEagle, I say - ask the admin to give you a written reason why they canned you, in the meantime Sign back up and convert those who need converting.. Shit, start your OWN blog!!!!!! and get out there and do what you do best!!

Think of it this way, if there are those on this board who do not appreciate your sacrifice or what you are doing - then chances are they are probably not even "real" supporters or anything other than internet warriors.

This campaign is about unity and freedom. There are those who "truly believe" we are in the way of their agendas, and its a shame.. but you know --- what does that tell you? WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE, WE ARE MAKING THEM NERVOUS... they are trying to undermine us at a local/grassroots level right now...

phuck em' keep going..

[lucius]

phuck em' keep going..

Yes, this is a revolution, it is going to get nastier, time to get more feral...

[wgadget]

Exactly.

I had a new thread deleted after ONE DAY over on a trucker's forum, for heaven's sakes. That was yesterday. I only asked if there were any Ron Paul supporters that were out there. Well, the moderator got on there and insulted me thoroughly, and let me know that RP was a "fringe" candidate, etc., etc., etc.

I told him I was not trying to offend anyone and then explained some of RP's positions broadly. Next thing ya know, the entire thread is gone. I think I can find the explanation from the forum if I look through my email trash.

Several times, I've posted youtube videos about RP on Craigslist that have been booed, hissed, flagged and removed. Like I said earlier, I have been permanently banned from hannity.com for posting a youtub video.

I think they're TRULY afraid of the success of Ron Paul. That is a GOOD sign.

We will just have to work a little harder. And PRAY a lot.

[Roxi]

Is this normally what it is like?


NO not at all... sometimes we disagree on stuff but not like this


here's my theory: the insurgence of shills has become bigger and more apparent. nobody knows who to trust anymore so anyone new is feared as a "troll" and now its gotten a lot of people on edge... a lot of us tried to warn about this before it started. we knew once the people outside the supporter network found out this was a real threat to them they would do what they could to fight it.

there are many rich people out there who fear a ron paul presidency because they won't be able to scam their money anymore. they are going to try to turn us against each other. DON"T LET THEM WIN!!!!!!!!!!

if they succeed this campaign is over

[constituent]

just as a reminder... don't look to the internet as a reflection of the campaign. don't assume that because rifts develop at this site or another that means that somehow the freedom movement or campaign is in jeopardy or slowing down.

face it if you support archaic notions like self-reliance, civil liberties, habeas corpus, then you are out of touch with your times (atleast the approved version of 'your times'). this problem can be fixed gradually as we are, of course, the authors of our own times, but it is just an issue of 'the times' being dictated on the streets, in our homes, and communities rather than by the ministry on radio, t.v., at work and the movies.

but in the meanwhile, expect an uphill battle at every turn.

LibertyEagle being booted from some forum is just another example of this very issue playing out. It's kinda the, 'well it is someone's private property' issue that has played out here so often. although i could have sworn that at some point l.e. said something about being a troll (which i found amusing) over there or something... i might be wrong. anyway...

just a couple of thoughts.

[Revolution9]

I<snipped for emphasis> Shit, start your OWN blog!!!!!! and get out there and do what you do best!!



The lord is not steering you wrong LE.. And I ask that you as a lady excuse some of my previous behaviour and remarks with you. I hAd always thought you were a man and I tend in text to put a voice behind reading to get context..it's the monkey brain thing to do. Ergo the head to head nature of my interchanges with you.. I think you will find my tone appropriately changed in this regard having been brought up to be a gentleman when proper..and a shit disturber when necessary. I think I would like to pose a little story as to where I get my "political" character from so you can get the gist of my roots.

