Request For Remedy- Remove Foo As Moderator And Restore The Forums' Freedom

[Revolution9]

I table the motion. Who seconds it?

Best Regards
Randy

[ghemminger]

DOWN wit FOO Down with FOO!!! Restore the democracy Down with FOO!!! You stired up the hornets nest!!! We want Foo!!!

[UtahApocalypse]

Third. Either remove Foo or loose many members.

[Nihilist23]

Please remove foofighter's moderating privileges immediately. Otherwise you will see the traffic to this forum decrease.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

You can't table then second the motion. You could make the motion, get a second and then table it, but that's not what you want to do either. I think you wanted to make the motion, get a second, and then call for discussion.

Whew! Good thing I'm here! :D

[ape]

Third. Either remove Foo or loose many members.

What did foo do to warrant such childish BS?

[Horatio Negersky]

Can him, biased moderation is not moderation and does not fit the job description. Do it by the book or get out of other people's way.
-
Negersky

[Electrostatic]

Don't make this personal, guys... Some people have been mistaken (imo) on how this site can best get involvement... That does not mean that organization in itself is bad, or that you should yell at people for trying to help.. that kind of attitude is poison also.

[kylejack]

Could someone describe his crimes?

[constituent]

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[Marshall]

The guy is only trying to keep threads in their proper section of the forum. Calm down a little. Not everything needs to be in RP News and Discussion. And if everything is, you're gonna lose a lot of important threads to 2nd, 3rd, etc pages because of everything being posted.

[Revolution9]

You can't table then second the motion. You could make the motion, get a second and then table it, but that's not what you want to do either. I think you wanted to make the motion, get a second, and then call for discussion.

Whew! Good thing I'm here! :D

Thanks! hahahaha! I knew I wanted to do something. I am just an old school rock and roller getting all this political syntactical jargon and procedure in order. But now I am learned thanx to you:D

Best Of Regards
Randy

PS.. I see Dr Paul has you on hs front page of friends.. What an honor that must be for you:)

[Sematary]

I think that's a little too much. I just think Foo needs to be aware that certain subjects really NEED to be on the main forum.

[McDermit]

Just tell him to stop moving every other goddamned thread, and we'll be fine.

[Paulitician]

Could someone describe his crimes?
I think people are upset because he's been moving dozens of threads. I think some threads do need to be moved because I see a lot that are not Ron Paul news but I think Foo has taken it too far. Even some Ron Paul news threads are being moved

[Nihilist23]

The guy is only trying to keep threads in their proper section of the forum. Calm down a little. Not everything needs to be in RP News and Discussion. And if everything is, you're gonna lose a lot of important threads to 2nd, 3rd, etc pages because of everything being posted.

Fact: his activity is resulting in important threads getting less attention, and in the long run, will decrease viewership of this forum overall.

Someone else brought up the point that a thread asking for donations was moved and seriously hurt their cause.

What's more important, putting the book on the right shelf so the librarian doesn't get mad, or raising more money for Paul's candidacy?

We all know socialism blows and that's why we are here.

[foofighter20x]

You can't table then second the motion. You could make the motion, get a second and then table it, but that's not what you want to do either. I think you wanted to make the motion, get a second, and then call for discussion.

Whew! Good thing I'm here! :D

Apparently he's not read Robert's Rules of Order. :rolleyes:

[foofighter20x]

Could someone describe his crimes?

Gee, I only started moving threads to where they should have been posted in the first place.

I'm worse than Hitler and Stalin combined! :eek: :rolleyes:

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

PS.. I see Dr Paul has you on hs front page of friends.. What an honor that must be for you:)

Isn't that wild? I've been on the front since he had less than 5,000 friends. I think they're just too busy to change their top friends. LOL

[ODU_Truth]

This issue of moving topics into their proper section is fine. However I just have a particular issue with moving the Liberty Rally Donation post because since it was moved the donations have almost stopped. We are at about $300 but got $200 in the first few hours today. Please at least let this topic be raised back into the general section. It's just to important to dismiss.

