How do we get schools to teach Civics again?

[Knightskye]

Dr. Paul said education was important. Why not go directly to where it's supposed to happen?

Do we join the PTA? Do we run for... god I don't know who decides this stuff.

Do they have elections for Board of Ed. people, or the state Departments of Education?

I think this is something we should do. Bring back Civics classes and make them mandatory, so the future generations learn about the Constitution.

Get to it, grassroots. :)

[Knightskye]

Bump. :D

[porcupine]

If you're outsourcing your children's education to the state, you've lost already. Teach them yourself.

[Knightskye]

If you're outsourcing your children's education to the state, you've lost already. Teach them yourself.

I'm not the parent of the many children who attend public schools. I think changing a state's education curriculum would be easier than changing the minds of millions of parents to homeschool their children. I was going to say "thanks for the suggestion," but it seemed like more of an insult.

[SLSteven]

Start locally and try to get parents to demand it. But I think the public schools are headed in the opposite direction.

[Kludge]

Bah, these classes would turn into nationalist propaganda. God only knows how biased the textbooks of History already are.

[SLSteven]

Bah, these classes would turn into nationalist propaganda. God only knows how biased the textbooks of History already are.

They are more interested in teaching how America has exploited the rest of the world. Robber Barons, Greed, etc.

[Kludge]

They are more interested in teaching how America has exploited the rest of the world. Robber Barons, Greed, etc.

Sure they are.... I hope they're handpicking the teachers and dominate the school board, and continue to do so every year after... Non-Nationalism (Americanism, Patriotism) is not popular in America.

[Nirvikalpa]

You never will - you have to homeschool.

The government does not want your child to be educated.


They expressed concern that Paul’s rallies have attracted multitudes of young people who are getting “their political education."

... from the Trilateral Commission.

[Truth Warrior]

Start a Civics school.

[Czolgosz]

Modifying the school system to teach what you want is the best way to change this nation. Why is it the bulk of sheep today don't even consider the Constitution, personal freedom and responsibilities important?

It's been bred out of them.


So perhaps taking over the U.S. Department of Education would be the best and most effective long term solution to bring back the values we all hold dear.

[micahnelson]

Taking over a federal institution to explain the problems with federal institutions?

[Quantum]

Taking over a federal institution to explain the problems with federal institutions?

Many feel the same way about taking over government. I would prefer neither public school nor government to exist, but they are going to exist so we have to infiltrate both as well as the television media. It takes getting dirty to clean up a disease infested cess pool.

[porcupine]

I'm not the parent of the many children who attend public schools. I think changing a state's education curriculum would be easier than changing the minds of millions of parents to homeschool their children. I was going to say "thanks for the suggestion," but it seemed like more of an insult.

It wasn't meant as one, sorry.

[Leroy_Jenkems]

I've been thinking about a project like this myself....and Dr. Paul is definitely right, education is critical to wake up the masses, young and old. The trick is the marketing of it - we're selling freedom, free of charge by its nature.

It's a step in the right direction, and don't let others who've never tried such an undertaking tell you that it won't work. But perhaps if you tried a 30-minute crash-course seminar, cleverly marketed, it would go over better with school administrators and students alike. They need a semi-brief, energetic and youthful, highly informative presentation that speaks to their experience.

But, perhaps you should start with local colleges first, as the students are more mature and may understand the real-world contexts of the Constitution's concepts/ideas. If such a seminar could be sponsored or done under the banner of a known foundation or PAC, like We the People Foundation, and sponsored by the Political Science clubs on campus, it'd grow from there.

[soapmistress]

A question last week on my 3rd grader's homework:

"Imgine for a moment that everyone stopped paying their taxes. What do you suppose would happen to our government?"

LOLOLOLOL!!! We had a big talk about that one.

[yongrel]

"And that, children, is why we need all 15 departments of the Federal Executive Branch."

[Czolgosz]

Many feel the same way about taking over government. I would prefer neither public school nor government to exist, but they are going to exist so we have to infiltrate both as well as the television media. It takes getting dirty to clean up a disease infested cess pool.


:cool:

[pinkmandy]

I opted my kids out of the system right after my oldest started kindegarten. It can't be fixed anymore than govt can be fixed. The whole system has to be revamped. It's no mistake that many people today think our country was founded as a democracy or that Abe Lincoln was the first President. The unions control the teachers AND the teacher colleges AND have infiltrated state depts of education.

History extbooks are interesting as well. They serve little purpose and are FULL of propaganda. Again, intentionally. I looked through my friend's son's history book (5th grade) and there was one paragraph on George Washington compared to 6 pages on Martin Luther King, Jr. It isn't a matter of slipping in stealth-like and turning the tide. You think changing the GOP is hard work? Try making changes in education. The founders of public education were socialists and they had the stated goal of creating the society we now have.

All of these things are worthy of looking into and it should scare the crap out of you. Public schools are one of the main reasons we have a country full of people who don't know they are losing their rights. The only way to fight them is to force competition and keep your own kids out of public schools. You won't be changing that particular system from the inside- it's locked down tight.

[sratiug]

Don't y'all still have government classes at least in high school? I was wondering if I could get a job teaching a public school government class with a science degree... of couse they'll probably ask me why I'd want to do that.