My dad joined the Canadian Army and served in The Black Watch during WWII. He signed up when he was just turned 15 and had his older sister lie about his age in a letter to the recruiter. He fought successfuly at Dieppe and helped liberate France and marched to victory. OK..Background is illustrated to show he thinks he has done his duty..onward to 1962 and I am going to Kindergarten. He buys me some really nice grey dress slacks and a white shirt. The second day a city crew comes by and splashes a few spots of tar on my pants. He is ready to give hell about playing in my good clothes and finds out the city crews did it.. Well he jumps on the phone and phones the Mayor.. The secretary gives him the runaround so wango tango we are in the car with him in full dress uniform and cussing the whole way about "simple servants" and "these goddamned idiots think they are in charge when i pay my goddamned taxes". When we get to City Hall we march right by everybody wanting to ask questions ..into the Mayors office, right past the secretary and he puts me front and center of the Mayors desk with ths big unformed warrior glaring at him. My dad barks out that the City is gonna pay the goddamned dry cleaning bills. The Mayor takes out the chequebook and writes my dad a cheque for 2.30 on the spot. My dad shakes his hand and leaves.

That is the roots of my plitical actvism.

Chin up LE.

Best
Randy

[LibertyEagle]

LibertyEagle being booted from some forum is just another example of this very issue playing out. It's kinda the, 'well it is someone's private property' issue that has played out here so often. although i could have sworn that at some point l.e. said something about being a troll (which i found amusing) over there or something... i might be wrong. anyway...

just a couple of thoughts.


Well then, you would be wrong. I never have said that, nor was that what I was doing over there. I am a conservative Republican. Townhall professes to be a conservative website. See the "fit"? We can't just wholesale ignore Republicans and expect to win this REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. Perhaps you see it otherwise.

TownHall is also not just "some forum", it is the largest Republican web site on the web.

[LibertyEagle]

Thanks, Randy. I'll be right back as soon as I catch my breath. I can always start over there with a new ID. The main reason I hate it, is because there were some people who trusted me, because I was known to back up what I said. That took quite a few months to accomplish. Oh well. What's done is done. Onward and upward, right. :)

[mtmedlin]

Your banishment has earned Ron Paul $100. I felt it necessary to protest their actions. :)

[Revolution9]

Your banishment has earned Ron Paul $100. I felt it necessary to protest their actions. :)

There ya go LE.. You are now a paid political fighter for Dr Paul.. Go smack a few more truths in their face.. We'll get 100 bucks to the campaign for each identity they ban that you create and post with:D

Best
Randy

[jonahtrainer]

Thanks, Randy. I'll be right back as soon as I catch my breath. I can always start over there with a new ID. The main reason I hate it, is because there were some people who trusted me, because I was known to back up what I said. That took quite a few months to accomplish. Oh well. What's done is done. Onward and upward, right. :)

I have found that banning people usually results in blowback to the banner. Banning is a method of force used to silence dissent. We are in a battle of ideas. Money and Force are impotent against ideas. Ideas can only be overcome by other ideas. Those who trusted you, now see you silenced, and that will sow in them great distrust for those who silenced you.

Of course, I speak from experience because I have posted on and been banned by Redstate quite a bit. Being able to spoof IP addresses is a wonderful tool ;)

I have found that satire makes for a wonderful way to approach some ideas. This is a reason Stewart and Colbert are so successful.

The fredthompsonforums.com is a great example of a hijacked board. No one knows who is serious and who isn't because of the satire. Nevertheless, the absurdity of their ideas come through and they become more receptive to better ideas. I think infiltrating other boards, using satire and their own ideas against their common sense is a most effective weapon.

[trispear]

I've been banned from the Hannity forums. It's not hard to break all their extensive rules (like making a post) when you don't follow the moderator's neo-conservative values.

Otherwise, if you do, they give you a lot more leeway.

[mtmedlin]

There ya go LE.. You are now a paid political fighter for Dr Paul.. Go smack a few more truths in their face.. We'll get 100 bucks to the campaign for each identity they ban that you create and post with:D

Best
Randy

Hey now, that was a one time pick me up donation. I damn near had to sell a pint of blood to come up with another 100 and since the vasectomy, well lets just say that my ability to make extra money has been severly limited.