Besides that I don't have any issues with Foo.

[kylejack]

I've been complaining about poor categorization for a while, so I guess you can call me proFoo. I see all the usual suspects are here. Now we just need Douglas Bartley to make this thread's suckage complete.

[DjLoTi]

He's only doing what I've been hoping would happen and would have done a long time ago. Change is difficult, but alas, it may be for the better.

[maxmerkel]

what about a "fucking freakin hot stuff" forum - that would be the main forum - obviously.

after a thread calms down a little Foo can satisfy his fetish, and you guys are happy too ?
:D

[ChooseLiberty]

I'm all about the free market, but it's still nice if people line up in the right queue.

Have you ever been in a country where they don't queue up?

[Horatio Negersky]

little Foo can satisfy his fetish, and you guys are happy too ?
:D

LoL hahaha Fooito

puto puto!

[jpa]

I veto the motion.

Foo is cleaning up the cruft!

[LibertyEagle]

This is assinine!

Foo is a good mod.

[r3volution]

do you guys have any i idea how many banners could have been hung and campaign $ raised instead of bitching 300 times about posts being moved ? its not like there being deleted .

geeez , "internet people" sometimes . lol

[foofighter20x]

LoL hahaha Fooito

puto puto!

You'd better call me FOO-ssolini! :p :D

[Revolution9]

This issue of moving topics into their proper section is fine. However I just have a particular issue with moving the Liberty Rally Donation post because since it was moved the donations have almost stopped. We are at about $300 but got $200 in the first few hours today. Please at least let this topic be raised back into the general section. It's just to important to dismiss.

Besides that I don't have any issues with Foo.

He moved mine that was a particular request for a Ron Paul written essay on the states having the abortion issue given back to them to decide. It was on the front forum originally when my son posted it and he went back and could not find it so I posted another to the front page. I needed the quote rather quickly as we have Mastodon on the near side of tipping the fence to play a headliner for an RP all day and evenng fundraiser and an endorsement, having just come off tour with Metallica getting them to even play would be a huge deal for getting RP's name out to people who would like his message and get all whooped up..

But no..some military clown in australia gotta try to outguess my campaign strategy and tactics and deep six my thread so it gets little attention. Thankfully dustanconstantine held a grip on it and found me what I needed. Now maybe i can get that coveted mastodon headline slot filled and possibly an endorsement.

Down with Foo! Down with Foo! Down with Foo! Down with Foo! Down with Foo! Down with Foo!

Best
Randy

[Nefertiti]

The guy is only trying to keep threads in their proper section of the forum. Calm down a little. Not everything needs to be in RP News and Discussion. And if everything is, you're gonna lose a lot of important threads to 2nd, 3rd, etc pages because of everything being posted.

That happened to the Philly rally for a while two days ago.

As I said elsewhere, why are you all wasting your time reading the "news" forum rather than "strategies for success"? Isn't that where the important discussion REALLY should be? Are you all passive supporters of Ron Paul or active ones?

[maxmerkel]

Have you ever been in a country where they don't queue up?

no, but i saw a tv report on the coming olympics in china - and - believe it or not, they (the government) try to teach the chinese how to stand in a queue when getting into a bus or into the stadium - to make an orderly impression on the international press :eek: socialism at its best :D

[Hook]

Hey Scribbler, is that Bush Sr. in your pic?

[Nefertiti]

He moved mine that was a particular request for a Ron Paul written essay on the states having the abortion issue given back to them to decide.

That's "issues" material.

I just want to tell you all a little story about a lesson my 6th grade teacher taught us that I have never forgotten. One day he announced a surprise test. He handed out a piece of paper with a list of instructions on it. We all started following the instructions. They instructed us to do stupid things, like crawl under our desks, beat our chests like gorillas, etc. The entire class was doing these stupid things...that was until we got to the last instruction-Ignore all the above instructions and just stay seated at your desk. We all failed.

