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anonymous6728
05-28-2008, 11:07 PM
Ron Paul's most accessible media platform, Infowars, featured an old speech of Ron's with anti-semitic pictures inserted throughout the clip. The video is also featured on YouTube and is featured on a White supremacist AresXIV's channel.

Though Infowars was contacted about the racist content of the video, it still was on the main feature rotation for 2 days and is still available in the Ron Paul section on the front page.

Some might say it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody seemed to notice; nobody seemed to care. Unless AresXIV is on Ron's PR team (doubtful), it shouldn't be there.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2170

Danke
05-28-2008, 11:17 PM
Ron Paul's most accessible media platform, Infowars, featured an old speech of Ron's with anti-semitic pictures inserted throughout the clip. The video is also featured on YouTube and is featured on a White supremacist AresXIV's channel.

Though Infowars was contacted about the racist content of the video, it still was on the main feature rotation for 2 days and is still available in the Ron Paul section on the front page.

Some might say it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody seemed to notice; nobody seemed to care. Unless AresXIV is on Ron's PR team (doubtful), it shouldn't be there.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2170

So by your words, Ron Paul speech has a "racist content" Yes or No?

Also, what is the "anti-semitic" message in the link you provided?

Please enlighten us.

anonymous6728
05-29-2008, 01:48 AM
No, I'm saying someone with a boner for Jews inserted his own Jewish conspiracy pictures to accompany Ron's speech. Watch the link and count the Jewish conspiracy pictures and Stars of David that are in no way implied by Ron's speech.

People that accept the Jewish conspiracy as fact didn't even comment on it. Infowars accepted the video as Ron's. I let Infowars know what happened after a senior member on this site clued me in and I tracked it down on YouTube.

If you watch the clip you'll see what I mean, I hope.

Minestra di pomodoro
05-29-2008, 02:39 AM
"most accessible media platform"? says who?

Perry
05-29-2008, 04:24 AM
Ron Paul's most accessible media platform, Infowars, featured an old speech of Ron's with anti-semitic pictures inserted throughout the clip. The video is also featured on YouTube and is featured on a White supremacist AresXIV's channel.

Though Infowars was contacted about the racist content of the video, it still was on the main feature rotation for 2 days and is still available in the Ron Paul section on the front page.

Some might say it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody seemed to notice; nobody seemed to care. Unless AresXIV is on Ron's PR team (doubtful), it shouldn't be there.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2170

You are right. What a disgusting way to use Ron Paul. Probably it will be removed fairly quickly. I don't believe Alex is a bigot. Probably just doesn't get too view all the content on his site.

sratiug
05-29-2008, 05:07 AM
Ron Paul's most accessible media platform, Infowars, featured an old speech of Ron's with anti-semitic pictures inserted throughout the clip. The video is also featured on YouTube and is featured on a White supremacist AresXIV's channel.

Though Infowars was contacted about the racist content of the video, it still was on the main feature rotation for 2 days and is still available in the Ron Paul section on the front page.

Some might say it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody seemed to notice; nobody seemed to care. Unless AresXIV is on Ron's PR team (doubtful), it shouldn't be there.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2170


So you are saying it is racist why? Why is it OK for Zionists (racists) to run our government but it's racist to point out that racists (Zionists) are running our government?

Are these comments after the video wrong?

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Joe Says:

May 19th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Zionists in the Bush-Cheney Administration — The Israeli lobby’s influence on the George Walker Bush (Bush Jr) Administration: appointments of Israeli and Jewish advisors to posts in the White House and Executive Branch:

1. Ari Fleischer Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

2. Richard Perle One of Bush’s Foreign Policy Advisors and chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. He had worked as Bush’s Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson’s office in the 1970’s after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

3. Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Defense Secretary, Bush’s Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor, close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military.

4. Douglas Feith Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), which even attacks Jews who don’t agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith & Zell, which only has one international office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm’s own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith “represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer.” Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

5. Elliott Abrams National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based “Think Tank” Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua’s Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year’s probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration’s State Department.