[LibertyEagle]

The fredthompsonforums.com is a great example of a hijacked board. No one knows who is serious and who isn't because of the satire. Nevertheless, the absurdity of their ideas come through and they become more receptive to better ideas. I think infiltrating other boards, using satire and their own ideas against their common sense is a most effective weapon.

hhmmm..... I hadn't thought of that. That might be kind of fun for awhile actually to do that over on TownHall. Problem is, they might agree with me. :eek: :p

[trispear]

hhmmm..... I hadn't thought of that. That might be kind of fun for awhile actually to do that over on TownHall. Problem is, they might agree with me. :eek: :p

See you there. One way to help that site is by googling "fred thompson" and then clicking on that site. They are on the fourth page currently. I can't wait until it gets to page 1^_^

[LibertyEagle]

I'm talking about doing that same thing over on www.townhall.com Is that what you were talking about? I might be able to get some ideas from the Fred Thompson forum, but there's not many Republicans over there to convert, at least from what I saw. There's a ton of 'em over on TownHall and a lot more who view the comments.

[jonahtrainer]

See you there. One way to help that site is by googling "fred thompson" and then clicking on that site. They are on the fourth page currently. I can't wait until it gets to page 1^_^

We are so bad! :D

Remember, when you are on fredthompsonforum.com to pet 'Mark Levin's pet lizard'.

[jonahtrainer]

Hey now, that was a one time pick me up donation. I damn near had to sell a pint of blood to come up with another 100 and since the vasectomy, well lets just say that my ability to make extra money has been severly limited.

And the darn Red Cross has lobbied for legislation making it illegal to sell one's own blood. When the price is $0 the supply is greatly reduced so no wonder we have blood shortages and people die. All so the Red Cross can pay their executives lots of money.

To make matters worse when one makes a donation to a charity the IRS usually gives the FMV of the good as a charitable deduction. They may take the position that donating the physical good of blood is a 'service' and therefore one cannot take a deduction for the FMV of the blood which is about $250. Imagine taking a $250 charitable deduction for donating blood; that is about $80 a prick off your tax bill!

[Electric Church]

LE, ....Can you please throw us a bone? :)


hmmmm my suspicions were correct
:cool:

[maxmerkel]

Liberty won !!!

from the comments section at http://rxpaul.townhall.com/g/02042dc5-ed30-4523-a8f5-9cf87e44a35e&comments=true#comments

first the admin sayd


Chris writes: Saturday, August, 25, 2007 2:36 AM
FYI
Townhall.com has a Terms of Service, Liberty, along with someone else whose nickname I cannot recall, chose to break it, and therefore was banned. End of story. It is none of your concern, nor is it any of your business.

We're not trying to be jerks or anything, but we have to uphold at least a semblance of order.

No offense Douglas, but we don't tell you how to run your business...


but a little bit later :

Chris writes: Saturday, August, 25, 2007 3:06 AM
Liberty
Just out of curiosity, I queried our database to retrieve all of Liberty's comments & blog posts for the past month and after reviewing them, I disagree with Josue's decision on the ban. As I was the one who physically made the ban (at Josue's request, as he was unable to due to an error), I am going to undo it pending further discussion with Josue & Matt Lewis on Monday.

I hope you all can see that we are at the very least reasonable.

so i'd say liberty and doug won !! now we should express our appreciation to influence the "pending further discussion" positivly (even if the restoration of the blog is a matter of course, but being nice to admins is never wrong ;) )

[acptulsa]

Old gold!

I miss theconservativevoice.com. I was not at all happy when TownHall took it over. As long as you were respectful, you had a voice there.

You've been fighting a while, LE. Maybe nearly as many decades as me (as a male, it isn't my place to even suggest that you might be old enough to have been doing it longer..;)). I'm glad you're still full of piss and vinegar. We do need the stuff.

My how far we've come in the last year and a half!! The message was so squelched when this thread was started. Wow...

You guys are good.

[Lord Xar]

Old gold!

I miss theconservativevoice.com. I was not at all happy when TownHall took it over. As long as you were respectful, you had a voice there.

You've been fighting a while, LE. Maybe nearly as many decades as me (as a male, it isn't my place to even suggest that you might be old enough to have been doing it longer..;)). I'm glad you're still full of piss and vinegar. We do need the stuff.

My how far we've come in the last year and a half!! The message was so squelched when this thread was started. Wow...