You see, we had failed to read the first instruction-Read the entire test before beginning it.

The moral of the story-there are clear descriptions of what belongs in each of the forums here. Read those descriptions and you will realize that most of your posts have no business in the news forum and are better placed elsewhere.

[Nefertiti]

no, but i saw a tv report on the coming olympics in china - and - believe it or not, they (the government) try to teach the chinese how to stand in a queue when getting into a bus or into the stadium - to make an orderly impression on the international press :eek: socialism at its best :D

One would never get anything done if one lined up in Egypt. But the great thing about Egypt is when there is a line, women are allowed to go to the front of it or the person at the window will alternate between men and women, but there are always less of the latter!

[Revolution9]

do you guys have any i idea how many banners could have been hung and campaign $ raised instead of bitching 300 times about posts being moved ? its not like there being deleted .

geeez , "internet people" sometimes . lol

Yeah.. Howabout he moved a thread whle i was atempting to get Ron Paul message about abortion and states jurisdiction. First it was about Ron Paul. It was news that he had made through his previous writings but I had to locate it quickly. The front forum is good for that. Why did I need this so quickly. To nail down Mastodon, whom, if you do not know has had a string of hit albums, top 10 college radio hits and just cam off tour with matallica. They wpuld play but they did not like Dr Pauls stance when the wife of the drummer walked by and said "He is pro life". So wifey got a say but if i got the rational and proof in Ron's words that he would not lord it over at the Federal level and have it be a States Rights issue then they would commit. The outcome of that would have been a giant boost in the 18-25 demographic. So..why did that get moved to General News and Discussion when.

A. It was not generally yakking about abortion
B. It was trying to fnd words and statements issued by Ron Paul
C. The gathering together of the proper sets of words will make for an extremly successful event with 3000-10000 people showing up over the day.

Very poor moderation and a guaranteed board killer if it keeps up.

Restore The Forum To Its Roots!
Randy

[Revolution9]

That's "issues" material.

I don't care about your story. I was looking for a specific Ron Paul statement to get an entertainment act to commit to a fundraiser that they would normally get paid about 50K to do. It was about Ron Paul and campaign events.. Go back to sleep.

Randy

[Revolution9]

That happened to the Philly rally for a while two days ago.

As I said elsewhere, why are you all wasting your time reading the "news" forum rather than "strategies for success"? Isn't that where the important discussion REALLY should be? Are you all passive supporters of Ron Paul or active ones?

Every time i went there every thread was not bolded/marked as read and I will be damned if I am gonna sift through that to see what was read and not. The front page of RP News and Discussions kept me as informed as i needed to be and led me all over the internet.

Randy

[Nihilist23]

I don't care about your story. I was looking for a specific Ron Paul statement to get an entertainment act to commit to a fundraiser that they would normally get paid about 50K to do. It was about Ron Paul and campaign events.. Go back to sleep.

Randy

Winner.

[angelatc]

Shouldn't this thread be in General Politics and Other?

:D :D :D :D :D

[Dustancostine]

The problem is when you need something done (as in getting donations) or need information quickly (such as Rev9) posting in a section with 1 member reading it is not going to help anyone. Isn't that why we are here, is to help each other? If we are able to raise $1000 for rally, or get a name band to endorse RP, isn't that better than having it filed away in the right section? If there are 120 people in a section, that is where you need to post this information.

Also when foo held this mass moving, the forum numbers dropped from 126 to 70 with in 10 minutes. I think Foo in general is a fine mod, but I have no idea what happened today. If this would have been the policy of the board from the beginning that is fine. But to have this forum running this smoothing for a while now and then pull the rug out from everyone is unfair and is going to make some people mad. Heck most of the threads stickied in the "main" section should have been moved by those standards.

I hope everyone starts using the new post tab to alleviate problems, but to move someone's post if it is truly important (such as fundraising, brainstorming ideas, or urgent questions) is counterproductive to electing Ron Paul. Think what this would have done in the middle of Xar's fundraising, or working on spam spartanburg project? So foo please mod in moderation.

