Trying to convert a mormon and I need serious help

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

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So I have been trying to get a female mormom in my area to come on over to the good side. She was a Romney supporter who now says she supports McCain because Romney dropped out so that McCain could have it so she will obet Romney's wishes. Then she says that she supports McCain because of the Gadianton Robbers. Now I admit I had to go look that up and I really see no connection McCain at all with this. So is there anyone here who is familiar with this who could maybe explain to me how McCain is involved with this and what I could say to her to make her realize that Ron Paul and our revolution is the only hope our Nation has or is this a lost cause? Thanks in advance.

[OptionsTrader]

In all honesty. the most succinct method would be to buy her a copy of Ron Paul's latest book. She's a human first, Mormon second. The book works on all humans.

http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_ts_b_15?ie=UTF8&s=books

[UtahApocalypse]

Start here, its a 3 part series created by a LDS supporter here in Utah:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5flCgGJojIQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK9N2RfWToA
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-QAIwrv34

Then this on the war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za0CGpar09o

And finally the Constitution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cESC0RaVnM

[qh4dotcom]

What I do if someone talks to me about McCain is show them on the spot an anti-McCain video like this one which I have stored in my Iphone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

You could do the same if you have an Ipod

[Fyretrohl]

1 - The advice mentioned...
2 - Pull up Ezra Taft Benson's 'The Proper Role of Government'
3 - Ask her <Don't tell her> if her church leadership teaches her who to vote for or gives her guidelines to look for in a good candidate. If so, then, do those criteria tell her to let Mitt Romney decide for her?
4 - Remind her that the Gadianton Robbers would be against the Constitution. Those who would stand against the Gadianton's would absolutely and completely uphold the Constitution. John McCain is no such person.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Thank you to all of you for your input. I am ashamed to admit that I do not know a tremendous amount about the Mormon faith (this will be a good opportunity to learn). I am going to send her those videos and hopefully it will make a difference.

[frdmrdr]

You can't convert a moron -- If morons were capable of rational thought, they wouldn't be Obama supporters.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you say "Mormon"? You could try secretly replacing his decaf with espresso...

No, that would be cruel.

Never mind.

[wgadget]

Mormons practically worship the Constitution...I'd try that angle as well as give her The Revolution.

[qh4dotcom]

In all honesty. the most succinct method would be to buy her a copy of Ron Paul's latest book. She's a human first, Mormon second. The book works on all humans.

http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_ts_b_15?ie=UTF8&s=books

Good idea...the problem would be getting her to read it...I'm having a hard time convincing my own mother to read it.

[phixion]

Don't bother. This woman has so little respect for your opinion or support in Ron Paul that she cannot even be bothered to research Ron Paul to find out for herself what he's about.

Stop wasting your time. She should be enquiring as to why you support Ron Paul, what he stands for, why you agree, etc.

She doesn't care. End of story.

Pete

[SLSteven]

Mormons love freedom as much as anyone else. We need to keep trying to inform people about the erosions to our freedoms which continue election cycle after cycle.

[qh4dotcom]

Don't bother. This woman has so little respect for your opinion or support in Ron Paul that she cannot even be bothered to research Ron Paul to find out for herself what he's about.

Stop wasting your time. She should be enquiring as to why you support Ron Paul, what he stands for, why you agree, etc.

She doesn't care. End of story.

Pete

Can't hurt to try.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Don't bother. This woman has so little respect for your opinion or support in Ron Paul that she cannot even be bothered to research Ron Paul to find out for herself what he's about.

Stop wasting your time. She should be enquiring as to why you support Ron Paul, what he stands for, why you agree, etc.

She doesn't care. End of story.

Pete


I have felt like this on quite a few occasions with a whole lot of people outside of just this one woman.

I remember preaching to my Mother in law for at least 6 months prior to MD's primary electon. This woman is in her late 50's and has not voted since the first Reagan administration. Every Sunday, our family enjoys a family meal and we sit at the kitchen table for hours and talk about whatever comes to mind, it was at this table that I would speak to her and anyone else who would listen. She would always tell me to save my breath because her vote did not count and every politician was corrupt and that she was sorry that I had been duped by a con artist. I wanted to give up multiple times and even my Wife begged me to give it a rest but I just kept going. The Sunday before our Primary, I pulled into her lane expecting the normal Sunday affair but as I approached the house I was left speechless by a blue "Ron Paul" sticker on the back of her car. I went inside and she looked me dead in the eye and said "you were right and I thank you
. She joined me the day of our primary at my precinct. She stood in the drizzling rain and freezing cold with me for 5 hours passing out campaign literature and holding various signs. Not only did she join but every single one of my in laws who gathered around that table on a weekly basis wound up with Ron Paul stickers on their cars and signs in their yards and they all voted (some for the first time ever) for the good doctor.