You guys are good.

good find. some of the old threads really give perspective on some great things that took place here.

[acptulsa]

good find. some of the old threads really give perspective on some great things that took place here.

Yeah. I was actually looking for "Hijack this thread!" and stumbled across it.

Hell, Xar, just looking at your name and avatar is enough to give us old hands perspective on some great things that took place here! Did you see my thread today about how NPR actually had someone on to explain that the Fed isn't under control by Congress and just how inflation happens? What were the odds of that happening in August 2007?

Made me feel like smelling the roses. And patting some people like yourself on the back!

Edit: Sure didn't intend to stir up ancient feuds, though...

[ronpaulhawaii]

good find. some of the old threads really give perspective on some great things that took place here.


I bet you'll like this one then

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=3748

:D

[OptionsTrader]

With more friends like you, one doesn't need enemies!

Have fun.

Oh by the way, my answer is "because you are a rude ....."

[Natalie]

Liberty Eagle is a lady!!

[He Who Pawns]

funny that a person who swaggers around this forum threatening to ban anyone who doesn't agree with her views gets.... banned.

what goes around...

[acptulsa]

funny that a person who swaggers around this forum threatening to ban anyone who doesn't agree with her views gets.... banned.

what goes around...

Hm.

You know (and this is not a criticism of the man) I do believe I've seen Cowlesy the Ban Hammer Moderator ban far more people for their views than LE. He has about as much patience with a troll as I have with a fly.

There was a thread MsDoodahs started entitled something like, "To the window, to the wall, to the woodshed with some of y'all". That's basically the type of thing LE does--tries to make us fit to win over, not alienate, people. I say she's misunderstood. If amy31416 could give her half of her magnificent sense of humor, you would all love the woman.

[ronpaulhawaii]

hm.

You know (and this is not a criticism of the man) i do believe i've seen cowlesy the ban hammer moderator ban far more people for their views than le. He has about as much patience with a troll as i have with a fly.

There was a thread msdoodahs started entitled something like, "to the window, to the wall, to the woodshed with some of y'all". That's basically the type of thing le does--tries to make us fit to win over, not alienate, people. i say she's misunderstood. If amy31416 could give her half of her magnificent sense of humor, you would all love the woman.

+1776

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

funny that a person who swaggers around this forum threatening to ban anyone who doesn't agree with her views gets.... banned.

what goes around...

If the forum guidelines allowed me to call you all kinds of names I would.

You can insert them <here>.

I saved your ass from being banned the other night for behavior that violated the Forum Guidelines. Now you go and act like a <here> because you think you were right. Of course, I'm sure you read this whole thread, too,..... right?? :rolleyes:

You're on your own.

*edit: Thanks Sandra :)

[Sandra]

If the forum guidelines allowed me to call you all kinds of names I would.

You can insert them <here>.

I saved your ass from being banned the other night for behavior that violated the Forum Guidelines. Now you go and act like a douchebag because you think you were right. Of course, I'm sure you read this whole thread, too,..... right?? :rolleyes:

You're on your own.


And.... you did it anyway. Besides, that name is only to be used on one certain member of this forum. :D

[pcosmar]

Hm.

You know (and this is not a criticism of the man) I do believe I've seen Cowlesy the Ban Hammer Moderator ban far more people for their views than LE. He has about as much patience with a troll as I have with a fly.

There was a thread MsDoodahs started entitled something like, "To the window, to the wall, to the woodshed with some of y'all". That's basically the type of thing LE does--tries to make us fit to win over, not alienate, people. I say she's misunderstood. If amy31416 could give her half of her magnificent sense of humor, you would all love the woman.

I remember that one:D

[Anti Federalist]

Holy Vampire Thread, Batman!!

[angelatc]

More like zombies.

I always get depressed when I see the old threads because I miss the people that used to post here.

[angelatc]

I bet you'll like this one then

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=3748

:D

That was awesome.

[He Who Pawns]

If the forum guidelines allowed me to call you all kinds of names I would.

You can insert them <here>.