Thanks,
Dustan

[r3volution]

Shouldn't this thread be in General Politics and Other?

:D :D :D :D :D


lol . or in the recycle bin .

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Hey Scribbler, is that Bush Sr. in your pic?

Yeah. That's not going to earn me points here, although it's not as if it's Jr. It was at a fundraiser for a Congressman I thought was great, but turned into a warmonger.

[constituent]

really though... josh or bryan... please look into foo's moderation methods (particularly in hot topics whilst you were away). really unbecoming of a moderator and certainly reflected poorly on the whole board. not just his remarks, but need to continue, even egg on very unproductive threads.

IMNSHO

[Roxi]

um did someone ask him to stop, or bring back a particular thread through a PM before posting things like this... if not i think that would have been a better route to go

[FreedomLover]

Hey foo, move this thread to hot topics, it has nothing to do with RP. :cool:

[DjLoTi]

It sucks being a mod.

[kylejack]

The problem is when you need something done (as in getting donations) or need information quickly (such as Rev9) posting in a section with 1 member reading it is not going to help anyone. Isn't that why we are here, is to help each other? If we are able to raise $1000 for rally, or get a name band to endorse RP, isn't that better than having it filed away in the right section? If there are 120 people in a section, that is where you need to post this information.


If people were obeying the damned categories in the first place, all forums would be active and we wouldn't have a problem. So again, I support foo.

[BIG_J]

can this thread get moved to hot topics please.

[acstichter]

The forum shouldn't be named Ron Paul News & Discussion. It should be called Ron Paul News.

There should be a Lounge forum for these stupid discussions. I support FooFighter.

[G-khan]

Leave Foo alone he is for sure one of us and thinking it was best for this site...

We have a lot of fighting to do and lets not waste it on one of our own..

[hard@work]

imho move moderator status to anonymous accounts and have site mods and admins post on normal user accounts.

[G-khan]

The forum shouldn't be named Ron Paul News & Discussion. It should be called Ron Paul News.

There should be a Lounge forum for these stupid discussions. I support FooFighter.


I happen to agree with the good Dr. we should all have some fun at getting him elected.. All work and no play makes you very dull IMO

I think I would mostly hang out in the lounge and enjoy myself... ;):)

[mdh]

imho move moderator status to anonymous accounts and have site mods and admins post on normal user accounts.

I disagree. Transparency is our friends.

[Dustancostine]

If people were obeying the damned categories in the first place, all forums would be active and we wouldn't have a problem. So again, I support foo.

Your right, but that isn't the reality. The reality is that everyone is in one section all the time.

--Dustan

[Bradley in DC]

I disagree. Transparency is our friends.

Only when coupled with accountability--just look at our government!

[mdh]

Only when coupled with accountability--just look at our government!

Well, the mods are already accountable to Josh, which is as it should be I figure.

As far as the government, somebody oughtta do something about that. ;)

[IowaSupport]

Although organization would be nice, and I don't like threads getting buried on the 2nd page, the plea for allowing donation/quick request threads to remain in the popular sections is a valid point. At some point organization falls to reason and the goal of this group - so I say just let people post donation/important threads in the news/discussion, and kick the stradegies and supplies out.

Edit: and this latest flurry of moved posted does seem like power abuse - please stop, foo.

[Bradley in DC]

I second a motion to table this thread. :D

[Roxi]

guys i have been using the new posts button at the top for about 30 minutes now and i had never used it before... this feature is AWESOME!!!! it shows ALL posts in order of when they are posted recent first and u just click on new posts again at the top to go back to the list... not only that but it keeps all of the sections active because you see all the posts from all sections and reply on the actual thread... u dont have to search around for anything or go back 3 pages when u come back from being out of town or anything....


PLEASE check it out before you give up or get mad

[mdh]

I second a motion to table this thread. :D

I motion to shitcan all of these threads... Drama's over, llama's can wander home now.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I think we need a new moderator. Ever heard of the phrase ::: customer is always right? I'd be firing my manager if I had like 90% of the loyal customers tell me they're going elsewhere, but that's just my opinion.