Sometimes things do seem like a lost cause and this one is really trying me because I do not the knowledge of the Mormon faith to successfully stage an argument against what she says. I agree, she is willfully ignoring the truth because she believes this is what Romney would want her to do. Her actions are almost a textbook definition of stupidity but our country will not be pulled back on track by just a handfull of dedicated and educated patriots like you can find on these forums. We need every man, woman and child to not only crave liberty and the restoration of of our Constitution but to truly understand why these things are precious and what we will need to do to get back on track. Sorry for the little rant.

[RobAlexander]

***Mods, not sure if this is the right place and I had no idea where to put it so feel free to move if you so desire***

So I have been trying to get a female mormom in my area to come on over to the good side. She was a Romney supporter who now says she supports McCain because Romney dropped out so that McCain could have it so she will obet Romney's wishes. Then she says that she supports McCain because of the Gadianton Robbers. Now I admit I had to go look that up and I really see no connection McCain at all with this. So is there anyone here who is familiar with this who could maybe explain to me how McCain is involved with this and what I could say to her to make her realize that Ron Paul and our revolution is the only hope our Nation has or is this a lost cause? Thanks in advance.

Here is a related message that I have sent to a few fellow Latter-day Saints who have told me that they feel that Al-Qaeda is the modern-day equivalent of the Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon:


I agree that Al-Qaeda has a lot in common with the Gadianton robbers that "were more numerous among the more wicked part of the Lamanites" and "who dwelt upon the mountains" (Hel. 6:18 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/hel/6/18#18); 3 Nephi 1:27,29 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/1/27,29#27)). I also feel there is another group of people nowadays that has a lot in common with the Gadianton robbers that filled the "judgment-seats" and "usurped the power and authority of the land" (Hel. 7:4-5, 25 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/hel/7/4-5,25#4)).

This group is often referred to as neoconservatives (a name they gave themselves) or neocons. I recommend that you read a speech Congressman Ron Paul gave on this subject in the U.S. House of Representatives in July 2003. The speech is titled "Neo-CONNED! (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm)" The neocons include advisers such as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Scooter Libby, and Donald Rumsfeld, who have molded both the foreign and the domestic policies of the George H.W. and George W. Bush administrations.

None of the other 2008 Republican presidential candidates besides Ron Paul talk publicly about the neocons or their organizations, such as the Project for a New American Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) (PNAC) and the American Enterprise Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute) (AEI). Candidate Alan Keyes was an AEI resident scholar and candidate Fred Thompson is an AEI visiting fellow. Other organizations to which many PNAC and AEI supporters belong are the Trilateral Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission), Bilderberg Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group), and Council on Foreign Relations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations) (CFR), whose members include candidates John McCain, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, and Mitt Romney. Candidate Mike Huckabee is not a member but he did speak to the CFR in September.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Jdmyprez,

I admire your dedication; you seem like a person with a lot of passion and concern for the ideas of a Constitutional Republic. Now, getting back to the lady whom you mentioned within your original post, there are a few political resources which might appeal to her faith:

The Constitution--a Heavenly Banner (http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6985) by Ezra Taft Benson, (one of the former presidents and modern-day prophets of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). This speech might also give you some helpful insights into the LDS faith.

An Open Letter to Mormons Regarding Ron Paul (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/ashton2.html) -- An LDS View of War. This letter, written by an LDS Paul supporter, gives evidence against preemptive warfare based on some instances found in the Book of Mormon. (Just for reference, LDS Church members believe the Book of Mormon is a work of Scripture which tells of native peoples living in the Americas from 600 B.C. until some years after the death of Christ. Often, but not always, the "Nephites" are described as righteous while the "Lamanites" are described as being sinful--though sometimes the roles are reversed).

A Mormon Perspective on Mitt Romney Versus Ron Paul (http://www.proconstitution.com/lds_perspective_romney_paul.php) -- An editorial whose title is self-explanatory.

I hope you find these links beneficial, or at least that the information which they contain opens a wider dialogue between you and the church member with whom you are trying to communicate. Please note that there is nothing in the LDS faith which states explicitly that a person has to vote for a limited government, strict constitutionalist candidate; Mormons can be Democrats, too, as well as any other political persuasion. People are just people.

[Black Dude]

Don't bother. This woman has so little respect for your opinion or support in Ron Paul that she cannot even be bothered to research Ron Paul to find out for herself what he's about.

Stop wasting your time. She should be enquiring as to why you support Ron Paul, what he stands for, why you agree, etc.

She doesn't care. End of story.

Pete

She doesn't care because she doesn't know that she should care.