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jcarcinogen
05-22-2008, 09:43 PM
It is obvious that the GOP nominee will be McCain, and in my humble opinion the democratic nominee will win, all things being constant. After watching this recent Obama rally in Oregon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtN3hsITCok&eurl=), Obama emphasizes the usual... 'coming together, a hopeful tomorrow, the common good'. The usual kind of unsubstantial rhetoric, but that may mean that he is willing to compromise.

Should Ron Paul talk to Obama before the conventions and see if Obama is willing to make a concession, or promise if you will, to listen to the concerns Paul has? If we are going to have a democratic president anyway and if it is one that is willing to embrace "the other side of the isle", should Paul try to get a compromise out of him in return for his support or the support of his supporters over third parties and the GOP? (which would make McCain an even greater non-issue).

I don't know what that may be whether it has to do with foreign policy or monetary policy or individual freedom... that would be for Paul and Obama to decide if they could talk.

Paul has ~$4+million on hand. He could buy a one on one meeting with him.

Is this a plausible idea?

newbitech
05-22-2008, 09:46 PM
I see where you are coming from, but really thats just more wishful thinking.

I think Dr. Paul is the kind of person who will send back a portion of that money to all who donated to him. At least I think he would do that before talking to Obama as you suggest.

Leroy_Jenkems
05-22-2008, 09:49 PM
No. Obama is in the big bankers' back pockets, and has been for a while. Too late.

A Ron Paul Rebel
05-22-2008, 09:49 PM
All things won't remain constant! Enough said!

gerryb
05-22-2008, 10:11 PM
It would be interesting if RP convinced Obama to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank if elected President in return for RP running 3rd party.

But, it's not going to happen.

Conza88
05-22-2008, 10:15 PM
Should the NWO follow Ron Paul's policies?

Seriously come on... if you think Obama is any different to the other 3 cfr "i plan to ruin the country" candidates - you're partially brain dead.

newyearsrevolution08
05-22-2008, 10:23 PM
obama is a pos..


there is no reason or need for obama to even want to do that. He would be allowing credibility to Dr. Paul which I believe will not ever be allowed in the mainstream.

The only time obama tried to be inline was when he saw the pull Dr. Paul had but other then that he will throw anyone under the bus just like he did his pastor of 20+ years...... (-;

dirknb@hotmail.com
05-22-2008, 10:27 PM
Obama is a New World Order puppet just the same as Clinton and McCain. They all 3 represent the same people, and Ron Paul is their mortal enemy. What you are suggesting will never happen. Stop kidding yourself.

alaric
05-22-2008, 10:28 PM
It would be interesting if RP convinced Obama to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank if elected President in return for RP running 3rd party.

But, it's not going to happen.

this is an interesting concept: getting a democrat to concede something in return for RP running 3rd party. Don't know what to make of it, but it's interesting anyway:rolleyes:

dirknb@hotmail.com
05-22-2008, 10:30 PM
this is an interesting concept: getting a democrat to concede something in return for RP running 3rd party. Don't know what to make of it, but it's interesting anyway:rolleyes:

It is a delusional thought. Obama works for the owners of the Fed, along with Clinton & McCain.

Luft97
05-22-2008, 10:32 PM
It seems that every so often someone comes up with the NEW idea that Ron Paul should talk/support/be VP for Obama.

No matter how BAD of an idea that is and the reasons are glaring you in the face if you know anything of Obama's policies vs. Ron's policies. I guess it was time to start the cycle again.

Search is your friend.

Anti Federalist
05-22-2008, 10:41 PM
Obama is a New World Order puppet just the same as Clinton and McCain. They all 3 represent the same people, and Ron Paul is their mortal enemy. What you are suggesting will never happen. Stop kidding yourself.


QFT!!

Paulitical Correctness
05-23-2008, 12:22 AM
oh u.

Rhys
05-23-2008, 12:31 AM
beg?

Grandson of Liberty
05-23-2008, 12:31 AM
Obama has no interest in the concept of liberty. But I hear he's big on "change." :rolleyes:

It's the same magic word that won the White House for Bill Clinton.