6. Dov Zekheim Under Secretary of Defense. He was Bush’s Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

7. Richard Haass Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

8. Henry Kissinger One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. For detailed information about Kissinger’s past, read Seymour Hersch’s book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship and reaped investment profits in Yugoslavia. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

9. James Schlesinger One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

10. Robert Zoellick U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

11. Marc Grossman Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

12. Robert Satloff U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

13. Mel Sembler President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

14. Joshua Bolten Bush’s Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.

15. Steve Goldsmith Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush’s Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

16. Daniel Saul Goldin Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration. A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

17. Adam Goldman White House’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

18. Joseph Gildenhorn Bush Campaign’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

19. Christopher Gersten Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised in the Jewish faith.

20. Mark Weinberger Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

21. Samuel Bodman Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

22. Bonnie Cohen Under Secretary of State for Management.

23. Ruth Davis Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

24. Lincoln Bloomfield Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

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Alex Kaye Says:

May 19th, 2008 at 6:07 am
People remember that Zionism is not the same as Judaism, most Jews hate Zionism - they are terrorists and give us a bad name

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Jon Harrell Says:

May 18th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Most of Bush and Co. are dual-citizen zionist Israelis
Chertoff, Pearle, Fleisher,Abramoff, the list goes on. . . . . . .

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Act of State Says:

May 18th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
The tail is wagging the dog

anonymous6728
05-29-2008, 04:06 PM
Let me say this one more time. The speech is RON'S. The pictures are ARESXIV'S.
Ron's speech is a critique of NEO-CONSERVATISM, not ZIONISM.

Neo-conservatism arose after 9/11 and it's central doctrine emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, maintaining that America's role as the world's sole superpower is indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order. Along with Jews, the Christian Right, the CIA, the Military, the police, ultra-conservatives of all races and religions comprise the Neo-Con base.

AresXIV's pictures misrepresent what Ron is talking about. Zionism has a lot in common with Libertarianism. Both believe in self determination, self-government, protection against enemies (foreign and domestic), freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion, etc.

Given the common ground the 2 movements share, Zionism would be more accurately labeled as Libertarianism than Neo-Conservatism. Besides Neo-conservatism, there is one and only one element of Zionism that is contrary to Libertarian doctrine, that being Liberal Zionism--the promotion of Jews and Israel by lobbying the government and infiltrating influential circles in society.

This is what pisses off Americans. They see a bunch of weasels who used Liberal Zionism to monopolize banking, the law and medical societies, the media, entertainment, etc. and influence govt.

Some of these Jews are Neo-Cons; others are just greedy and care little about Israel, America, or even G-d for that matter. However, most Jews are faithful, law-abiding citizens who have every right to call America home and participate in society without being lumped together with the Neo-Cons and the Shysters.

Liberal Zionism has been very successful so far in America, and like Russia and Western Europe, this success hasn't gone unnoticed. The difference is that Russia & W. Europe eventually kicked the Jews out or killed them (Holocaust).

In America, many influential Jews have joined the Neo-Con movement and have used their influence, along with the Christian right, to support the Bush Administration & the Nation of Israel and stand shoulder to shoulder with their fellow Neo-Cons in a mode of hyper-vigilance. This is what Ron Paul is warning America about. To blindly attack all Jews as enemies of America as AresXIV has with his pictures and to associate them directly with Ron Paul's speech distorts Ron's message to the point of communicating racist views, something Ron's words alone did not do.

berrybunches
05-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Neo-conservatism arose after 9/11

Not true, neoconservatism mindset started in the 60's and 70's. The left that did not like the woman and minority and hippie movements and who were pro-Vietnam left the left joined the right. They are socialist interventionist right and have been around long before 9/11.

Ladred
05-30-2008, 09:32 AM
Not true, neoconservatism mindset started in the 60's and 70's. The left that did not like the woman and minority and hippie movements and who were pro-Vietnam left the left joined the right. They are socialist interventionist right and have been around long before 9/11.