[countrykidz4freedom]

I think the only way to approach something like this would be to start up independent groups-people could start with their childrens' school friends (or some relatives, and throw a party-wouldn't need to cost a lot-just needs to be fun. I do think it would be best to work with college or at the very least high school age kids because of the way things are already set at this time. What better time to start something like this, with Independence Day coming up?

[Athan]

Well I have been working on planning to develop my own private school since 2005. Because of the Ron Paul Revolution, I have become personally introduced to home schoolers because of our meet up members. I think the Ron Paul meet up members are a great possible way to have my children become educated instead of public school. A lot of them are critical thinkers and are already experienced teachers.

I think our meet up system and members are the source of support we need and personally they were people I was LOOKING for. I am still going to do my private school in the future, but I don't have to worry anymore about having to build it first for my child to have a decent education.

[revolutionman]

Civics
Finance
Economics (not "home economics")
Banking

[mediahasyou]

Become the schools. Be a teacher.

[Knightskye]

Become the schools. Be a teacher.

What if I get like, arrested and tried for teaching logic, like the Scopes Trial? :D

[princessredtights]

I've been collecting some links because one of the things I learned about myself during my participation in the RP Revolution is that I need more civics understanding! :o

Personally, I don't see a public school teaching anything that is not specifically in their annointed curiculim (sp?) - I think it might be done better as an after school "club" - (kind of like Boy Scouts, AWANA etc)

http://ayli.org/


http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/teach/freeResources/EducationalResources/?


http://www.nccs.net/study_courses.html

http://www.constitutionbee.org/user/GuideTop.aspx

http://www.civiced.org/

http://www.youthmeetstruth.org/index.php/summer-camp/class-list

[Knightskye]

I think it might be done better as an after school "club"

That's actually a pretty good idea. We could get the homeschoolers, or Paul supporters who want to get involved in their local school district, to start clubs. Excellent.

[Peace&Freedom]

Hold Civics 'Rallies' or political workshop events where the whole point is to bring whole families out so as to give the children civics info. Ask the families to return for two or three other legs of the presentation, so the material can be better absorbed. Not as good as teaching it in a school setting but gets one out of a legal mess for 'teaching' without the state's blessing.

[KEEF]

Take it for what it is worth, but here is some advise from a teacher. Our curriculum is driven by the economy. For instance, the job market is getting more high-tech and medical; the resulting curriculum is one that is full of more science, math, and technology classes.

So here is a solution that you all already know... we need to elect more Ron Paul-like candidates who are focused on getting our countries economy and dollar back to where it should be. The United States of America should be the model economy but instead we are outsourcing so many of our jobs that students are left with only human service jobs (i.e. teachers, doctors, ect.) that pay good enough to support a family, even still though because of inflation it now takes two incomes to raise a family. With that said, the school's view is that the only way for a graduating student to be marketable is by them having an extensive background in that sort of curriculum that will make them marketable.

Once the economy is back to where it should be, than there will be a shift back to teaching more civics in classrooms hopefully. But one thing that I do notice more and more throughout my profession is a desensitizing of globalization to the students. Students I feel spend more time in school learning about other cultures throughout the world rather than the basic facts on how to act civil in our own country. This seemed to have begun when schools stopped having the students say the Pledge of Allegiance each morning because the school districts were afraid of law suits from people that were offended by the rest of the class standing up for our countries sovereignty. Instead of the United States setting the tone, we are now left pandering to what the world's economy is going to do.

Also, besides an increase in Civics education I would suggest that all students take a course in common sense. Problem solving and thinking for yourself is another thing that seems to be missing in school, if you don't believe me go read a math book that teaches Chicago Style Math. Here it is in a nutshell, instead of learning how to do long division with nothing more than a pencil and paper, student are given multiple ways to solve the division problem "fun". I am sorry but if students are not able to leave school with their feet running they are going to fall flat on their face because the real world isn't going to slow down for them.

[BCR_9er]

I'm going to be a junior in High School and I have to take a mandatory civics class this year. One semester is economics and the other is civics. I'll do my best to educate my fellow students :D

[slothman]

... and make them mandatory
,...
I do think they should be there but not mandatory.
Of course I don't think any subjects should be "forced" or school for that matter.
It could always take the places of gym.
when you are unfit and don't care about sports, e.g. me, civics would be better.
Luckely I know much about it now but back then...

[The_Orlonater]

Well, since I'm technically a "minor" I could ask the Education Board where I live, but I really don't want them to teach me that. I'll only rely on school for math and some science. Nothing else. :D

[LibertyEagle]

Modifying the school system to teach what you want is the best way to change this nation. Why is it the bulk of sheep today don't even consider the Constitution, personal freedom and responsibilities important?

It's been bred out of them.


So perhaps taking over the U.S. Department of Education would be the best and most effective long term solution to bring back the values we all hold dear.

Taking over? No. Getting rid of it entirely. It's not that far out of a concept. Reagan wanted to do that himself and spoke of it often.

In the meantime, getting involved in PTA certainly wouldn't hurt anything. As I understand it, they don't have the clout that they used to, but it certainly gives you a voice. Not enough people do that today.

Personally, I applaud the TS for suggesting we take action. Sitting on our asses hoping that everyone will homeschool and thinking it's a great plan to not do anything until that time, doesn't seem to me like a winning proposition.

Just my 2 cents.

[LibertyEagle]

Is it the Board of Education that selects the course books? If it is, we need to get in there in a bad way.

Ideas? Thoughts?