Unfortunately Ron Paul's "C- word" appears to have too many syllables for the mainstream and the masses to comprehend.

Say it together everyone: Con-sti-tu-tion!

For Liberty!!!

CzargwaR
05-23-2008, 12:48 AM
Talk to him? Sure! In a 1 on 1 debate

Conza88
05-23-2008, 12:58 AM
Talk to him? Sure! In a 1 on 1 debate

Lmao! And by talk to him, you mean educate... ;)

Andrew-Austin
05-23-2008, 01:07 AM
Obama would have to speak with his higher ups about this, to check and see if talking to Paul is in the publics best interest.

jcarcinogen
05-23-2008, 02:11 AM
Yes I also did not ignore Obama saying he "was blushing" when endorsed by Rockefeller (va) etc. I know he is a global socialist, CFR, the whole 9.

So was JFK, the last president to question the Federal Reserve and speak out against 'secret societies being detrimental' to American ideology... so I really don't know because I only know the history written and told to me.

Whats really going to happen if he gets the nomination? McCain will win? I doubt it.

Pure collectivist/NWO puppet president or should RP at least talk to him? He could benefit and so could the republic considering the alternative.

Luft97
05-23-2008, 02:17 AM
Yes I also did not ignore Obama saying he "was blushing" when endorsed by Rockefeller (va) etc. I know he is a global socialist, CFR, the whole 9.

So was JFK, the last president to question the Federal Reserve and speak out against 'secret societies being detrimental' to American ideology... so I really don't know because I only know the history written and told to me.

Whats really going to happen if he gets the nomination? McCain will win? I doubt it.

Pure collectivist/NWO puppet president or should RP at least talk to him? He could benefit and so could the republic considering the alternative.

What would Ron say? "I know there is good in you, I can feel it."

If you think Ron is going to somehow enlighten Obama you are mistaken.

Do you think the Manchurian candidate is going to waiver because Ron Paul gave him a call? :D

jcarcinogen
05-23-2008, 02:32 AM
What would Ron say? "I know there is good in you, I can feel it."

If you think Ron is going to somehow enlighten Obama you are mistaken.

Do you think the Manchurian candidate is going to waiver because Ron Paul gave him a call? :D

Exacty... "What would Ron say?". I don't expect him to be able to change Obama, perhaps nothing would come from a one-on-one meeting. But perhaps he could get him to not just be 'Obama' but make a concession to receive Paul support.

Sorry to be so brief if I need to elaborate on my point I will.

Luft97
05-23-2008, 02:38 AM
Exacty... "What would Ron say?". I don't expect him to be able to change Obama, perhaps nothing would come from a one-on-one meeting. But perhaps he could get him to not just be 'Obama' but make a concession to receive Paul support.

Sorry to be so brief if I need to elaborate on my point I will.

What kind of concession would you think he would or could make? We already have Obama pandering to voters in Florida. Anyone who panders to voters is worthless if you ask me. Heck why not have Ron call old GW Bush up maybe he can talk some sense in to him? :D

jcarcinogen
05-23-2008, 02:46 AM
What kind of concession would you think he would or could make? We already have Obama pandering to voters in Florida. Anyone who panders to voters is worthless if you ask me. Heck why not have Ron call old GW Bush up maybe he can talk some sense in to him? :D

I don't know, perhaps none. But could fruit possibly flower from such a meeting. I realize the polarization.

I myself would like to know Ron Paul had a 'one on one' with Obama before being president and would know that why Paul told me he got out of such a meeting would be sincere.


Have Paul talk to Obama one on one and report back to us.

How much could that cost? He still has campaign money we gave him right?

freelance
05-23-2008, 04:32 AM
Do we really have to explain this over and over again every other day? Are we slow learners here?

newyearsrevolution08
05-23-2008, 05:03 AM
might as well ask "what chance does ron paul have at winning the presidency" as well then....

The good thing about these forums is that there are always new people wanting to at least learn why we are doing what we are doing. It might seem repetitive and odds are will always continue. I will be happier having to keep explaining liberty to people rather then no one wanting to hear about it at all.