True, but they didn't gain power or notoriety until they combined forces with the theocons after father bush's loss, and during the clinton administration. Invasion of the Party Snatchers (http://www.amazon.com/Invasion-Party-Snatchers-Victor-Gold/dp/1402212496/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212161454&sr=1-3) is a decent rendition of what happened, from Victor Gold's viewpoint/opinion. Its an interesting read, and comical too.

DriftWood
05-30-2008, 02:01 PM
Let me say this one more time. The speech is RON'S. The pictures are ARESXIV'S.
Ron's speech is a critique of NEO-CONSERVATISM, not ZIONISM.

Neo-conservatism arose after 9/11 and it's central doctrine emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, maintaining that America's role as the world's sole superpower is indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order. Along with Jews, the Christian Right, the CIA, the Military, the police, ultra-conservatives of all races and religions comprise the Neo-Con base.

AresXIV's pictures misrepresent what Ron is talking about. Zionism has a lot in common with Libertarianism. Both believe in self determination, self-government, protection against enemies (foreign and domestic), freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion, etc.

Given the common ground the 2 movements share, Zionism would be more accurately labeled as Libertarianism than Neo-Conservatism. Besides Neo-conservatism, there is one and only one element of Zionism that is contrary to Libertarian doctrine, that being Liberal Zionism--the promotion of Jews and Israel by lobbying the government and infiltrating influential circles in society.

This is what pisses off Americans. They see a bunch of weasels who used Liberal Zionism to monopolize banking, the law and medical societies, the media, entertainment, etc. and influence govt.

Some of these Jews are Neo-Cons; others are just greedy and care little about Israel, America, or even G-d for that matter. However, most Jews are faithful, law-abiding citizens who have every right to call America home and participate in society without being lumped together with the Neo-Cons and the Shysters.

Liberal Zionism has been very successful so far in America, and like Russia and Western Europe, this success hasn't gone unnoticed. The difference is that Russia & W. Europe eventually kicked the Jews out or killed them (Holocaust).

In America, many influential Jews have joined the Neo-Con movement and have used their influence, along with the Christian right, to support the Bush Administration & the Nation of Israel and stand shoulder to shoulder with their fellow Neo-Cons in a mode of hyper-vigilance. This is what Ron Paul is warning America about. To blindly attack all Jews as enemies of America as AresXIV has with his pictures and to associate them directly with Ron Paul's speech distorts Ron's message to the point of communicating racist views, something Ron's words alone did not do.

Yeah, the images of the David star might be a bit tacky.. but I think people should be free to criticize Zionism and Israels policies without being labeled anti-semitic. Zionism is just a political movement and Israels policies are just policies. Even some Jewish people like Noam Chomsky and "Jews against Zionism" are critical of Israels policies and Zionism. So its not a racist thing.

To me Zionism and the policies of Israel seems highly militarily interventionist, nationalistic and religious. Sounds similar to Neo-conservatives to me. I can not see much common ground with libertarianism. Maybe you can explain? In libertarianism people are seen as individuals, not as members of some group. So having a pro-Israel or pro-Jewish lobby in Washington to further the interest of these groups seems like a unlibertarian idea.

Edit: I did some more reading. Post-Zionism, as opposed to traditional Zionism or Neo-Zionism, seems a much more democratic, tolerant, and positive movement for the future of Israel. I hope they take it.

Cheers

Kamran1980
05-30-2008, 06:38 PM
Another whiny wah wah wah thread

sratiug
05-30-2008, 07:14 PM
Let me say this one more time. The speech is RON'S. The pictures are ARESXIV'S.
Ron's speech is a critique of NEO-CONSERVATISM, not ZIONISM.

Neo-conservatism arose after 9/11 and it's central doctrine emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, maintaining that America's role as the world's sole superpower is indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order. Along with Jews, the Christian Right, the CIA, the Military, the police, ultra-conservatives of all races and religions comprise the Neo-Con base.

AresXIV's pictures misrepresent what Ron is talking about. Zionism has a lot in common with Libertarianism. Both believe in self determination, self-government, protection against enemies (foreign and domestic), freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion, etc.

