If I hear the term Neocon Shill

[brianewart]

If I hear the term "Neocon Shill" used one more time when not actually referring to a neoconservative, I'm going to lose it.

C'mon people. I'm all for freedom of speech, but don't call someone a neocon unless they actually are one.

To be a neocon you have to meet the following requirements:

1) Support interventionist foreign policy.

2) Ignore diplomatic principles.

3) Support/Tolerate "social welfare" spending.

4) Have a revulsion against "counter-culture" but not necessarily because they are social conservatives. (ie, war protests are bad for a neocon because they are anti-establishment)

5) Pro-illegal-immigration/amnesty (but not necessarily in favor of open immigration).\

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Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "neocon shill." If you misuse the term, you strip it of it's meaning.

[ronpaul4ever2008]

The word neo-con is more overused than the word liberal to describe people nowadays. The term neo-con was meant to describe a small group of people. John McCain is not a neo-con despite what most of the forum says. Just because McCain isn't a neo-con doesn't mean he's a good Presidential candidate, because he's not. But let's not overuse the term and make Ron Paul supporters look like even bigger idiots because it reflects on all of us.

[Paul Revered]

The word neo-con is more overused than the word liberal to describe people nowadays. The term neo-con was meant to describe a small group of people. John McCain is not a neo-con despite what most of the forum says. Just because McCain isn't a neo-con doesn't mean he's a good Presidential candidate, because he's not. But let's not overuse the term and make Ron Paul supporters look like even bigger idiots because it reflects on all of us.Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem to me that defending the second amendment, and the Constitution are core concerns of the Conservative. McCain fails in this area. Nixon started the most serious assault on my 2nd amendment rights. Nixon also killed the gold standard. I would say that the neo-conservative (liberal) shift, had it's greatest surge during the Nixon administration; and has been rapidly expanding ever since.

[Paul Revered]

Neo-Con = Liberal

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

5) Pro-illegal-immigration/amnesty (but not necessarily in favor of open immigration).\uhhhh.

I know McCain is a major outlier here, but that has more to do with the fact that people are blindly supporting their "party candidate" at the cost of their principles. Disgust for illegal immigration was a big help for getting Tancredo and Romney into the spotlight, and has also been used by the Paul campaign to soak up otherwise feisty (neo)converts.

Also, equating them with liberals seems somewhat disingenuous. What might appear to be economically-left tendencies stems more from corporate cronyism than anything else. I'd define a Neocon as an adherent of the caustic mixture of social conservatism, elitism, and one who incorporates the darker sides of both capitalism and socialism into a singular mix. Bobby K Jr. described their intent as "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor", although I think it's the other way around.

[speciallyblend]

your a neo-con shill ,when you brown nose the bush admin and that adds alot of republicans/democrats to the list who are neo-con shills in my eyes ,you sleep with the enemy you get called a neo-con shill...

[speciallyblend]

The word neo-con is more overused than the word liberal to describe people nowadays. The term neo-con was meant to describe a small group of people. John McCain is not a neo-con despite what most of the forum says. Just because McCain isn't a neo-con doesn't mean he's a good Presidential candidate, because he's not. But let's not overuse the term and make Ron Paul supporters look like even bigger idiots because it reflects on all of us.

I'm sorry i disagree, mccain is a neo-con. He endorses everything a neo-con eats and shits, he is the corn kernel in the shit.

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul's speech called "Neoconned", outlines exactly who the neocons are, in case anyone hasn't heard it. It's on Google video.

Note: Not every big government type in the Republican party is a neocon. The old school one-worlders (Rockefeller-Republicans) were a part of the Republican Party, long before the neocons came into the picture.

[Chamdar]

One person online accused me of being a neocon simply because I disagreed with a LewRockwell.com column that claimed that the public hatred for Paris Hilton was just based on class envy. Go figure.

[Ozwest]

If I hear the term "Neocon Shill" used one more time when not actually referring to a neoconservative, I'm going to lose it.

C'mon people. I'm all for freedom of speech, but don't call someone a neocon unless they actually are one.

To be a neocon you have to meet the following requirements:

1) Support interventionist foreign policy.

2) Ignore diplomatic principles.

3) Support/Tolerate "social welfare" spending.

4) Have a revulsion against "counter-culture" but not necessarily because they are social conservatives. (ie, war protests are bad for a neocon because they are anti-establishment)

5) Pro-illegal-immigration/amnesty (but not necessarily in favor of open immigration).\

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Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "neocon shill." If you misuse the term, you strip it of it's meaning.

Drama Queen.

Don't take yourself so seriously.

Debate and learn.

[RideTheDirt]

One person online accused me of being a neocon simply because I disagreed with a LewRockwell.com column that claimed that the public hatred for Paris Hilton was just based on class envy. Go figure.
Where?...certainly not here w/ your only post being this one.

[rajibo]

As long as we're talking about overused terms, people should quit saying 'sheeple'. Seriously, just stop.

It's annoying and doesn't help win any converts.

[Ozwest]

One person online accused me of being a neocon simply because I disagreed with a LewRockwell.com column that claimed that the public hatred for Paris Hilton was just based on class envy. Go figure.

How shattering.

I have pubic envy for Paris Hilton.

Go figure.:confused:

[Chamdar]

Where?...certainly not here w/ your only post being this one.

It was at a Livejournal libertarian community. Maybe that could explain it.

Considering that I don't agree with the Iraq war, the PATRIOT Act, or the most of the Bush administration's policies in general, I thought the accusation was particularly hilarious.

[Ozwest]

As long as we're talking about overused terms, people should quit saying 'sheeple'. Seriously, just stop.

It's annoying and doesn't help win any converts.

Would you rather be called a "ewe?"

[Jeremy]

Ya, people who call Bob Barr a neocon have CROSSED THE LINE

[Ozwest]

Do you need a license to be a neo-con?

[kathy88]

Neo-Con = Liberal

lmao

[libertarian4321]

The term has evolved- and is far different than its original meaning (the term was coined long before Bush came into power).

It seems that the definition most people follow today is nothing more than an "conservative" who supports Bush's "shoot first" version of interventionist foreign policy.

John McWar is certainly a neocon by that standard.

[dannno]

THE ANSWER


If I hear the term "Neocon Shill" used one more time when not actually referring to a neoconservative, I'm going to lose it.

C'mon people. I'm all for freedom of speech, but don't call someone a neocon unless they actually are one.

To be a neocon you have to meet the following requirements:

1) Support interventionist foreign policy.

2) Ignore diplomatic principles.

3) Support/Tolerate "social welfare" spending.

4) Have a revulsion against "counter-culture" but not necessarily because they are social conservatives. (ie, war protests are bad for a neocon because they are anti-establishment)

5) Pro-illegal-immigration/amnesty (but not necessarily in favor of open immigration).\

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Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "neocon shill." If you misuse the term, you strip it of it's meaning.

Dududududude... seriously.. first let us define what a "shill" is so that everybody can understand why they might call someone that who appears to espouse Ron Paul's beliefs.


"A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. In the UK the term plant is also used."


-Wikipedia



OK, so it doesn't matter if somebody says they believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy, because they could be here to make people think they support Ron Paul and his beliefs then ultimately cause divisiveness and put out misinformation.


I'm not advocating calling people names, I'm just saying that when somebody says that, they are saying that you are not here for the revolution and you are here to put out misinformation or cause divisiveness. It is not a misnomer, though it probably is often exaggerated and/or overused.