No question is a dumb question but like I said before Obama is a p.o.s.....

pcosmar
05-23-2008, 05:04 AM
Oil and water
Fire and Ice
Limited government and Global collectivism
Liberty and Slavery

Ron Paul and Obama
It ain't gonna mix.

dirknb@hotmail.com
05-23-2008, 06:13 AM
Exacty... "What would Ron say?". I don't expect him to be able to change Obama, perhaps nothing would come from a one-on-one meeting. But perhaps he could get him to not just be 'Obama' but make a concession to receive Paul support.

Sorry to be so brief if I need to elaborate on my point I will.

Obama works for the people who wish to abolish the Constitution, crash the dollar to make way for the Amero, pound the world into submission, erase our borders and merge us into a world socialist system and reduce 98% of the population to serfs. He is totally in the pocket of the global elite. The thought of Ron Paul and Obama reaching common ground "for the good of the republic" is nothing but a pipe dream. It will never ever ever ever ever happen. Obama's masters would rather see Ron Paul six feet under. Snap out of it!

jcarcinogen
05-23-2008, 06:34 AM
I plan on being in St Paul in Sept.

I just don't want to pass an opportunity to have any influence on a person that may very well be the next president, despite efforts the right candidates win. It is reported then recorded as truth, it may not be what actually happens... why not have Paul speak to Obama before he is sheathed into the presidency?

jcarcinogen
05-23-2008, 06:40 AM
self edited.

Conza88
05-23-2008, 08:05 AM
Conza, mate... delete this entire thread please.

Lmao. Ok... I'll try :D

FreeTraveler
05-23-2008, 08:25 AM
~~serious Answer~~

no!

OptionsTrader
05-23-2008, 08:39 AM
I don't like Obama one bit, but I do not mind compromise if he is willing to stick to his word, which he might be.

I've always been in favor of a public debate between the 2 as well.

constituent
05-23-2008, 08:45 AM
Obama would have to speak with his higher ups about this, to check and see if talking to Paul is in the publics best interest.

exactly. i can't wait to see what PBS is going to look like under the Obama regime.

constituent
05-23-2008, 08:46 AM
I don't like Obama one bit, but I do not mind compromise if he is willing to stick to his word, which he might be.


shouldn't be hard, he's only got one of 'em.

speciallyblend
05-23-2008, 08:47 AM
McCain is not the nominee until sept 1st. McCain will implode before the convention we hope.

along time before the convention.

Kade
05-23-2008, 08:52 AM
obama is a pos..


there is no reason or need for obama to even want to do that. He would be allowing credibility to Dr. Paul which I believe will not ever be allowed in the mainstream.

The only time obama tried to be inline was when he saw the pull Dr. Paul had but other then that he will throw anyone under the bus just like he did his pastor of 20+ years...... (-;

What an absolutely disingenuous response.

I wish I could say half the things I think and believe about what Obama knows, but instead, let me just ask you this, would someone who was nationally and publicly against the federal reserve have a chance to get elected?

kg0
05-23-2008, 08:55 AM
Answer?

I would NEVER vote for Obama, even if Paul was running as his VP!

goldstandard
05-23-2008, 09:12 AM
I don't know, perhaps none. But could fruit possibly flower from such a meeting. I realize the polarization.

I myself would like to know Ron Paul had a 'one on one' with Obama before being president and would know that why Paul told me he got out of such a meeting would be sincere.


Have Paul talk to Obama one on one and report back to us.

How much could that cost? He still has campaign money we gave him right?

Sorry? You can't be serious about that. Taking campaign money to talk to Obama? :mad:

mmink15
05-23-2008, 09:19 AM
In his latest victory speech Obama said that he and Hilary agree on 90% of the issues(though I'd say 99.9997% is closer), so I think he's more focused on getting her supporters than the "rogue republicans" that are supporting Ron Paul. It seems to me that the ultimate goal of the revolution is to force people to reassess the role of government, and that is the main area in which Dr Paul and Sen Obama disagree most.