Given the common ground the 2 movements share, Zionism would be more accurately labeled as Libertarianism than Neo-Conservatism. Besides Neo-conservatism, there is one and only one element of Zionism that is contrary to Libertarian doctrine, that being Liberal Zionism--the promotion of Jews and Israel by lobbying the government and infiltrating influential circles in society.

This is what pisses off Americans. They see a bunch of weasels who used Liberal Zionism to monopolize banking, the law and medical societies, the media, entertainment, etc. and influence govt.

Some of these Jews are Neo-Cons; others are just greedy and care little about Israel, America, or even G-d for that matter. However, most Jews are faithful, law-abiding citizens who have every right to call America home and participate in society without being lumped together with the Neo-Cons and the Shysters.

Liberal Zionism has been very successful so far in America, and like Russia and Western Europe, this success hasn't gone unnoticed. The difference is that Russia & W. Europe eventually kicked the Jews out or killed them (Holocaust).

In America, many influential Jews have joined the Neo-Con movement and have used their influence, along with the Christian right, to support the Bush Administration & the Nation of Israel and stand shoulder to shoulder with their fellow Neo-Cons in a mode of hyper-vigilance. This is what Ron Paul is warning America about. To blindly attack all Jews as enemies of America as AresXIV has with his pictures and to associate them directly with Ron Paul's speech distorts Ron's message to the point of communicating racist views, something Ron's words alone did not do.

Part of the problem is the Israeli flag. The star of David is the symbol for Jews and for Israel and thus for Zionism too. Israel should fly some sort of Zionist Nazi flag and then we could criticize Israel and Zionists without being called anti-semitic.

I don't know how anyone can defend Zionism. Let's make up a word for Christians taking over Iraq because we came from there a long time ago and just claim it forever and tell everybody else to burn in hell. What would be the difference? Oh yeah, there's already a word, Neocon.

diesirae
05-30-2008, 08:12 PM
Part of the problem is the Israeli flag. The star of David is the symbol for Jews and for Israel and thus for Zionism too. Israel should fly some sort of Zionist Nazi flag and then we could criticize Israel and Zionists without being called anti-semitic.

I don't know how anyone can defend Zionism. Let's make up a word for Christians taking over Iraq because we came from there a long time ago and just claim it forever and tell everybody else to burn in hell. What would be the difference? Oh yeah, there's already a word, Neocon.

It's called Dominionism.

Kamran1980
05-30-2008, 08:12 PM
Um, 90% if not more of the people Ron Paul is mentioning are Jewish or Zionists, hence the anti-Zionist material associated with that speech.

Look up who the neo-cons really are kthxbye

SeanEdwards
05-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Part of the problem is the Israeli flag. The star of David is the symbol for Jews and for Israel and thus for Zionism too. Israel should fly some sort of Zionist Nazi flag and then we could criticize Israel and Zionists without being called anti-semitic.

I don't know how anyone can defend Zionism. Let's make up a word for Christians taking over Iraq because we came from there a long time ago and just claim it forever and tell everybody else to burn in hell. What would be the difference? Oh yeah, there's already a word, Neocon.

But Christians didn't come from Iraq. And Israel is covered with the archaeological remnants of ancient jewish states and religiously significant sites. So your analogy doesn't make any sense.

I don't particularily care about zionism, but to single zionists out for approbration in a part of the world that has been full of imperialistic conquerors for all of recorded history seems a bit unfair. Why not cry about the muslim imperialists and how they spread Islam by the sword from the Arabian peninusla to Spain?

anonymous6728
05-30-2008, 10:59 PM
http://www.wispluralism.org/kkk.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukAmJQeyAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOtew_VZ-Q
Rock on, Paultards!!!

ronpaul4ever2008
05-31-2008, 07:27 AM
I agree with anonymous here. The pictures of Jewish people and Israel's flag have nothing to do with Paul's speech with is about neo-conservatism. You won't hear Ron Paul spouting on and on about Zionists. Who do you think he is, David Duke? And I think that's anonymous's point. No wonder so many people think Ron Paul supporters are lunatics when they go around spouting about how the Jews have taken over the world. Keep this crap out of discussions about Ron Paul and get rid of the racist pictures on the video! This is America, not Nazi Germany!

sratiug
05-31-2008, 09:50 AM
But Christians didn't come from Iraq. And Israel is covered with the archaeological remnants of ancient jewish states and religiously significant sites. So your analogy doesn't make any sense.