I saved your ass from being banned the other night for behavior that violated the Forum Guidelines. Now you go and act like a <here> because you think you were right. Of course, I'm sure you read this whole thread, too,..... right?? :rolleyes:

You're on your own.


The only thing you may have saved was LE's job as a moderator.

[NerveShocker]

Please, don't be, just chalk it up to the fact that they have a sense of humor and at least be glad for that. They don't know what you went through, and neither do I for that matter although I can guess some.

After some time has passed, please let us know some details.


lynnf

I'm a bit confused who was attacking LibertyEagle? I did see 1 person call her a troll and other than that a couple people mistaking her gender.. Am I missing something because it seems LibertyEagle is pissed at RPF as a whole.. ;(

Well I have no problem with you Liberty, I hope. :o

[FrankRep]

Alert the internets!!

[LibertyEagle]

I'm a bit confused who was attacking LibertyEagle? I did see 1 person call her a troll and other than that a couple people mistaking her gender.. Am I missing something because it seems LibertyEagle is pissed at RPF as a whole.. ;(

Well I have no problem with you Liberty, I hope. :o

NS, this was a very old thread that AcpTulsa bumped. It wasn't the only thread on the topic that was going at the time, so, you're missing out on some other comments. Once people really understood what had really transpired, as I recall, a lot were supportive. Anyway, that's the way I remember it. Regardless, this is all very old water under the bridge.

Note: I just reread your post and I'm thinkin' you may not have realized what the whole deal was about. I used to post a lot on Townhall, which was the largest Republican website out there. Douglass (the OP) of this thread, had the #1 blog on Townhall and it was totally about Ron Paul and the Freedom movement. :) Well, a little cabal of haters went after us, I was physically threatened and then banned. However, after they saw the threats made towards me, I was reinstated. When all that was going on, Douglass came over here to garner support, I think because he knew I was upset about the whole deal. At the beginning, some responded not so good and then later, when they really understood, they were quite supportive. At least as I recall. But again, this is all very old water under the bridge. Go up and look at the date of the first post in this thread. :) 8-24-07

[LibertyEagle]

The only thing you may have saved was LE's job as a moderator.

Uh, nope.

For anyone who wants to understand what "He Who Pawns" has his panties in a twist about, you may want to review his thread pitching world government, here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=184422

[JK/SEA]

Interesting thread.

I think this is where we are heading into.

Live long and prosper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets

[Cowlesy]

Uh, nope.

For anyone who wants to understand what "He Who Pawns" has his panties in a twist about, you may want to review his thread pitching world government, here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=184422

Ah wow, I never saw that thread. All I would say is that one world government is the antithesis of freedom and individualism. It is the point where we no longer have any chance of ever having a say in the governance process.

HWP, you should be a bit more careful about saying that someone "saved someone's job" --- all us Mods are volunteers....most of us try not to consider it a job, just helping out (though sometimes people on here make it a job).

And just for a little history lesson here, Before this site was all "Liberty Forest", and before it was "Grassroots support for the Campaign for Liberty", this forum was "Grassroots Support for the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign".

If there is one person here who knows what Ron Paul believes, it's Liberty Eagle, in my opinion. She was instrumental in welcoming new members to the board during the campaign, and facilitating their exposure to Ron Paul's campaign message. I think the ones who would dispute it are the purist anarchists who think we can transition to a pure freedom society where there is no governance and no law. But if you want to know what Ron Paul thinks or believes, LE is a good person to talk to. We may not always agree, but no one needs a set of Mod-Bots always in agreement! :) **though we agree on quite a bit**

[He Who Pawns]

I'm sure LE is a wonderful person, when she's not trying to intimidate people who disagree with her views.

She threatened to ban me because I did not share the majority view here about a world government. This fact alone caused her to threaten me with a ban, which IMO is completely unacceptable. Actually, it's disgraceful. Can you imagine a forum where if you do not share 100% of the views of the majority of forum members, you are banned?

Anyway, what's past is past. She's stopped sending me threatening PMs.. so that's a step in the right direction. :)

[disorderlyvision]

lol

how did you like the ban hammer LE?