Kade
05-23-2008, 09:28 AM
In his latest victory speech Obama said that he and Hilary agree on 90% of the issues(though I'd say 99.9997% is closer), so I think he's more focused on getting her supporters than the "rogue republicans" that are supporting Ron Paul. It seems to me that the ultimate goal of the revolution is to force people to reassess the role of government, and that is the main area in which Dr Paul and Sen Obama disagree most.

Not exactly...

Obama, as he has mentioned in his book and in smaller less known speeches, believe in smaller government ultimately.

Jump on me all you want, but YOU CANNOT GET ELECTED in the Democratic party spouting "less government".

From an interview:


OBAMA: Well, on issues of regulation. I think that back in the '60s and '70s a lot of the way we regulated industry was top-down command and control, we're going to tell businesses exactly how to do things.

And you know, I think that the Republican Party and people who thought about the markets came up with the notion that, "You know what? If you simply set some guidelines, some rules and incentives, for businesses — let them figure out how they're going to, for example, reduce pollution," and a cap and trade system, for example is a smarter way of doing it, controlling pollution, than dictating every single rule that a company has to abide by, which creates a lot of bureaucracy and red tape and oftentimes is less efficient.

I think that on issues of education, I've been very clear about the fact — and sometimes I've gotten in trouble with the teachers' union on this — that we should be experimenting with charter schools. We should be experimenting with different ways of compensating teachers that...

He GOT HAMMERED for those remarks, by every single other person running against him... why do people here seem to ignore the implications of politics, and what is required to get elected?

Look deeper my friends.

steph3n
05-23-2008, 09:32 AM
Ron Paul will talk to anyone I believe, what is it about not talking to people or countries? By saying NO I WONT TALK you are doing the same as Bush he calls it 'appeasement' even if he doesn't have a clue what the word means

I don't think Ron Paul would ever run with Obama, but talk, sure!

Barney
05-23-2008, 09:45 AM
It is obvious that the GOP nominee will be McCain, and in my humble opinion the democratic nominee will win, all things being constant. After watching this recent Obama rally in Oregon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtN3hsITCok&eurl=), Obama emphasizes the usual... 'coming together, a hopeful tomorrow, the common good'. The usual kind of unsubstantial rhetoric, but that may mean that he is willing to compromise.

Should Ron Paul talk to Obama before the conventions and see if Obama is willing to make a concession, or promise if you will, to listen to the concerns Paul has? If we are going to have a democratic president anyway and if it is one that is willing to embrace "the other side of the isle", should Paul try to get a compromise out of him in return for his support or the support of his supporters over third parties and the GOP? (which would make McCain an even greater non-issue).

I don't know what that may be whether it has to do with foreign policy or monetary policy or individual freedom... that would be for Paul and Obama to decide if they could talk.

Paul has ~$4+million on hand. He could buy a one on one meeting with him.

Is this a plausible idea?

1. Dr Paul would gladly talk to anyone and everyone; but I seriously doubt he'll pay to do it.

2. There is very little in common between the two. Obama talks a good talk on Iraq, but he votes entirely opposite. Besides, Dr Paul is a non-interventionist, Obama only wants to tinker and redeploy. On individual freedom,... he voted to renew the Patriot Act. Obama is a socialist, Paul is a free market capitalist. And socialists aren't sympathetic to the ills of fiat currency and the Federal Reserve, their source of funding. What, if anything, about Obama can Dr Paul possibly endorse?

dirknb@hotmail.com
05-23-2008, 10:03 AM
I plan on being in St Paul in Sept.

I just don't want to pass an opportunity to have any influence on a person that may very well be the next president, despite efforts the right candidates win. It is reported then recorded as truth, it may not be what actually happens... why not have Paul speak to Obama before he is sheathed into the presidency?

There is no opportunity to influence him.

JMann
05-23-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't think it is a good idea for our leaders to unconditionally speak with America's enemies. No, Ron Paul shouldn't speak with dumbObama.

JMann
05-23-2008, 10:13 AM
Obama has no interest in the concept of liberty. But I hear he's big on "change." :rolleyes:

It's the same magic word that won the White House for Bill Clinton.

Unfortunately Ron Paul's "C- word" appears to have too many syllables for the mainstream and the masses to comprehend.