I don't particularily care about zionism, but to single zionists out for approbration in a part of the world that has been full of imperialistic conquerors for all of recorded history seems a bit unfair. Why not cry about the muslim imperialists and how they spread Islam by the sword from the Arabian peninusla to Spain?

Did Jews come from Israel? Christians religious heritage comes straight from Jews that came straight from Iraq, doesn't it? And it's been hundreds of years since the Ottoman empire took over the middle east. So in another 500 years it'll be ok for the Muslims to kill the Israeli Jews and take their land back, but not now? My mother graduated colledge the year Israel was formed. And she is still alive and well. The pain of Israel's violent birth is still felt too strongly to ignore the injustice and pretend it was all roses.

If you don't think Christians should take over Iraq, then maybe we should just invade and take Israel. Do you think Christians have any claim on Israel?

sratiug
05-31-2008, 09:59 AM
I agree with anonymous here. The pictures of Jewish people and Israel's flag have nothing to do with Paul's speech with is about neo-conservatism. You won't hear Ron Paul spouting on and on about Zionists. Who do you think he is, David Duke? And I think that's anonymous's point. No wonder so many people think Ron Paul supporters are lunatics when they go around spouting about how the Jews have taken over the world. Keep this crap out of discussions about Ron Paul and get rid of the racist pictures on the video! This is America, not Nazi Germany!

Maybe it wouldn't if many of the neocons he mentions were not Israeli citizens leading us into wars killing hundreds of thousands of people against the interests of the United States.

Jews and Zionists are not the same. Quit spouting that bullshit. Nobody is disparaging Jews, many of whom are just as opposed to Zionism as me. Lots of Jewish people like me just fine. It's the Zionists that have a problem with me. Fuck the Zionazis.

This forum should be divided along zionist/antizionist lines. Zionazis are living in a fantasy world.

SeanEdwards
05-31-2008, 10:21 AM
Did Jews come from Israel?



I don't know where the hell they came from. But at some point in the past they built some crap there that adherents of their belief think are important to them. No different from any other whackjob bible-thumping freakazoids around the world moaning about the promised land



Christians religious heritage comes straight from Jews that came straight from Iraq, doesn't it?


I thought Christian religious heritage came straight from emperor Constantine's ass when the nicene council dictated exactly what christianity was and was not.



And it's been hundreds of years since the Ottoman empire took over the middle east. So in another 500 years it'll be ok for the Muslims to kill the Israeli Jews and take their land back, but not now?


Questions of morality are irrelevant in a discussion of realpolitik.



My mother graduated colledge the year Israel was formed. And she is still alive and well. The pain of Israel's violent birth is still felt too strongly to ignore the injustice and pretend it was all roses.


Yeah? And there's bible-thumper orthodox jews crying at the wailing wall every damn day over the "pain" of having their temple sacked by the Romans.

Of course there were some innocent arabs/muslims that suffered when Israel was formed, but does that justify making innocent israelis suffer by letting the camel-humpers drive the current israelis into the sea? Do two wrongs make a right? Is a native American justified in killing me, merely because one of my ancestors fucked over one of his ancestors?



If you don't think Christians should take over Iraq, then maybe we should just invade and take Israel. Do you think Christians have any claim on Israel?

I think the entire premise is stupid collectivist crapola.

asgardshill
05-31-2008, 10:55 AM
Is a native American justified in killing me, merely because one of my ancestors fucked over one of his ancestors?

Since I am 1/16 Comanche as well as having ancestors from South Carolina, does that mean that my ancestors fucked over my ancestors? :confused:

SeanEdwards
05-31-2008, 10:58 AM
Since I am 1/16 Comanche as well as having ancestors from South Carolina, does that mean that my ancestors fucked over my ancestors? :confused:

I think that means you have to kill yourself, and then throw a party over your own corpse.