[CJLauderdale4]

Dude, I take a break for a month or two from my RPF addiction, come back, and this is what it is now??

A bunch of people crying over "where's my thread", "I can't find my articles", and "can a moderator" crap!??!?!!?

WTF??!?!

Josh,
Please step in on this. I liked it better when the worst thing we had to worry about was more from SeekLiberty on 9/11. At least that made for interesting fictional reading over some popcorn at 1AM...

[Spirit of '76]

guys i have been using the new posts button at the top for about 30 minutes now and i had never used it before... this feature is AWESOME!!!! it shows ALL posts in order of when they are posted recent first and u just click on new posts again at the top to go back to the list... not only that but it keeps all of the sections active because you see all the posts from all sections and reply on the actual thread... u dont have to search around for anything or go back 3 pages when u come back from being out of town or anything....


Yep. I placed a bookmark button on my menu bar, so I can click the ronpaulforums.com "new posts" button no matter what website I'm currently on. :)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3492/picture6gt6.png

I just click my "RP Forums" button and get every thread that's been updated since the last time I looked.

[Joe Knows]

DOWN wit FOO Down with FOO!!! Restore the democracy Down with FOO!!! You stired up the hornets nest!!! We want Foo!!!

Down with the democracy. Restore the Republic!

[CJLauderdale4]

All I ever hit is New Posts. The only time I go elsewhere is to find specifics and start new threads. Everyday conversation is always easiest on New Posts...

[SeanEdwards]

Personally I'd rather see the jerks with the "sink paul's campaign" agenda removed from these boards. If Foo has earned the ire of these shmucks then he must be doing a good job.

[hard@work]

Personally I'd rather see the jerks with the "sink paul's campaign" agenda removed from these boards. If Foo has earned the ire of these shmucks then he must be doing a good job.

Curious if you would be supportive of controversial discussion without those members?

[kylejack]

I think we need a new moderator. Ever heard of the phrase ::: customer is always right? I'd be firing my manager if I had like 90% of the loyal customers tell me they're going elsewhere, but that's just my opinion.
How much money have you spent at this establishment, Mr. Customer?

[SeanEdwards]

Curious if you would be supportive of controversial discussion without those members?

I gave up on having "discussions" with the truther brigade long ago. Waste of everyone's time.

[kylejack]

Your right, but that isn't the reality. The reality is that everyone is in one section all the time.

--Dustan

Right, and now its time to freaking enforce. Enforcement will beget increased involvement.

[Dustancostine]

Right, and now its time to freaking enforce. Enforcement will beget increased involvement.

Aye Aye President Guliani....;)

[JoshLowry]

Right, and now its time to freaking enforce. Enforcement will beget increased involvement.

We will begin Operation Muzzle tomorrow with the addition of 10 new Blackwater USA hired moderators.

[kylejack]

We will begin Operation Muzzle tomorrow with the addition of 10 new Blackwater USA hired moderators.

Way to go. The signal to noise ratio has been way too high on these boards for a long time and it will be good to see it brought in line.

[hard@work]

I gave up on having "discussions" with the truther brigade long ago. Waste of everyone's time.


I'm starting to agree with you. I'm pretty open to discussion on those topics, if they can chase me away from their side then they've chased away a lot lot lot more people ...

[Bradley in DC]

Since I closed the other related threads, I didn't want Randy to think I was singling him out for special treatment, so I'm closing this too.

However, getting in the last word ;) , I did want to urge everyone to follow Josh's advice from May:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22

With that you'll see how lenient Foo and the rest of the moderators have been:

+ Off-topic posts - Posts that do not relate to the threads intent are subject to being deleted.

+ Topics posted in the wrong sub-forum are subject to being moved or deleted. Please understand the sub-forum division before starting a new topic. Suggestions for new sub-forums are always welcome. Reason: Leads to most effective use of users resources.