Say it together everyone: Con-sti-tu-tion!

For Liberty!!!

Yes he is big on change, he just never mentions he wants to change from Capitalism to Marxism. Now that is real change that democrats can believe in.

*Support Bob Barr

*There is no way in hell DumbO will ever be elected president of the United States. With press sucking him off daily and the fact he has spent 200 million dollars telling people to stop being negative while the entire time ripping Bush and McCain he is behind in Ohio, Michigan, NC and other key swing states by fairly big margins and is only up in PA by 3 or 4 points. Why do you think the 'supers' haven't nominated him? They know there is no way that the most liberal democrat in the senate will win.

*DumbO has lost 7 of the last 10 primary contest since March 1st. That is with 'shivers up the leg' Chris Matthews and his co-conspirators declaring B.O. the winner. He lost two state's by about 40% and will probably lose the last 3 contest. This will give Hill 10 of the last 13 primary wins and some of them by HUGE margins. I know people have joked on here about McCain only getting about 75% of the vote, O! has only been getting about 30%-40% of his party's vote. The man is toast and he is probably the only person the Dem's could nominate that had no chance of winning in November. Nominating candidates that have no chance of winning is something the Dems are very good at.

richardfortherepublic
05-23-2008, 12:16 PM
I dont know how Dr.Paul can influence him to change. He has promised all these Government hand down programs that require a fiat monetary policy to pay for it.

If you look at it that way, there is no way you can influence any "change".

jcarcinogen
06-07-2008, 11:15 AM
Well, I am watching Clinton give a pretty good speech endorsing Obama. It is obvious Obama is going to win against McSame, ~25% of the republican base are voting against McCain.

Obama said he would put Republicans on his cabinet (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-says-hed.html) (like JFK did) to give some type of balance and assurance to others. Those 25% are valuable votes and can be influenced by Paul... Would it not be a bad idea to have Paul talk to him rather than some neocon? I am not saying Paul should get a cabinet position, perhaps his House seat is better... but monetary policy is important and even JFK was opposed to the FED before he was killed.

You guys should not be so close minded and shut out a hypothetical idea on some ideological dream that can't be fulfilled, wake up to reality. The GOP does not care about you and they need to be punished, if we have to have a democratic president, lets not let him be some type of pure socialist and encourage some Paul influence.

Thomas Paine
06-07-2008, 11:22 AM
Barack Hussein Obama is a sock puppet for the NWO who makes McCain actually look conservative by comparison.

SLSteven
06-07-2008, 11:47 AM
Pay no attention to Obama, Ron Paul is our leader!

jcarcinogen
06-07-2008, 11:47 AM
So you'd rather McCain be president? Keating 5, fortunate son, songbird, Feingold-loving old man who doesn't know anything and finds things like this funny?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

http://therealmccain.com/

Like it or not Obama is on course to win. On being a sock-puppet and I do not disagree (wife even a former Chairman of the Chicago branch of the CFR).

Why avoid the question of Paul talking to Obama since he won't be the GOP nominee and won't endorse McCain? You revert to expressing hate of Obama, (nobody here is an Obama supporter)but it's quite probable that he is going to win, just look at the number of democratic vs republican caucus/primary voters (even early on).

Thomas Paine
06-07-2008, 11:54 AM
It's a free country so if Ron Paul wants to talk to Obama, then all the power to him. What I am going to do these next four years is get like minded folks to get involved in local GOP politics so that we can start to transform the GOP from the bottom up back into the conservative organization that it once was.

SLSteven
06-07-2008, 11:59 AM
It's a free country so if Ron Paul wants to talk to Obama, then all the power to him. What I am going to do these next four years is get like minded folks to get involved in local GOP politics so that we can start to transform the GOP from the bottom up back into the conservative organization that it once was.

Sounds like a good plan. It is way too late to try to convince Obama of the failings of socialism.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
06-07-2008, 12:02 PM
nt

SLSteven
06-07-2008, 12:10 PM
There may be a lot of sheep, but the good thing about sheep is that they can be swayed.

Eric21ND
06-07-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm all for it if it helps hurt McCain.